THE HORSE SOLDIERS

DIRECTED BY JOHN FORD
PRDUCED BY MIRISH/ CORPORATION/MAHIN-RACKIN
UNITED ARTISTS

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INFORMATION BY IMDb

Plot Summary
A Union Cavalry outfit is sent behind confederate lines in strength
to destroy a rail/supply centre.
Along with them is sent a doctor who causes instant antipathy between
him and the commander.
The secret plan for the mission is overheard by a southern belle
who must be taken along to assure her silence.
The Union officers each have different reasons for wanting to be on the mission.

Full Cast
John Wayne .... Col. John Marlowe
William Holden .... Maj. Henry 'Hank' Kendall (regimental surgeon)
Constance Towers .... Miss Hannah Hunter of Greenbriar
Judson Pratt .... Sgt. Maj. Kirby
Hoot Gibson .... Sgt. Brown
Ken Curtis .... Cpl. Wilkie
Willis Bouchey .... Col. Phil Secord
Bing Russell .... Dunker, Yankee Soldier Amputee
O.Z. Whitehead .... Otis 'Hoppy' Hopkins (medical assistant)
Hank Worden .... Deacon Clump
Chuck Hayward .... Union captain
Denver Pyle .... Jackie Jo (rebel deserter)
Strother Martin .... Virgil (rebel deserter)
Basil Ruysdael .... The Reverend (Jefferson Military Academy)
Carleton Young .... Col. Jonathan Miles, CSA
William Leslie .... Maj. Richard Gray
William Henry .... Confederate lieutenant
Walter Reed .... Union officer
Anna Lee .... Mrs. Buford
William Forrest .... Gen. Steve Hurlbut
Ron Hagerthy .... Bugler
Russell Simpson .... Acting Sheriff Henry Goodbody
Althea Gibson .... Lukey (Hannah Hunter's maid)
Sarge Allen .... Union officer (uncredited)
Danny Borzage .... Ned (uncredited)
Richard H. Cutting .... Gen. William T. Sherman (uncredited)
Fred Graham .... Union soldier (uncredited)
Sam Harris .... Passenger to Newton Station (uncredited)
Stuart Holmes .... Passenger to Newton Station (uncredited)
Stan Jones .... Gen. Ulysses S. Grant (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... Soldier (uncredited)
Roy Kennedy .... Wrangler (uncredited)
Jack Pennick .... Sgt. Maj. 'Mitch' Mitchell (uncredited)
Charles Seel .... Newton Station bartender (uncredited)
Jan Stine .... Union General (uncredited)
William Wellman Jr. .... Bugler (uncredited)

Writing Credits
Harold Sinclair (story)
John Lee Mahin (screenplay) and
Martin Rackin (screenplay)

Produced
John Lee Mahin .... producer (uncredited)
Martin Rackin .... producer (uncredited)

Original Music
David Buttolph

Cinematography
William H. Clothier

Stunts
Jim Burk .... stunts (uncredited)
Everett Creach .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Tom Hennesy .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
Ted White .... stunts (uncredited)

Trivia
John Ford suspended location filming in Louisiana after Fred Kennedy was killed performing a riding stunt. The film was later completed in California.

The film marked the beginning of mega-deals for Hollywood stars. John Wayne and William Holden received $775,000 each, plus 20% of the overall profits, an unheard-of sum for that time. The final contract involved six companies and numbered twice the pages of the movie's script. The film, however, was a financial failure, with no profits to be shared in the end.

The film is based on the true-life raid by Col. Benjamin Grierson who, as shown in the movie, began his expedition--known as Grierson's Raid--from LeGrange, Tennessee, in April of 1863.

When John Wayne (Col. Marlow) first meets William Holden (Maj. Kendall), he accuses him of being out of uniform because he is not wearing his sidearms. In that particular scene, Marlow is wearing a cavalry sword. But throughout the rest of the film, Marlow does not wear any sidearms. Even when the Confederate forces are charging through the street and one of his junior officers offers him a pistol, he waves it off.

The quote at the Greenbriar dinner, "And yet your fair discourse hath been as sweet as sugar making the hard way sweet and delectable" is from "Richard II", Act II Scene 3 by William Shakespeare.

Director John Ford's only feature film set during the Civil War, although he did direct a segment of How the West Was Won (1962) that was set during the Civil War.

Goofs
* Anachronisms: Union soldiers are using Springfield breech-loading carbines, but these didn't appear until at least 1871, five years after the war's end.

* Anachronisms: Although the film takes place in 1863, Dr. Kendall is shown boiling surgical instruments to prevent them from infecting patients, a process that was not developed until 1879, by Dr. Louis Pasteur.

* Anachronisms: At the film's end, Dr. Kendall tells Col. Marlowe that he has decided to stay behind with the wounded Union soldiers. Col. Marlowe replies, "Even if it means Andersonville [a notorious Confederate POW camp]?" Andersonville did not exist in 1863, when this film was set; it was established in 1864.

* Continuity: When Doc Kendall examines the soldiers in line, he walks from left to right. When he is seen from behind the soldiers, he is walking the opposite way.

* Continuity: When Col. Marlowe asks a soldier for Maj. Kendall, his neckerchief knot is under his chin. When he enters in the colored people's shack, where Maj. Kendall is, his neckerchief knot is turned to his left shoulder.

* Continuity: When Doc Kendall is examining Dunker's leg, there is a soldier holding a lamp with his left hand. Between shots the lamp is in his right hand.

* Continuity: Deacon Clump talks to Col. Marlowe holding his hat in front of him. In the next shot, when Marlowe leaves, his hat is in his head.

* Anachronisms: The Confederate flags used in the movie are Army of Tennessee pattern and did not come into use until March of 1864.

* Factual errors: The 1st Michigan Cavalry Regiment served in the Eastern theater in 1863, most notably in the Army of the Potomac during the Battle of Gettysburg, and so would not be in a brigade within General Grant's army.

* Anachronisms: The saddles used on the horses are a mix of "Western" style and Army "McClellan" saddles. However, the McClellan saddles used are brown and of the 1904 pattern, whereas the 1859 McClellan that was in use was a black saddle.

* Continuity: In the hotel bar at Newton Station Col. Kirby breaks a bottle of whiskey tucked in the front of Sgt. Kirby's trousers . The trousers are already wet from a previous take.

* Factual errors: The film is set in the Spring of 1863 as part of Grant's campaign against Vicksburg, which fell on July 4, 1863. The soldiers discuss their fear of being captured and sent to the notorious Confederate prison at Andersonville, the construction of which started in December, 1963.

* Factual errors: Although listening through stove pipes at Greenbriar helped move the plot along , it was merely a contrivance . Southern plantation houses at that time were not heated by cast iron stoves but by wood-burning fireplaces through chimneys at each end of the house.

* Anachronisms: Early in the movie, Ken Curtis is shown playing a fretted banjo. Frets were not added to banjos until the 1880s. When they were first added, most players tried to file them off.

* Anachronisms: Although the story is set in 1863, all the soldiers are wearing 1872 pattern cavalry uniforms.

* Factual errors: The Jefferson Military Academy was fictitious. The scene was filmed at the old Jefferson College campus. The civilian college was closed during the civil war.

* Factual errors: The national flag seen in the opening scene is incorrect. Either a cavalry guidon with the national colors or a square flag would be more correct for a cavalry regiment.

* Crew or equipment visible: In the house at Greenbrier after Major Kendall, Miss Hunter, and Lukey come down the stairs, shadows are visible on the landing above and behind them. The shadows are not in line with any visible light source, suggesting the presence of a spotlight hidden behind the chair at the right of the scene.

* Anachronisms: At the end of the officers' conference Colonel Marlow states; "No glory hunting Richards. Anything knock this into a cocked hat it'll be a firefight." The term "firefight" did not come into use until the end of the 19th century.

* Anachronisms: In the scene where Sgt. Kirby is about to shoot the head of the Jefferson Military Academy, he referred to the Reverend as a "Holy Joe". The term did not come into being until approximately 1875.

* Anachronisms: In many scenes, Hannah is clearly wearing a bra, a garment invented in the 1890s and finally patented in 1913. Moreover, her bras are the "pointed" style popular in the 1950s.

* Factual errors: The movie exteriors appear to have been shot in the fall, but the raid takes place in April 1863.

* Continuity: When the rebels from the train charge up the street the flag bearer is shot and a man with a beard and green jacket picks it up. Shortly after wards the flag bearer is in shot again but its a younger man and the man with the beard and green jacket picks it up again.

* Anachronisms: The artillery guns shown in the last two battles (military academy and bridge crossing) are not Civil War era pieces, being far too old.

* Anachronisms: At the beginning of the engagement with the boys from the military academy, Colonel Marlow orders "Assembly" be sounded. It is clear from the immediately preceding shot, that many of the troops are not only not mounted, but the horses are not even saddled. Therefore, the correct bugle call would have been "Boots and Saddles".

Memorable Quotes (http://http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052902/quotes)

Filming Locations
Alexandria, Louisiana, USA
Homochitto River, Mississippi, USA
Jefferson Military College - Highway 61, Washington, Mississippi, USA
(cadet school)
Louisiana, USA
Mississippi, USA
Natchez, Mississippi, USA
Natchitoches, Louisiana, USA
Texas, USA
The Lot - 1041 N. Formosa Avenue, West Hollywood, California, USA
(studio)
Washington, Mississippi, USA

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Previous Discussion:-
Question About The Horse Soldiers (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1264)

THE HORSE SOLDIERS

What I can't work out is this??
Uncle Jack made FOUR cavalry films,
but we only ever hear of a trilogy!!!
In my eyes, THE HORSE SOLIDIERS
was the other one!!
I've always liked this one,and is high amongst my favourites.
In fact since this film, I have always been wary of stoves in the lounge!!!
The film started off well, and was pushed along by Uncle Jack's enthusiasm, for Civil War films.
However, sadly, the film falls away towards the end, as Jack lost interest,
due to the untimely death, in the making of the film, of one of his stuntmen, of some 25 years.
This is noticeable in detail, and as screenwriter Mahin, quoted,
It was awful,they charged across that damed bridge,, and not one guy fell off the saddle
I still, rate this film, as one of my favourites,
Rating 9/10

Hi Ethan

I have just been typing a long list of my thoughts on the Horse Soldiers when my computer crashed and I lost the lot. I am trying again but may confine it to small individual segments.

As I initiated this topic I thought it was about time that I put my two cents worth in.

I read The Horse Soldiers when I was about fourteen or fifteen and thought it would make a great picture.

The role of Kendall in the book is very minor if he is mentioned at all, The scene in the cabin is mentioned but the doctor is not allowed to deliver the baby as Marlowe orders him to rejoin the column leaving the woman to her own devices.

Also in the book as in the film Marlowe splits his command but not as in the film to send it back North to deter the rebels. In Sinclairs book the second column controlled by a Major Bryce, (I think that was his name) runs parrall with Marlowe's and alternate chapters detail each columns progress, a fact that Ford would have had a nightmare with over continuity.

More later

The Horse Soldiers is in my JW top ten :D

A very enjoyable Western, I like William Holden also!


John

Hi

One scene from the book that I was convinced Ford would show for both spectacle and comedy. occurs when the soldiers are burning a bridge at Newton Grange station and decide to run a train over it. A soldier volunteers to drive the train intending to jump out at the last minute. However as he makes ready to jump he stands on a shovwel which in true Chaplin style rises up and hits him in the face. As he staggers to his feet the train goes over the edge.

For my opinion of the film I though it was a good film - not a great one but a good one for all of that. it was to be Ford's great civil war picture the one that he had always wanted to do, he even promised the producers that he would get Duke to star in the film and dragged him out of another office to perduade him to take the part. For whatever reason I think he failed.

When the soldiers ride into Newton Grange you see a group of confederate soldiers sitting on some steps by the hotel or the saloon. I was convinced the actor bald headed and sitting out in front was Dean Jagger, which is ridiculous because by the time the Horse Soldiers was made Jagger was a star in his own right.

During the making of the location shots Ford had a strict no drinking policy, which drove both Wayne and William Holdien to despair. Under the pretense that Duke's teeth were showing up slighty yellow on the rushes both actors were allowed to go to the nearest town to visit a dentist. The next mornin g Marty Rackin one of the producers drove into town to pick ayne and Holden up and worried that Ford might be angry drove fast back. Wayne turned to rackin and said slow down Marty because whatever happens you're only goint to get third billing.

More later

Hi

The death of Fred Kennedy certainly hit Ford hard, Kennedy was proably past his best and as it was nearing Christmas Ford only gave him the part to give him a little extra cash for Christmas.

After Kenedy's death Ford lost all feeling for the film and rather than stage the up beat entry into New Orleans he finished the film at the bridge.

Now for what I find to be an interesting point, As the rebels get ready to decamp from the train Wayne gives his pistol away saying that he doesent need it. By the time they have crossed the river and are attacking the rebel gun battery he has recovered it and is seen firing it although to what effect isn't seen, and it is this what I find interesting.

Some years ago I wrote a letter to Tim lilley in The Big Trail argueing that in his films where he fought indians far from being the cold blooded shoot em up villain that he was depicted as he rarely used his guns at all.

I also believe that if a study was done it would be interesting to see how many times he actually does inflict casualties with either rifle pistol or sabre. I would bet a pound to a penny that it isn't many. I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

Regards

Arthur

Hi Keith and Arthur,
Great posts! Thank you for them.
The Horse Soldies is a big favorite of mine and it was a first Duke's picture I saw (the same about Ford). It impressed me greatly and from that point all started. So I cant be critical of objective to that movie, I only love it.
It is very interesting pint that you mentioned Arthur, about using the guns and showing violence - Marlow are deeply sorry about all force he must do and during rebel attack he cried: I didn't want it...
And they are very good with Holden together - I like their lines, their crossings..
Even you were born...
I want to read original book, even if it is very far from the movie.
Regards,
Senta

Originally posted by john chisum@Dec 23 2005, 12:09 PM
The Horse Soldiers is in my JW top ten* :D

A very enjoyable Western, I like William Holden also!
John
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If you like William Holden, I also suggest when possible, for you to watch Alvarez Kelly which also stars Richard Widmark. Great Civil War Western.

Hi Carl,
It is strange thing about Holden. I like him very much in The Horse Soldies but in the other films that I watched with him I wasn't so impressed.
Regards,
Senta

Althea Gibson...(Lukey)

Guess I have to get out more...this thread inspired me to watch the movie again, and subsequently do a little research on Althea Gibson. Wow, what a gal. She broke the color barrier in tennis, and won 11 majors in the late '50's, including Wimbledon and the French Open. After that, she took up golf and joined the LPGA, playing in 171 events. She also went on tour with the Harlem Globetrotters. Her acting career was actually very limited. There is a good website on her career if anyone wants more info.

Grant

Originally posted by gr1087@Dec 24 2005, 05:52 PM
Althea Gibson...(Lukey)

Guess I have to get out more...this thread inspired me to watch the movie again, and subsequently do a little research on Althea Gibson. Wow, what a gal. She broke the color barrier in tennis, and won 11 majors in the late '50's, including Wimbledon and the French Open. After that, she took up golf and joined the LPGA, playing in 171 events. She also went on tour with the Harlem Globetrotters. Her acting career was actually very limited. There is a good website on her career if anyone wants more info.

Grant
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Hi gr1087,
Thank you for that interesting information. I didn't knew it before.
Regards,
Senta

Hi John Chisum,

Please voice your concerns to the mod team. We all know your feeling towards ethanedwards. If anything is "copied & pasted" from other sources then those sources need to credited along with the repost.

Ethan, please credit any information derived from other sites when adding to the thread.

I suggest you read the terms of service at http://www.jwayne.com/terms.shtml

And make your request per the instructions there.

Originally posted by ethanedwards@Dec 23 2005, 05:09 AM
Cast and Crew for
The Horse Soldiers (1959) ...

Bing Russell ....* Dunker, Yankee Soldier Amputee

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Bing Russell was the father of Kurt Russell, who has become more famous than his father. Bing Russell was very recognizable, even if his name was not readily recalled.
Cheers - Jay :D

Both of those entries in question ARE attributed to Imdb....not really an issue I don't think.

Grant

Originally posted by Jay J. Foraker@Dec 27 2005, 04:37 PM
Bing Russell was the father of Kurt Russell, who has become more famous than his father.* Bing Russell was very recognizable, even if his name was not readily recalled.
Cheers - Jay* :D
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Hi Jay,
Thanks, I think your snippet of information, is really interesting,
I will make a point of looking closer the next time I watch the film!

Best Wishes,

Hi,
I noticed from THE SEARCHERS thread,
that members are also interested in the secondary/stunt men,
although, I personally think, in most cases, they should all be credited!!


STUNTS

Jim Burk .... stunts (uncredited)
Everett Creach .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Tom Hennesy .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
Ted White .... stunts (uncredited)

Memorable Quotes

Major Kendall: Look here, colonel, I didn't ask to be assigned to this mission...
Col. John Marlowe: Kirby, you tangle with me, I'll have your hide.
Sgt. Maj. Kirby: You're welcome to that too sir, if it's in the line of duty.

Major Kendall: Now come off it Colonel, even you were born.

Miss Hannah Hunter: They'll catch up to you and cut you to pieces, you nameless, fatherless scum.

[After Marlowe gets slapped]
Major Kendall: I suggest you see a doctor.

INFORMATION IMDb

Our VHS tape of The Horse Soldiers hasn't worked for a long time, so recently I was able to pick up a DVD and get to watch the movie again.

Deep Discount DVD (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=horse+soldiers&search.x=0&search.y=0) has the DVD and one movie poster.

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000059TFU/qid=1139212758/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3581901-1689624?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130) has the DVD within a few cents of Deep Discount, and is a source for VHS as well.

Chester :newyear:

Superb movie that is one of my favourites. Great storyline action and Grade A cast.

In terms of Cavalry movies made by Ford I would rate this higher than Rio Grande or Fort Apache.

Mike

Wow that's a heap of praise you threw on this film DukePilgrim.

Not one to disagree with you as I like the film as well but, my biggest problem is the ending, to me it just seemed unfinished, like there was something that happened but it was cut out. And for that reason alone I cannot put it above Fort Apache, Rio Grande maybe, but not Fort Apache.

Hi Viper

The Horse Soldiers was cut short because of Fred Kennedy's death, The film should have finished with the soldiers led by Marlowe making a triumphful entrance to New Orleans but after the ragic death of the stuntman Ford's heart wasn't in it and he basically walked away from the picture ending it in the quickest and least messy way that he could.

Regards

Arthur

Hi Viper & Arthur

I know praise from me it is a rarity LOL

I do genuinely believe this film deserves it. It is extremely well crafted and
detailed and was Ford's major attempt at a Civil War movie.

I know that Ford basically went off on a bender after Fred Kennedy's death and that in most people eyes the film was cut short by his lack of interest.

However when you look at the film what else was there to add to the movie apart from a happy wrap i.e. A triumphant return to the Union Army after a successful mission. A reuniting of Marlowe and Constance after the war . We know these things are going to happen its just that we don’t see it.

I would be of the opinion that Ford had the film already planned in his head much like directors like Hitchcock. There may have been little touches here or there but very little would have been added.

Also, remember that Horse Soldiers runs at 119 minutes so it is not a short movie.

I think the fact that the movie got poor reviews on its release and the knowledge that Ford lost interest has built up the mystique that the director was planning more for this movie than ever filmed.

Just to put i :rolleyes: n my two bob's worth about The Horse Soldiers. The film to me started very well with good charaterisation from Duke and William Holden. Unfortunately this didn't continue for all of the film. I must admit to enjoying the stoushes between John Wayne and Constance Towers. Also I had the pleasure of meeting Althea Gibson in the UK. A very pleasant lady to talk to. Anyway a reasonable film but not one of Ford's or Duke's best.
Regards
Redcap

I've always been a Russell Simpson fan since I first watched him as Pa Joad in 'The Grapes of Wrath'. I enjoyed the amusing scene he shared with Denver Pyle and Strother Martin in this film.


-ncb

Nice photo of Duke and Constance Towers,
and rather than a full 'Pals' on her,
here's a couple of pix,
proving what a real beauty she was!


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I notice that IMDb doesn't have a photo of Ms. Towers, who appears to still be alive. Maybe you could supply them with a photo. Or does that have to come from an agent?

Chester :newyear:

Hi Jim

When I and some other fans of John Wayne wanted the photo of John Wayne changed on his homepage of the IMDB, it was only achieved when we contacted the John Wayne estate. I had previously emailed the IMDB and they told me any changes could only be made when the IMDB was contacted by the estate of a particular actor/actress.

:agent:

I hope you enjoy this poster -

Nice poster for a great film

Keith,

Thank you. This is one that Les Adams, from Abilene, Texas shared with us.

Chester :newyear:

Hi

Les is a true gentleman. Heres one of my favourite photographs (among many of my favourite photographs) from the film.

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Regards

Arthur

Hi Arthur,

It was good to see that photo again. When i was 14, not particulary a Wayne, but definatly a western fan, this was the picture amongst others that were shown outside the cinema, and it was through this picture that persuaded me to go in and see the movie, i wasn't disapointed.

Reference the earlier posting, i assume that this film isn't included in the cavalry trilogy because they were made within a fairly short time scale, and devoted more to the expansion of the west, as against the civil war. Just a thought.

Chris.

Hi Chris

I think that Ford always dreamed of making an epic civil war movie, and I think that this was the closest he ever got to achieving his dream.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

Here is what I think is a brilliant portait photograph of John Wayne as Colonel John Marlowe in The Horse Soldiers



Regards

Arthur

Hi

Early on in the picture ol Marlowe (Wayne) has his first encounter with Major Hank Kendell and his assistant Otis 'Hoppy' Hopkins (O.Z.Whitehead) as they are checking Jack Pennick.


Regards


Arthur

Very nice pictures Arthur.

And I think the photo of Duke above is very good.

Thanks.

Hi

Later on in the picture with Marlowe's command deep into Confederate territory they bivouac at the plantation owned by Hannah Hunter (Constance Towers) After dinner Marlowe informs his officers among whom are Col Phil Seacord (Willis Bouchey) & Major Richard Grey (William Leslie), of his plans to move on to New Orleans rather than retreat back through enemy country.

Hi

Once in Newton Grange the Union forces set about destroying everything considered vital to the Confederate war effort.

Discovering that a telegraph messege has been sent and a train is on the way Marlowe awaits its arrival.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

Following the death of Union cavalryman Dunker (Bing Russell) after having his leg amputated, and finally annoyed by Marlowe's constant criticism Major Kendell finally loses his temper.

Hi

Under attack and chased by the Confederate forces Col Marlowe watched by Major Richard Grey (William Leslie) and Col Seacord (Willis Bouchey) listens as Deacon Clump (Hank Worden) and Cpl Wilkie (Ken Curtis) explain that they know the whereabout of a secret trail through the swamp.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

With the Confederate forces in hot pursuit Col Marlowe (John Wayne) takes his farewell of Hannah (Constance Towers)


Regards

Arthur

Hi

To finish a portrait photograph of Marlowe (John Wayne) and Hannah Hunter (Constance Towers) together.


Regards

Arthur

Just giving everyone a head's up. If you've never seen this great movie, TCM will be airing it tonight at 6 pm est.

Super movie well worth watching!!

Mike

This movie is one of the lesser team efforts by Duke and Pappy, I still enjoy the fool out of it but it's lacking something that was present in their earlier pairings. I prefer Donovan's Reef over this one. However the Chemistry between Holden and Wayne is great. And of course how could I neglect to mention the wonderful, and eternally old Hank Worden, he livened up many a film .

In the scene where the children are marching to attack, wasn't that based on a true story?

And as far as the Bing Russell posts go, that was good info as I never knew he was Kurt's father.

Based on the true story of Col. Benjamin H. Grierson. In the Spring of 1863, Grierson left bases in northern Mississippi, taking 1,700 troopers with him. According to Bruce Catton, Grierson "drove through central Mississippi, tearing up railroads and upsetting [Confederate General] Pemberton's troop deployments before reaching Union-held Baton Rouge."

I can't say about the children's academy scene being true. To me it seems a bit far fetched.

The children's academy scene was necessary to reinforce the anti-war theme of this movie. I have always enjoyed The Horse Soldiers, mainly because of the excellent William Holden who was great in everything from The Wild Bunch and Network to Damien II! It's certainly less dated than any of the Cavalry Trilogy. Wayne gave an underrated performnace, I think it would have been more effective if his character had been seen to get killed at the end.

8/10.

I can't agree that Cavalry trilogy is dated. It is true classic. Horse Soldiers is one of my all time favorites too, even if it is often less regarded as other Ford movies.
Regards,
Senta

Hi everyone,
Around 1975 still CD has not spread generally, i purchased the Record
that an original sound track recording of The Horse Soldiers.
this LP was suddenly released in Japan through United Artists Recording.
The score by David Buttolph is a clever use of Civil War standards and
orijinal compostions.
A side list is 1 Dixie 2I Left My Love 3 Lorena 4 Bonnie Blue Flag 5 I Left My Love
6When Jonny Comes Marching Home.
B side is 1Bonnie Blue Flag 2 The Girl I Left Behind 3 Deep River-Lorena 4Kingdom Coming 5 Tenting Tonight 6By the Campfire 7 When Jonny Comes Marching.

When I sometimes hear this record,I lomg for this movie.
sorry,i attached wrong photo,but nice photo.
below this,record jacket photo.

Regards,
H.sanada

More pictures i attached.
I like this title back scene,very beautiful.
Indeed ,it is a western motifs like John Ford.

Regards,
H.sanada

Another movie I need to purchase on DVD to replace my VHS version

Excellent cavalry movie, William Holden was in a great part, and I enjoyed the 'irratation' between him and Duke

The look on Dukes face when at the southern ladies house when Duke and his officers are enjoying a meal and she is rattling on about how romantic it must be being a train driver and Duke growled back that he was an engineer - memorable :teeth_smile:

Ding-dong, ding-dong !!!

Here is an example of the book and comic about the movie. They were both put out by Dell, the first is the book, second is the comic. Enjoy!

Mark

http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/2147f8da3fc8387.jpg

http://www.alljohnwayne.com/Comics/horsesoldiers.jpg

Mark,Thanks for your rare pictuers.

Here is another one. It's japanese press sheet for The Horse Soldiers. Enjoy.
http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/10864805777f305de.jpg



H.sanada

You know, H.sanada...I'm really starting to envy you your collection. You have a lot of very nice Duke related mememtos. I don't have any movie posters, but I do have a few Press Books in my collection. We all have a little collector in us, don't we? :wink_smile:

Mark

You know, H.sanada...I'm really starting to envy you your collection. You have a lot of very nice Duke related mememtos. I don't have any movie posters, but I do have a few Press Books in my collection. We all have a little collector in us, don't we? :wink_smile:

Mark
In the world,there must be a moe terrible collector.and i had never met JW besides
on screen.(so,i envy W.T.Brooks or others in USA )
However, I'll introduce my little collection as much as i can to young JWMB members
who have common interest.It's my pleasure.

Well,as you teached me ,i put my photo in "My gallery" and link it in my post.
But, photo is not seen, linked underline is just seen. i cant figure out. why?

Regards,
H.sanada

I'll try to explain how I do it. It may not be the correct way, but it works. I go to the picture I want to add from my gallery, and highlight (double-click on) the address next to the BB Code IMG slot. Then I click "copy" and go back to the post I am working on and click on the "Add Photo Icon" in the menue bar and paste the address in the space provided. Now here's the trick...the address will look something like this...

http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/21459b714095f7b.jpg

What I do is delete the [img] in front and the [img/] in the back of the address. Then when you ok the popup, the picture will appear in your post. I hope this helps.

If there is an easier way that another member knows of, jump in and let us know. I'm always looking to learn.:teeth_smile:

Mark

P.S. I just learned something while attempting to show you how to do this. If you just cut and paste the address directly with the [img] and [img/] intact into the post, the picture appears as it should when you post it. Hmmm. Try it either way, H.sanada and one or the other should work. I hope I didn't confuse you.

Hello Mark,
Thanks for your kind explain how to use my photos.
i did successfully.Thank you so much.
However ,my photo of The Horse Soldiers is too large?
i'm surprised.

H.sanada

Hi H.sanada,

If you find a photo too big,
just downsize it here till it fits!!

Photo Resize (http://www.bigwebpages.com/big/resize.html)

Hi H.sanada,

If you find a photo too big,
just downsize it here till it fits!!

Photo Resize (http://www.bigwebpages.com/big/resize.html)

Thanks Keith,
i'll try it.

Regards,
H.sanada

One of my favourites William Holden Movie :wink: All moments between Holden and Duke are marvellous and worth to watch The Horse Soldiers.
It's a pity that John Ford didn't made something like a Civil War Trilogy with Duke as he did with him with the great Cavalry Trilogy.

A scene with children in war is always disturbing. That's why John Ford put it into the movie to show the terror of war. Don't know many movies which shows children fighting in wars. Another I'm thinking of is the German Classic "Die Brücke" aka The Bridge which shows children soldiers in WW 2.

I watched recently a TV (German) version of The Horse Soldiers. Then I compared it with my Region-2 DVD. What a disappointment. The picture on the DVD is zoomed and sligthly butchered left and right so there are some information's missing. Something like I just don't like. Unfortunately I didn't recorded the TV Version.

Horse Soldiers is a very good movie. Rio Lobo may have been a bit more realistic of the fighting involved, but still the overall presentation was good.
Kids did take part in battles during the Civil War. The South simply ran out of men, and if women were allowed to fight they would have joined, and some did fight unknown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Market
A link to the New Market Battle where the VMI Cadets took part in a battle. Ages 15-21, but the majority were 15 since the older kids were already wearing grey.

@ShortGrub: Thanks for the link. I'm always interested in US History and as middle european I have to learn a lot about the Civil War. :book:

One of my favourites William Holden Movie :wink: All moments between Holden and Duke are marvellous and worth to watch The Horse Soldiers.
It's a pity that John Ford didn't made something like a Civil War Trilogy with Duke as he did with him with the great Cavalry Trilogy.

A scene with children in war is always disturbing. That's why John Ford put it into the movie to show the terror of war. Don't know many movies which shows children fighting in wars. Another I'm thinking of is the German Classic "Die Brücke" aka The Bridge which shows children soldiers in WW 2.

I watched recently a TV (German) version of The Horse Soldiers. Then I compared it with my Region-2 DVD. What a disappointment. The picture on the DVD is zoomed and sligthly butchered left and right so there are some information's missing. Something like I just don't like. Unfortunately I didn't recorded the TV Version.

I think your region 2 version is a bootleg or a non authorized version as the region 1 that I have is a widescreen presentation with no zooming of the scenes. I think Elle mentioned something about converting your dvd player to a all region player, maybe ask her how it is done and try to get the regino 1 version.

I think your region 2 version is a bootleg or a non authorized version as the region 1 that I have is a widescreen presentation with no zooming of the scenes. I think Elle mentioned something about converting your dvd player to a all region player, maybe ask her how it is done and try to get the regino 1 version.
Sorry for the confusion but I think it was a technical issue with my DVD player :frusty: Don't really understand it cause I tried the DVD on a other player and the picture was Widescreen. The region 2 DVD must be the same as Region 1 and don't worry it's an official release.

I saw this a few months ago and it is a beautifully filmed masterpiece. Duke and William Holen were superb as always.

I saw this film with my dad in the theater.It was different then most Wayne westers'Iam not mistaking . He did not fire a shot.
And did the same thing in SHE WORE a YELLOW RIBBON.

I saw this film with my dad in the theater.

I suspect many of us wish we could say the same.

Chester :newyear:

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