THE HORSE SOLDIERS

DIRECTED BY JOHN FORD
PRODUCED BY JOHN LEE MAHIN/ MARTIN RACKIN
MIRISH CORPORATION
UNITED ARTISTS

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Information from IMDb

Plot Summary
A Union Cavalry outfit is sent behind confederate lines in strength
to destroy a rail/supply centre.
Along with them is sent a doctor who causes instant antipathy between
him and the commander.
The secret plan for the mission is overheard by a southern belle
who must be taken along to assure her silence.
The Union officers each have different reasons for wanting to be on the mission.

Full Cast
John Wayne .... Col. John Marlowe
William Holden .... Maj. Henry 'Hank' Kendall (regimental surgeon)
Constance Towers .... Miss Hannah Hunter of Greenbriar
Judson Pratt .... Sgt. Maj. Kirby
Hoot Gibson .... Sgt. Brown
Ken Curtis .... Cpl. Wilkie
Willis Bouchey .... Col. Phil Secord
Bing Russell .... Dunker, Yankee Soldier Amputee
O.Z. Whitehead .... Otis 'Hoppy' Hopkins (medical assistant)
Hank Worden .... Deacon Clump
Chuck Hayward .... Union captain
Denver Pyle .... Jackie Jo (rebel deserter)
Strother Martin .... Virgil (rebel deserter)
Basil Ruysdael .... The Reverend (Jefferson Military Academy)
Carleton Young .... Col. Jonathan Miles, CSA
William Leslie .... Maj. Richard Gray
William Henry .... Confederate lieutenant
Walter Reed .... Union officer
Anna Lee .... Mrs. Buford
William Forrest .... Gen. Steve Hurlbut
Ron Hagerthy .... Bugler
Russell Simpson .... Acting Sheriff Henry Goodbody
Althea Gibson .... Lukey (Hannah Hunter's maid)
Sarge Allen .... Union officer (uncredited)
Danny Borzage .... Ned (uncredited)
Richard H. Cutting .... Gen. William T. Sherman (uncredited)
Fred Graham .... Union soldier (uncredited)
Sam Harris .... Passenger to Newton Station (uncredited)
Stuart Holmes .... Passenger to Newton Station (uncredited)
Stan Jones .... Gen. Ulysses S. Grant (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... Soldier (uncredited)
Roy Kennedy .... Wrangler (uncredited)
Jack Pennick .... Sgt. Maj. 'Mitch' Mitchell (uncredited)
Charles Seel .... Newton Station bartender (uncredited)
Jan Stine .... Union General (uncredited)
William Wellman Jr. .... Bugler (uncredited)

Writing Credits
Harold Sinclair (story)
John Lee Mahin (screenplay) and
Martin Rackin (screenplay)

Original Music
David Buttolph

Cinematography
William H. Clothier

Stunts
Jim Burk .... stunts (uncredited)
Everett Creach .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Tom Hennesy .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
Ted White .... stunts (uncredited)

Trivia
John Ford suspended location filming in Louisiana after Fred Kennedy was killed performing a riding stunt. The film was later completed in California.

The film marked the beginning of mega-deals for Hollywood stars. John Wayne and William Holden received $775,000 each, plus 20% of the overall profits, an unheard-of sum for that time. The final contract involved six companies and numbered twice the pages of the movie's script. The film, however, was a financial failure, with no profits to be shared in the end.

The film is based on the true-life raid by Col. Benjamin Grierson who, as shown in the movie, began his expedition--known as Grierson's Raid--from LeGrange, Tennessee, in April of 1863.

When John Wayne (Col. Marlow) first meets William Holden (Maj. Kendall), he accuses him of being out of uniform because he is not wearing his sidearms. In that particular scene, Marlow is wearing a cavalry sword. But throughout the rest of the film, Marlow does not wear any sidearms. Even when the Confederate forces are charging through the street and one of his junior officers offers him a pistol, he waves it off.

The quote at the Greenbriar dinner, "And yet your fair discourse hath been as sweet as sugar making the hard way sweet and delectable" is from "Richard II", Act II Scene 3 by William Shakespeare.

Director John Ford's only feature film set during the Civil War, although he did direct a segment of How the West Was Won (1962) that was set during the Civil War.

Goofs
* Anachronisms: Union soldiers are using Springfield breech-loading carbines, but these didn't appear until at least 1871, five years after the war's end.

* Anachronisms: Although the film takes place in 1863, Dr. Kendall is shown boiling surgical instruments to prevent them from infecting patients, a process that was not developed until 1879, by Dr. Louis Pasteur.

* Anachronisms: At the film's end, Dr. Kendall tells Col. Marlowe that he has decided to stay behind with the wounded Union soldiers. Col. Marlowe replies, "Even if it means Andersonville [a notorious Confederate POW camp]?" Andersonville did not exist in 1863, when this film was set; it was established in 1864.

* Continuity: When Doc Kendall examines the soldiers in line, he walks from left to right. When he is seen from behind the soldiers, he is walking the opposite way.

* Continuity: When Col. Marlowe asks a soldier for Maj. Kendall, his neckerchief knot is under his chin. When he enters in the colored people's shack, where Maj. Kendall is, his neckerchief knot is turned to his left shoulder.

* Continuity: When Doc Kendall is examining Dunker's leg, there is a soldier holding a lamp with his left hand. Between shots the lamp is in his right hand.

* Continuity: Deacon Clump talks to Col. Marlowe holding his hat in front of him. In the next shot, when Marlowe leaves, his hat is in his head.

* Anachronisms: The Confederate flags used in the movie are Army of Tennessee pattern and did not come into use until March of 1864.

* Factual errors: The 1st Michigan Cavalry Regiment served in the Eastern theater in 1863, most notably in the Army of the Potomac during the Battle of Gettysburg, and so would not be in a brigade within General Grant's army.

* Anachronisms: The saddles used on the horses are a mix of "Western" style and Army "McClellan" saddles. However, the McClellan saddles used are brown and of the 1904 pattern, whereas the 1859 McClellan that was in use was a black saddle.

* Continuity: In the hotel bar at Newton Station Col. Kirby breaks a bottle of whiskey tucked in the front of Sgt. Kirby's trousers . The trousers are already wet from a previous take.

* Factual errors: The film is set in the Spring of 1863 as part of Grant's campaign against Vicksburg, which fell on July 4, 1863. The soldiers discuss their fear of being captured and sent to the notorious Confederate prison at Andersonville, the construction of which started in December, 1963.

* Factual errors: Although listening through stove pipes at Greenbriar helped move the plot along , it was merely a contrivance . Southern plantation houses at that time were not heated by cast iron stoves but by wood-burning fireplaces through chimneys at each end of the house.

* Anachronisms: Early in the movie, Ken Curtis is shown playing a fretted banjo. Frets were not added to banjos until the 1880s. When they were first added, most players tried to file them off.

* Anachronisms: Although the story is set in 1863, all the soldiers are wearing 1872 pattern cavalry uniforms.

* Factual errors: The Jefferson Military Academy was fictitious. The scene was filmed at the old Jefferson College campus. The civilian college was closed during the civil war.

* Factual errors: The national flag seen in the opening scene is incorrect. Either a cavalry guidon with the national colors or a square flag would be more correct for a cavalry regiment.

* Crew or equipment visible: In the house at Greenbrier after Major Kendall, Miss Hunter, and Lukey come down the stairs, shadows are visible on the landing above and behind them. The shadows are not in line with any visible light source, suggesting the presence of a spotlight hidden behind the chair at the right of the scene.

* Anachronisms: At the end of the officers' conference Colonel Marlow states; "No glory hunting Richards. Anything knock this into a cocked hat it'll be a firefight." The term "firefight" did not come into use until the end of the 19th century.

* Anachronisms: In the scene where Sgt. Kirby is about to shoot the head of the Jefferson Military Academy, he referred to the Reverend as a "Holy Joe". The term did not come into being until approximately 1875.

* Anachronisms: In many scenes, Hannah is clearly wearing a bra, a garment invented in the 1890s and finally patented in 1913. Moreover, her bras are the "pointed" style popular in the 1950s.

* Factual errors: The movie exteriors appear to have been shot in the fall, but the raid takes place in April 1863.

* Continuity: When the rebels from the train charge up the street the flag bearer is shot and a man with a beard and green jacket picks it up. Shortly after wards the flag bearer is in shot again but its a younger man and the man with the beard and green jacket picks it up again.

* Anachronisms: The artillery guns shown in the last two battles (military academy and bridge crossing) are not Civil War era pieces, being far too old.

* Anachronisms: At the beginning of the engagement with the boys from the military academy, Colonel Marlow orders "Assembly" be sounded. It is clear from the immediately preceding shot, that many of the troops are not only not mounted, but the horses are not even saddled. Therefore, the correct bugle call would have been "Boots and Saddles".

Memorable Quotes (http://http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052902/quotes)

Filming Locations
Alexandria, Louisiana, USA
Homochitto River, Mississippi, USA
Jefferson Military College - Highway 61, Washington, Mississippi, USA
(cadet school)
Louisiana, USA
Mississippi, USA
Natchez, Mississippi, USA
Natchitoches, Louisiana, USA
Texas, USA
The Lot - 1041 N. Formosa Avenue, West Hollywood, California, USA
(studio)
Washington, Mississippi, USA

Previous Discussion:-
Question About The Horse Soldiers (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1264)

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The Horse Soldiers is a 1959 DeLuxe Color war film, set in the American Civil War,
directed by John Ford, starring John Wayne, William Holden and Constance Towers.
The film was based on Harold Sinclair's novel of the same name.

The team of John Lee Mahin and Martin Rackin
both wrote the screenplay and produced the movie.

The movie is based on the true story of Grierson's Raid and the climactic Battle of Newton's Station,
led by Colonel Benjamin Grierson who, along with 1700 men, set out from northern Mississippi
and rode several hundred miles behind enemy lines in April 1863 to cut the railroad
between Newton's Station and Vicksburg, Mississippi.
Grierson's raid was part of the Union campaign, culminating in the Battle of Vicksburg.
The raid was as successful as it was daring, and remarkably bloodless.
By attacking the Confederate-controlled railroad it upset the plans
and troop deployments of Confederate General John C. Pemberton.

What I can't work out is this??
John Ford made FOUR cavalry films,
but we only ever hear of a trilogy!!!
In my mind, The Horse Soldiers was the other one!!
I've always liked this one,and is high amongst my favourites.
In fact since this film, I have always been wary of stoves in the lounge!!!

The film started off well, and was pushed along by Uncle Jack's enthusiasm, for Civil War films.
However, sadly, the film falls away towards the end, as Jack lost interest,
due to the untimely death, in the making of the film, of one of his stuntmen, of some 25 years.

This is noticeable in detail, and as screenwriter Mahin, quoted,
It was awful,they charged across that damed bridge,, and not one guy fell off the saddle

I still, rate this film, as one of my favourites

User Review

Holden and Wayne earn their pay
30 May 2004 | by driver_8 (the Greater Southwest)

The Horse Soldiers is one of many John Ford and John Wayne collaborations.
Moreover, it is one of their better. The story involves a daring mission by union troops into the heart of the confederacy, in order to cut supply lines. Wayne is leading the daring plan. However, also going on the mission are an insolent
surgeon (played by William Holden) and a Southern Belle, complete with slave
(played by tennis star Althea Gibson). Where this film shines are in the excellent performances turned in by the big two stars. Rumor was that this film had many shutdowns and stoppages, the kind of thing that can make someone hornery.
Well, you see that in the relationship between the Holden and Wayne
characters, they genuinely despise each other. To me, this was one of Wayne's most underrated performances. He shows real emotion in his rather complex
character. As usual, Holden is excellent. Being a Ford film, the story and
scenery are both epic. Moreover, it does not take the Hollywood path towards
the obvious. I really enjoyed this film and was anxious to see just how it would end.

Hi Ethan

I have just been typing a long list of my thoughts on the Horse Soldiers when my computer crashed and I lost the lot. I am trying again but may confine it to small individual segments.

As I initiated this topic I thought it was about time that I put my two cents worth in.

I read The Horse Soldiers when I was about fourteen or fifteen and thought it would make a great picture.

The role of Kendall in the book is very minor if he is mentioned at all, The scene in the cabin is mentioned but the doctor is not allowed to deliver the baby as Marlowe orders him to rejoin the column leaving the woman to her own devices.

Also in the book as in the film Marlowe splits his command but not as in the film to send it back North to deter the rebels. In Sinclairs book the second column controlled by a Major Bryce, (I think that was his name) runs parrall with Marlowe's and alternate chapters detail each columns progress, a fact that Ford would have had a nightmare with over continuity.

More later

The Horse Soldiers is in my JW top ten :D

A very enjoyable Western, I like William Holden also!


John

Hi

One scene from the book that I was convinced Ford would show for both spectacle and comedy. occurs when the soldiers are burning a bridge at Newton Grange station and decide to run a train over it. A soldier volunteers to drive the train intending to jump out at the last minute. However as he makes ready to jump he stands on a shovwel which in true Chaplin style rises up and hits him in the face. As he staggers to his feet the train goes over the edge.

For my opinion of the film I though it was a good film - not a great one but a good one for all of that. it was to be Ford's great civil war picture the one that he had always wanted to do, he even promised the producers that he would get Duke to star in the film and dragged him out of another office to perduade him to take the part. For whatever reason I think he failed.

When the soldiers ride into Newton Grange you see a group of confederate soldiers sitting on some steps by the hotel or the saloon. I was convinced the actor bald headed and sitting out in front was Dean Jagger, which is ridiculous because by the time the Horse Soldiers was made Jagger was a star in his own right.

During the making of the location shots Ford had a strict no drinking policy, which drove both Wayne and William Holdien to despair. Under the pretense that Duke's teeth were showing up slighty yellow on the rushes both actors were allowed to go to the nearest town to visit a dentist. The next mornin g Marty Rackin one of the producers drove into town to pick ayne and Holden up and worried that Ford might be angry drove fast back. Wayne turned to rackin and said slow down Marty because whatever happens you're only goint to get third billing.

More later

Hi

The death of Fred Kennedy certainly hit Ford hard, Kennedy was proably past his best and as it was nearing Christmas Ford only gave him the part to give him a little extra cash for Christmas.

After Kenedy's death Ford lost all feeling for the film and rather than stage the up beat entry into New Orleans he finished the film at the bridge.

Now for what I find to be an interesting point, As the rebels get ready to decamp from the train Wayne gives his pistol away saying that he doesent need it. By the time they have crossed the river and are attacking the rebel gun battery he has recovered it and is seen firing it although to what effect isn't seen, and it is this what I find interesting.

Some years ago I wrote a letter to Tim lilley in The Big Trail argueing that in his films where he fought indians far from being the cold blooded shoot em up villain that he was depicted as he rarely used his guns at all.

I also believe that if a study was done it would be interesting to see how many times he actually does inflict casualties with either rifle pistol or sabre. I would bet a pound to a penny that it isn't many. I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

Regards

Arthur

Hi Keith and Arthur,
Great posts! Thank you for them.
The Horse Soldies is a big favorite of mine and it was a first Duke's picture I saw (the same about Ford). It impressed me greatly and from that point all started. So I cant be critical of objective to that movie, I only love it.
It is very interesting pint that you mentioned Arthur, about using the guns and showing violence - Marlow are deeply sorry about all force he must do and during rebel attack he cried: I didn't want it...
And they are very good with Holden together - I like their lines, their crossings..
Even you were born...
I want to read original book, even if it is very far from the movie.
Regards,
Senta

Originally posted by john chisum@Dec 23 2005, 12:09 PM
The Horse Soldiers is in my JW top ten* :D

A very enjoyable Western, I like William Holden also!
John

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If you like William Holden, I also suggest when possible, for you to watch Alvarez Kelly which also stars Richard Widmark. Great Civil War Western.

Hi Carl,
It is strange thing about Holden. I like him very much in The Horse Soldies but in the other films that I watched with him I wasn't so impressed.
Regards,
Senta

Althea Gibson...(Lukey)

Guess I have to get out more...this thread inspired me to watch the movie again, and subsequently do a little research on Althea Gibson. Wow, what a gal. She broke the color barrier in tennis, and won 11 majors in the late '50's, including Wimbledon and the French Open. After that, she took up golf and joined the LPGA, playing in 171 events. She also went on tour with the Harlem Globetrotters. Her acting career was actually very limited. There is a good website on her career if anyone wants more info.

Grant

Originally posted by gr1087@Dec 24 2005, 05:52 PM
Althea Gibson...(Lukey)

Guess I have to get out more...this thread inspired me to watch the movie again, and subsequently do a little research on Althea Gibson. Wow, what a gal. She broke the color barrier in tennis, and won 11 majors in the late '50's, including Wimbledon and the French Open. After that, she took up golf and joined the LPGA, playing in 171 events. She also went on tour with the Harlem Globetrotters. Her acting career was actually very limited. There is a good website on her career if anyone wants more info.

Grant

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Hi gr1087,
Thank you for that interesting information. I didn't knew it before.
Regards,
Senta

Hi John Chisum,

Please voice your concerns to the mod team. We all know your feeling towards ethanedwards. If anything is "copied & pasted" from other sources then those sources need to credited along with the repost.

Ethan, please credit any information derived from other sites when adding to the thread.

I suggest you read the terms of service at http://www.jwayne.com/terms.shtml

And make your request per the instructions there.

Originally posted by ethanedwards@Dec 23 2005, 05:09 AM
Cast and Crew for
The Horse Soldiers (1959) ...

Bing Russell ....* Dunker, Yankee Soldier Amputee


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Bing Russell was the father of Kurt Russell, who has become more famous than his father. Bing Russell was very recognizable, even if his name was not readily recalled.
Cheers - Jay :D

Both of those entries in question ARE attributed to Imdb....not really an issue I don't think.

Grant

Originally posted by Jay J. Foraker@Dec 27 2005, 04:37 PM
Bing Russell was the father of Kurt Russell, who has become more famous than his father.* Bing Russell was very recognizable, even if his name was not readily recalled.
Cheers - Jay* :D

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Hi Jay,
Thanks, I think your snippet of information, is really interesting,
I will make a point of looking closer the next time I watch the film!

Best Wishes,

Hi,
I noticed from THE SEARCHERS thread,
that members are also interested in the secondary/stunt men,
although, I personally think, in most cases, they should all be credited!!


STUNTS

Jim Burk .... stunts (uncredited)
Everett Creach .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Tom Hennesy .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
Ted White .... stunts (uncredited)

Memorable Quotes

Major Kendall: Look here, colonel, I didn't ask to be assigned to this mission...
Col. John Marlowe: Kirby, you tangle with me, I'll have your hide.
Sgt. Maj. Kirby: You're welcome to that too sir, if it's in the line of duty.

Major Kendall: Now come off it Colonel, even you were born.

Miss Hannah Hunter: They'll catch up to you and cut you to pieces, you nameless, fatherless scum.

[After Marlowe gets slapped]
Major Kendall: I suggest you see a doctor.

INFORMATION IMDb

Our VHS tape of The Horse Soldiers hasn't worked for a long time, so recently I was able to pick up a DVD and get to watch the movie again.

Deep Discount DVD (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=horse+soldiers&search.x=0&search.y=0) has the DVD and one movie poster.

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000059TFU/qid=1139212758/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3581901-1689624?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130) has the DVD within a few cents of Deep Discount, and is a source for VHS as well.

Chester :newyear:

Superb movie that is one of my favourites. Great storyline action and Grade A cast.

In terms of Cavalry movies made by Ford I would rate this higher than Rio Grande or Fort Apache.

Mike

Wow that's a heap of praise you threw on this film DukePilgrim.

Not one to disagree with you as I like the film as well but, my biggest problem is the ending, to me it just seemed unfinished, like there was something that happened but it was cut out. And for that reason alone I cannot put it above Fort Apache, Rio Grande maybe, but not Fort Apache.

Hi Viper

The Horse Soldiers was cut short because of Fred Kennedy's death, The film should have finished with the soldiers led by Marlowe making a triumphful entrance to New Orleans but after the ragic death of the stuntman Ford's heart wasn't in it and he basically walked away from the picture ending it in the quickest and least messy way that he could.

Regards

Arthur

Hi Viper & Arthur

I know praise from me it is a rarity LOL

I do genuinely believe this film deserves it. It is extremely well crafted and
detailed and was Ford's major attempt at a Civil War movie.

I know that Ford basically went off on a bender after Fred Kennedy's death and that in most people eyes the film was cut short by his lack of interest.

However when you look at the film what else was there to add to the movie apart from a happy wrap i.e. A triumphant return to the Union Army after a successful mission. A reuniting of Marlowe and Constance after the war . We know these things are going to happen its just that we don’t see it.

I would be of the opinion that Ford had the film already planned in his head much like directors like Hitchcock. There may have been little touches here or there but very little would have been added.

Also, remember that Horse Soldiers runs at 119 minutes so it is not a short movie.

I think the fact that the movie got poor reviews on its release and the knowledge that Ford lost interest has built up the mystique that the director was planning more for this movie than ever filmed.

Just to put i :rolleyes: n my two bob's worth about The Horse Soldiers. The film to me started very well with good charaterisation from Duke and William Holden. Unfortunately this didn't continue for all of the film. I must admit to enjoying the stoushes between John Wayne and Constance Towers. Also I had the pleasure of meeting Althea Gibson in the UK. A very pleasant lady to talk to. Anyway a reasonable film but not one of Ford's or Duke's best.
Regards
Redcap

I've always been a Russell Simpson fan since I first watched him as Pa Joad in 'The Grapes of Wrath'. I enjoyed the amusing scene he shared with Denver Pyle and Strother Martin in this film.


-ncb

Nice photo of Duke and Constance Towers,
and rather than a full 'Pals' on her,
here's a couple of pix,
proving what a real beauty she was!


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I notice that IMDb doesn't have a photo of Ms. Towers, who appears to still be alive. Maybe you could supply them with a photo. Or does that have to come from an agent?

Chester :newyear:

Hi Jim

When I and some other fans of John Wayne wanted the photo of John Wayne changed on his homepage of the IMDB, it was only achieved when we contacted the John Wayne estate. I had previously emailed the IMDB and they told me any changes could only be made when the IMDB was contacted by the estate of a particular actor/actress.

:agent:

I hope you enjoy this poster -

Nice poster for a great film

Keith,

Thank you. This is one that Les Adams, from Abilene, Texas shared with us.

Chester :newyear:

Hi

Les is a true gentleman. Heres one of my favourite photographs (among many of my favourite photographs) from the film.

The Horse Soldiers.JPGhttp://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/22545ead73ca2a7b.jpg



Regards

Arthur

Hi Arthur,

It was good to see that photo again. When i was 14, not particulary a Wayne, but definatly a western fan, this was the picture amongst others that were shown outside the cinema, and it was through this picture that persuaded me to go in and see the movie, i wasn't disapointed.

Reference the earlier posting, i assume that this film isn't included in the cavalry trilogy because they were made within a fairly short time scale, and devoted more to the expansion of the west, as against the civil war. Just a thought.

Chris.

Hi Chris

I think that Ford always dreamed of making an epic civil war movie, and I think that this was the closest he ever got to achieving his dream.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

Here is what I think is a brilliant portait photograph of John Wayne as Colonel John Marlowe in The Horse Soldiers



Regards

Arthur

Hi

Early on in the picture ol Marlowe (Wayne) has his first encounter with Major Hank Kendell and his assistant Otis 'Hoppy' Hopkins (O.Z.Whitehead) as they are checking Jack Pennick.


Regards


Arthur

Very nice pictures Arthur.

And I think the photo of Duke above is very good.

Thanks.

Hi

Later on in the picture with Marlowe's command deep into Confederate territory they bivouac at the plantation owned by Hannah Hunter (Constance Towers) After dinner Marlowe informs his officers among whom are Col Phil Seacord (Willis Bouchey) & Major Richard Grey (William Leslie), of his plans to move on to New Orleans rather than retreat back through enemy country.

Hi

Once in Newton Grange the Union forces set about destroying everything considered vital to the Confederate war effort.

Discovering that a telegraph messege has been sent and a train is on the way Marlowe awaits its arrival.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

Following the death of Union cavalryman Dunker (Bing Russell) after having his leg amputated, and finally annoyed by Marlowe's constant criticism Major Kendell finally loses his temper.

Hi

Under attack and chased by the Confederate forces Col Marlowe watched by Major Richard Grey (William Leslie) and Col Seacord (Willis Bouchey) listens as Deacon Clump (Hank Worden) and Cpl Wilkie (Ken Curtis) explain that they know the whereabout of a secret trail through the swamp.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

With the Confederate forces in hot pursuit Col Marlowe (John Wayne) takes his farewell of Hannah (Constance Towers)


Regards

Arthur

Hi

To finish a portrait photograph of Marlowe (John Wayne) and Hannah Hunter (Constance Towers) together.


Regards

Arthur

Just giving everyone a head's up. If you've never seen this great movie, TCM will be airing it tonight at 6 pm est.

Super movie well worth watching!!

Mike

This movie is one of the lesser team efforts by Duke and Pappy, I still enjoy the fool out of it but it's lacking something that was present in their earlier pairings. I prefer Donovan's Reef over this one. However the Chemistry between Holden and Wayne is great. And of course how could I neglect to mention the wonderful, and eternally old Hank Worden, he livened up many a film .

In the scene where the children are marching to attack, wasn't that based on a true story?

And as far as the Bing Russell posts go, that was good info as I never knew he was Kurt's father.

Based on the true story of Col. Benjamin H. Grierson. In the Spring of 1863, Grierson left bases in northern Mississippi, taking 1,700 troopers with him. According to Bruce Catton, Grierson "drove through central Mississippi, tearing up railroads and upsetting [Confederate General] Pemberton's troop deployments before reaching Union-held Baton Rouge."

I can't say about the children's academy scene being true. To me it seems a bit far fetched.

The children's academy scene was necessary to reinforce the anti-war theme of this movie. I have always enjoyed The Horse Soldiers, mainly because of the excellent William Holden who was great in everything from The Wild Bunch and Network to Damien II! It's certainly less dated than any of the Cavalry Trilogy. Wayne gave an underrated performnace, I think it would have been more effective if his character had been seen to get killed at the end.

8/10.

I can't agree that Cavalry trilogy is dated. It is true classic. Horse Soldiers is one of my all time favorites too, even if it is often less regarded as other Ford movies.
Regards,
Senta

Hi everyone,
Around 1975 still CD has not spread generally, i purchased the Record
that an original sound track recording of The Horse Soldiers.
this LP was suddenly released in Japan through United Artists Recording.
The score by David Buttolph is a clever use of Civil War standards and
orijinal compostions.
A side list is 1 Dixie 2I Left My Love 3 Lorena 4 Bonnie Blue Flag 5 I Left My Love
6When Jonny Comes Marching Home.
B side is 1Bonnie Blue Flag 2 The Girl I Left Behind 3 Deep River-Lorena 4Kingdom Coming 5 Tenting Tonight 6By the Campfire 7 When Jonny Comes Marching.

When I sometimes hear this record,I lomg for this movie.
sorry,i attached wrong photo,but nice photo.
below this,record jacket photo.

Regards,
H.sanada

More pictures i attached.
I like this title back scene,very beautiful.
Indeed ,it is a western motifs like John Ford.

Regards,
H.sanada

Another movie I need to purchase on DVD to replace my VHS version

Excellent cavalry movie, William Holden was in a great part, and I enjoyed the 'irratation' between him and Duke

The look on Dukes face when at the southern ladies house when Duke and his officers are enjoying a meal and she is rattling on about how romantic it must be being a train driver and Duke growled back that he was an engineer - memorable :teeth_smile:

Ding-dong, ding-dong !!!

Here is an example of the book and comic about the movie. They were both put out by Dell, the first is the book, second is the comic. Enjoy!

Mark

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http://www.alljohnwayne.com/Comics/horsesoldiers.jpg

Mark,Thanks for your rare pictuers.

Here is another one. It's japanese press sheet for The Horse Soldiers. Enjoy.
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H.sanada

You know, H.sanada...I'm really starting to envy you your collection. You have a lot of very nice Duke related mememtos. I don't have any movie posters, but I do have a few Press Books in my collection. We all have a little collector in us, don't we? :wink_smile:

Mark

You know, H.sanada...I'm really starting to envy you your collection. You have a lot of very nice Duke related mememtos. I don't have any movie posters, but I do have a few Press Books in my collection. We all have a little collector in us, don't we? :wink_smile:

Mark
In the world,there must be a moe terrible collector.and i had never met JW besides
on screen.(so,i envy W.T.Brooks or others in USA )
However, I'll introduce my little collection as much as i can to young JWMB members
who have common interest.It's my pleasure.

Well,as you teached me ,i put my photo in "My gallery" and link it in my post.
But, photo is not seen, linked underline is just seen. i cant figure out. why?

Regards,
H.sanada

I'll try to explain how I do it. It may not be the correct way, but it works. I go to the picture I want to add from my gallery, and highlight (double-click on) the address next to the BB Code IMG slot. Then I click "copy" and go back to the post I am working on and click on the "Add Photo Icon" in the menue bar and paste the address in the space provided. Now here's the trick...the address will look something like this...

http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/21459b714095f7b.jpg

What I do is delete the [img] in front and the [img/] in the back of the address. Then when you ok the popup, the picture will appear in your post. I hope this helps.

If there is an easier way that another member knows of, jump in and let us know. I'm always looking to learn.:teeth_smile:

Mark

P.S. I just learned something while attempting to show you how to do this. If you just cut and paste the address directly with the [img] and [img/] intact into the post, the picture appears as it should when you post it. Hmmm. Try it either way, H.sanada and one or the other should work. I hope I didn't confuse you.

Hello Mark,
Thanks for your kind explain how to use my photos.
i did successfully.Thank you so much.
However ,my photo of The Horse Soldiers is too large?
i'm surprised.

H.sanada

Hi H.sanada,

If you find a photo too big,
just downsize it here till it fits!!

Photo Resize (http://www.bigwebpages.com/big/resize.html)

Hi H.sanada,

If you find a photo too big,
just downsize it here till it fits!!

Photo Resize (http://www.bigwebpages.com/big/resize.html)

Thanks Keith,
i'll try it.

Regards,
H.sanada

One of my favourites William Holden Movie :wink: All moments between Holden and Duke are marvellous and worth to watch The Horse Soldiers.
It's a pity that John Ford didn't made something like a Civil War Trilogy with Duke as he did with him with the great Cavalry Trilogy.

A scene with children in war is always disturbing. That's why John Ford put it into the movie to show the terror of war. Don't know many movies which shows children fighting in wars. Another I'm thinking of is the German Classic "Die Brücke" aka The Bridge which shows children soldiers in WW 2.

I watched recently a TV (German) version of The Horse Soldiers. Then I compared it with my Region-2 DVD. What a disappointment. The picture on the DVD is zoomed and sligthly butchered left and right so there are some information's missing. Something like I just don't like. Unfortunately I didn't recorded the TV Version.

Horse Soldiers is a very good movie. Rio Lobo may have been a bit more realistic of the fighting involved, but still the overall presentation was good.
Kids did take part in battles during the Civil War. The South simply ran out of men, and if women were allowed to fight they would have joined, and some did fight unknown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Market
A link to the New Market Battle where the VMI Cadets took part in a battle. Ages 15-21, but the majority were 15 since the older kids were already wearing grey.

@ShortGrub: Thanks for the link. I'm always interested in US History and as middle european I have to learn a lot about the Civil War. :book:

One of my favourites William Holden Movie :wink: All moments between Holden and Duke are marvellous and worth to watch The Horse Soldiers.
It's a pity that John Ford didn't made something like a Civil War Trilogy with Duke as he did with him with the great Cavalry Trilogy.

A scene with children in war is always disturbing. That's why John Ford put it into the movie to show the terror of war. Don't know many movies which shows children fighting in wars. Another I'm thinking of is the German Classic "Die Brücke" aka The Bridge which shows children soldiers in WW 2.

I watched recently a TV (German) version of The Horse Soldiers. Then I compared it with my Region-2 DVD. What a disappointment. The picture on the DVD is zoomed and sligthly butchered left and right so there are some information's missing. Something like I just don't like. Unfortunately I didn't recorded the TV Version.

I think your region 2 version is a bootleg or a non authorized version as the region 1 that I have is a widescreen presentation with no zooming of the scenes. I think Elle mentioned something about converting your dvd player to a all region player, maybe ask her how it is done and try to get the regino 1 version.

I think your region 2 version is a bootleg or a non authorized version as the region 1 that I have is a widescreen presentation with no zooming of the scenes. I think Elle mentioned something about converting your dvd player to a all region player, maybe ask her how it is done and try to get the regino 1 version.
Sorry for the confusion but I think it was a technical issue with my DVD player :frusty: Don't really understand it cause I tried the DVD on a other player and the picture was Widescreen. The region 2 DVD must be the same as Region 1 and don't worry it's an official release.

I saw this a few months ago and it is a beautifully filmed masterpiece. Duke and William Holen were superb as always.

I saw this film with my dad in the theater.It was different then most Wayne westers'Iam not mistaking . He did not fire a shot.
And did the same thing in SHE WORE a YELLOW RIBBON.

I saw this film with my dad in the theater.

I suspect many of us wish we could say the same.

Chester :newyear:

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This is the next JW movie I am going to rewatch !!!! Then I'm heading into the older ones... 1930's here I come !!!

Dee x

Watched this last night, you know you are a fan when you sing along to the song " I Left My Love " !!!!

Dee x

You Old Hands already know this but for those who haven't seen it
http://www.folgergallery.com/Prints/Stivers_Wait_at_Vicksburg.jpg

This is a limited edition print done by renowned Civil War (and American history) artist Don Stivers (http://www.donstivers.com/index.cfm). You can match it to one of the photos earlier in the thread. I understand that this is the only time in Stiver's profligate career that he released a print based on a movie. Most of his work was done based on historical events with the occasional romanticized portarit of an individual with no name who symbolized a type of character. Commander/First Sergeant/Bugler/Soldier departing or returning home, etc.

It shows the impact of the Duke that such an artist of Stivers reputation would immortalize a movie. The name of the print is "Wait at Vicksburg" and they show up on E-bay occassionally and might still be found in an art stores stocks though I haven't seen one lately. There's a framed one on E-bay now for $400 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Don-Stivers-Print-John-Wayne-Framed-Wait-at-Vicksburg-/150659288767?pt=Art_Prints&hash=item2313fe4ebf)

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Maybe some of yall can help me figure this out. Only thing I can think of is that Fred Kennedy may have already had his fatal fall, and Duke was worried when Chuck Hayward did his fall.
Just before Colonel Marlowe got shot, he was standing outside the cabin with the Doc. After hearing gunfire, the scouts were coming back over the bridge....I still don't know what Marlowe yelled at them. Anyway, Good Chuck, the last rider begins his fall just coming off the bridge. I didn't see anything unusual about it, but I am not an expert on falls. Looked as if he landed fine. But as Marlowe and the Doc were watching before they went to get the fallen soldier, all of a sudden Duke's eyes and face took on a most horrified look....not just that of seeing a wounded man fall....more like seeing a close friend massacred or something of the sort. Kind of like the look he had when he realized the planes hadn't seen them in Island in the Sky. It was NOT a normal Duke response. Did anyone notice it? Anyone know why? If not, will someone well versed in this movie check it out? I am most curious about it. It is one of my favorites. Oh, a Dee X commented that "Watched this last night, you know you are a fan when you sing along to the song " I Left My Love " !!!!I knew I was a fan when I started singing it as Dunker did right before he was told his leg would have to come off. Good thing I live alone and not too close to neighbors! Thanks for any help, KPKEITH

These:

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Thanks for the great pics Ringo Kid. I still don't know why Duke has that look on his face......post before this. If anyone knows, kindly pass it on. Thanks KPKEITH

In my opinion Constance Towers is mis-cast and lets the side down with her performance, although she does deliver the funniest line in the film: " Care for some more leg or breast? as she leans over the table with the lowest cut top. The Duke replies "No thank you mam, I've had quite enough".

[QUOTE=BatjacAuburn;109523]You Old Hands already know this but for those who haven't seen it
http://www.folgergallery.com/Prints/Stivers_Wait_at_Vicksburg.jpg

This is a limited edition print done by renowned Civil War (and American history) artist Don Stivers (http://www.donstivers.com/index.cfm). You can match it to one of the photos earlier in the thread. I understand that this is the only time in Stiver's profligate career that he released a print based on a movie. Most of his work was done based on historical events with the occasional romanticized portarit of an individual with no name who symbolized a type of character. Commander/First Sergeant/Bugler/Soldier departing or returning home, etc./QUOTE]

thanks for posting, I'd never seen his work before, it's amazing.

At the same time after she offers him more chicken, she puts her hand on his and he pulls his away and looks around to see if anyone else saw. I guess NOBODY saw that crazy look on his face that I referred to a few posts back.
Dang.......it was SO out of character, I can't imagine why he did it! I can't believe it got left in the picture! KPKEITH

At the same time after she offers him more chicken, she puts her hand on his and he pulls his away and looks around to see if anyone else saw. I guess NOBODY saw that crazy look on his face that I referred to a few posts back.
Dang.......it was SO out of character, I can't imagine why he did it! I can't believe it got left in the picture! KPKEITH

You've def got a thing about this look! :wink_smile:
I'm going to have to put it on again just to catch it!

OH GOOD. Yes, this has bothered me considerably. I figured if I kept mentioning it, somebody knowlegable would finally check it for me. Should have known it would be you Peter, as I mentioned that the out of character expression was similar to the ones of Island in the Sky! Beside, you are just a good, nice fellah to help to ease this old Lady's mind!

It is after they are settling in at the bridge and the scouts sent across it come galloping back as gunfire is beginning to break out and soldiers are diving for cover in a ditch. (I may be a little off there, but I have already sent it back and cannot check).....you can't miss it though. Colonel Marlowe and Doc are standing together. The last of the scouts, actually Good Chuck does a horse fall just off the bridge....looked OK to me. Marlow and Doc look and then Marlowe gets this terrified look on his face and he and Doc go to get the fallen soldier, now an older partially bald man, and bring him in to the safety of the cabin. The only POSSIBLE explanation I can think of is that Fred Kennedy had already performed his fatal horse fall, and Duke was worried about Chuck. Just doesn't seem to "fit my pistol" though. So, you see what YOU think Peter. Thanks SO MUCH, KPKEITH


You've def got a thing about this look! :wink_smile:
I'm going to have to put it on again just to catch it!

I am sure we get around to looking at this scene.
However I take the point that it could have well
captured the moment of that fatal fall.



John Ford suspended location filming in Louisiana
after Fred Kennedy was killed performing a riding stunt.
The film was later completed in California.

That has been what has bothered me I am afraid. If so, they, of course changed it around. But Duke and the DOC where standing by the cabin. I thought I saw the fatal fall across the bridge over where the rebel cannons were.......but, maybe that wasn't it. Thanks all, KPKEITH

That has been what has bothered me I am afraid. If so, they, of course changed it around. But Duke and the DOC where standing by the cabin. I thought I saw the fatal fall across the bridge over where the rebel cannons were.......but, maybe that wasn't it. Thanks all, KPKEITH

Agreed, I also remember thinking that the fall is visible in the film. A sad story.

Has Anyone gone back and seen that horrific look on Duke's face yet?

Has Anyone gone back and seen that horrific look on Duke's face yet?

Haven't had a chance, yet, though the scene with Constance Towers "leaning over the table with the lowest cut top" might inspire me to dig it out! :wink_smile:

Chester :newyear:

Why Jim, Hunny, do you mean the one with the "breast or the leg" one?

Watch it BUSTER, I have my eye on you while Sue is away, and I ain't no Constance Towers, I can assure you!

SOMEBODY look at it....wish a LOT of you would! I've only asked about a million times! Wondering if DUKE really SAW the actual fatal accident of Fred Kennedy. I can think of NO other reason for that crazed look! Also can't understand why the producers didn't take it out.....it has no place in the movie scene! Make sure you frame by frame it.

I posted my silly ol' answer for the Group Watch, Jim Hunny. Just in case you get a few hours to read it. Yes, afraid my verbosity just flittered away from me again, Dahlin'!

SOMEBODY look at it....wish a LOT of you would! I've only asked about a million times! Make sure you frame by frame it!

Hey KPKieth, I'm going to look now on my Blu ray copy just to keep you happy!
I'll report back on here in a while!:wink_smile:

I was certain I had found it....it was Fred's face 99% sure. But it doesn't go with what I have heard of the fall. The one I saw, right after the handsome gung ho Major gets shot and crawls under the wagon by the wheel, Fred begins his fall before he gets to the torch carrier, (with which to touch off the cannon ). He puts both arms around the man, (falling off the left of his horse), and he is still partially on his horse....believe the left foot is in the stirrup and the right up on the saddle. They both fall to stage left, the direction Fred's horse is traveling, and you see them almost hit the ground. This MUST have been one of Fred's other horse falls in the movie. However, I thought that Ford gave him the ONE ONLY as he was getting older because he said he needed money......hence Pappy's EXTRA problems over the fatal fall beside the fact that they had been good friends for many years. I tried to see the person behind him because he said he was right there, he started to fall, his horse shied from the fire, and he landed on his head. It was not in the scene. Hope some others will give this a frame by frame look and see why they think Duke looked like that....very scary. Thanks Peter, and I HOPE a bunch more of you. KPKEITH


Agreed, I also remember thinking that the fall is visible in the film. A sad story.

Dang Peter, you make me sound as if I am a bother. Thought we were supposed to see things like this and pass them on to learn. Thanks anyway, handsome feller! KPKEITH


Hey KPKieth, I'm going to look now on my Blu ray copy just to keep you happy!
I'll report back on here in a while!:wink_smile:

Dang Peter, you make me sound as if I am a bother. Thought we were supposed to see things like this and pass them on to learn. Thanks anyway, handsome feller! KPKEITH

It's called friendly teasing over here in the UK.:wink_smile:
I've watched the bridge crossing bit but not sure I see what you have described in your latest post?

Well goodness, the main thing was seeing Marlowe and DOC standing together and watching the last scout coming over fall off his horse, Chuck Hayward by the way. THAT is when Duke has that scared to death look.....Frame by frame! I tease you friendly also my big buddy!

The other is a fall of Kennedy's or someone who really looks like him and that is over at the cannons when the whole brigade went over to fight them.


It's called friendly teasing over here in the UK.:wink_smile:
I've watched the bridge crossing bit but not sure I see what you have described in your latest post?

I've watched it again and it's very difficult to make out. Not being an expert in stunt falls it's really hard to tell. Regarding the Duke's reaction in the earlier scene it does seem a little extreme for what was going on but my take on it is that that was the Duke doing his thing.
Obviously this is all personal opinion and someone else may see it differently.

Two thumbs up! FOUR STARS!!! One of his best!!! Could watch it every day! bill

Yep, great movie, Wtrayah!. I DID watch it every day for about a month......finding extras, stunt guys, uncrediteds, etc. But, I would have to watch it just all the way through with no stops once in a while for the pure enjoyment of it.
Wonder how it would have ended out?

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I just watched that look John Wayne gives, personally I think it is perfectly understandable in the context of witnessing a comrade falling off his horse under fire. The look is even all that dramatic and I don't think there is anything to read into here.

Thanks for your comment Robbie. Did you watch it frame by frame? I never thought much of it until I did. And Duke just stood there a split second looking after Doc has already started moving.

Thanks for posting it Jim. Can save my Netflix orders for other movies on that one! KP


I just watched that look John Wayne gives, personally I think it is perfectly understandable in the context of witnessing a comrade falling off his horse under fire. The look is even all that dramatic and I don't think there is anything to read into here.

Over on IMDb, in the message board section of this movie, Fred Kennedy's former step-daughter responds to questions about him and his death during filming.

It's an interesting read.

Thanks for your comment Robbie. Did you watch it frame by frame? I never thought much of it until I did. And Duke just stood there a split second looking after Doc has already started moving.

Thanks for posting it Jim. Can save my Netflix orders for other movies on that one! KP

Could you advise the exact time on Chester's attachment above when this look is visible as I may have watched the wrong scene.

Hi Robbie, Dooley and I had been doing PMs about this until I posted it here.
"Well goodness, the main thing was seeing Marlowe and DOC standing together and watching the last scout coming over fall off his horse, Chuck Hayward by the way. THAT is when Duke has that scared to death look.....Frame by frame! I tease you friendly also my big buddy!" What I said to Dooley.

After the brigade came to the bridge and cabin, scouts were sent across the bridge. Duke was talking to Constance when shooting broke out. He sent her off and ended up standing next to Doc who had just ridden up on horseback....this is all Just Before Duke got shot....firing broke out and the scouts were coming back across the bridge. Doc and Duke were standing together when they saw the scouts coming back into unfriendly fire. Doc says, "Looks like they got us in a trap". Duke yelled something I haven't figured out yet. Then, Hayward did his fall just after he got off the bridge. Doc immediately started running to get him while Duke just stood there with his mouth half opened. Then Duke's expression turned to one of terror. Colonels hate to see their men possibly hurt, but I don't believe they look like that.......maybe if a whole regiment was wiped out or something. Then Doc and Duke both went to get him and bring him to the cabin. Next Duke, on the porch steps says, "Cpt. Woodard, MOVE" and runs into the open space where he is shot in the lower leg.
Well, Robbie, that should give you the exact place. It is very near the end of the movie. Have a super day, and let us know if it was the wrong place. Maybe I am just crazy.....well, we already KNEW that! KPKEITH

Watched it again; I think it's superb acting from Duke you'll note he is full of passion leading up to the scouts getting to the bridge; he really gets into this scene and blows Holden out of the water.

I think what you have done here is give another fine example of Duke's superb acting ability.

I have to agree with Robbie.
I don't read anymore into Duke's facial action,
then one's I've seen previously.
Just good acting at the most!

I did notice however that even though
David Buttolph is credited with the Original Music,
many of the scenes particularly between Duke and Constance Towers,
features the theme music from The Searchers
written by Max Steiner

This film has always been one of my top favourites,
and after this latest viewing, it remains so

OK, I bow to the Masters, LOL. Just never have seen him look like that in that type of situation, even when troopers were killed. To me, unless there was another reason, for Duke it was overacting.

But, I shall cease and desist! KP Thanks for looking, Dooley, Ethan, and Robbie!

If only Victor Mclaglen could have starred in this movie! That would have been the Iceing on the Cake!!!

Yep Wtrayah, however there was quite a bit of the company in there. I didn't like Mclaglin at first, and am still probably spelling his name wrong, but that big guy just grows on ya. He wiggles his way into your heart. I LOVED him in Ft. Apache. He was so proud of Lt. Michael O'Rourke! And the looks he gave, as when he was coming out of the guard house and Ward was stripping his rank. I almost took it personally when all of those great guys died all because of Colonel Friday. Shoot, I almost stopped loving Henry Fonda, LOL. May I ask what is Wtrayah for and how do you pronounce it? I am sure it is something that I should readily know. As Duke would say,
"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
Are you getting a bunch of pop up ads while you are posting? Just started with me a few days and has caused me to lose some posts. Hope I don't have a "bug" in my 'puter! KPKEITH

Victor would have just been alive long enough (he passed away in November 1959)
to have been included in this film, released that same year.
He has always been a favourite of mine.
Pals Of The Saddle- Victor MacLaglen (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1952)

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Story Behind Fred Kennedy's Death
by Walter Reed

Newspaper ad for "The Horse Soldiers" starring John Wayne.Walter Reed,
who portrayed a Union officer in “Horse Soldiers”, told Western Clippings,
he disagrees slightly with Hayward’s assessment and vehemently with Burt Kennedy’s account
(in his book HOLLYWOOD TRAIL BOSS) that Fred Kennedy died in Ford’s arms.

Ford liked 48 year old Kennedy and used him whenever he could, altho Kennedy
was out of condition. On this particular day, Ford had pre-arranged a practical joke
on Kennedy involving leading lady Constance Towers. Kennedy was doubling
William Holden near Natchitoches, LA.

There were several of us in a Cavalry charge. I was riding right behind Fred when he died on location.
He starts to do this saddle fall, which he’d done many of in his day, and just as he started to go over,
the horse shied away from this little tiny campfire.
It changed his trajectory and Kennedy landed right on his head. I’m right behind him.
A joke had been pre-planned where Connie Towers ran in to Fred and said,
‘Oh my darling….’ You see, Fred was very bashful and shy.
Anyway, Connie went into her act and picked Fred up and all of a sudden she exclaimed
, ‘There’s something wrong.’ Ford may have gone over then
, but Connie was the one who picked Fred up and started the kidding joke; but he was out.
They put him on the back of a pickup and we listened on the 2-way radio.
When he got there, the hospital pronounced him DOA.
The fall broke his neck, I guess. It upset Ford so much, he said right then,
‘Wrap it up, we’re going home.’ We had two more days but he did ‘em out at Iverson
or somewhere in California.
There’s a picture I have that shows Kennedy falling, with me right behind him.”
Information from Western Clippings- Neil Summers

Victor would have just been alive long enough (he passed away in November 1959)
to have been included in this film, released that same year.
He has always been a favourite of mine.
Pals Of The Saddle- Victor MacLaglen (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1952)


He would have been perfect in the top sergeant part. To me, the part screamed for a more familiar face in the part.

He would have been perfect in the top sergeant part. To me, the part screamed for a more familiar face in the part.

Must have been a reason they pulled Jack Pennick with the Malaria bit, but, although I was a bit upset with the new fellah coming in, I quite enjoyed his performance. Any of the others would have had more pomp and circumstance, I would think. He was a bit slip shod. But, he always seemed to do his job well and be ahead of his orders, usually.
I, of course, thought of Ward, but then, he was a too old and thoroughly entrenched in the MAJOR Adams character.

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No offense to Connie Towers (and I really MEAN that, I'm not just saying it), but I think she was MUCH prettier with her hair DOWN, even though I realize it didn't fit the historical period confines of her character.

No offense to Connie Towers (and I really MEAN that, I'm not just saying it), but I think she was MUCH prettier with her hair DOWN, even though I realize it didn't fit the historical period confines of her character.
You know that crossed my mind when I saw the photo.
She looks so much more natural, and would be in fashion today!

I also agree. She is a looker either way, but prettier with her hair down.

The picture above with her beside her horse looks odd. She looks to be levitating. She must have been jumping off her horse, but looks like she is just floating there.

Mark

LOL Mark, I saw that too. Then I was sure it was when she was getting down to go to Lukey after she was shot. But....it isn't. It is when the two Confederate deserters were found by Russell Simpson and they had caught HIM at the old barn. She slid off her horse to go to him. Does look a bit strange, doesn't it, LOL! So now you know, Pard!

Congrats on your win. Hope you will like your sketch!

HAGO, Keith By the way, I am sure she looks good however her hair is, but I prefer to think about the men and theirs, LOL. Sure wish they had done a better job with Duke's toupee.....especially in the back. I know folks who have them and you would never know.......they even go swimming with them!
KP

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That still made me laugh out loud. It looks like Lucy Ricardo and Ethel Mertz planning to sneak into Ricky's nightclub.




We deal in lead, friend.

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Great photo, once again

That reminds of the "closed set" fight scene in "Blazing Saddles" with the male dancers in tuxes "fighting" the newly-arrived cowboys...you know, where the guy is pounding on the cowboy screaming "Oh, you brute, you brute, you VICIOUS brute," and then he breaks down crying on the guy's chest!!

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Trying to post pictures that Larry hasn't already posted. Apologies if there's a dupe or twohttp://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u401/billohara7/the%20alamo/second%20album/File_zpse4885b10.jpg

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This is my absolute favorite.http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u401/billohara7/the%20alamo/second%20album/File3_zpsdb9f5064.jpg

Great Bill.
REALLY love the color one....Looks like Sgt. Major there had a snootfull of that Who Hit John the night before. Was upset when he took Jack Pennick's spot, but I ended up liking him in the part. KEITH

Great still Bill.

Damn I'm rhyming my posts now!

Love the over saturated tones on colour photographs from this era.

A few from the fistfighthttp://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u401/billohara7/the%20alamo/second%20album/File6_zpsbba2ae9a.jpg

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Duke's not in this one, but I like the scenehttp://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u401/billohara7/the%20alamo/second%20album/File9_zps781193be.jpg

Yep, and her kid ended up being spanked by Ken Curtis, LOL. Forgot all about the fight scene...great pics, Bill. Time to watch Horse Soldiers again! KEITH


Duke's not in this one, but I like the scenehttp://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u401/billohara7/the%20alamo/second%20album/File9_zps781193be.jpg

Yes. That's the very beautiful Anna Lee, who co-starred with JW in "Flying Tigers"

She was a favorite of Pappy Ford, appearing in many of his films. She was Mrs. Collingwood in Fort Apache.

Yes. That's the very beautiful Anna Lee, who co-starred with JW in "Flying Tigers"

She was a favorite of Pappy Ford, appearing in many of his films. She was Mrs. Collingwood in Fort Apache.

Yep, favorite of mine too. I wanted SO for her to go after her husband when she got the notice of his appointment to the Point. KEITH
Dang she doesn't look like Mrs. Collingwood there! Sure nuff time to watch the Horse Soldiers again!

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Great photo Bill,
love the line of horses!

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Here's an intense shot of Bing Russell, Kurt's father.http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u401/billohara7/the%20alamo/second%20album/File13_zpsb1da73a4.jpg

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Fantastic stills Gorch. So glad Ladyhawk got you up and running and you're sharing them with us.

Bill, thanks for even more!

Oh Bill, I have NEVER seen some of these at all..........they are GREAT!
How's your foot, OLD MAN, (I can call him that..we are the same age, LOL)?
You amaze me more every day.

Sure would like to see a pic on Ford Point, (think that was it........anyway it was large and flat), in The Searchers after Ethan has just taken at look at the Indian encampment and returned to the Reverend. They were very close to each other in a close up of their faces almost. Also, I think the huge close-up of Duke was just before that when he whistled. If you find them, send them on, LOL.

Sometimes I hope your foot doesn't get well too soon.......not very nice of me, in fact downright SELFISH! Hope you are categorizing everything as you go and saving the pics offsite besides Photobucket and your computer.
KEITH

Great shots, Gorch! I am pleased you are sharing them with a much appreciative group.

Mark

Great shots, Gorch! I am pleased you are sharing them with a much appreciative group.

Mark


Very true Mark. Man, that shot of Dunker is chilling knowing what was going through the character's mind! Just imagine! KEITH

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Merci, Larry........Love this one. Something coming for you tomorrow, be on the look out.

Tu AMI, KEITH

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Somewhere in NYC ~ 1959

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