I was just reading an article one the Entertainment Weekly web site, which lists the top 100 films and roles that deserved an Oscar, but were snubbed. They list John Wayne in The Searchers as number 28. Here's that part of the article:

"#28 John Wayne: THE SEARCHERS
(1956, Warner) Plain and simple: The Duke will never get the credit he deserves as an actor. Decades after its release, John Ford's dark masterpiece -- and the brutal but shaded performance that anchors it -- saw the duo's reputations deservedly soar. The stubborn and racist Ethan Edwards may always be too un-PC to make audiences swoon. But Wayne's explosive, unseemly, and honest portrayal is paramount in a body of work that encompassed more than 100 films."

I was wondering, which John Wayne films and roles you all think should have won an Oscar? My list (in no particular order) is:

1. Hondo
2. The Searchers
3. She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
4. The Cowboys
5. Red River
6. True Grit
7. The High and the Mighty
8. Rio Bravo
9. Big Jake
10. Wings of Eagles
11. The Shootist

These are not necesarrily my favorite John Wayne films, but I think he delivered an Oscar winning performance in each one. Just curious to see what you all think.
Colorado Bob

P.S.: Thanks Stumpy! I've updated my list to include The Shootist, which should have been on there all the time! - Bob

Originally posted by Colorado Bob@Sep 5 2005, 06:37 PM
I was just reading an article one the Entertainment Weekly web site, which lists the top 100 films and roles that deserved an Oscar, but were snubbed. They list John Wayne in The Searchers as number 28. Here's that part of the article:

"#28 John Wayne: THE SEARCHERS
(1956, Warner) Plain and simple: The Duke will never get the credit he deserves as an actor. Decades after its release, John Ford's dark masterpiece -- and the brutal but shaded performance that anchors it -- saw the duo's reputations deservedly soar. The stubborn and racist Ethan Edwards may always be too un-PC to make audiences swoon. But Wayne's explosive, unseemly, and honest portrayal is paramount in a body of work that encompassed more than 100 films."

I was wondering, which John Wayne films and roles you all think should have won an Oscar? My list (in no particular order) is:

1. Hondo
2. The Searchers
3. She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
4. The Cowboys
5. Red River
6. True Grit
7. The High and the Mighty
8. Rio Bravo
9. Big Jake
10. Wings of Eagles

These are not necesarril;y my favorite John Wayne films, but I think he delivered an Oscar winning performance in each one. Just curious to see what you all think.
Colorado Bob
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Well, Bob, obviously he won an Oscar for "True Grit" so don't know why you included that on the list. Also, don't know why you left "The Shootist" off the list since IMO, that was definitely an Oscar-winning performance.

I'd nominate the following for Oscar-winning roles: "They Were Expendable", "Fort Apache", "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon", "Red River", "Rio Bravo" and "The Shootist".

Hi Bob,
I'd go for THE SHOOTIST,THE SEARCHERS, RED RIVER, FORT APACHE,
RIO GRANDE, and SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON

Keith

Keith

You got it Right!!! :lol:

Chilibill :cowboy:

Originally posted by Stumpy@Sep 5 2005, 08:19 PM
Well, Bob, obviously he won an Oscar for "True Grit" so don't know why you included that on the list.* Also, don't know why you left "The Shootist" off the list since IMO, that was definitely an Oscar-winning performance.

I'd nominate the following for Oscar-winning roles:* "They Were Expendable", "Fort Apache", "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon", "Red River", "Rio Bravo" and "The Shootist".
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Well Stumpy, I don't know why I didn't include The Shootist. Just a little addle brained I guess. In fact, The Shootist is one of my favorite John Wayne movies, and he did deliver an Oscar winning performance. Just slipped my mind I guess. I included True Grit because although there are some who think it was only an average film and Duke not at his best, I disagree with them. I think ol' Rooster was classic Wayne. Not necesarrily a parody of himself as some have said, but a damn fine performance. But as for not including the Shootist, I guess y'all can deduct a couple of points from my "How big a fan are you?" score.
Colorado Bob

I would include The Quiet Man in my list, because that was a tricky role. He had to be a tough guy, but haunted by a past tragedy. He also had to carry a romance, and deal with being the only American while everyone else was acting Irish, or actually were Irish.

I think Wayne nailed it.

Whew...too many to count. He was, without question, the greatest American actor the world has ever known. He should have won at least a dozen times, seeing as his career spanned 50 years, and he was in dozens of oscar-caliber roles. My list would include:

The Shepherd of the Hills
The Wings Of Eagles
In Harm's Way
The Alamo (should have at least been nominated for director)
The Quiet Man
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
The Searchers
They Were Expendable (supporting actor)
The Shootist

Like I said, I could probably list at least a dozen more (The Horse Soldiers and Stagecoach come to mind), but I'll keep the list manageable.

Of those listed, I think he should have won an Oscar for Nrs 1,2,4,5,& 11.

I just watched my new DVD of "True Grit" the other evening and would have to say that this movie, which was good when I first saw it on the silver screen many years ago, is even better. Duke was well deserving of his Oscar for his portrayal of Rooster!
Ones he should have received an Oscar for these others (not necessarily in this order or complete) -

The Quiet Man
The Searchers
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Fort Apache
In Harms Way
Big Jake
The Shootist
Red River
Island In The Sky
Rio Bravo

There were a number of others where his acting wasn't quite consistant or the character didn't require him to stretch his abilities. He was very good in a high number of his films.

Cheers - Jay ^_^

SANDS OF IWO JIMA

-IHW

Does anyone even remember who won best actor, and the name of the film in the same year Duke should have won it for The Searchers?

GSP,

The irony of it all is that 1956 is one of the biggest joke years in the history of the Academy Awards. Yul Brynner won for The King and I! The other nominees certainly weren't as good as Duke that year either. But, of course, we all know why the Academy blackballed Duke for years. The other nominees were:

James Dean - Giant
Kirk Douglas - Lust for Life
Rock Hudson - Giant
Sir Laurence Olivier - Richard III

Yul Brynner? I would have given it to Hank Warden for his role as Mos' Harper before giving it to Brynner. They had similar hair-dos. GSP

The other nominees were:

James Dean - Giant
Kirk Douglas - Lust for Life
Rock Hudson - Giant
Sir Laurence Olivier - Richard III

Excuse me, but none of these guys could ever hold a candle to John Wayne. Douglas and Olivier were good, and Hudson was okay, but James Dean?
Puh-leeze! To nominate him over John Wayne in anything, including Jet Pilot or The Conqueror, is nothing more than an insult to Duke!
Colorado Bob

Originally posted by Colorado Bob@Sep 7 2005, 06:02 PM
Excuse me, but none of these guys could ever hold a candle to John Wayne. Douglas and Olivier were good, and Hudson was okay, but James Dean?
Puh-leeze! To nominate him over John Wayne in anything, including Jet Pilot or The Conqueror, is nothing more than an insult to Duke!
Colorado Bob
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you, Bob. I thought young Dean was a very good actor in the three movies he made, especially "Rebel Without a Cause" and "Giant".

I'm gonna have to disagree with you, Bob. I thought young Dean was a very good actor in the three movies he made, especially "Rebel Without a Cause" and "Giant".


That's okay Stumpy, I still like ya. In fact, I don't know what I'd do without ya. You're a treasure. (I'll promise not to kiss ya on top of your head, if you'll promise not to swat me on the butt with your broom!)
Colorado Bob

Originally posted by Colorado Bob@Sep 7 2005, 06:35 PM
(I'll promise not to kiss ya on top of your head, if you'll promise not to swat me on the butt with your broom!)

I promise, Bob. I can't do a helluva lot of swattin' anymore anyway, what with arthritis and creaky joints. :lol:

Here is my pick for the Oscars for Duke that he should have gotten in his movie career.

1. The Quiet Man
2. Sands of Iwo Jima (was nominated)
3. Rio Bravo
4. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
5. The Searchers
6. Red River
7. Stagecoach

Of course you know that if he did win 8 Oscars including True Grit, he would hold the Oscar Winner's Record. But he is the best. :D

Cheers B)

Hi all,
Most of films you mentioned really deserves Oskar. I wonder why he has got only one. For the lists I want to add The Horse soldgies. And how can it be that films from cavalry trilogy and The Searchers (really a masterpiece) wasn't even nominated? :huh:
Regards,
Senta

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 12 2005, 09:39 AM
I wonder why he has got only one.

It probably had something to do with his politics, Vera. The Duke was a right-winger in a town filled with left-wingers.

Originally posted by Stumpy@Sep 12 2005, 06:05 PM
It probably had something to do with his politics, Vera.* The Duke was a right-winger in a town filled with left-wingers.
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Hi Jim,
What politics can do with art. Becouse art values must be the main choice for Oscar. I see that this way.
Regards,
Vera

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 12 2005, 11:31 AM
I see that this way.

So do I, Vera. Unfortunately, the power brokers in Hollywood don't and they're the ones who vote for Oscar nominees.
Jim

Originally posted by Stumpy@Sep 12 2005, 07:34 PM
So do I, Vera.* Unfortunately, the power brokers in Hollywood don't and they're the ones who vote for Oscar nominees.
Jim
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But what about public opinion, can it influence them?
Regards,
Vera

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 12 2005, 02:58 PM
But what about public opinion, can it influence them?
Regards,
Vera
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Unfortunately, many of Hollywood's liberals are cloistered in their own little fiefdoms. Only money talks for them - artistically they could care less and if they can punish someone for politics (or a perceived slight), they have no qualms about using the Oscar as a whip. I imagine a lot of pressure was put on the Academy, in spite of the liberal leanings, to give Duke his one Oscar.
Cheers - Jay <_<

Originally posted by Senta@Sep 12 2005, 02:58 PM
But what about public opinion, can it influence them?
Regards,
Vera
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Senta,

That's what the people's choice awards are about. But I think that's rigged as well with the lefties. Oh, I forgot, I'm left handed. :huh: Does that mean I am a lefty? :o

Cheers B)

Originally posted by Hondo Duke Lane@Sep 13 2005, 01:30 AM
Senta,

That's what the people's choice awards are about.* But I think that's rigged as well with the lefties.* Oh, I forgot, I'm left handed.* :huh:* Does that mean I am a lefty?* :o

Cheers* B)
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Hi Hondo,
It is strange were is right and left and were is border between them now. In Duke times it was more simple to see. But in our country at that time the left was that you called right and the right what your called left. But now I can't see were it is right or left at all :huh:

Hi Senta -
It does get confusing, doesn't it? I think I can safely say that the majority of (active) members on the JWMB lean toward the conservative side of the fence, naturally because Duke was a staunch conservative.
Cheers - Jay :D

Totally and purposefully off topic and for Jay but, I was wondering where you were going out to celebrate your birthday? If you go to The Red barn, please eat one of their Chicken Fried Steaks for me. :cowboy: Anyway, have a great time. :D

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Sep 13 2005, 01:07 PM
I was wondering where you were going out to celebrate your birthday? If you go to The Red barn, please eat one of their Chicken Fried Steaks for me.* Anyway, have a great time. :D
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Thanks Carl -
I'm taking Friday off to celebrate my birthday. Since my newspaper has a trade-out with the Little Red Barn, the publisher gave me a sheet that entitles me to two FREE meals at same. So I will use it then!
Cheers - Jay :D :D

Hi

When it came to Oscar performances John ayne always said that he had been nominated for a Best Actor award for She Wore A Yellow Ribbon. Althopugh in fact he hadn't been, his performance merited it but came at a very awkward time in the history of Hollywood.

The Shootist was a victim to Hollywood schedulling and a lot of money being spent at the time on a giant ape, and as such was downright criminal.

Regards

Arthur

Originally posted by arthurarnell@Sep 14 2005, 07:41 PM
Hi

When it came to Oscar performances John ayne always said that he had been nominated for a Best Actor award for She Wore A Yellow Ribbon. Althopugh in fact he hadn't been, his performance merited it but came at a very awkward time in the history of Hollywood.

The Shootist was a victim to Hollywood schedulling and a lot of money being spent at the time on a giant ape, and as such was downright criminal.

Regards

Arthur
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Hi Arthur,
He certainly must be nominated for the She wore a yellow Ribbon. It is a really great film. But as for me I like Rio Grande most of all the trilogy, after that comes Fort Apache and the third - She wore a Yellow Ribbon. But as I noticed here most of Dukes fans put it on the first place.
Of course all three films are among my favorites.
For a pity I haven't seen The Shootist yet, but hope to.
Regards,
Senta

Originally posted by arthurarnell@Sep 14 2005, 11:41 AM
The Shootist was a victim to Hollywood schedulling and a lot of money being spent at the time on a giant ape, and as such was downright criminal.

I agree 10,000 percent, Arthur. If ever the Duke deserved an Oscar, it was for that performance, one of his very best.

I think he definitely should have been nominated for "The Searchers." He really dug deep into his soul to find the anger for that role and then conveyed it so clearly on screen, that is Oscar worthy. I think he should of also been nominated for "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" and "The Shootist". "Shootist" should have been simply because how many actors get the chance to do such a dignified exit in their careers. Only John Wayne could do something so fictionally/biograpical, yet a strong quality story for his last movie. That in itself should have at least rated an honorary Oscar.


Baby Sis


:cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:

You are all Correct, the Oscar belonged to Duke for "She wore a Yellow Ribbon" and "The Shootist" they were Great Performances for both Films. :( You must remember what Hollywood was like at that time and Still Is!!! Bad, :fear2: Bad, :fear2: Bad!!! :fear2:

Chilibill :cowboy:

Senta, Baby Sister, and Chilibill,

John Wayne was Oscar nominated in 1949 but it was for Sands of Iwo Jima, not She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. He lost the Oscar that year to Broderick Crawford for All the King's Men, a role originally offered to Duke.

When All the King's Men was being cast, Producer-Director Robert Rossen offered the role of Willie Stark to John Wayne. Rossen sent a copy of the script to Wayne's agent, Charles K. Feldman, who forwarded it to Wayne. After reading the script, Wayne sent it back with an angry letter attached. In it, he told Feldman that before he sent the script to any of his other clients, he should ask them if they wanted to star in a film that "smears the machinery of government for no purpose of humor or enlightenment," that "degrades all relationships," and that is populated by "drunken mothers; conniving fathers; double-crossing sweethearts; bad, bad, rich people; and bad, bad poor people if they want to get ahead." He accused Rossen of wanting to make a movie that threw acid on "the American way of life." If Feldman had such clients, Wayne wrote that the agent should "rush this script... to them." Wayne, however, said to the agent that "You can take this script and shove it up Robert Rossen's derriere..." Wayne later remarked that "To make Huey Long a wonderful, rough pirate was great," he said; "but, according to this picture, everybody was s--t except for this weakling intern doctor who was trying to find a place in the world." Broderick Crawford, who had played a supporting role in Wayne's Seven Sinners (1940), eventually received the part of Stark. In a bit of irony, Crawford was Oscar-nominated for the part of Stark and found himself competing against Wayne, who was nominated the same year for Sands of Iwo Jima (1949). Crawford won the Best Actor Oscar. Wayne, however, never regretted his decision to turn down the part.

With regards to the original post, I believe John Wayne should have received Oscars for both Red River and The Searchers. He also definitely at least deserved a nomination for Stagecoach, The Quiet Man, Rio Bravo, and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

Originally posted by ejgreen77@Sep 18 2005, 06:23 AM
Senta, Baby Sister, and Chilibill,

John Wayne was Oscar nominated in 1949 but it was for Sands of Iwo Jima, not She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. He lost the Oscar that year to Broderick Crawford for All the King's Men, a role originally offered to Duke.

When All the King's Men was being cast, Producer-Director Robert Rossen offered the role of Willie Stark to John Wayne. Rossen sent a copy of the script to Wayne's agent, Charles K. Feldman, who forwarded it to Wayne. After reading the script, Wayne sent it back with an angry letter attached. In it, he told Feldman that before he sent the script to any of his other clients, he should ask them if they wanted to star in a film that "smears the machinery of government for no purpose of humor or enlightenment," that "degrades all relationships," and that is populated by "drunken mothers; conniving fathers; double-crossing sweethearts; bad, bad, rich people; and bad, bad poor people if they want to get ahead." He accused Rossen of wanting to make a movie that threw acid on "the American way of life." If Feldman had such clients, Wayne wrote that the agent should "rush this script... to them." Wayne, however, said to the agent that "You can take this script and shove it up Robert Rossen's derriere..." Wayne later remarked that "To make Huey Long a wonderful, rough pirate was great," he said; "but, according to this picture, everybody was s--t except for this weakling intern doctor who was trying to find a place in the world." Broderick Crawford, who had played a supporting role in Wayne's Seven Sinners (1940), eventually received the part of Stark. In a bit of irony, Crawford was Oscar-nominated for the part of Stark and found himself competing against Wayne, who was nominated the same year for Sands of Iwo Jima (1949). Crawford won the Best Actor Oscar. Wayne, however, never regretted his decision to turn down the part.

With regards to the original post, I believe John Wayne should have received Oscars for both Red River and The Searchers. He also definitely at least deserved a nomination for Stagecoach, The Quiet Man, Rio Bravo, and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
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Hi Ejgreen,
Thank you for interesting information.
But we never write that She wore a yellow ribbon was nominated for Oskar, only that is should be.
Regards,
Senta

He should of received an oscar in SANDS OF IWO JIMA, and THE SEARCHERS.

Those movies he should have won an Oscar for, too. He should have been one of thsoe who went down in Oscar record for winning the most Oscars.

Those movies he should have won an Oscar for, too. He should have been one of thsoe who went down in Oscar record for winning the most Oscars.

Yep. This is true!

Kcat

I really can't believe Hollywood didn't honor him with more Oscars. As popular as he was it comes as a huge surprise to me.

I really can't believe Hollywood didn't honor him with more Oscars. As popular as he was it comes as a huge surprise to me.

It is a travesty. He was such a brilliant actor that you never caught him acting!

WE on this board know how much he deserved more Oscars, and that's good enough.

Kcat

Amen!!!!!! He truly was an incredible actor. So very very natural and so realistic.
I feel he's underrated as an actor. Other films he shoudl have won an Oscar for: The Searchers, Stagecoach, The Green Berets and many more...
Didn't he win a Lifetime Achievement Oscar?

Amen!!!!!! He truly was an incredible actor. So very very natural and so realistic.
I feel he's underrated as an actor. Other films he shoudl have won an Oscar for: The Searchers, Stagecoach, The Green Berets and many more...
Didn't he win a Lifetime Achievement Oscar?

I researched your question but could not find any awards under Lifetime Achievement (which is heart breaking) but I did find a list of his awards for you to peruse:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000078/awards

Kcat

I can't believe he was only Oscar nominated 3 times. I thought he'd have been nominated much more than that.

Well pard I think you have a pretty good list. I guess if I was to add just one film is would be The Sons Of Katie Elder. mainly because heres a man just out of the hopsital. Losing a Lung and two Ribs. Still able to stand tall and deliver!
Thank ya- Thank ya kindly. Big Duke

I can't believe he was only Oscar nominated 3 times. I thought he'd have been nominated much more than that.

Duke was a natural actor who honed his talents over the years and was one whose screen presence was rarely achieved by anyone else. His failure to translate this into more Oscar nominations was more due IMO to his political viewpoints in a very liberal Hollywood environment.

The Oscars are all about politics and have absolutely nothing to do with talent.

The Oscars are all about politics and have absolutely nothing to do with talent.

That's downright scary. Please tell us more about this skullduggery!!

Kcat

In the late 1940s after W.W.2 Hollywood was Full of people that were in the Communist Party and had Come to The U.S. in the early 1900s and were Russian Communist and were the people that started Hollywood and They were the Ones that Controlled Hollywood .
:wink_smile:
After all of the Hearings on The Communist in the early 1950s they went Underground But Were Still There !
:thumbs_down:

John Wayne's very Public Conservative Stand against the Communist put Him in Bad with the People that Ran Hollywood, But by this time John Wayne had Become a Super Star and there was Nothing they could do to Stop Him from Making One Great Film after the Other !!
:teeth_smile:
By the Late 1970s most of these Russian Communist People had Died Off and other U.S. Born People took Charge in Hollywood !!!
:holiday_irish:
Below is a little story about Duke and How Much He was Hated By The Communist at that time !!!!

http://www.ranch26bar.com/DUKE_STALIN.html

Chilibill
:cowboy:

I think for me it would be, of course ,The Searchers, The Cowboys, The Shootist,
Rooster Cogburn, The Quiet Man, and truly Stagecoach. I could name many others
also. There has never been another actor to touch him and I am sure there never
will be.:shades_smile:

In the late 1940s after W.W.2 Hollywood was Full of people that were in the Communist Party and had Come to The U.S. in the early 1900s and were Russian Communist and were the people that started Hollywood and They were the Ones that Controlled Hollywood .
:wink_smile:
After all of the Hearings on The Communist in the early 1950s they went Underground But Were Still There !
:thumbs_down:

John Wayne's very Public Conservative Stand against the Communist put Him in Bad with the People that Ran Hollywood, But by this time John Wayne had Become a Super Star and there was Nothing they could do to Stop Him from Making One Great Film after the Other !!
:teeth_smile:
By the Late 1970s most of these Russian Communist People had Died Off and other U.S. Born People took Charge in Hollywood !!!
:holiday_irish:
Below is a little story about Duke and How Much He was Hated By The Communist at that time !!!!

http://www.ranch26bar.com/DUKE_STALIN.html

Chilibill
:cowboy:


Thank you for enlightening us, Bill. God's protecting hand was over Duke, that's for sure. I'm thankful he survived all that viciousness. Duke was a strong, brave man in real life.

I'm glad you are here to fill us in on the things that happened in Duke's life!

Kcat

It is sad the Oscars are only about politics. They're not even following their own rules. It's about talent and that's the way it should have been. I don't take the Oscars seriously half the time. I mean I'm so tickled when one of my favorite stars wins but other than that it just means nothing to me. Oh, I know that sounds strange.

It is sad the Oscars are only about politics. They're not even following their own rules. It's about talent and that's the way it should have been. I don't take the Oscars seriously half the time. I mean I'm so tickled when one of my favorite stars wins but other than that it just means nothing to me. Oh, I know that sounds strange.

Not strange at all. I feel the same way.

Kcat

I don't even watch the Oscars anymore. It's more of a self-congratulatory event rather than a true measure of talent. I usually check the newpapers the next morning to see if anyone I like won!!!

I don't watch the Oscars anymore. Except I did watch this year because Michael Douglas and Robert De Niro were on and Meryl Streep was Oscar nominated.

I'll only watch next year to see if 2012 wins the Oscar for Best Special effects like it should.