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May 25th, 2003, 03:17 PM
Regarding the Searchers, I dont consider this a mistake just somthing I have missed. Why does Ethan need Mose to tell him that Scar is pitched at 7 fingers as this is where Ethan met scar. You can notice this becuase when Ethan is being chased by Indians he rides to a cave, Debbie then runs to the same cave when Ethan is chasing her. Can someone explain this as I have clearly missed somthing.
May 25th, 2003, 07:00 PM
it could be the possibility that scar moved on after the cave thing and he didn't know where they went then they came back to seven fingers, you do get the impression that time has moved on and that moses was captive for some time before he got away. this might help you out
May 26th, 2003, 02:21 AM
it's not supposed to be the same cave, and it was filmed in different locations:
the first cave in the film - the shootout with Scar - was filmed at a real cave in Monument Valley (when I visited, a Navajo family was actually living in it). The second cave - the "Let's go home"-scene" was filmed in Hollywood, in a cave near the Hollywood bowl, a location often used for western showdowns in the earlier days of film.
May 26th, 2003, 06:23 PM
Excellent information thanks Roland and Smokey I must admit I was actually leaning towards Smokeys point of view before I heard Rolands.
Here is another question regarding the same movie, I was watching it the other day with a friend. It regards the scence where the texas rangers get chased by the Indians how do they get so far ahead of the indians by the time they arrive at the water. I put it down to better horses and I dont thnik its a bad edit but has anyone else got an explanation.
Regarding the same movie can anyone explain to me what Duke meant when he said to Hary Carrey Jnr about a white man riding a horse to it dies then going on afoot, then an Indian comming along getting that same horse and riding it 20 more mile then eating it. How could the Indian ride it 20 more mile when its dead?
May 26th, 2003, 09:44 PM
In the Rangers chase scene, I think it is a case of the shortest distance is a straight line. The Rangers rode straight ahead and the indians had to come down a slight incline. Also let us not discount the motivation of having an indian band running after you! I would run like hell!
I think what Ethan meant by the horse illustration was a white man will not ride a horse to death in most cases. He will stop to rest the horse, get water, feed, whatever. In contrast, an indian would ride the horse until it literally dropped dead, cut out what meat they could carry, and go on. I read somewhere (maybe the book "Josey Wales") that indians would even drink the blood of the horse for the nutritional value when they were in such a situation. Also, the story may be somewhat biased by the attitudes toward and ignorance of indian cultures at the time. They may have wanted to paint the indians (pardon the expression) as savages.
May 26th, 2003, 11:11 PM
Regarding Dukes horse talk with Harry Carrey J.R. I think he was just trying to illustrate the difference in attitude, persistance, doggedness, etc. between white men and indians. I don't think it was meant literally.
May 27th, 2003, 06:05 PM
Thanks for explaining the horse scene. I think it is supposed to illustrate Ethans ignorance towards indians as the movie is very tolerant of native Americans and displays them in a better light than any other movie includding Dances with Wolves.
May 29th, 2003, 12:51 AM
The Searchers portrays native americans in a better light than Dances With Wolves? 'fraid I can't agree. The indians in The Searchers were pretty stereotypical of that era. Dances With Wolves showed the grace and gentle nature of their culture. Certainly it portrayed their ferocity in battle, but it also illustrated the qualities of loyalty, generosity, and bravery that were so integral to their way of life. The Searchers starts out showing the negative impact that the indians had on the white man, while Dances With Wolves illustrates the contempt and brutality with which the white men treated the natives.
May 30th, 2003, 06:30 PM
Since you John Wayne fans out there are so knowledeable I have another question to ask. In El Dorado why does Duke and Mitchum put the crutch under the arm which is parallel with the good leg is this the correct way to do it?
May 30th, 2003, 09:38 PM
I'm not sure why they put the crutch under that arm, but my favorite thing about El Dorado is that Robert Mitchum forgets which leg is injured and limps on the wrong one for awhile. :lol:
May 31st, 2003, 06:46 AM
I don't know why they did it that way. When using a crutch or cane, you are supposed to put it under the arm that the good leg is next to. That way, when you step on the bad leg, your weight should push against the crutch to take pressure off the bad leg. Least, that's how I heard it told. dukefan1
May 31st, 2003, 10:49 PM
Take it from someone who has spent a fair amount of time on crutches. The crutch goes on the same side as the bad leg. It isn't rocket science. In the movie, Robert Mitchum's problems with proper crutch usage were written into the script. J.W. said to him, 'you've got it first under one arm and then tuther.'
June 1st, 2003, 01:21 PM
I feel my message regarding the crutch has been misunderstood.
John put the crutch under his left arm, his left leg is wounded. Mitchum says you got it under the wrong arm. At the end both men are walking towards the camera crutch under right arm with left leg wounded, its clearly not a mistake in the movies I was jsut wondering why they did this?
June 1st, 2003, 03:34 PM
I understand. As for your last question; I have no idea.
July 2nd, 2003, 04:50 AM
I think the whole crutch scene between Mitchum and the Duke was filmed that way because in the roles that they were acting the both highly respected each other and Mitchum was back in form after drinking so much. They were just jumpimg on each other as close friends do in the service or at work. I thought it was quiet fitting in the movie.