Duke's Missing and Rare Movies- The Definitive list

1926. BROWN OF HARVARD - (MGM) ***Available as a Movie
1926. BARDELEYS THE MAGNIFICENT- (MGM)***No complete print known to exist. Approx 30 minutes survives.
1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM)***Restored print in Library of Congress
1927. THE DROP KICK - (First National) ***Available as a Movie
1927. THE GREAT K&A TRAIN ROBBERY- (Fox)***Available as a Movie
1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox)***No complete print known to exist (two reels missing)
1928. FOUR SONS- (Fox)***Available as a Movie
1928. HANGMAN'S HOUSE -(Fox) ***Available as a Movie
1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)***Survival status unknown
1928. NOAH'S ARK- (Warner Brothers/First National)***Available as a Movie
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)***No print known to exist Considered LOST (There may be a print of this in Australia ref: [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]))
1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox)***No print known to exist Considered LOST
1929. THE BLACK WATCH- (Fox)***Available as a Movie
1929. WORDS AND MUSIC- (Fox) ***No print known to exist Considered LOST
1929. SALUTE- (Fox)***Available as a Movie
1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National)***No print known to exist Considered LOST
1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)***Print in UCLA
1930. MEN WITHOUT WOMEN-(Fox) ***Available as a Movie
1930. BORN RECKLESS- (Fox)***Available as a Movie
1930. ROUGH ROMANCE- (Fox)***Available as a Movie
1930. CHEER UP AND SMILE- (Fox) ***Preserved copy in UCLA
1930. THE BIG TRAIL- (Fox) .***Available as a Movie
1931. WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS- (Fox)***Survival status unknown
1931. THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI- (Fox)***Print is known to exist further research required to establish where
1931. GIRLS DEMAND EXCITEMENT- (Fox)Print in UCLA (just been viewed by AFI and will be included in their next catalogue)
1931. THREE GIRLS LOST- (Fox)***Incomplete print in UCLA (one reel missing) (just been viewed by AFI and will be included in their next catalogue)
1931. MEN ARE LIKE THAT- (Columbia).***Available as a Movie
1931. MAKER OF MEN- (Columbia).***Available as a Movie
1931. THE DECEIVER- (Columbia)***Print is known to exist
1932. THAT'S MY BOY (Columbia)***Print is known to exist further research required to establish where
1936. THE OREGON TRAIL- (Republic)***No print known to exist Considered LOST
1937. ADVENTURES END- (Universal)***Considered LOST However AFI know of a print in a private collection in Canada

Also from Elly's post:-

1932 Hollywood Handicap, the 20 minute short***Survival status unknown
1932 Running Hollywood 20 minute short***Survival status unknown
1932 Voice of Hollywood no 13, The 12 minute short***Survival status unknown



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My special thanks to Elly, for making this list possible,
and for the considerable amount of time, she has spent on
it's compilation
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One of the things that has always interested me ,and I'm sure, we'll never know, is what films was Duke involved in, in those early Fox years, either as a prop man, in a crowd scene, or a walk on??
I've gone through countless books, and Tim Lilley, of The Big Trail journal, also, itemised these films.
This list incidently, almost matches this sites, filmography. The other ones we came up with, information from various sources surrounding the Fox studios, is in addition to the sites list!
It is suggested, that he was also involved, in the following;-

STRONG BOY- March 3.1930-Victor McLaglan/John Ford film
HAM HAMILTONS SHORTS- comedy shorts
THE LONE STAR RANGER- 1930
WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS-1930
THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI-1930

Who knows?
But with those added to our Filmography, that's about as concise,as it gets!!

Hi Ethan
I know what you mean: you can get blind freeze-framing these old pictures every time there is a crowd and trying to find that familiar face!
I think we can be sure about "Noah's Arc" since Wayne himself mentioned it in an interview, how he got the job with Andy Devine because they both were good swimmers.
I can recommend Ford's early film "Four Sons" in which Wayne was a prop man and the famous "snowing" incident happend. At least with this film you can imagine him moving around the furniture between scenes!

Hi ethanedwards

Fred Landesman includes both Strong Boy and Sweet heart of Sigma Ri in his book.

The former with Wayne working as a prop man.

In the latter film he includes a picture showing Wayne complete with moustache in the background. TYhis is the only mention I have heard of the picture and certainly the only film still I have ever seen, the photo must be priceless.

Regards

Arthur

Hi Arthur,

Thanks for verifying those two, perhaps, the sites Filmography can be updated, to include them. You'd probably agree, that's probably, as good as it gets, unless anyone can come up with any, that have been missed!

There seems to be, films that have gone forever, or have they?
Apart from THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY and ISLAND IN THE SKY, two films well covered on this site, where have all the the others gone?

Pre THE BIG TRAIL days, (Refer to my posting, Before THE BIG TRAIL)We can't be sure of all those, but since then, what has happened to;-

GIRLS DEMAND EXCITEMENT
THREE GIRLS LOST
MEN ARE LIKE THAT
THE DECEIVER
THAT'S MY BOY
LADY AND THE GENT
CENTRAL AIRPORT
THE LIFE OF JIMMY DOLAN
COLLEGE COACH

THE NEW FRONTIER
THE OREGON TRAIL
THE LONELY TRAIL
ADVENTURES END
PALS OF THE SADDLE
RED RIVER RANGE
THE NIGHT RIDERS
THREE TEXAS STEERS
WYOMING OUTLAW

CANCEL MY RESERVATION

I can't get these in England, Can you get any of them,DVD/VHS, in the U.S of A.?

If you can, let me know.

ethanedwards,

We have on VHS these movies in the states:

Pals of the Saddle
Three Texas Steers
Red River Range
The Lonely Trail
Cancel My Reservations

None of these are on DVD.

Hope this helps.

Cheers B)

Hi Hondo,

Thanks so much for replying to my post!
Wish I could get hold of any of those!

Most of the rare ones, I've had do to buy, when I've been on holiday
in the States, or from The John Wayne Film Society, here in England!

Does this site have a reputable store, that we can obtain these
DVD/VHS FILMS FROM?

Actually there is an add(bygonevideos I think it is) that pops up when you enter the forum for a site that has a few of these movies on VHS. "The Oregon Trail" has been discussed earlier a couple of times, and I think our film experts Arthur and Itdo are of the opinion that this one is lost. TCM in Europe has earlier shown "The Life of Jimmy Dolan" although they have no reference to this movie now. I remember seeing it before I had found a special interest in John Wayne's movies. I was a bit surprised seeing John Wayne suddenly appearing since I had no idea he was in the movie. He played a boxer before a fight.

Regards
Popol Vuh

Hi Popol,

Just replied to you other post!

Yes I'm sure, some probably, most are lost.The shame for all us Duke fans is that, it's a pity the film companies, didn't show the same respect
that his fans do!!

Hi

As the membership grows so does our knowledge and experience.

For years it has been accepted that the John Wayne version of The Oregon Trail is one of the Dukes "Lost Film's".

In the last couple of years the John Wayne Appreciation Society has issued some of his 1930s Universal films until only Adventures End is still awaiting issue, and both ITDO and I although not world experts on the topic have come around to the feeling that this too is a lost film.

In a couple of recent threads it has been suggested that Girls Demand Excitement and Three Girls Lost may also be in this catagory.

What I thought was with all the people on the board pooling our knowledge perhaps the list of films that are or are not lost can be accurately ascertained and that there can be no doubt as whether a film is in existence or is definately lost.

In one of his last threads ITDO suggested that many of these old pictures may still be stored in major American Libraries just laying there forgotten. I don't know if he is right or not but it does sound reasonable.

I would like to hear your thoughts on this by our combined efforts we might discover a lost treasure.

Regards

Arthur

Is there only 3 'lost films'? I would say that with every passing day the chances of these film popping up are get slimmer.

Like Arthur stated, I believe the four lost films are:

Three Girls Lost
Girls Demand Excitment
The Oregon Trail
Adventure's End

Baring a miracle, I don't believe we'll ever be able to see these.

Hi,
And if they are in some libraries, what is the way to find them?
May be anybody have the information: was these films shown in Germany before the war. Because in that case they may be somewere here.
Regards,
Senta

I have no idea where these movies are, or if they exist or not. I have heard that a lot of the old movies have been destroyed due to poor storage conditions and could not be preserved.

Is it possible that some of those movies could have found their same fate as those that are lost forever? We have for a fact that some of his later films like The High & The Mighty and Island in the Sky were in poor condition and had to be cleaned up before they were released earlier this year, and we had some discussion about The Alamo losing a part of its movie because of not being stored well, and that was done over 40 years ago.

These movies were "B" movies and were cheaply done. I can only imagine that they were not stored very well and could have been lost. I know film schools may have some of the movies for study in style, but you know that a lot of "B" movies were released back in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc. My question is how many movies that were done cheap lost? I know that might be impossible to tell, but I bet it was hundreds if not thousands are lost.

We have a way of preserving movies today. Some of today's movies need to be lost. :huh: I'm not sure what they were thinking back then. I quess they didn't have the technology we do today, and they probably didn't have knowledge we have about film preservation.

As for the lost films. I know that itdo and Arthur know more about this than I do, and maybe they know where these films are today. Or at least know they exist somewhere in the world.

Cheers B)

Originally posted by falc04@Dec 24 2005, 11:17 AM
Like Arthur stated, I believe the four lost films are:

Three Girls Lost
Girls Demand Excitment
The Oregon Trail
Adventure's End

Baring a miracle, I don't believe we'll ever be able to see these.
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I believe that Bardeley's the Magnificent is also lost. There may be a few snippets of it in existence, but as a whole it is lost I think, and I not sure about Annie Laurie, but the Turner library claims to have a copy. Also, there are the Ham Hamilton Comedies that he appeared in. I am not sure which ones they were, only that Duke himself said that he did work on some as an extra back in the 20's. Most of Hamilton's films are gone.
Colorado Bob

Hi Arthur,
Thanks for your prompt, regarding these films.
To me it will always be sad, that no matter how we all strive,
to capture, all of Duke films, on the silver screen, we will
in all probability, never achieve it!!
However you never know, and as mentioned on an earlier post,
someone, somewhere just might have ?????????

Keith

Hi

Looks like my prompt started a whole lot of comments.

In this matter Roland (ITDO) is by far more expert than I am. He seemed to think that some of the university Libratries might hold copies and possibly the Congress Library but being English I am in a world that I don't understand.

I think that I may contact the British film institute to see if they can help and there is a big motion picture libray in Bradford I believe. I may make a quest in te ext few months to find out once and for all.

Thanks for your imput keep it up.

Senta I don't know what the equivalent German and Russian libraries are but they may well have them and my On this Day Thread also list a number of his early films being released in Finland.



Regards

Arthur

Originally posted by arthurarnell@Dec 27 2005, 06:23 PM

Senta I don't know what the equivalent German and Russian libraries are but they may well have them and* my On this Day Thread also list a number of his early films being released in Finland.
Regards

Arthur
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Hi Arthur,
I mean that many movies realised in Germany before the war were brought to Russia as a trophies. So they may be found in some archives. I'll try to search after the holidays (I know the point from what I can start).
Recently two early Dukes films appear on TV, so I began guessing from what source they come from?
Regards,
Senta

I heard something interesting today. According to CNN, the Film institute has reported that they are trying to preserve the films of today because of what has happen to the films of yesterday. Yesterday being before 1950. According to this report they say that about 50% of the films before 1950 have been lost forever. I'm not sure about that, but I am conveying what I heard.

So I am saying that if this is true, then we are lucky that only 3 or 4 of Duke's movies are lost forever, if that is true too.

I'll try to get that report to be more specific.

Cheers B)

Hondo,

You can almost Bet that there are some Print of those old Films out there some where. :rolleyes: One Day at the right time and the Price is Right, they will come out! ;)

Chilibill :cowboy:

Maybe someone could write to some of these places and ask if they have them.

just a thought...

Vicki :-)

Here's a interesting link -

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Hi,
In hindsight, if only they'd known!
How they could have done with a PC???

Hi Clanc and Mike

That is a facinating article and perhaps they might e a good place to start. I believe that the film deteriorating into powder after being left in the can was what happened to the Oregon Trail.

Its amazing what peolple can find out in only a couple of days.

After all it was only a year or so ago that Bucking Broadway an old John Ford Western that had been lost for 70 years turned up in France.

Regards

Arthur

Realistically, there is little point in reviewing films,
where Duke, has a minor, or walk-on part.
We have many films in our Filmography, where he is seen, or maybe not seen,
where he is credited, as a walk-on, or uncredited.
Here are the films that will not be reviewed:-


1926. BROWN OF HARVARD - (MGM)
1926. BARDELEYS THE MAGNIFICENT- (MGM)
1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM)
1927. THE DROP KICK - (First National) Uncredited but visibly seen.
1927. THE GREAT K&A TRAIN ROBBERY- (Fox)
1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox)
1928. FOUR SONS- (Fox)
1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)
1928. NOAH'S ARK- (Warner Brothers/First National)
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)
1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox)
1929. THE BLACK WATCH- (Fox)
1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National))
1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)
1930. BORN RECKLESS- (Fox)
1931. WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS- (Fox)
1931. THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI- (Fox)
1931. THE DECEIVER- (Columbia)
1932. THAT'S MY BOY- (Columbia)
1933. CENTRAL AIRPORT- (WB)
1933. COLLEGE COACH- (WB)

However, if anyone has a particular interest, in one of the above,
please make a request, on the message thread.

Girls Demand Excitement (1931) can't be lost, as this film was shown at the New York Film Forum ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) just this past week as part of a "Fox Before The Code" show. So, Fox must have a print of it in their vaults.

Hi Ejgreen,
thank you for very interesting news. Hope they will release this film on DVD.
Regards,
Senta :rolleyes:

Hi,

I echo Arthur, in hoping a 'new' lost film is recoverd!

Originally posted by ethanedwards@Dec 22 2006, 04:27 AM
Hi,

I* echo Arthur, in hoping a 'new' lost film is recoverd!
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Just to clarify, Adventure's End is *not* a lost film. A video dealer in Canada knows someone with a 16mm print but like many collectors, is not willing to loan it for transfer to DVD or any other format.

Originally posted by RoughRider@Dec 22 2006, 12:41 PM
Just to clarify, Adventure's End is *not* a lost film. A video dealer in Canada knows someone with a 16mm print but like many collectors, is not willing to loan it for transfer to DVD or any other format.
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It seems like Bill is correct then and I have a funny feeling the Oregon trail will pop up in the future.

:agent:

Many thanks for the link to John Wayne on DVD: A Filmography. It looks like many from the 1930s are coming to DVD.

How great would it be if FOX actually still has, and releases, Three Girls Lost & Girls Demand Excitment on DVD.

And if Universal releases their 6 Duke films from the mid 30s (Sea Spoilers, Conflict, etc...).

Would certainly make my day!

Hi Kieth

Looking at your list I think I would agree with the majority of your choices. The two exceptions would be Men Are Like That and Hangman's House, the first because Duke has a fairly substantial role in the film, the second because it is recognised as being one of his first pivotal roles. it is also often erroneously reported that he is seen as a spectator demolishing a fence in the horse race scene. he is also seen in sillouhette being sentenced to be hung, and again has a 'speaking part' if that can be said in a silent picture, in the crowd riot scene. And if all else fails then there is still Victor McLaglen.

Interestingly in this years Trail Beyond Tim Lilley includes an article by me entitled The John Wayne Timeline in which he mentions John Wayne as an extra in the film 'Noah's Ark' along with Andy Devine who were both in the drowning sequence.

Regards


Arthur

Hi Kieth

Looking at your list I think I would agree with the majority of your choices. The two exceptions would be Men Are Like That and Hangman's House,

Regards


Arthur

Thanks for that Arthur,

Although, it was still in the list of 'un-reviewed'
I had already reviewed
Men Are Like That
aware that it was important enough to do so!
However I have re-edited and re-posted
it as
Arizona (Men Are Like That)
but this time placing it in,Duke's Romantic/Misc etc.,
which I think is more acceptable for it, than a war film!


I have now also reviewed the other few films
where Duke is credited, as Duke Morrison,

Namely,

Words And Music
Men Without Women
Rough Romance
Cheer Up And Smile


I have also included
Hangman's House
because of it's importance

TCM will be showing Central Airport tomorrow morning at 11 am, est. It appears John Wayne had a very small part in this movie and apparantly not credited.

He's not credited but iMDB has his part showing:

John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) ... Co-pilot in Wreck (uncredited)

Hi

Of all of the films listed I think that most of the three esquiteers films have or are coming out on DVD.

The Life of Jimmy Dolan is already out, I'm not sure about the earlier ones.

There were three versions of the Oregon Trail made, I would be prepared to say that the Duke version was destroyed.

Of the others I think Adventures End is in the same catagory.

Certainly Tim Lilley is certain about Duke's participation in Noahs Ark for when writing the Timeline for the Big Trail with his help I was able to extend John Wayne's film career from the start of Christianity to the dawn of time when ever that was.


Regards

Arthur

Regards

Arthur

Hi

Of all of the films listed I think that most of the three esquiteers films have or are coming out on DVD.

The Life of Jimmy Dolan is already out, I'm not sure about the earlier ones.

There were three versions of the Oregon Trail made, I would be prepared to say that the Duke version was destroyed.

Of the others I think Adventures End is in the same catagory.

Certainly Tim Lilley is certain about Duke's participation in Noahs Ark for when writing the Timeline for the Big Trail with his help I was able to extend John Wayne's film career from the start of Christianity to the dawn of time when ever that was.

Regards

Arthur

Regards

Arthur


There are about 18 movies before The Big Trail...

These I have on DVD:

The Great K&A Train Robbery - 1926
Brown of Harvard - 1926
The Drop Kick - 1927
Hangman's House - 1928
Salute - 1929
Noah's Ark - 1929
he Black Watch - 1929
Born Reckless - 1930

These I don't but are working on it to get them:

Bardelys the Magnificent - 1926
Annie Laurie - 1927
Mother Machree - 1928
Four Sons - 1928
Words and Music - 1929
Speakeasy - 1929
The Forward Pass - 1929
Rough Romance - 1930
Men Without Women - 1930
Cheer Up and Smile - 1930

Here is the list from our Filmography,
which was compiled from some 11 books,
IMDb and Tim Lilley's Big Trail


1926. BROWN OF HARVARD - (MGM)
1926. BARDELEYS THE MAGNIFICENT- (MGM)
1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM)
1927. THE DROP KICK - (First National) Uncredited but visibly seen.
1927. THE GREAT K&A TRAIN ROBBERY- (Fox)
1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox)
1928. FOUR SONS- (Fox)
1928. HANGMAN'S HOUSE -(Fox) Uncredited, but visibly seen.
1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)
1928. NOAH'S ARK- (Warner Brothers/First National)
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)
1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox)
1929. THE BLACK WATCH- (Fox)
1929. WORDS AND MUSIC- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1929. SALUTE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National))
1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)
1930. MEN WITHOUT WOMEN-(Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1930. BORN RECKLESS- (Fox)
1930. ROUGH ROMANCE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1930. CHEER UP AND SMILE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison

Three of them that don't match I don't think he was in as an actor.

HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES
STRONG BOY
THE LONE STAR RANGER

These three are not in any of my books. I took my filmography from Duke: A Life In Pictures and iMDB matches my list as well. Along with 3 other books I just checked:

Duke: The John Wayne Album
John Wayne: A Tribute
The Complete Films of John Wayne


So that's 5 sources for me and no mention of those three movies. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just a crew member on those. I have those 18 pre-The Big Trail on my list but I'm really only interested in getting the movies starting with The Big Trail since it was his first starring role.Using that list I have 93% of his movies on DVD.

I was able to record "Central Airport" this morning but the sound was very badly out-of-sync. I'll have to run it through my Virtual DubMode software and get the voice in sync with the picture. Other than that it was a good copy of the film.

These,

HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES
STRONG BOY
THE LONE STAR RANGER

These are mentioned by Tim Lilley in The Big Trail.

Maybe, maybe, not an actor in them, but still worth
of inclusion

Also see my post at the top of this thread,

One of the things that has always interested me ,and I'm sure, we'll never know, is what films was Duke involved in, in those early Fox years, either as a prop man, in a crowd scene, or a walk on??
I've gone through countless books, and Tim Lilley, of The Big Trail journal, also, itemised these films.
This list incidently, almost matches this sites, filmography. The other ones we came up with, information from various sources surrounding the Fox studios, is in addition to the sites list!
It is suggested, that he was also involved, in the following;-

STRONG BOY- March 3.1930-Victor McLaglan/John Ford film
HAM HAMILTONS SHORTS- comedy shorts
THE LONE STAR RANGER- 1930
WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS-1930
THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI-1930

Who knows?
But with those added to our Filmography, that's about as concise,as it gets!!

Please note, However, the mention that it
is SUGGESTED that he was involved

Here is a Quote about this very subject, already
discussed in a Filmography Comments thread, a while back.

Filmography Comments ([Only registered and activated users can see links])



HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES
two reel comedies from the '20's'

A couple of references, point out that Duke,was a lot busier
with his propping and 'extras' work, then the scant listings of his earlier films suggest.

Tim Lilley, wrote this article in the Big Trail,
and pointed out the following:-

THE FILMS OF JOHN WAYNE
by Ricci/Zmijewsky.1970
for years the standard reference work on John Wayne,
made this interesting statement:-

'Wayne continued working in the prop department(Fox)
and now and then as a stuntman. He also began to get bit parts in Ham Hamilton comedies and Ford films such as HANGMAN'S HOUSE, SALUTE and MEN WITHOUT WOMEN'

This was vindicated by Lee O Miller, the author
of the 1979 book, THE GREAT COWBOY STARS OF MOVIES AND TELEVISION.
Lee O Miller, had the good fortune to interview Duke, and Duke told him:-

'I finally got bit parts in a few other films. Ham Hamilton was the director of those films.
He was a friend of Ford's and the latter asked Hamilton to give me a chance at acting, if he had any bit parts, to cast me in!

Duke also recalled other films he was associated with
BROWN OF HARVARD, NOAH'S ARK.

Although there is no visible proof,that Duke was in these films,
neither is there, for some of the films, we've already listed!!
To include some and not others, may spoil the full 'picture'

Everyone has their own list... all I know they are not listed in mine because I see no written proof in any of the books I have that he was ever in them. If Tim put them in his books then fine, but I have 5 others that dispute that list. For me to add them would be adding something that hasn't been proven. So far every movie I have and have watched even if it's only for a couple seconds, I have seen him in the movie. They even printed a filmography in the Winterset program we could buy during the celebration and those are not listed in there either.

There's another place I checked and that's the AFI's master catalog. He's not listed there either and they keep some pretty extensive records. John Ford directed one of them (Strong Boy) but the HAM HAMILTONS wasn't even listed since they weren't classified as movies. Short comedy clips...

All these points and more, are discussed in
this thread


Filmography Comments ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

He's not credited but iMDB has his part showing:

John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) ... Co-pilot in Wreck (uncredited)Hi Dakota, this is one I'm glad I brought back up. This appears to be an unfinished topic.

BTW, the imdb is also where I got my info as well.

I wouldn't trust iMDB as much as I would the books I got the filmographies from and the AFI's info. That other thread is a year old. I don't need to check the other thread when I know what I am using as a filmography list. I don't collect 20 min comedy skits or movies that don't even list him as uncredited.

TCM will be showing Central Airport tomorrow morning at 11 am, est. It appears John Wayne had a very small part in this movie and apparently not credited.

Well, the movie was on TV this morning like you said... overall it was a pretty good movie. Duke is uncredited. I didn't watch it close enough to see him because I was more upset about the fact that the audio was lagging by at least 1 second or so and it was very noticeable. The good news is I was able to burn it to a DVD, then pull it off that DVD and encoded it to an avi file. Then using VirtualDubMode software and setting the audio lag to -1000 ms it totally fixed the audio problem. So whatever software you use to fix problems like this, the time you need to set is the audio lags by 1000 ms. Another movie into my collection.

Hi Popol,

Just replied to you other post!

Yes I'm sure, some probably, most are lost.The shame for all us Duke fans is that, it's a pity the film companies, didn't show the same respect
that his fans do!!

Hi Keith

I too am in UK and have some of these you mention a couple of years ago my hubby blesshim transferred all my VHS onto DVD email me at [Only registered and activated users can see links]. perhaps we can help each other out. I am looking for some old radio stuff and would you beleive UK TV stuff? Can get the US stuff no probs but UK stuff is like hens teeth!

Elly

There are about 18 movies before The Big Trail...

These I have on DVD:

The Great K&A Train Robbery - 1926
Brown of Harvard - 1926
The Drop Kick - 1927
Hangman's House - 1928
Salute - 1929
Noah's Ark - 1929
he Black Watch - 1929
Born Reckless - 1930

These I don't but are working on it to get them:

Bardelys the Magnificent - 1926
Annie Laurie - 1927
Mother Machree - 1928
Four Sons - 1928
Words and Music - 1929
Speakeasy - 1929
The Forward Pass - 1929
Rough Romance - 1930
Men Without Women - 1930
Cheer Up and Smile - 1930

Hi

Just joined and know this is an old post but thought I would reply anyway. I might be able to help you out with some of the ones you are looking for email me at [Only registered and activated users can see links].

Elly

Hi

Just joined and know this is an old post but thought I would reply anyway. I might be able to help you out with some of the ones you are looking for email me at [Only registered and activated users can see links].

Elly

I'm sending an email... hold on to your socks. I gotta throw it across the water... :hyper:

hi

my apologies if these questions have been answered already.

RE the above what is the answer whether JW worked on these or not please? was ham hamilton an actor and if so what were these films called please?

what is the general opinion of whether or not they should be included in a filmography?

Is there a filmography and a list of TV appearances here on this site please?

Is there a list of radio and audio on thisd site please?


Thanks

Elly:confused_smile:

Hi Elly,

Welcome to the board.

Interesting point and one that as been discussed before!
Here is our thread relating to that very subject,

Missing Movies, and Movies Before The Big Trail ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

And here is our

Filmography ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

All Movie/TV discussions, can also be found here,

Duke's Movie Discussions ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Thank You

Elly

hello Keith

Sorry but being a newbie (and an oldie) I cant seem to get round the first thread you told me about it is closed?

Re Ham hamilton is this Lloyd Hamilton? if so I read lots of times whilst surfing the net today that he left fox in 1920 and set up his own company educational films. Please could you tell me more about JW and ham hamilton shorts.

thanks again

Elly:confused_smile:

Hi Elly,

Sorry, I've now looked into that,
click again on

Missing Movies and Movies Before The Big Trail ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Look after yourself my new found Geordie friend

Hi Elly,

Save you looking, here is my post on this:-


HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES
two reel comedies from the '20's'

A couple of references, point out that Duke,was a lot busier
with his propping and 'extras' work, then the scant listings of his earlier films suggest.

Tim Lilley, wrote this article in the Big Trail,
and pointed out the following:-

THE FILMS OF JOHN WAYNE
by Ricci/Zmijewsky.1970
for years the standard reference work on John Wayne,
made this interesting statement:-

'Wayne continued working in the prop department(Fox)
and now and then as a stuntman. He also began to get bit parts in Ham Hamilton comedies and Ford films such as HANGMAN'S HOUSE, SALUTE and MEN WITHOUT WOMEN'

This was vindicated by Lee O Miller, the author
of the 1979 book, THE GREAT COWBOY STARS OF MOVIES AND TELEVISION.
Lee O Miller, had the good fortune to interview Duke, and Duke told him:-

'I finally got bit parts in a few other films. Ham Hamilton was the director of those films.
He was a friend of Ford's and the latter asked Hamilton to give me a chance at acting, if he had any bit parts, to cast me in!

Duke also recalled other films he was associated with
BROWN OF HARVARD, NOAH'S ARK.

Although there is no visible proof,that Duke was in these films,
neither is there, for some of the films, we've already listed!!
To include some and not others, may spoil the full 'picture'

Elly,
I have also moved this into Movie Reviews,
which is more suitable for your thread.

All the books I have that show JW's films those are not listed and neither are 4 others from the filmography list on here. I have his film count at 167 where he can be actually seen in the film even if it's very brief. And how can you count small little 20 min. comedy skits? So I don't even include these 5 in my spreadsheets. I checked AFI's Catalog ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and even the giant NY Times FilmTracker ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) both of which are more reputable than IMDB.

1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)
1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)
1931. WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS- (Fox)
1931. THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI- (Fox)

DS,
You have Tim Lilley's book,
and the book listed in my previous post
also mentions them.
You yourself have said that books are more reliable,
as indeed, IMDb, and other internet sources,
do not mention these movies.

You must keep an open mind,
as your views of whether they
should not be included, should not be regarded a gospel.
If our members, speak about these movies,
then they must feel they are of some importance,
and as such should be mentioned!

We try to have a friendly board, where no one member,
becomes an authority,
so It would be rather pleasant, if you refrained from 'knocking' our Filmography,
and try and appreciate the tremendous amount of work
that goes into compiling such posts.

When compiling the Filmography,
we discussed many movies, including the disputable ones,
and it was felt by the Moderators, and members involved,
(including our Les Adams,)
that the Filmography, was good as it can be.

As mentioned previously, we have an interesting thread,
relating to all of this, so I will not discuss this any further!

I'm not "knocking" anything... as many people say on here we are all entitled to our opinions. I simply stated mine and the reason why. I'm saying the majority of the books do not reference these items at all so I use another list which is my choice. I'm sure a lot of work went into a lot of things but there will always be controversy as to what should or shouldn't be counted. That can't be stopped and it shouldn't be stopped since we are all entitled to our opinions. I'll use one final reference, even the official site doesn't list them. And I had nothing to do with that list, Ethan and the office did. They have the other old movies like Annie Laurie, Mother Macgree, Great K&A Train Robbery and others but not the five I mentioned.

If I'm going to be scolded for stating my opinion then what's the use of even posting. And I brought it up in here because this Hamilton shorts is one of the controversies. I'm not flaming or spamming simply stating an opinion. And we'll never agree because we never have agreed since another controversy.

Hi Ds and EthanEdwards

My apologies if I have opened a can of worms but it seems to me that the early JW films are a bit of a can of worms in themselves!

I am awaiting a copy of the Fred landesman filmography but I beleive that he does not list the Ham hamilton films but does list the other four?

Also as far as I can ascertain Ham Hamilton was lloyd Hamilton aka "Lloyd V. Hamilton"
birth name "Lloyd Vernon Hamilton" I have copied below 3 short bios I found re him.

IMDB credits him as a director only of five films was JW at Fox during this time? Was hamilton at Fox at the time of Directing these films?

I AM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS TO ENGENDER DEBATE AND PERHAPS REACH A CONCLUSION!
Director:

F.O.B. ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1923)
Uneasy Feet ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1923)
Ghost Hounds ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1917)
The Bogus Booking Agents ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1916)
The Sauerkraut Symphony ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1916) (as Lloyd V. Hamilton)
I am still none the wiser but I am prepared to note these shorts in my own list as QED.

I do agree with is IMDB is not the most accurate place to get information but with a lack of concensus in reference books and amongst experts regarding a Comprehensive filmography, it is not so bad.

I hope that we can keep the subject open as i am sure if we are to get any more information re these shorts it will come from the members of this forum.

Thank you

Elly

Lloyd Hamilton ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
The life and career of Lloyd "Ham" Hamilton (1887-1935) reminds me of the gag in a Woody Allen movie. . . the one where (after he has faced a firing squad), asked "what happened?", Woody replies, "I got screwed!" Hamilton, ever-wearing a squashed-looking cap and ragged topcoat while walking as if constricted by tight underwear, appeared in a couple of hundred short films and a handful of features. No less than Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton praised the portly comic to the skies. But fate was rotten to Hamilton both during and after his lifetime. An infamous Fox vault fire destroyed most of the Oakland-born comic's prime work: the classic two-reelers he starred for the "Mermaid Comedies" unit from 1920-1931.
Hamilton is a true original, quite different from his contemporaries (for one thing, he looks much older, more reminiscent of W.C. Fields, Jackie Gleason, or Rodney Dangerfield), subtle and deliberate in his technique. Like Harry Langdon, his timing and pacing differ from the rest of the comedy world - and the universe as well. The modus operandi of his besieged but only somewhat daunted character (one of the inspirations for Gleason's "Poor Soul") is "everything happens to me". And like Rodney, he got no respect.
Thanks to the tireless efforts of film archivists and private collectors, a few "Ham" Hamilton shorts exist. While not enough material exists to form an overview of his career as a whole, the lucky historians who've screened the surviving Hamilton comedies agree on one thing: they are devastatingly funny, right there with the best that the "Golden Age Of Comedy" had to offer.
Lloyd Vernon Hamilton was born in California on August 19, 1891 and by 1913 had realized his dream to become an actor by making his film debut for the Lubin Company that year. His first flirting with fame came in the form of playing a character named “Pretzel” in a series entitled Frontier Comedies cranked out by the St. Louis Film Company. Later that year, he would be hired by the Kalem Company and teamed with a diminutive comic named Bud Duncan to act in support of stars Ruth Roland and Marshall Neilan. The two comics became so popular that they were spun-off into their own series of two-reelers (the Ham Comedies), of which more than 100 were made between 1914-17. When Kalem folded in 1917, Lloyd moved on to Fox, appearing in Henry Lehrman’s Sunshine Comedies—and it was here that he began to develop his “everyman” character. While at Fox, he made the acquaintance of a director named Jack White, who convinced Hamilton to strike out on their own in 1920. They formed their own company, with their shorts released by Educational Pictures. As described by film historian Massa: “Best described as a mama’s boy, he was prissy and courtly in a flat, checkered pancake cap, with a swishy duck-waddle walk that became his trademark…as he waddled along in his pancake cap he always seemed to be gently trying to sidestep the cruel fate that was forever nipping at his heels.”

From 1920 to 1928, the Lloyd Hamilton comedies were among the most popular two-reelers released in theaters. Hamilton himself had many characteristics associated with Buster Keaton (a sort of dry, deadpan facial expression) and Charley Chase (Robert Youngson once described Chase’s career on-screen as “one long embarrassing moment”—but the same could apply to Hamilton as well). Were it not for “the cruel fate that was forever nipping at his heels,” Lloyd might very well be considered among the pantheon of silent comedy greats. But several factors conspired against him: first, he was never able to make the leap into silent features like Chaplin, Keaton and Lloyd—his two 1924 attempts, His Darker Self ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (a two-reel version—the only extant evidence of Ham’s feature career, is included on the LNL set) and A Self-Made Failure ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), did dismal business at the box office....

I am also waiting for my copy of the filmography you mentioned... the table of contents alone has me drooling waiting to see the back sections of the book. I don't think anything will change but I do want a good listing by release date and revenue numbers.

Table of Contents
Acknowledgments................................... ...............................v
Introduction...................................... .....................................1
The Films of John Wayne............................................. ...........7
Appendix A....The Films in Order of Release.......................417
Appendix B....Unrealized Films with John Wayne as Star....419
Appendix C....The Biggest Box Office Hits..........................423
Appendix D....The Films Most Popular on Television...........425
Bibliography...................................... .................................427
Index............................................. .....................................435

I am awaiting a copy of the Fred landesman filmography but I beleive that he does not list the Ham hamilton films but does list the other four?
Elly,
In checking our Fred Landesman filmography,
he does list;
Strong Boy 1929
Lonestar Ranger 1930
Sweetheart of Sigma Chi 1933 (vs 1931)

At least in the alphabetical listing of titles with full details, and in Appendix A (The Films in Order of Release), we didn't find Ham Hamilton's comedies or Women of All Nations. He may make mention of those somewhere, but I haven't encountered that yet (and neither entry is in the index, either).

Let the controversy continue! :jump:

Chester :newyear:

Thanks Chester

I have had this book on order for five months! Amazon keeps pushing bck the delivery date!

So given that the Landesman book mentions 3 of the "Famous Five" or should I say Infamous?

What#s a girl to do? I thought about this and whilst I appreciate that some folks are only interested in movies I am in all of JW work. So I have decided to cal it a "Body of work" and include all movies, (including those where JW is producer) TV, radio and audio. I shall include the five above with notes about the few referecnes i have found.

Then I can sort it alphabetically or by year or by genre.

Making the list is of course the easy part, finding copies of everything on the list has so far taken me the best part of 20 years and there are still big gaps. But it's great fun looking


Elly :laugh:

Thanks Chester

I have had this book on order for five months! Amazon keeps pushing bck the delivery date!

So given that the Landesman book mentions 3 of the "Famous Five" or should I say Infamous?

What#s a girl to do? I thought about this and whilst I appreciate that some folks are only interested in movies I am in all of JW work. So I have decided to cal it a "Body of work" and include all movies, (including those where JW is producer) TV, radio and audio. I shall include the five above with notes about the few references i have found.

Then I can sort it alphabetically or by year or by genre.

Making the list is of course the easy part, finding copies of everything on the list has so far taken me the best part of 20 years and there are still big gaps. But it's great fun looking


Elly :laugh:

I found the book cheaper on Barnes and Noble... $31.96 And I'm suppose to get it in a couple days. I basically want it for the release order but my list won't change. I spent over an hour last night and went through every book I have that has Duke's filmography in it... some of them don't even have the last dozen or so movies since they came out before Duke passed but even those never mentioned the 5 in question. AFI, NYTimes, UCLA Archive, about 6 books with a filmography, Official JW Site are all the places I checked. If they are listed in this book I'm waiting for it will be the first that lists them.

There are a handful of movies that will never be complete, the UCLA archives show which ones are for instance missing reels and such. Some are in very poor condition. If you ever give up on Amazon try B&N, I know they have it.

hello Everyone

Can I suggest we try to have a "sticky" list of the truly lost or very rare JW films please?

I am talking about the 15 to 20 generally acknowledged as in these categories mostly very early.

I myself have done quite a bit of research on the films and I have notes and references to where it came from.

Always very happy to share with others and make life a bit easier for folks looking for things.

thank you

Elly

Hi Elly,
Your wish is our command!
We already have this thread and discussion,
and you've already taken part in it.
However I have now made it 'sticky'
This topic, has also always been of interest to me.
Hope this helps?

Hey guys, I'm new to your forum but I have enjoyed John Wayne Films for over 40 years. I've collected his films and admired his attitude and American Spirit and wish more people had it. It's good to see fans and admirers keeping his memory alive. If anyone is looking for some of his Old and Rare films from the late 20's to late 20's, I have them all on DVD. Except the ones that are lost forever.

Keith, if your interested in Old, Rare Films of John Wayne, I have all of the ones that are not lost forever on DVD. Just thought I would let you know. Thanks, Ron!

Hi All

I noticed as seller on ebay from Australia selling some rare John Wayne movies on DVD.

I forgot to put it on my waych list so I will wait until he surfaces again.

This seller is selling videos at present. If Elly is reading he has a couple of the titles you were after. Men without Women and Bardelays the Magnificent.

Mike

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Another seller selling DVDs

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Hi Big Guy 56

Warm Welcome to the Forum. Hope to see you about.

Best

Mike

Also A Warm Welcome. But You Stated You Have Rare Dvd's From The Late 20's To The Late 20's?

Hi Mike

thanks for the tip.

I have both a region free video player and a region free DVD player so no problem for me where in the world things come from.

Will go and check it out now.

Elly

Hi

Might help if you gave us a short list of his real old ones like Noahs Ark Bardelys the Magnificent etc to name just a couple



Regards

Arthur

Hi Elly,
Your wish is our command!
We already have this thread and discussion,
and you've already taken part in it.
However I have now made it 'sticky'
This topic, has also always been of interest to me.
Hope this helps?

Hi Keith

I am so impressed at the speed of response, almost before I asked this time.

Please can the LIST be the first thing on the sticky or be sticky on its own with a short comment next to each title as to why it is unavailable eg considered to be "Lost" or only know print in Library of congress etc.

I am very happy to let you have my research notes and references etc.

Thanks again

the Gerodie Pain:teeth_smile:

Elly

Hey guys, I'm new to your forum but I have enjoyed John Wayne Films for over 40 years. I've collected his films and admired his attitude and American Spirit and wish more people had it. It's good to see fans and admirers keeping his memory alive. If anyone is looking for some of his Old and Rare films from the late 20's to late 20's, I have them all on DVD. Except the ones that are lost forever.

Hi and a warm welcome to you from a recent newbie

I also have been a long time fan and I am very interested in the rare or lost films.

this is my "wanted" list and I suspect that most JW fans have a similar list! I have all of the other films and tons of TV stuff on DVD. I would be very interested in trading with you.

PLEASE, make my year and tell me you have at least one of them 20+ years I have been looking:teeth_smile:

AND today is my darling grand daughters first birthday and she is already a JW fan so she will also get to watch!!

Elly

1937 Adventure’s End
1927 Annie Laurie
1930 Cheer up and Smile
1931 Deceiver, the
1946 Desert Command (Feature film version of Three Musketeers Serial from 1934)
1929 Forward Pass
1931 Girls Demand Excitement
1932 Hollywood Handicap, the
1930 Lone Star Ranger, the
1940 Meet the stars Cowboy Jubilee
1941 Meet the stars number 8 aka Stars Past and Present
1952 Miracle in Motion ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
1936 Oregon Trail, the
1932 Running Hollywood ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
1929 Speakeasy
1929 Strong Boy
1933 Sweetheart of Sigma Chi
1932 That’s my Boy
1931 Three Girls Lost
1932 Voice of Hollywood no 13, The
1929 Words and Music

Hi Ellie

As I was one of the original contributers to ths topic in 2005 - was it really that long ago- I would certainly be interested in seeing your research notes.

Fred Landesman's work will be worth the wait it is very good and as an authority he worked in very close collaboration with Tim Lilley even visiting him in Akron from California and used Tim's notes from his Big Trail series.

Hope to hear from you soon

Best Regards

Arthur

Thanks Arthur,
and yes Elly, we would love to see your list.

In answer to your PM, this thread is 'sticky'
but cannot be stuck to the top of the list,
but will probably be there anyway, as each post is made.

Hi Ron,

Can you please post a list, as to the one's you've got!

Hi Ron,

Hope you don't mind, we almost have two parallel threads going
on, about basically the same topic!
I have, therefore, merged your thread into the original one!

Thanks

The Missing or Rare Movies, still seems to centre around this list,
so just to refresh our memories again,here it is:-

Please make any comments, and if these movies are available,
let us know, and we can then narrow the list down,
to what's really 'missing'

1926.BARDLEYS THE MAGNIFICENT ****No Complete print known to exist. Approx 30 minutes survives.
1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM)***Restored print in Library of Congress

1927. THE DROP KICK - (First National) Uncredited but visibly seen.
1927. THE GREAT K&A TRAIN ROBBERY- (Fox)
1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox)***No complete print known to exist (two reels missing)
1928. FOUR SONS- (Fox)***No Print Known considered LOST
1928. HANGMAN'S HOUSE -(Fox) Uncredited, but visibly seen.
1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)***No Print Known considered LOST
1928. NOAH'S ARK- (Warner Brothers/First National)
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)***No Print Known considered LOST
1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox)***No Print Known considered LOST
1929. THE BLACK WATCH- (Fox)***No Print Known considered LOST
1929. WORDS AND MUSIC- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison***No Print Known considered LOST
1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National)***No print known to exist Considered LOST
1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)***Print in UCLA
1930. MEN WITHOUT WOMEN-(Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1930. BORN RECKLESS- (Fox)
1930. ROUGH ROMANCE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1930. CHEER UP AND SMILE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison***Preserved copy in UCLA
1931. WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS- (Fox)
1931. THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI- (Fox)** Print is known to exist
1931. GIRLS DEMAND EXCITEMENT- (Fox)**** Print in UCLA
1931. THREE GIRLS LOST- (Fox)*** Print in UCLA
1931. THE DECEIVER- (Columbia)***** Print is known to exist
1936. THE OREGON TRAIL*** No known prints exists, considered LOST
1937. ADVENTURES END- (Universal)***Considered LOST
1946. DESERT COMMAND (Feature film version of Three Musketeers Serial)

Also from Elly's post:-

1932 Hollywood Handicap, the 20 minute short (survival status unknown)
1932 Running Hollywood 20 minute short (survival status unknown
1932 Voice of Hollywood no 13, The 12 minute short (survival status unknown)

Good comprehensive list Keith. It is unlikely that any of the pre 1930 material is about or likely to become available.

When you consider that 50% of ALL the film output before 1950 has already been lost we should be grateful that so much of John Wayne's output is still available.

Mike

The Missing or Rare Movies, still seems to centre around this list,
so just to refresh our memories again,here it is:-

Please make any comments, and if these movies are available,
let us know, and we can then narrow the list down,
to what's really 'missing'

Hello Keith Arthur and all other interested parties:teeth_smile:

I meant to post this last night but as it has been a long while since I did any research I went round my pals again to see if there was anything new. I am awaiting a couple of replies so this is what I know for SURE is missing or unavailable. I can say this with certainty because EVERYTHING else on the filmography posted elsewhere on this site I have a copy of in my collection.

I know I have said that I was looking for other films not on the list posted below (eg Maker of men) but I asked because the copy I have is poor and I was looking for a better copy. Really I am looking for 19 complete movies and 2 part movies. (ignoring the Ham Hamilton shorts only recently brought to light!)

I am hoping to have the list of my complete collection tidied up for posting here later this week.

kind regards

Elly

1926 Bardelys the magnificent No Complete print known to exist. Approx 30 minutes survives. I have the JW clip and the trailer

1928 Mother Machree No complete print known to exist (two reels missing) I have an incomplete copy of about 30 mins

1927 Annie Laurie Restored print in Library of Congress

1929 Forward Pass, the No print known to exist Considered LOST

1929 Speakeasy No print known to exist Considered LOST

1929 Strong Boy No print known to exist Considered LOST

1929 Words and Music No print known to exist Considered LOST

1930 Cheer up and Smile Preserved copy in UCLA

1930 Lone Star Ranger, the Print in UCLA

1931 Deceiver, the ** Print is known to exist

1931 Girls Demand Excitement Print in UCLA

1931Three Girls Lost Print in UCLA

1932 Hollywood Handicap, the 20 minute short (survival status unknown)

1932 Running Hollywood 20 minute short (survival status unknown)

1932 That’s my Boy ** Print is known to exist

1932 Voice of Hollywood no 13, The 12 minute short (survival status unknown)

1933 Sweetheart of Sigma Chi ** Print is known to exist

1936 Oregon Trail, the No print known to exist Considered LOST

1937 Adventure’s End ***Considered LOST

1940 Meet the stars Cowboy Jubilee 10 minute short (survival status unknown)

1941 Meet the stars # 8: Stars Past and Present 9 minute short, Print in UCLA


NB: NOT including Ham Hamilton shorts which need more research.

** I cannot yet establish where this print exists, but definitely not available from any dealers or traders

*** I heard a rumour recently that a private collector in Canada may have a print but will not even loan it to AFI. I am trying to get confirmation of this.

Main sources of information

AFI: the American Film Institute

BFI: British Film Institute

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Fred Landesman's John Wayne Filmography, the

Hi Elly,

Thanks for such a detailed list, and information,
I will edit your comments into our list above,
so now it's more concise,

Speak soon

Hi Keith

I will put some note re some of these films into one post for each of them.

Starting with this one

Elly

Hollywood Handicap
Thalians Club / Universal (1932)

During his time at the MGM studio, Buster Keaton directed three shorts, all of them produced by Louis Lewyn, whose specialty was combining newsreel footage with musical numbers (he was also married to Marion Mack, Keaton's co-star in The General). This one-reeler is typical of Lewyn's work, and a woeful comedown for Keaton. The Original Sing Band star as a group of stable boys who are working for a colonel. The Colonel owns a line of racehorses, but he winds up auctioning them all off, except for Susie Q, who he gives to the stable boys. The boys raise the fee to enter Susie Q in the Hollywood Handicap. The race is well-attended by movie stars (basically newsreel footage of Mickey Rooney, Oliver Hardy, Dorothy Lamour, John Wayne, Bing Crosby, and a host of others). When their horse falls behind, the stable boys start singing to encourage her to go faster. Instead, the horse starts dancing and she still loses the race. Luckily for the stable boys, a talent scout has seen Susie Q's performance and wants to use her in a circus film. 20 minutes

More information re above

Elly

Cowboy Jubilee, Screen Snapshots Series 19, No. 8:
Director: Harriet Parsons
Writer: Ralph Staub
Release Date: 7 June 1940 (USA)
10 minute short also featuring the Meglin Kiddies, Gene Autry and Roy Rogers.

Meet the Stars #8: Stars Past and Present (1941)
Director: Harriet Parsons
Release Date: 24 July 1941 (USA)
Run time: 9 minutes
Plot Summary: Stars past and present gather to take part in the ceremonies at the dedication of Republic's new sound stage to the memory of Mabel Normand.

Cast
Harriet Parsons ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Narrator
Walter Abel ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Gene Autry ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Richard Bennett ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Jack Buetel ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Smiley Burnette ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Judy Canova ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
Chester Conklin ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
William Farnum ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Louise Fazenda ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
George 'Gabby' Hayes ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Brenda Joyce ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
Mary Lee ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
Mary Martin ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
Ilona Massey ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
Ann Miller ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
Patricia Morison ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
Jack Mulhall ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Charles Murray ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Mabel Normand ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself (archive footage)
William T. Orr ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Eddie Quillan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Charles Ray ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Cesar Romero ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
Jane Russell ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Herself
Mack Sennett ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself
John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Himself

Running Hollywood
Thalians Club / Universal (1932)

Director: Charles Lamont
Plot: Comedy
Cast: Charles 'Buddy' Rogers, Arthur Lake, John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Sessue Hayakawa, Louise Fazenda
Charles Murray (as Charlie Murray), George Sidney, Noah Beery, Vivien Oakland, Leo Carrillo
Gertrude Astor, Ralph Ince, 'Little Billy' Rhodes, (as Little Billy), Mary Carr, Claude Gillingwater
Sally Blane, Benny Rubin, Virginia Sale 20 minutes

The voice of Hollywood no 13
Tiffany Productions (1932)
A fictional radio station, Station S*T*A*R, provides an excuse for a parade of novelty and variety acts by stars big and small. 12 minutes. John Wayne was announcer.

BARDELYS THE MAGNIFICENT.

1926. Directed by King Vidor.

John Gilbert, Eleanor Boardman, Roy D'Arcy, Lionel Belmore, Emily Fitzroy, George K. Arthur, Arthur Lubin, Theodore von Eltz, Karl Dane, Edward Connelly, Fred Malatesta, John T. Murray, Joe Smith Marba, Daniel G. Tomlinson, Emile Chautard, John Wayne (as a Guard).

Mother Machree
(1928) American
B&W : Seven reels
Directed by John Ford

Cast: Belle Bennett [Ellen McHugh], Neil Hamilton [Brian McHugh/Brian van Studdiford], Philippe de Lacy [Brian McHugh, as child], Pat Somerset [Robert De Puyster], Victor McLaglen [Terence O'Dowd], Ted McNamara [Harpist of Wexford], John MacSweeney , Eulalie Jensen [Rachel van Studdiford], Constance Howard [Edith Cutting], Ethel Clayton [Mrs. Cutting], William Platt [Pips], Jacques Rollens [Signor Bellini], Rodney Hildebrand [Brian McHugh Sr.], Joyce Wirard [Edith Cutting, as child], Robert Parrish [child], John Wayne

Fox Film Corporation production; distributed by Fox Film Corporation. / Scenario by Gertrude Orr, from the novel [I]Mother Machree by Rita Johnson Young. Cinematography by Chester Lyons. Intertitles by Katharine Hilliker and H.H. Caldwell. Edited by Katharine Hilliker and H.H. Caldwell. Music score by S.L. Rothafel and Erno Rapee. / Premiere at the Globe Theatre in New York, New York on March 5, 1928. / Standard 35mm spherical 1.37:1 format. Western Electric Movietone sound-on-film sound system. / The film was originally shot in September 1926. John Wayne's appearance is unbilled. / Silent film, with synchronized music and sound effects. Fragmentary print exists (reels one, two and five) in the Library of Congress film archive; reels three and four are presumed lost.

Annie Laurie ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) ([Only registered and activated users can see links]))
(1927) American
C/B&W : Nine reels / 2661 metres
Directed by John S. Robertson
Cast: Lillian Gish [Annie Laurie], Norman Kerry [Ian MacDonald], Creighton Hale [Donald], Joseph Striker [Alastair], Hobart Bosworth [MacDonald chieftain], Patricia Avery [Enid], Russell Simpson [Sandy], Brandon Hurst [Campbell chieftain], David Torrence [Sir Robert Laurie], Frank Currier [Cameron of Lochiel], Richard Alexander [MacDonald clan member], Mary Gordon [first midwife], Margaret Mann [second midwife], Henry Kolker [King’s representative], Major Roup, [?] John Wayne?
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Corporation production; distributed by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Distributing Corporation. / Scenario by Josephine Lovett, from a story by Josephine Lovett. Art direction by Cedric Gibbons and Merrill Pye. Costume design by André-ani. Cinematography by Oliver T. Marsh. Intertitles by Marian Ainslee and Ruth Cummings. Edited by William Hamilton. / Released 11 May 1927. / Standard 35mm spherical 1.37:1 format. Technicolor two-strip color process sequence. / Gish’s third MGM film. The film was rediscovered in 1987 when a private collector donated a print to the Oregon Historical Society who then turned it over to a national archive for preservation. Technicolor appears in the final reel. / Silent film.

The Forward Pass
(1929) American
B&W : Eight reels
Directed by Eddie Cline

Cast: Douglas Fairbanks Jr., Loretta Young, Guinn "Big Boy" Williams, Marion Byron, Phyllis Crane, Bert Rome, Lane Chandler, Allan Lane, Floyd Shackleford, the University of Southern California football team

Distributed by First National Pictures, Incorporated. / Scenario by Howard Emmett Rogers, from a story by Harvey Gates. / Standard 35mm spherical 1.37:1 format. Western Electric Vitaphone sound-on-disk sound system. / The film was also released in a silent version. / Full-sound film.

Speakeasy

Directed by Benjamin Stoloff ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Written by Frederick Hazlitt Brennan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Edwin J. Burke ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Starring Lola Lane ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Paul Page ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Release date(s) 1929 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Running time 62 min.
Country United States ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Language English ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Speakeasy was a 1929 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) sports film ([Only registered and activated users can see links])drama ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) directed by Benjamin Stoloff ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) adapted by Frederick Hazlitt Brennan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Edwin J. Burke ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). Lola Lane ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Paul Page ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) played the lead roles and the film also starred John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) who had a minor role in the film at age 22.
Cast
Lola Lane ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Alice Woods
Paul Page ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Paul Martin
Sharon Lynn ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Mazie
Warren Hymer ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Cannon Delmont
Helen Ware ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Min
Henry B. Walthall ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Piano player
Stuart Erwin ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Cy Williams
James Guilfoyle ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Davey
Erville Alderson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as City Editor
Joseph Cawthorn ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Yokel
Ivan Linow ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Wrestler
Marjorie Beebe ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Speakeasy Patron
Sailor Vincent ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Speakeasy Patron
Helen Lynch ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as Speakeasy Patron
John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Much of this drama is comprised of newsreel footage. It chronicles the exploits of a luckless college prize-fighter attempting to go professional. Unfortunately he is exploited by his dishonest manager. The innocent pugilist is eventually befriended and assisted by a pretty reporter who helps free him from his wicked
manager. During the big fight, the fighter takes a real lickin' when he discovers that the reporter has not come to the fight. This is a very early talkie.

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Strong Boy
(1929) American
B&W : Feature film
Directed by John Ford ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Cast: Victor McLaglen [William ‘Strong Boy’ Bloss], Leatrice Joy ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) [Mary McGregor], Clyde Cook [Pete], Slim Summerville [Slim], Kent Sanderson [Wilbur Watkins], Tom Wilson , Jack Pennick [baggageman], Eulalie Jensen [the queen], David Torrence [railroad president], J. Farrell MacDonald [Angus McGregor], Dolores Johnson [usherette], Douglas Scott [Wobby], Robert Ryan [porter]
Fox Film Corporation production; distributed by Fox Film Corporaton. / Scenario by James Kevin McGuiness, Andrew Bennison and John McLain, from a story by Frederick Hazlett Brennan. Cinematography by Joseph H. August. Intertitles by Malcolm Stuart Boylan. Presented by William Fox. / Standard 35mm spherical 1.37:1 format. / Silent film.

Survival Status: The film is presumed lost ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) [B](a print may exist in Australia).

In this comedy drama, an enormous baggage handler earns the reputation of being an all-'round good joe and soon gets promoted. He is in love with Joy, a pretty newsstand girl. Despite his good work, which includes stopping a train robbery, she realizes that her lovable lug will never rise to become the white-collar worker he aspires to become. ~ Sandra Brennan, All Movie Guide

Summary:
Strong Boy, a baggage handler in a railroad station, saves the child of a railroad vice president from being crushed by a trunk and is promoted to the head of the lost-and-found department. Mary McGregor, his sweetheart, becomes disgusted and walks out on him. Strong Boy later returns a pearl necklace to a movie star and is again promoted, this time to the position of fireman on the locomotive of which Mary's father is the engineer. Strong Boy prevents a holdup and is forgiven by Mary, whom he marries. AFI

Words and Music
1929 - William Fox Studio
Main Cast: Lois Moran, David Percy, Helen Twelvetrees, William Orlamond. Directed by James Tingling.
This was Duke's first movie in which he was given billing, and his last known silent movie. He was billed as Duke Morrison, and played Pete Donahue. It was also his first movie with Ward Bond, who became his best friend. The movie, a college musical, was first released as a silent film, and later with sound.
WORDS AND MUSIC


Fox Film Corp., 1929. Directed by James Tinling. Camera: Charles Clarke. With Lois Moran, David Percy, Helen Twelvetrees, William Orlamond, Elizabeth Patterson, Duke Morrison, Ward Bond ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Richard Keene, Frank Albertson, Muriel Gardner, Bobby Renee, Wilma Wray.

Fraternity brothers Phil Denning and Pete Donahue are competing to have campus sweetheart Mary Brown lead their musical numbers in the college's annual revue. Phil wins out, but Mary gets involved in a practical joke directed toward the straitlaced dean of women and is about to be exposed by Dorothy Blake, who sets as the price of her silence the leading part in Tom's number.
A good sport, Mary joins Pete's skit and helps make it a success. Then, when she hears about Dorothy's ruse, Mary boldly confesses to Dean Crockett that she is responsible for the practical joke, replaces Dorothy in Phil's number, and wins the contest for him. AFI

Cheer up and Smile 1930

A pre-Dagwood Arthur Lake ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) plays a hapless hayseed who becomes a popular crooner in this fluffy musical comedy that begins during the robbery of a big-city radio station. There the gunman forces him to sing on the air. The audience loves him and he is an instant star. Delighted with his sudden success, the bumpkin sends for his beloved pumpkin back home so they can marry. The young singer's boss, afraid that married life will steal away his new-found gravy train, tries his darnedest to break the young lovers up and even convinces a seductress to ruin the youth. Look closely for John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in a bit part. Songs include: "The Shindig," "Where Can You Be?" and "You May Not Like It But It's A Great Idea." ~ Sandra Brennan, All Movie Guide


Cast
Dixie Lee ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Margie
Arthur Lake ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Eddie Fripp
Olga Baclanova ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Yvonne
Charles Judels ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Pierre
Whispering Jack Smith ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Himself
Johnny Arthur ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Andy
John Darrow ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Tom
Sumner Getchell ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Paul
Buddy Messinger ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Donald
Franklin Pangborn ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Professor
Jack Smith ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Himself
John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links])


Crew
Sidney Lanfield ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Director
Howard J. Green ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Screenwriter
Joseph A. Valentine ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Cinematographer
Al Rockett ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Associate Producer
Ralph Dietrich ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Editor
Richard Cornell ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Short Story Author
Jesse Greer ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Songwriter
Ray Klages ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Songwriter

The Lone Star Ranger 1930

Director: A.F. Erickson ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Starring: George O'Brien ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) , Sue Carol ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) , Russell Simpson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) , Warren Hymer ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Released: 1930 ( USA ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) )
Run Time: 64 min.
Genre: Action ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Western ([Only registered and activated users can see links])


A superior entry in western star George O'Brien ([Only registered and activated users can see links])'s Zane Grey ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) series for Fox Studios. Lensed on location in Utah's Monument Valley (long before it was "adopted" by John Ford ([Only registered and activated users can see links])), the film was adapted for the screen by Zane Grey ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) from a novel by Max Brand, which had previously done service as a Tom Mix ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) vehicle (and would later be remade by Fox with John Kimbrough ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in the lead). At the outset of the film, Buck Duane (O'Brien) is an outlaw, but upon rescuing Mary Aldridge (Sue Carol ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) from a runaway stagecoach, he vows to turn over a new leaf. He takes to ranching, whereupon the governor offers him a pardon -- if he will agree to lasso a gang of cattle rustlers. What no one knows is that the leader of the outlaws is Mary's father Colonel Aldridge (Russell Simpson ([Only registered and activated users can see links])). There are plenty of well-rehearsed thrills in Lone Star Ranger ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), but the film's most charming moment is purely spontaneous: upon meeting Sue Carol ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) for the first time, a shirtless George O'Brien ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) instinctively sucks in his stomach! ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide

Prints of the sound and silent versions of this film survives in the UCLA Film and Television Archives.

The Deceiver
Crime & Espionage, 1hr 6min
1931

Synopsis
Most of The Deceiver ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) takes place in the Broadway theater where matinee idol Thorpe (Ian Keith ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) is starring in a production of Othello ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). A rat with women, Thorpe has scattered broken female hearts all along the Great White Way, giving lots of people plenty of incentive to murder him. Sure enough, he is murdered, as is another fellow who holds a vital clue as to the identity of the killer. Second-guessing the detectives, hero Tony (Lloyd Hughes ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) tries to solve the mystery himself, if only to clear heroine Ina (Dorothy Sebastian ([Only registered and activated users can see links])) of suspicion. The guilty party is tricked into confessing by the cagey Tony. ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide


Cast
Lloyd Hughes ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Tony Hill
Dorothy Sebastian ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Ina Fontanne
Ian Keith ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Reginald Thorpe
Natalie Moorhead ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Mrs. Lawton
Richard Tucker ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Mr. Lawton
George Byron ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Speedy
Greta Granstedt ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Celia Adams
Murray Kinnell ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Breckenridge
DeWitt Jennings ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Insp. Dunn
Allan Garcia ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Payne
Harvey Clark ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Nat Phillips
Sidney Bracey ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Barney
Nick Copeland ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Stage manager
Colin Campbell ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Dr. Schulz
John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Richard Thorpe as a corpse

Girls Demand Excitement 1931

No relation to the 1935 Mascot programmer of the same name, Girls Demand Excitement offers an early starring appearance by John Wayne. The Duke is cast as college basketball player Peter Brooks, who's in love with sports-happy Joan Madison (Virginia Cherrill). Their hot-and-cold relationship culminates in a boys-against-the-girls basketball match, a scene only slightly less ridiculous than an early sequence in which a bunch of sexually integrated psychology students are assigned to test the "emotional reaction" to a group necking session! Evidently designed as a musical, Girls Demand Excitement contains no songs whatsoever, robbing future generations of the spectacle of John Wayne serenading his lady love. With films like these, it's no wonder that Wayne had to start his career all over again in cheap westerns. ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide
Starring: Virginia Cherrill ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Marguerite Churchill ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Helen Jerome Eddy ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), more cast ([Only registered and activated users can see links]_cast)
Directed By: Seymour Felix ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Released By: Unknown
Run Time: 64 min.
Genre: Comedy

Three Girls Lost
Drama, 1hr 12min
1931
Synopsis
Even before the Fox Studios merged with 20th Century Productions in 1935, the company was dedicated to the proposition that three leading ladies were better than one. The "Three Girls Lost" of the title are played by Loretta Young, Joyce Compton and Joan Marsh. Lovely Loretta and wisecracking Joyce do all right by themselves when they leave their home town for wicked old Chicago. Alas, Joan falls in with thieves and sharpsters, forcing the other two girls to help her out. Of particular interest is the presence in the cast of 24-year-old John Wayne, amusingly miscast as a well-groomed socialite. ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide


Cast
Loretta Young ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Noreen McMann
John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Gordon Wales
Lew Cody ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) William Marriott
Joyce Compton ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Edna Best
Joan Marsh ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Marcia Tallant
Kathrin Clare Ward ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Mrs. McGree
Paul Fix ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Tony

That’s my boy 1932
1hr 11min
1932
Synopsis
A young football hero learns valuable life lessons on the way to becoming a pro in this sports drama. Tommy is a promising player who is working his way through college. He quickly becomes a star on the campus grid-iron, but when he gets entangled in a stock swindle, he nearly destroys his budding career. Fortunately, Tommy smartens up and pays back all of the money he gained when he inadvertently cheated some innocent investors. The USC national championship football team of 1931 appears in the film. ~ Sandra Brennan, All Movie Guide

Cast
Richard Cromwell ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Tommy
Dorothy Jordan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Dorothy
Arthur Stone ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Pop
Douglas Dumbrille ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Adams
Lucien Littlefield ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Uncle Louie
Russell Saunders ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Pinkie
Sumner Getchell ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Carl
Otis Harlan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Mayor
Dutch Hendrian ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Hap
Douglas Haig ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Tommy as a Boy
Leon Ames ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Al Williams
Joan Marsh ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Sweetheart of Sigma Chi ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 1933

A college movie that concentrates on the romances between the coeds and the fraternity guys. Carlisle plays the hard-to-get, though very flirtatious, girl who succumbs to the embraces of Crabbe, fraternity rowing star. Starrett also makes a pretty good bid for Carlisle's affections. Pleasant and unpretentious, with a few witty bits of humor added for flavor. Songs include: "Fraternity Walk," "It's Spring Again" (George Waggner, Ed Ward), "Five Minutes More" (Jule Styne, Sammy Cahn), "Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" (Byron D. Stokes, F. Dudleigh Vernor).

Year: 1933
Rated NR
Parental Rating: Acceptable for children
TV Guide Rating:
Country of Origin: U.S.
Genre: Musical
Format: Black & White
Production Co(s).: Monogram
Running Time: 77
British Title: GIRL OF MY DREAMS

CAST


Mary Carlisle ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Vivian
Buster Crabbe ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Bob North
Charles Starrett ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Morley
Florence Lake ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Dizzy
Eddie Tamblyn ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Coxswain
Sally Starr ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Madge
Mary Blackford ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Bunny
Tom Dugan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Trainer
Burr McIntosh ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Professor
Major Goodsell ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Coach
Grady Sutton ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Pledge
Purnell Pratt ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Doctor
Franklin Parker ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): House Prexy
Ted Fio Rito and His Orchestra ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Their Self
Leif Erickson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Their Self
Betty Grable ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Their Self
Bill Carey ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Their Self
Muzzy Marcellino ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Their Self
The Three Midshipmen ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Their Self
The Blue Keys ([Only registered and activated users can see links]): Their Self

The Oregon trail 1936

U. S. Army Captain John Delmont takes a leave of absence to find out what happened to his missing father. Later he leads a wagon train to California and goes after the bad guys involved in his father's disappearance.

Directed by ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Scott Pembroke ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Cast ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Capt John Delmont
Ann Rutherford ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Anne Ridgeley
Joseph W. Girard ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Col. Delmont (as Joe Girard)
Yakima Canutt ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Tom Richards
Frank Rice ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Red
E.H. Calvert ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Jim Ridgeley

Etc…

Ad venture's End


Theatrical Release 1/1/1937 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Studio Universal Pictures ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Director Arthur Lubin ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Starring:John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Diana Gibson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Moroni Olsen ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Montagu Love ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), more cast ([Only registered and activated users can see links]_cast)
Directed By: Arthur Lubin ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Run Time: 68 min.
Genre: Action and Adventure, Drama

In the South Seas, Seaman Duke (John Wayne) boards a whaler, and asks the owner, Capt. Drew (Montague Love) and his daughter Janet (Diana Gibson) to look after the pearls he's gathered. Drew, who's dying, persuades Duke to marry Janet to prevent her from marrying crewman Rand (Moroni Olsen), who's thereafter suspicious of Duke. When the crew learns Duke knows where more pearls are, they want to go after them, but Duke sides with Janet, who's after whales, though he's still opposed by Rand. Eventually, incited by Blackie (Maurice Black), the crew mutinies, forcing Rand and Duke to work together.

Cast
John Wayne ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Diana Gibson ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Moroni Olsen ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Montagu Love ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Maurice Black ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Paul White ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Cameron Hall ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Patrick J Kelly ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
George Cleveland ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
James T Mack ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Hi Ellie

As I was one of the original contributers to ths topic in 2005 - was it really that long ago- I would certainly be interested in seeing your research notes.

Fred Landesman's work will be worth the wait it is very good and as an authority he worked in very close collaboration with Tim Lilley even visiting him in Akron from California and used Tim's notes from his Big Trail series.

Hope to hear from you soon

Best Regards

Arthur

hello Arthur

I have posted the list now.

elly

Hello Keith

I have some newer information just in. So have added it in RED below. These ones

1926.BARDLEYS THE MANIFICENT ****No Complete print known to exist. Approx 30 minutes survives.
1927. THE DROP KICK - (First National) Uncredited but visibly seen.
1927. THE GREAT K&A TRAIN ROBBERY- (Fox)
1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox)***No complete print known to exist (two reels missing)
1928. FOUR SONS- (Fox)
1928. HANGMAN'S HOUSE -(Fox) Uncredited, but visibly seen.
1928. NOAH'S ARK- (Warner Brothers/First National)
1929. THE BLACK WATCH- (Fox)***No Print Known to exist, considered LOST
1930. MEN WITHOUT WOMEN-(Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1930. BORN RECKLESS- (Fox)
1930. ROUGH ROMANCE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison
1931. WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS- (Fox)
1946. DESERT COMMAND (Feature film version of Three Musketeers Serial)

Are definately NOT lost films. I have copies of these in my collection. (or copies of what is left of Bardelys and Mother Machree).

Whilst they were never officially released onto VHS or DVD there are dealers who have copies either from 16mm prints or home video tapes. You even see them on ebay.

I have copies of all of them bought years ago through dealers and the quality ranges from terrible to fair but hey you pay your money as they say.

I checked around a few dealers yesterday and there are still copies of these around - at a PRICE! Suddenly JW items are now being marketed as "Ultra rare" or "Collectors items" and priced accordingly.

And why do you think this Collector is unwilling to share Adventures end with anyone? Have never understood that.

What do you think of taking the above OFF this list and perhaps starting a hard to find list with these on it. Then we will really be closing in on the truly lost or never see in my lifetime films.

So then the list would look like this below with only 6 on the really LOST list. No bad considering how many films are totally lost.

Elly


The Missing or Rare Movies, still seems to centre around his list, so just to refresh our memories again,here it is:-

Please make any comments, and if these movies are available, let us know, and we can then narrow the list down, to what's really 'missing'

LOST

1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)***No Print Known to exist considered LOST
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)***No Print Known to exist, considered LOST (There may be a print of this in Australia ref: [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]))
1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox)***No Print Known to exist, considered LOST
1929. WORDS AND MUSIC- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison***No Print Known considered LOST
1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National)***No print known to exist, considered LOST
1936. THE OREGON TRAIL***No print known to exist, considered LOST

ARCHIVES

1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM)***The only known print is a restored print in Library of Congress
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)***No Print Known to exist considered LOST (There may be a print of this in Australia ref: [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]))
1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)***The only known print is in UCLA
1930. CHEER UP AND SMILE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison***The only known print is a preserved copy in UCLA
1931. THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI- (Fox)** Print is known to exist
1931. GIRLS DEMAND EXCITEMENT- (Fox)**** The only known print is in UCLA (just been viewd by AFI and will be included in thier next catalogue)
1931. THREE GIRLS LOST- (Fox)***The only known print is a Print in UCLA (just been viewd by AFI and will be included in thier next catalogue)
1931. THE DECEIVER- (Columbia)***** Print is known to exist
1937. ADVENTURES END- (Universal)***Considered LOST (AFI know of a print in a private collection in Canada - however the collector will not even loan it to them)
1941 meets the stars #8 stars past and present 9 minute shortThe only known print is in UCLA


AWAITING STATUS CONFIRMATION

1932 Hollywood Handicap, the 20 minute short (survival status unknown)
1932 Running Hollywood 20 minute short (survival status unknown
1932 Voice of Hollywood no 13, The 12 minute short (survival status unknown)
1940 meet the stars cowboy jubilee 10 minute short (survival status unknown)

Thanks Elly for all that,

so those members interested,
Elly's list above represents,
probably the most definitive, we have

I believe this has been discussed before, but the print of Three Girls Lost in the UCLA archive is missing 1 reel, so it is an incomplete print. See the threads below for more pertinent discussion on this.

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I believe this has been discussed before, but the print of Three Girls Lost in the UCLA archive is missing 1 reel, so it is an incomplete print. See the threads below for more pertinent discussion on this.

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Hi

You are quite right the copy of Three girls lost in UCLA is incomplete. I have asked my friend who is a member of AFI (who have just viewed this film and are including it in thier next catalogue) if this was the print that they viewed and what the entry in the catalogue will say.

Will let you know when i have a reply.


Elly

Thanks Elly for all that,

so those members interested,
Elly's list above represents,
probably the most definitive, we have


Hello Keith

Please see the post in reply to EJ. UCLA copy of three girls lost is incomplete so we should update the list to reflect that please.

I KNEW that if I poked the bees nest we would get stung:teeth_smile:

Just kidding its great to get this discussion going (again) and perhaps once we know what is in these local archives we can lobby to get them released to the fans? :hyper:

Elly

Hi Elly,

Thanks so much for all the work, below is the amended list
taking into account, your comments and research:-

LOST

1928. MOTHER MACHREE- (Fox)***No complete print known to exist (two reels missing)
1928. FOUR SONS- (Fox)***No Print Known considered LOST
1926. BARDLEYS THE MAGNIFICENT ****No Complete print known to exist. Approx 30 minutes survives.
1928. HAM HAMILTONS COMEDIES- (Fox)***No Print Known to exist considered LOST
1929. STRONG BOY- (Fox)***No Print Known to exist, considered LOST (There may be a print of this in Australia ref: [Only registered and activated users can see links])
1929. SPEAKEASY- (Fox)***No Print Known to exist, considered LOST
1929. THE BLACK WATCH- (Fox)***No Print Known considered LOST
1929. WORDS AND MUSIC- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison***No Print Known considered LOST
1929. THE FORWARD PASS- (First National)***No print known to exist, considered LOST
1936. THE OREGON TRAIL*** No known prints exists, considered LOST


ARCHIVES

1927. ANNIE LAURIE- (MGM)***The only known print is a restored print in Library of Congress
1930. THE LONE STAR RANGER- (Fox)***The only known print is in UCLA
1930. CHEER UP AND SMILE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison***The only known print is a preserved copy in UCLA
1931. THE SWEETHEART OF SIGMA CHI- (Fox)*** Print is known to exist
1931. GIRLS DEMAND EXCITEMENT- (Fox)**** The only known print is in UCLA (just been viewed by AFI and will be included in their next catalogue)
1931. THREE GIRLS LOST- (Fox)***The only known print is a Print in UCLA (just been viewed by AFI and will be included in their next catalogue)However, it is incomplete
1931. THE DECEIVER- (Columbia)***Print is known to exist
1937. ADVENTURES END- (Universal)***Considered LOST (AFI know of a print in a private collection in Canada - however the collector will not even loan it to them)
1941. Meets The Stars #8 Stars Past and Present 9 minute short.*** The only known print is in UCLA


AWAITING STATUS CONFIRMATION


1927. THE DROP KICK - (First National) Uncredited but visibly seen.***(survival status unknown)
1927. THE GREAT K&A TRAIN ROBBERY- (Fox)***(survival status unknown)
1928. HANGMAN'S HOUSE -(Fox) Uncredited, but visibly seen.***(survival status unknown)
1928. NOAH'S ARK- (Warner Brothers/First National)***(survival status unknown)
1930. MEN WITHOUT WOMEN-(Fox) credited as Duke Morrison***(survival status unknown)
1930. BORN RECKLESS- (Fox)***(survival status unknown)
1930. ROUGH ROMANCE- (Fox) credited as Duke Morrison***(survival status unknown)
1931. WOMEN OF ALL NATIONS- (Fox)***(survival status unknown)
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