:cowboy: Sorry if I am repeating something that might have been here before but, I was just wondering what your favorite NON-John Wayne Western is?

For me it is easy, Winchester 73. James Stewart chasing Stephen McNally through the picture was an awsome work of art. Will Geer was great as Wyatt Earp and it was nice to see some other recognizable faces in the movie as well like: a VERY young Tony Curtis (as a Cavalry Trooper) James Best (as another very young Trooper) Rock Hudson as the Indian Chief, Charles Drake and Dan Duryea.

The character names were interesting ones as well. For instance, I liked McNally's other character name which was Dutch Henry Brown and Dan Duryea had a classic one as well with Waco Johnny Dean. I also thought it a nice twist that Dutch was really Linn McAdams's brother Matthew McAdams.

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Nov 14 2004, 03:26 PM
:cowboy: Sorry if I am repeating something that might have been here before but, I was just wondering what your favorite NON-John Wayne Western is?

As usual, I can't name just one favorite. I have several non-Wayne westerns that are favorites. In no particular order, they are: "Ulzana's Raid", "Monte Walsh", "The Stalking Moon", "Gunfight at OK Corral", "The Gunfighter", "Will Penny", "Culpepper Cattle Company", "Broken Arrow", "Naked Spur" and others. Westerns, per se, are my favorite genre.

Originally posted by Stumpy+Nov 14 2004, 04:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stumpy @ Nov 14 2004, 04:31 PM)</div><!--QuoteBegin-The Ringo Kid@Nov 14 2004, 03:26 PM
:cowboy: Sorry if I am repeating something that might have been here before but, I was just wondering what your favorite NON-John Wayne Western is?

As usual, I can't name just one favorite. I have several non-Wayne westerns that are favorites. In no particular order, they are: "Ulzana's Raid", "Monte Walsh", "The Stalking Moon", "Gunfight at OK Corral", "The Gunfighter", "Will Penny", "Culpepper Cattle Company", "Broken Arrow", "Naked Spur" and others. Westerns, per se, are my favorite genre.
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Upon reflection, I can think of numerous other westerns that would have to be included on my "favorites" list.

"Shane", "The Ox-Bow Incident", "Ride The High Country", "Bandolero", "The Big Country", "Pale Rider", "The Man From Laramie", "The Magnificent Seven", Dances With Wolves", "Open Range", "Jeremiah Johnson", "Tombstone", "Duel In The Sun", "Last Train From Gun Hill", "Union Pacific", "My Darling Clementine", "There Was A Crooked Man", "River of No Return", "Western Union", "The Bravados", "The Unforgiven (1960)", "Quigley Down Under", "Tom Horn", "3:10 to Yuma", "Lonesome Dove", "Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid" and "The Outlaw Josey Wales".

Well, you did ask. (HA)

I must agree with others, I don't have just "one" favorite non Duke western. I have several. From the golden era(1970 and earlier) there is High Noon, The Magnificent Seven, Winchester 73, Once Upon A Time In The West, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, 3:10 to Yuma, just to name a few.
And from the newer era( 1970 to present) The Outlaw Josey Wales, Silverado, Quigley Down Under, Dances With Wolves, Tombstone, and Open Range. Its hard to pinpoint just one.

Hi

When you look at the previous lists it just goes to show how popular the western genre was, and hopefully may be again.

Certainly my list would include Winchester 73, The Gunfight At The OK Corrall, The Magnificent Seven, Ride Clear of Diabalo with Audie Murphy and Dan Duyrea (The best of both Worlds) and the films father Destry with James Stewart and La Dietrich) also a lot of the old cavary pictures with Jeff Chandler and Ronald Reagan, and then you have to include Randolph Scott and Glenn Ford. And not forgetting Gregory Peck.

Perhaps it might have been easier to ask which westerns didn't you like, but then you start another list.
Red Garters, Lust in the Dust (sorry Duel in the Sun), The Oklahoma Kid

oh my.


Regards

Arthur

I think my favorite is Shane.

I think my picks would be Broken Arrow, Shane, Drumbeat, Winchester 73, Duel in the Sun and My Darling Clementine!!! I think these films kind-of Date me. Chilibill :cowboy:

Oh and "High Noon" a great film with the Coop!!!

:cowboy: Hi Stumpy, Viper, Arthur, Jen, Mr. Brooks.

Heh heh, I knew it was a hard question to answer and I can see why. The movies listed were all excellent choices and reminded me of many others. Two others I have to add as favorites of mine are: Arrowhead w/ Charlton Heston, Brian Kieth and Walter (Jack) Palance & The Last Outpost w/ Ronald Wilson Reagan, Bruce Bennett and Hugh Beaumont (Ward Cleaver of Leave It To Beaver fame)

Heh, I just thought of another possible stumper for you all which I will do as a seperate post.

Best regards--TRK.

Mine would be Shane, High Noon and The good the bad and the ugly.

A special mention also to The Magnificent seven while its not as good as the above movies its a lot of fun and iconic in its own right.

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I like so many Westerns that it's tough to just choose one, especially when it has to be a non-Duke Western! I'll just name a few:

Bend of the River-- Plus every other Anthony Mann/James Stewart collaboration!

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral-- First time I ever saw Burt Lancaster, I was 13 and he impressed the heck out of me! So much authority in the way he moved and acted.

The Outlaw Josey Wales-- Quotable from start to finish.

High Noon-- A classic in every way, even if it is a bit "creaky" at times.

Man Without A Star-- Little-known Kirk Douglas Western with ichard Boone as a great bad guy.

Originally posted by Cole Thornton@Nov 15 2004, 11:15 PM
First time I ever saw Burt Lancaster, I was 13 and he impressed the heck out of me!* So much authority in the way he moved and acted.

I too thought Burt was great - he was right up near the top of my favorite actor list. In fact, I just realized I forgot to put another western starring Burt in my favorite western list and that was "Lawman".

as i have been told by some it is classed as a western then my pick will have to man from snowy river just have to support our movie makers :P
cheers smokey

Hi

I liked Burt Lancaster particulary in Vera Cruz with Gary Cooper, and in the Hallalujah Trail which although it was a piece of nonsense it did show Lancaster off as a good comedy actor.


Regards

Arthur

This is too difficult for just one, but I will list three:


Duel in the Sun, My Darling Clementine, and The Westerner with Gary Cooper and Walter Brennan. I think Walter Brennan won an Oscar and he deserved it.

Ride the High Country. I've read that Wayne wanted to be in this film but Peckinpagh wouldn't cast him because no actor was his equal and the two leads needed to be on a par as were Joel McRae and Randolph Scott.

:cowboy: Great choices.

I'll say this as my own opinion. I bet Peckinpah did not use John Wayne in that movie probably because Peckinpah figured he would not be able to bully The Duke. Don't get me wrong, I love some of Peckinpahs works like: The Wild Bunch, Cross Of Iron and Major Dundee--which I wish they would release Dundee on DVD so I can see it again.

Lets see..how about

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
The Magnificent Seven
Silverado
Tombstone
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Lonesome Dove
Winchester '73

:cowboy: Greetings Phantom Stranger and welcome to these forums. Of your good list, Winchester 73 is my favorite. Best regards--TRK.

Hello All -

Besides many of those mentioned in the other posts on this subject, one of my favorite non-Wayne westerns would be "The Professionals." Not only is it a good character study of the protagonists, but also a rip-roaring actioner. Lee Marvin and Burt Lancaster play well off one another, while Jack Palance is no slouch either. And who can forget Claudia Cardinale as the requiste eye candy.

Cheers - Jay :rolleyes:

:cowboy: I had forgotten about that one. Geeeze it's been many years since I last saw that movie. Is this one that also has Robert Ryan in it?

Hi Ringo -

That's the one - it also had Woody Strode and Ralph Bellamy in the cast. One well conceived and executed picture.

Cheers - Jay :D

:cowboy: Thanks Jay, now I remember some of it. I think Ralph Bellamy tried to order Lee Marvin or someone to kill the person who "kidnapped" his wife but the person he ordered to kill refused because he found he had respect for this person.

Been too long since I last saw it. When it comes to DVD it's another I will have to have.

Well, not much on TV tonight so I guess I will be wathcing Arrowhead again tonight. :D

Hi

If I remember it right when Lee Marvin lets Jack Palance go Ralph Bellamy turns round and says You B*****d. Marvin replies Yes but mine is an act of birth, but you are a self made man.

I though it was quite a good moment.

Regards

Arthur

Sometime check out "AMBUSH" with Robert Taylor. It's not on TV very much but worth watching..
Also for a war movie "BATTLEGROUND" with Van Johnson and others...

Originally posted by Harold@Jan 26 2005, 07:24 PM
Also for a war movie "BATTLEGROUND" with Van Johnson and others...

"Battleground" was always one of my favorite WW2 movies. (I have it on DVD) I liked the ending when the platoon was marching our of Bastogne, James Whitmore was hobbling along on his frost-bitten feet but the troops were all in step, and the music segued into the "Jodie" cadence.

:cowboy: Thanks Arthur, I also remember that great line.

Harold, I have seen Ambush and agree it also is a great western.

I also agree with you and Stumpy that Battleground is a great war film. On AMC today, they played a badly butchered version of Battle of the Bulge, which is a great film as well.

Oh and, it is supposed to be released on DVD soon, and hopefully uncut.

I purchased "Battleground" when it was released. I too enjoyed that movie. Very well acted and written. The scene that sticks out the most to me is when the grunts are walking through the woods and they have to hide in the snow banks and trees. One of the guys gets killed when a german patrol shows up and after they shoot it out, the US guys just leave him there, nothing they could do but keep going on, just makes the realities of war more apparent.

Also, Battle of the Bulge, that is the one with Henry Fonda, correct? If so, it will be released sometime 1st part of the year if I remember correctly.

Another good line from "The Professionals" -

Claudia Cardinale tells Burt Lancaster to "go to Hell!" - Lancaster replies, "Yes ma'am, I'm on my way."

Cheers - Jay - :rolleyes:

I have “BATTLEGROUND” on DVD. I like all of the innuendoes such as almost getting into the short arm line (raincoat), gathering Christmas greetings, like take a leap on a flying doughnut, etc. Viper is right it makes realistic.
I copied "AMBUSH" on VHS from TV but trying to find it on DVD...

Originally posted by Jay J. Foraker@Jan 27 2005, 11:14 AM
Another good line from "The Professionals" -

Claudia Cardinale tells Burt Lancaster to "go to Hell!" - Lancaster replies, "Yes ma'am, I'm on my way."

Cheers* -* Jay* - :rolleyes:
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I read this morning that "The Professionals" SE version will be released shortly. Lancaster, Marvin, Palance and Ryan are all favories of mine but I just didn't much care for that movie so I won't be buying it unless I can find it in the bargain bin at Walmart.

Hi Stumpy -

Each to his own opinion, of course. I remember seeing "The Professionals" at the theater when it was first released. Since then, every time I have seen it, I have gained admiration for this movie.
That last line is a gem, and Lee Marvin delivers it so well.
It is currently being shown frequently on the Western Channel, for those of you who get it.

Cheers - Jay :)

Originally posted by Jay J. Foraker@Jan 27 2005, 05:40 PM
Each to his own opinion, of course.*


That's true, Jay. Taste is subjective. For instance, I didn't like "The Wild Bunch" either and yet it's rated by most critics as the best Western ever made. I didn't care for any of Clint's "spaghetti" Westerns and over the years, they've become cult classics. Same for his Oscar winner "Unforgiven". It's rated very highly by most people but I wasn't all that impressed. I liked the original "Unforgiven" with Burt Lancaster, Audie Murphy and Audrey Hepburn better. Or maybe over the years, I became so accustomed to the formulaic John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart Westerns that others didn't appeal to me. Maybe I just have weird tastes. :lol:

:cowboy: Hi Viper, yep, Henry Fonda was in Battle of the Bulge as Lt. Col. Kiley. Dana Andrews was a Col and was Kiley;s superior. Robert Ryan was a 2 star General. Charles Bronson was an infantry Major, Telly Savalas was Sergeant Guffy, the Chaffee tank commander, Ty Hardin was the German Commando how was posing as the American MP Lieutenant. Robert Shaw was the German Panzer Brigade Commander--Col. Hessler, his 2nd in command, the man who commanded the attached Infantry Battalion was Karl-Otto Alberty as Major Dieple, George Montgomery was the Sergeant who got captured because of James MacArthur (the young American Lieutenant) and was murdered along with the 80++ other Americans at Malmedy, Hans-Christian Bleth was the German Sergeant who was Hesslers Batman, and Piere Angeli was Guffy's business partner.

Battleground had a lot of realism in it because most or all of the extras were actual "Screaming Eagles" who fought at Bastogne.

Lets see, I remember George Murphy was in the movie as Pop Stazak, Ricardo Montalban was Rodrigues, Richard Jaeckel was Pvt. Bettis, Marshal Thompson was the young replacement, Van Johnson was Pfc. Holley, Herbert Anderson as ???, Douglas Fowley as Kipp Kippton, James Arness as another young private and James Whitmore Sr. as Sergeant Kenne.

My favorite NON-John Wayne Western?

Open Range. Just a GREAT movie, and when you watch the "making of" feature you can see just what a labor of love that movie was - and what a challenge it was just getting it made!

CLOSE behind that one would be movies like Winchester '73, Warlock (another great, but largely forgotten western), Tombstone, The Magnificent Seven, The Man From Laramie, The Good The Bad and The Ugly, and.... aww, hell - I could just go on and on and on and on....

I have become a Western FANATIC! (And John Wayne was a big contributing factor in my becoming a Western fanatic....)

Another non-Duke western to be noted: "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid."
Its somewhat off-beat approach to the western genre grabbed movie-goers' fancy and made it a hit. The photography added to the enjoyment of this picture.

Cheers - Jay :)

Tombstone, Pale Rider, Open Range, The Good the Bad and the Ugly and I could keep going, but I won't.

I would have to say that my all time favorite non-john wayne western would have to be either Tombstone or Shenendoah?(not quite sure on the spelling...Jimmy Stewart was the star).

I would have to say "Broken Arrow" with Jimmy Stewart, Jeff Chandler and Debra Paget! Jimmy was a real Gentle Man and a Great Actor, And I can go out the front door and see were they shot the film. Chilibill :cowboy:

Hi

For me Winchester 73, and Gunfight at the OK Corral

The casting of Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster as Wyatt and Doc with a brilliant supporting cast is very good.

Also another good Earp film My Darling Clementine a memorable film from Ford and Fonda, again with a memorable supporting cast.


Regards

Arthur

You know if I had to pick a single non-John Wayne western movie, I'd have to say The Man From Laramie with Jimmy Stewart. That is definitely a classic. For a modern one, I'd pick Open Range with Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall. Not a Costner fan but that was an excellent movie. But the #1 is the Stewart flick.

Cheers B)

:cowboy: Some great choices I had not thought about.

Also, did you know that My Darling Clementine is now on DVD? I saw it for sale at Best Buy a few days ago.

Ringo,

Yes I know about the DVD My Darling Clemetine. It is great and I have it in my collection. The extras are really good. You can go to Topic (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=522&hl=Clementine), and read about our discussion about this movie.

Hope this helps in your decision.

Cheers B)

:cowboy: Hi Hondo, I agree with what was said in the link you provided. It's simply a great film. I will be buying a copy with in a few months. I would this month but I already placed a $40.00 for some dvds.

Hogan's Heroes 1st season for appx $27.00 and Titanic (1953) for $9.99. Possibly in April since i;m also buying COMBAT Season 2 Mission 1 (mainly because Richard Basehart is in two of the episodes.

TRK,sorry..but i would like to make this clear.-

Hogans Heros Season one will be coming out....in April? or has it already been realeased...

Also,Is there Season one of Combat out already?...and when will season two be relased...

These are must buys for me.

Be great if you could help me out....

-IHW

Hi IHW, I think Hogan's Heroes is coming out in Mid March. I'll check DDDVD.com for sure though. As far as I know, it's not yet released.

Yep, the first three seasons of COMBAT has been released. I already have the complete first season and will be starting on getting the first half of the 2nd season within a month. In about 6 weeks I should have all of season 2. All 5 seasons of COMBAT should be out by November but I think at the rate its coming out that they will all be out by Summer. Of the first season of COMBAT, i've only seen maybe 2-3 episodes of 32 episodes, to not be a 10 out of 10. Of those three, i'd give a 7-8 on a scale of 10--10 being the best of course.

Shecky Green who plays Private Braddock in the first several episodes of season one really steal the show and is great. He particurly shines in the episode called: Prisoner which also had Keenan Wynn in it as a Colonel.

well thats great news to hear about Combat,i havent seen it around..but then again i havent been to the mall in ages.I will likely get in this weekend and will have to pick up the first season,as well as Ladder 49,which came out a few days ago....im not sure if any of you have heard of it...but i highly recomend it.

-IHW

Saw Ladder 49 at the theater, and just purchased it yesterday. It is a great movie and a tear jerker. I recommend it everyone. Travolta and Phoenix are great together. It's not a western. -_-

Cheers B)

No,no not a western but still a great movie.....the ending took me,and all of my friends that saw it with me totally by suprise.


-IHW

Cheyenne Social Club

This just came to me,but i wanted to mention another movie that had a great effect on me....which was The Electric Horseman, Starring Robert Redford.

Basically,this is the "jist" of it....

Sonny Steele used to be a rodeo star, but his next appearance is to be on a Las Vegas stage, wearing a suit covered in lights, advertising a breakfast cereal. When he finds out they are going drug the horse in case its too frisky, he rides off into the desert...

-IHW

Not a western in the traditional sense, but I have really come to appreciate the Kirk Douglas movie Lonely Are the Brave. I'm always a sucker for any movie that features someone bravely and nobly fighting for a way of life that is fast fading. The trauma of change is a big deal to me and I am always interested in movies or books that address the issue.

"The Gunfight At The OK Corral" remains one of my favorites. Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas did a fine job in this picture and the ballad running through the movie with music by Dimitri Tiomkin and sung by Frankie Laine added a poignancy that would have been missing otherwise.

Cheers - Jay :)

:cowboy: IHW, your easiest bet in finding COMBAT on DVD is to get it through www.deepdiscountdvd.com and this will be the cheapest you pay as well.

Call me oddball - one of my favorite non-JW westerns is Clint Eastwood's "High Plains Drifter." It is so offbeat, it is mesmerizing. More of an allegory than a straightforward shoot-em-up (though it is that too!). Little touches, such as the sound of the saddle against Eastwood's horse at the beginning as he rides into the town, the location for the story - an area desolate, yet intriguing, the idea of painting the town red, literally and just the general feel of the movie, keep the viewer attentive.
Cheers - Jay ^_^

I have two favorite non-Wayne Westerns (well, actually, more than two since Westerns per se are my favorite genre of all. But to keep the post to a manageable size, I'll limit it to two. :D ) My two favorite non-JW Westerns are "Monte Walsh" with Lee Marvin and "The Stalking Moon" with Gregory Peck.

I especially like "Monte Walsh" because of the mixture of humor and pathos.
I thought the only jarring note in the plot was where the promoter tried to talk Monte into joining his Wild West show. That just didn't fit smoothly into the rest of the film.

Carl,

I went through this topic and saw that you were going to purchase My Darling Clementine. I was wondering if you had the chance to get your copy and if you've been able to view it?

Cheers B)

Hi everyone,
I have always liked TOMBSTONE,
Starring Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer,
Although I also, agree with Jay, about
GUNFIGHT AT O.K CORRAL,
and also Fondas' MY DARLING CLEMENTINE,
TOMBSTONE remains, my non Duke film,
but then what about High Plains,Josey Wales
etc, etc , etc ........

I LIKED a " Man Called Nobody" because a younger character was protecting the reputation of an older character that he respected. I have tried to do the same for the acting of John Wayne. People who take issue with some aspect of his politics will invariably denounce his acting. I point out that he was the number box office draw for longer then any other and all those fans must have seen something they liked. For me a good western portrays a person rising up to the challenge of life. I think we would all agree that its not hard to make mistakes but very hard to consistently work on being decent understanding and strong in your convictions. Some might say that society has left these values behind but I don't agree, I think theres more people trying to do the right thing then otherwise and that the will of the majority will prevail. A western that captures this is more then entertainment
its something that reinforces whats right in this world. so long Kilo 6
Hello all this edit (Sept 18th is required as I named the movie wrong) Subsequent research has shown the title is ' My Name is Nobody '. This 1974 film starring Terrence Hill and Henry Fonda IMO is a classic. Perhaps I should place it in the fav non JW western film post. If I remove this one from here I might be tempted to add American Graphiti, Kings of the sun, The War between the Men and the woman ( you have to be in the right mood for that one), Cannery Row, Milagro Beanfield War, and Paint your Wagon ( set in the west but perhaps not so much a western as a Northern). I like Fried green Tomatoes because IMO Mary Stuart Masterson Rocks and also because the actor who plays the sherif Bubba Is Gary Basseraba and we used to spend some time together when youth was a current phenomena.
So you asked for a fav not a list well you don't always get what you want eh but as the song goes if you try real hard sometimes you get what you need Kilo

Hello Yet again here is my second edit. When I was going through my posts I looked at the title bar and it doesn't show the full title, it cuts off , western at the end. In a tired state of mind that was ongoing at the time, I thought--great I have posted in the wrong topic, thus the most of the last edit is more then a little confusing. I'm going to leave it as is above. And lastly in a further flagrant abuse of the question favorite as opposed to favorites, I must add Gallipoli and The Light Horsemen.

Hi Hondo, yep, I have My Darling Clementine. I have watched it twice already, like it very much and even posted a topic on it. I always liked the film and the way it went but I like it better with the additional footage. Same thing goes for the reconstructed version of The Big Red One. :)

Welcome to the Club Kilo.

I don't really look at Westerns for one thing or the other, I just enjoy the vast majority of Westerns. As I get older though, I am taking a different view on when I watch Westerns. I enjoy them more when I watch them because of who is in them and not because of the story. Also, I like watching out for the character actors as well which makes it more interesting for me.

Same thing goes for the reconstructed version of The Big Red One.*


Hey Ringo, I have the old version of The Big Red One, and I have almost purchased the new version. What about the new version makes it so much better?

I would have to go with Quigley Down Under, Rare Breed, Cheyenne Social Club. There are to many others to list. I really like just about any western with Tom Selleck. I think he is just about one of the best western/cowboy actors around today.

Baby Sis


:cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:

Hi Viper, Baby Sis,

Viper, on The Big Red One.

The original version is 43 minutes shorter. One thing about this new release is that the German Sergeant, Sergeant Schroeder, gets more screen time and you get to see that he really is a cold-blooded killer. In the original version, you basically only see him when they are in North Africa as part of Rommel's Afrika Korps. You hear a song playing on a phonograph and see Schroeder eating some food as he is approaching some of his men. One of the resting soldiers who is named Gert, winds up getting shot by Schroeder when he says that he is not going to be choking on Panzer fumes and dust and that he is no nazi fanatic like Schroeder was. Next time you see Schroeder is when the Germans are attacking the Kasserine Pass. The Ami Sgts men run away and this is where the Sgt gets shot by another German after he kills a German. That German who shot him was also Schroeder.

The next time you see Schroeder (in the original version) is when the American Sergeant's (Lee Marvin) squad is at a WWI big red one memorial and the sgt sends Kaiser to scout ahead at the large cross on that hill. This happened to be the area where the Sgt fought in WWI and was also where a horse smashed his rifle. Schroeder is seen (before the G.I's arrive) placing his men in and around the destroyed panzer and Schroeder climbs up and hides behind the large cross. Well as you know his men make a mistake which gets them all killed instead of the Americans. After the Frenchwoman's baby is born inside the knocked out Panzer, you see Schroeder running away.

Still in the original version)) the last time you see Schroeder is when WWII ended and he tries to surrender to the Ami Sgt at the end of the movie but the Sgt stabs him and leaves him for dead (not knowing that the Armistice had been signed and the war had been over for four hours (just like what had happened to him in WWI when he killed a surrendering German soldier.)

In the reconstructed version, Sergeant Schroeder is seen a few more times in non combat scenes. For instance, after the Americans had liberated an Sicilian or Italian village where Vinci's Grandmother still lived (though in the original version you do not see his Grandmother) and this is also where they are celebrating with the civilians and eating a spaghetti dinner. Well, as they leave, the Ami Sgt is looking for his helmet and a little village girl brings it to him with flowers stuck in his helmet net. Zab says: "The Kraut's are going to spot that garden a mile away" and the Sgt says: "I like the smell."

They leave the village and the little girl come shouting and running to the Sgt and indicated that he did not kiss her or say goodbye. While this is going on, you see Schroeder with some men who are about to ambush the GI's and Schroeder says something like: "Stupid American wearing flowers in his helmet" and he fires at the Ami Sgt but kills the girl instead.

More added scenes is when Schroeder is placing explosives in a German Countess's Castle and he winds up killing her later on after she admitted she hated Hitler.

At the end of the movie, and schroeder's 2nd to last appearance shows him resting and a leaflet comes floating near him, he picks it up and reads it which says: The war was over. You see him lay down his MP-40, takes off his cartridge belt and stuff, and he walks away. Next you see him saying in German: "Der Krieg ist vorbai (SP?) meaning that The War Was Over.

Well, the Ami Sgt was listening to that music box when he hears the German approaching him. The Sgt leaps up and stabs the surrendering Sgt Schroeder. After one of the G.I's finds that the "dead" Schroeder is still alive and they tend to him. The very last scene shows the Ami Sgt carrying Schroeder across his shoulders.

There are just so many added things in this version, it would take me all day to type it in. Believe me, this version is worth buying. I might buy another copy but of the original version just to have. :)

Baby Sis, I also liked Quigley Down Under very much. I think Tom Selleck makes a great Western actor and I also like his "Sacketts" movies.

Thanks for the run down Ringo. I like the orginal theatrical release so I guess it would make sense to get the extended cut.

Baby Sis, I too enjoyed Quigley Down Under, and would highly recommend it to any western fan.

Viper, quite welcome and let me know what you think of the extended version after you get a chance to see it.

Hi All -
I mentioned earlier on this topic that one of my favorite non-John Wayne westerns was "The Professionals." Well, I happened to pick up the widescreen DVD this weekend, and, boy, how great it is! The photography is magnificent and there is a little added feature not promoted which is the translation in subtitles of the Spanish spoken in the movie. And, of course, a great western that hasn't become outdated at all!
Cheers - Jay :D

The only western-anything that I will watch occasionally is Gunsmoke, the t.v. show. I've only seen a few episodes of it though. For some reason I never feel like watching western movies other than John Wayne ones!

Hi Bonnie, I like watching Gunsmoke as well but, they only play the last few seasons of it in which you do not see much of Matt Dillon but see more of Festus.

I never have seen any of the first 10 or so season's and would love to see them. Wasn't Burt Reynolds in the series as a half-breed Indian? or something like that?

Ringo....Bonnie
I also am a Gunsmoke fan. . My best Gunsmoke memory is when I was a little girl my parents would get together with another couple (his name was Bob) on Saturday nights to play cards. Well just before it would be time for Gunsmoke to come on TV Bob would put on his gunbelt, stand in front of the television and every week during the opening sequence he would try to out draw Matt Dillon. :lol: :lol: I remember I thought this was so funny then and I think it is funnier now.

Do you have Encore Westerns channel? They run the early seasons of Gunsmoke. They run 2 shows everynight back to back. The black and whites...they have Chester, and Quint (Burt Reynolds). Quint was a half breed and was the blacksmith. These have Festus in them once in awhile but these are where you meet Festus when he first comes to town and learn more about his background which ties in to the story lines later in the series when he becomes Matt Dillons deputy.

On the weedend around Aug. 26th. they are running 50 hours of Gunsmoke in celebration of the 50th anniversary of the series.


Baby Sis


:cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:

Originally posted by Baby Sister@Aug 8 2005, 04:04 PM
* Do you have Encore Westerns channel? They run the early seasons of Gunsmoke. They run 2 shows everynight back to back.
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That's cool. No, I don't have that channel. TVLand is where I watch it, if it's the only good thing on.

Hello Ladies.

Baby Sis, Ha ha, that's like me when I was younger. I used to put on my Cowboy gunbelt with cap firing guns, and I would wear my buckskin shirt and cowboy hat. The show always came on at 6 PM on CBS and my dad and I always watched it. Even my earliest memories of the show I only remember seeing color episodes, but I still liked the show.

We don't have Encore here either but I see ad's from them advertising their channel(s) I wish we had them as well as PLEX.

Originally posted by Baby Sister@Aug 8 2005, 06:04 PM
Do you have Encore Westerns channel? They run the early seasons of Gunsmoke. They run 2 shows everynight back to back.
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Back under the topic "Most Favorite TV Westerns," I think it was Stumpy that provided information on some of the "Gunsmoke" scheduling. "Gunsmoke" in its initial run was a half-hour program. These have somehow fallen into a "black hole" (I seem to have several of these around the house where various items seem to disappear) - I don't know that any of these shorter episodes are being aired at all anywhere. I do enjoy catching the back-to-back hour-long episodes on the Encore Western Channel - brings back a lot of nostalgia.
Cheers - Jay :D

Favorite Non-John Wayne westerns:
Tombstone
Monte Walsh (with Tom Selleck)
You Know My Name (kind of a western)
Crossfire Trail
Open Range
Silverado
The Sacketts

Favorite TV Westerns:
Cheyenne (my favorite when I was growing up)
Gunsmoke
Wyatt Earp
The Lazarus Man
The Lone Ranger
Judge Roy Bean

Nice choices Colorado, i've seen only 3 of those movies and episodes from most of those TV series.

Hi all,
My favorites are "They died with their boots on" and "My Darling Clementine".
Regards,
Vera

Hi Senta, Errol Flynn is a favorite of mine as well. Also, when you get the chance, watch him in Dodge City--that is another great film of his. I think Alan Hale Sr and Gwinn "Big Boy" Williams are both in that excellent Western as well.

Senta, by the way, welcome to the Duke Wayne forums. Best regards Ringo Kid aka Carl.

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Aug 21 2005, 12:31 AM
Hi Senta, Errol Flynn is a favorite of mine as well. Also, when you get the chance, watch him in Dodge City--that is another great film of his. I think Alan Hale Sr and Gwinn "Big Boy" Williams are both in that excellent Western as well.

Senta, by the way, welcome to the Duke Wayne forums. Best regards Ringo Kid aka Carl.
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Hi Ringo,
Thanks for welcome. I saw Dodge City and all others Flynn westerns (they are 7 if I'm not mistaken) and I like it and Alan Hale with Gwinn Big Boy, who played also with Flynn in Santa Fe Trail and Virdginia City, but my opinion is that They died with thir boots is something special amoung Flynn movies. By the way he himself thought that he is miscasting in westerns.
Regards,
Vera

Hi Senta, I agree with you. I too am a big fan of They Died With Their Boots On and it was the first Western I saw Errol Flynn in. Also, because of that movie, I fell in love with Olivia de Havilland as she was and still is, a very beautiful woman. It's a shame that she never got married to Errol Flynn.

As far as Flynn movies go, I liked most of them but these are my top 5 favorites:

1) Dawn Patrol.
2) They Died With Their Boots On.
3) Sea Hawk.
4) The Adventures Of Robin Hood.
5) Desperate Journey.

:)

No offense, but I never thought Errol Flynn should have made westerns. Not that they weren't good, they were. But I've always liked him better in his swashbuckler films. I think his Robin Hood is the definitive Robin Hood, but I also like him in Against All Flags, and Captain Blood - two of my favorite Flynn films.
Colorado Bob

Hi Carl(Where have you been?) Bob and Vera,
it's funny, We've had this chat before, on another thread,
but I really liked Errol Flynn.
He made the laugh with his devilish ways!
Of course he wasn't a real cowpoke like Duke,
but he made a two or three decent westerns.
BOOTS, DODGE CITY, and VIRGINIA CITY.

Best Wishes,
Keith

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Aug 21 2005, 01:04 AM
Hi Senta, I agree with you. I too am a big fan of They Died With Their Boots On and it was the first Western I saw Errol Flynn in. Also, because of that movie, I fell in love with Olivia de Havilland as she was and still is, a very beautiful woman. It's a shame that she never got married to Errol Flynn.

As far as Flynn movies go, I liked most of them but these are my top 5 favorites:

1) Dawn Patrol.
2) They Died With Their Boots On.
3) Sea Hawk.
4) The Adventures Of Robin Hood.
5) Desperate Journey.


:)
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I think my favorite Flynn films are
They died with their boots on
Sea Hawk
Captain Blood
Uncertain Glory
Objective Burma
Gentleman Jim

I saw all films that you mentioned and like them too. Expecially I was impressed by Dawn Patrol when I saw it for the first time. Desperate Journey is very nice war film with Reagan (we have in Russia same kind of war films, that were done during the war, I like them) and Walsh is one of my favorite directors, after Ford of course.
Regards,
Vera

Originally posted by Colorado Bob@Aug 21 2005, 02:31 AM
No offense, but I never thought Errol Flynn should have made westerns. Not that they weren't good, they were. But I've always liked him better in his swashbuckler films. I think his Robin Hood is the definitive Robin Hood, but I also like him in Against All Flags, and Captain Blood - two of my favorite Flynn films.
Colorado Bob
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Hi,
He himself thought the same way. But he done some good westerns. Here all they are
Dodge City
Santa Fe trail
They died with their boots on
San Antonio
Virginia City
Silver River
Montana
Rocky Mountain

Greetings Colorado, Senta, Ethan.

Hi Colorado, no offenses taken at all. Personally I thought he made a much better Buccaneer as well. Also I think his best role was as Robin Hood.

Hi Keith, well my schedule is somewhat different these days but I still try to get on daily if possible. I didn't know this was brought up before (I still don't know how to use that feature to bring up past subjects) :headbonk: [[Keith, yes, I got the "gist" of your post]] :D

Hi Senta, I have not yet seen Uncertain Glory. Can you please tell me what it was about? Walsh, Lewis Milestone and John Ford too are my favorite Directors. I would like very much to see some wartime Russian war movies. I bet many are fantastic. I wonder if there is one made about the Battleship Potempkin (SP?) I also wonder if they made any about the capture of the Fortress City of Kolburg? I remember reading somewhere that many German prisoners were used in Russian movies. I never heard of Silver City or Montana as being movies he made. Guess i'll have to do some research. :cowboy:

Hi Carl,
Well,I know we don't all take IMDB as the gospel,
but they list SILVER CITY, and MONTANA
and they are obviously westerns!
However, neither are part of my collection,
and I must admit to not seeing either of them!!
You don't think therefore, that they
were only released in Russia??(Ha Ha)
Vera, I'm only joking!!

Best Wishes,
Keith

Hi Keith, ha haaa, I bet they were only released in Russia. Next time i'm at IMDB, i'll pay more attention....I promise. :D

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Aug 23 2005, 12:53 AM
Greetings Colorado, Senta, Ethan.

Hi Senta, I have not yet seen Uncertain Glory. Can you please tell me what it was about? Walsh, Lewis Milestone and John Ford too are my favorite Directors. I would like very much to see some wartime Russian war movies. I bet many are fantastic. I wonder if there is one made about the Battleship Potempkin (SP?) I also wonder if they made any about the capture of the Fortress City of Kolburg? I remember reading somewhere that many German prisoners were used in Russian movies. I never heard of Silver City or Montana as being movies he made. Guess i'll have to do some research.* :cowboy:
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Hi Ringo,
Uncertain Glory is a war time movie, the story takes place at France, it is about escaped from guillotine fututive (Flynn plays him). He escaped during the air raid at Paris. He was soon caught by detective (P.Lucas), but during their returning trip the train stopped in a small town were bridge was blown up by saboteurs. Germans take one hundred french hostages and promise to kill them, if saboteurs will not be found. The Flynn hero ask detective if he can say that he is this sabotuer (For the first he wanted to thrick detective, but at the end of the film he surrender as a sabotuer. I'm afraid that my english is too poor to tell the whole story well. And sometimes when you try to tell the plot shortly it seems not interesting. It is only my fault in this case.
Uncertain Glory was directed by Walsh. Silver City too (but these films was realised only on VHS. Montana too, it is more late movie and in color.
Of course they are not available in Russia, I got them from e-bay.
About Potiomkin there is very famous old film.
Regards,
Vera

Originally posted by ethanedwards@Aug 23 2005, 01:36 AM
Hi Carl,
Well,I* know we don't all take IMDB as the gospel,
but they list SILVER CITY, and MONTANA
and they are obviously westerns!
However, neither are part of my collection,
and I must admit to not seeing either of them!!
You don't think therefore, that they
were only released in Russia??(Ha Ha)
Vera, I'm only joking!!

Best Wishes,
Keith
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Hi Keith,
they are not his best but interesting to see,
Regards,
Vera

Senta, thank you for your excellent information. I will look forward to watching those two movies next time thay are played. IF im not mistaken, I think the title for that battleship film is Battleship Potemkin, or something like that. I'll try doing a search for info about it when time permits.

Take care--C.

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Aug 25 2005, 12:31 AM
Senta, thank you for your excellent information. I will look forward to watching those two movies next time thay are played. IF im not mistaken, I think the title for that battleship film is Battleship Potemkin, or something like that. I'll try doing a search for info about it when time permits.

Take care--C.
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I think it is Battelship Potemkin, the director is Eisenshtein

:D Senta, that is the one I was talking about. I'm going to check belle&blade and see if they have it on VHS or DvD.

Hello All
Ditto on Flyn as a good Robin Hood. Mr Flyn was in Vancouver BC when he died. The man was over 70 and keeping company with teenagers, so the storey goes. That would be enough to kill even a swashbuckler. Kilo--- Sept 15 update to this post. I had his age wrong Mr Flynn was 50 when he passed on. Thanks for the right stats Ringo & Ethan Edwards. As for a controversial life I couldn't say, the only reason I heard about his death was that a chap who was at the party (so he says) was talking about it. I don't know what the bios say but as you are a fan Ringo I will relate what he said. This is not going to be verbatim. Mr Flynn was-- in pain or uncomfortable--(can't remember) and went to a doctor who was --a friend of a friend? The doctor called some people and Mr Flynn found himself in a social event at the doctors house. Mr F did not want this to happen he wanted to rest but went along with it, I think the rest is forgotten but the suggestion was that the doctor instead of helping contributed to his death by pressuring Mr F to socialize. As I said I don't know if there is any truth to this, I did not know the source personally. If it is true it's a real shame.

I might be tempted to add American Graphiti, Kings of the sun, The War between the Men and the woman ( you have to be in the right mood for that one), Cannery Row, Milagro Beanfield War, and Paint your Wagon ( set in the west but perhaps not so much a western as a Northern). I like Fried green Tomatoes because Mary Stuart Masterson Rocks and also because the actor who plays the sherif Bubba Is Gary Basseraba and we used to spend some time together about 30 plus years ago So you asked for a fav, not a list, well you don't always get what you want eh but as the song goes if you try real hard sometimes you get what you need
Kilo

Kilo, whoever told that story got an important fact wrong. Flynn was only 50 yrs old (or in his early 50's) when he passed away.

Well spotted Carl,
Mr Flynn was indeed, only 50 when he died!

1909-1959

Keith

Thank you Keith. Also, sometimes i'm a stickler for small details. :) Besides that, even with such a controversial life as he had, he is still one of my all-time favorite actors. Also, within the next few weeks I will be getting in the Errol Flynn signature collection which has They Died With Their Boots On, The Sea Hawk, Dodge City, Captain Blood and The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex and an additional documentary disc as well. This goes for $41.84; if interested at deepdiscountdvd.com. I also found it at Best Buy but I think it was over $50.00 bucks fo them. :( I can hardly wait for this set to arrive :D

Oh and if you feel the need, go to Google and type in GMIC for the Gentlemans Militaria Interest Club, look for the person with the username of: Ringo Kid ((Me)) :D which has an avatar of none other than Errol Flynn as Robin Hood.

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Aug 30 2005, 02:16 AM
Thank you Keith. Also, sometimes i'm a stickler for small details.* :) Besides that, even with such a controversial life as he had, he is still one of my all-time favorite actors. Also, within the next few weeks I will be getting in the Errol Flynn signature collection which has They Died With Their Boots On, The Sea Hawk, Dodge City, Captain Blood and The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex and an additional documentary disc as well. This goes for $41.84; if interested at deepdiscountdvd.com. I also found it at Best Buy but I think it was over $50.00 bucks fo them.* :(* I can hardly wait for this set to arrive* :D

Oh and if you feel the need, go to Google and type in GMIC for the Gentlemans Militaria Interest Club, look for the person with the username of: Ringo Kid ((Me))* :D which has an avatar of none other than Errol Flynn as Robin Hood.
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Hi Ringo,
What can controversial life do with the devotion to the actor. I can't blame Flynn for nothing and haven't right to do that. His life was as facshinating as his films. Haven't you read his autobiography "MY wicked, wicked ways". It's wonderful!
I haven't ordered yet his Signature Collection, because I have all these films on VHS and wanted first to order something new for me. Now I received two new JW movies - Rio Grande and She wore a yellow ribbon, saw them at yesterday night and fell really happy.
Regards,
Vera

Hi Vera, I completely agree with you. Flynn was as controversial as many of his movies were. Personally, I do not feel I need to know what a movie star does in private as it is not any of my business. I would rather just enjoy watching any movie they act in.

I have read My Wicked, Wicked Ways, many years ago. I know he was a "party animal" but that is not my concern. I just simply like watching him on TV or the big screen ;-))

I have Rio Grande on DvD but do not have She Wore A Yellow Ribbon on DvD yet. I cannot get tired of watching Rio Grande and I love the music in it as well.

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Aug 31 2005, 10:50 PM
I cannot get tired of watching Rio Grande and I love the music in it as well.
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It is exactly like I feel, I can't stop watching Rio Grande and music in it is wonderful. And Duke did a fine job as an actor there, and in pair with Maureen O'Hara it is some magic.
By the way what is the music at the end of the film, it sounds quite familiar to me but I'm not sure. There is something important about this music in the film.
Living in Russia I can't understand all historic details. But try to know more (now I'm reading a book about Civil War in USA).
Regards,
Vera

Hi Vera, just ask me and I'll try to help you out with our military history. :D

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Sep 3 2005, 08:34 PM
Hi Vera, just ask me and I'll try to help you out with our military history.* :D
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Hi Ringo, I shall, thank you.
Regards,
Vera

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 5 2005, 02:43 PM
Hi Ringo, I shall, thank you.
Regards,
Vera
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Vera,
One of the best and most thoroughly-documented histories of the U.S. Civil War (or, as we Texas boys call it, the War of Northern Aggression ;) ) is "Lee's Lieutenants" a 3-volume work by Douglas Southall Freeman. It's from a Southern perspective, though, as Freeman was a Southerner.

I should have also said that it's long out of print and can be fairly expensive when you find it. I paid about sixty dollars for my 3-volume set.
Jim

Originally posted by Stumpy@Sep 6 2005, 01:07 AM
Vera,
One of the best and most thoroughly-documented histories of the U.S. Civil War (or, as we Texas boys call it, the War of Northern Aggression* ;) ) is "Lee's Lieutenants" a 3-volume work by Douglas Southall Freeman.* It's from a Southern perspective, though, as Freeman was a Southerner.

I should have also said that it's long out of print and can be fairly expensive when you find it.* I paid about sixty dollars for my 3-volume set.
Jim
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Hi Jim,
Thank you for information. This points of view are always interest me. Now I'm reading the book of russian author about Civil War and it is also written from the Southern perspective.
As I see Duke portrayed only Northern heros. Was it a principe or by chance?
Regards,
Vera

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 5 2005, 10:48 PM
As I see Duke portrayed only Northern heros. Was it a principe or by chance?

I think it was more by chance than design. I recall reading an article that asked that very same question several years ago but don't remember what the conclusion was.

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 5 2005, 03:43 PM
Hi Ringo, I shall, thank you.
Regards,
Vera
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Your quite welcome Vera. :)

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 5 2005, 03:43 PM
Hi Ringo, I shall, thank you.
Regards,
Vera
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Your quite welcome Vera. :)

Moderator, please bear w/ me because the site will not let me delete the other posting. Please delete it if you see it.

Originally posted by Stumpy@Sep 6 2005, 01:28 PM
I think it was more by chance than design.* I recall reading an article that asked that very same question several years ago but don't remember what the conclusion was.
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I think You are right that it was much more by chance. And we mustn't foget that Eathan Edwards was in the Southern Army.
I'm interested is there some traces of that war in the minds of people now. In the book I'm reading it is said that Southern way of life disappered completly after the war as Ancient civilization. But by your remark I see that you are still feel youself Southern. Is it right?
Regards,
Vera

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 7 2005, 12:49 AM
I'm interested is there some traces of that war in the minds of people now. In the book I'm reading it is said that Southern way of life disappered completly after the war as Ancient civilization. But by your remark I see that you are still feel youself Southern. Is it right?

No, the "Southern" way of life did not disappear at the end of the Civil War, Vera. The only thing that disappeared was the institution of slavery itself.

For the most part, Southerners are much more politically conservative than Northerners. We don't like big, intrusive government trying to tell us how to live our lives (an attitude that was one of the causes of the Civil War).

And yes, I very definitely consider myself "Southern". In fact, I'm very proud of my Southern heritage. My great, great grandfather was a cavalryman in the 19th Texas Cavalry, a Confederate unit. Because of his service, I now belong to the "Sons of Confederate Veterans", a fraternal organization of people whose ancestors fought for the South in the Civil War.
Jim

Originally posted by Stumpy@Sep 7 2005, 02:02 PM
No, the "Southern" way of life did not disappear at the end of the Civil War, Vera. The only thing that disappeared was the institution of slavery itself.

For the most part, Southerners are much more politically conservative than Northerners. We don't like big, intrusive government trying to tell us how to live our lives (an attitude that was one of the causes of the Civil War).

And yes, I very definitely consider myself "Southern". In fact, I'm very proud of my Southern heritage.* My great, great grandfather was a cavalryman in the 19th Texas Cavalry, a Confederate unit.* Because of his service, I now belong to the "Sons of Confederate Veterans", a fraternal organization of people whose ancestors fought for the South in the Civil War.
Jim
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Hi Jim,
It is great to hear that you Great, Great grandfather was a cavalryman in the Southern Army. And it is really very interesting to me to hear that you still consider yourself Southern. For a pity we here are not know much about American history. But I can say that most of us who knows something, are more on the South side. The one reason of it that the book "gone with the Wind" was very very popular here, so the people who didn't read historic books know something about it. And in all sources that I have read it is said that Southern Army has more talanted generals, and was more honorable inspite of that they haven't any supplyes and was in great suffer. And because of the courage of the Southern Army war lasted so long.
I hope you have some memories kept in your family about this war.
Both of my grandfathers was officers at the last WWII.
Regards,
Vera

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 7 2005, 10:08 AM
But I can say that most of us who knows something, are more on the South side. And in all sources that I have read it is said that Southern Army has more talanted generals, and was more honorable inspite of that they haven't any supplyes and was in great suffer. And because of the courage of the Southern Army war lasted so long.

I can see that you and I are gonna be great friends, Vera. :lol: :lol:

I just saw Wagon Train for the 1st time. A ***** western from John Ford staring scores of his stock company members. I loved it. I also just saw John Ford's episode of Wagon Master a superb TV show esp. the flashback w/ Duke's cameo!

Originally posted by ZACK613@Sep 7 2005, 11:59 AM
I just saw Wagon Train for the 1st time. A ***** western from John Ford staring scores of his stock company members. I loved it. I also just saw John Ford's episode of Wagon Master a superb TV show esp. the flashback w/ Duke's cameo!
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Zack,
Isn't that 1950's "Wagon Master" instead of "Wagon Train", which was an old TV series, also back in the '50's?

Like Stumpy says, I think Zach has Wagon Train and Wagon Master switched around. The TV show Wagon Train had an episode titled The Colter Craven Story which told the story of Maj. Seth Adams's (Ward Bond) time he spent in the Civil War. In one scene, John Wayne appeared as General William Tecumseh Sherman (the same character he portrayed in How The West Was Won). The episode first appeared in November 1960, and Wayne was billed as Michael Morris. He was also billed as Mike Morris, in the TV show Flashing Spikes in which he also had a cameo. Little bit of Duke Trivia.
Colorado Bob

Originally posted by Stumpy@Sep 7 2005, 06:38 PM
I can see that you and I are gonna be great friends, Vera.* :lol:* :lol:
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Jim, I'm deeply honored. :rolleyes: