THE SEARCHERS

DIRECTED BY JOHN FORD
PRODUCED BY MERIAN C. COOPRER
MUSIC BY MAX STEINER
C.V.WHITNEY PICTURE
WARNER BROS

The Biggest, Roughest, Toughest ...and Most Beautiful Picture Ever Made!

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INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary
When Ethan decide to go find the Indians who killed his family,
he is joined by his nephew, Martin Pawley.
The problem is that Pawley is half-Indian, and there's nothing
in the world tha Edwards hate more than Indians.
The journey to find the Indians and Edwards niece
(and Pawley half-sister) last for years.

Full Cast
John Wayne .... Ethan Edwards
Jeffrey Hunter .... Martin Pawley
Vera Miles .... Laurie Jorgensen
Ward Bond .... Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton
Natalie Wood .... Debbie Edwards (older)
John Qualen .... Lars Jorgensen
Olive Carey .... Mrs. Jorgensen
Henry Brandon .... Chief Cicatrice (Scar)
Ken Curtis .... Charlie McCorry
Harry Carey Jr. .... Brad Jorgensen
Antonio Moreno .... Emilio Figueroa
Hank Worden .... Mose Harper
Beulah Archuletta .... Wild Goose Flying in the Night Sky (Look)
Walter Coy .... Aaron Edwards
Dorothy Jordan .... Martha Edwards
Pippa Scott .... Lucy Edwards
Patrick Wayne .... Lt. Greenhill (as Pat Wayne)
Lana Wood .... Debbie Edwards (younger)
Pipe Line Begishe .... Comanche (uncredited)
Exactly Sonnie Betsuie .... Comanche (uncredited)
Danny Borzage .... Accordionist at funeral (uncredited)
Ruth Clifford .... Deranged woman at fort (uncredited)
Tommy Doss .... Wedding Musician (uncredited)
Pete Grey Eyes .... Comanche (uncredited)
Feather Hat Jr. .... Comanche (uncredited)
Nacho Galindo .... Mexican bartender (uncredited)
Jack Tin Horn .... Comanche (uncredited)
Harry Black Horse .... Comanche (uncredited)
Away Luna .... Comanche (uncredited)
Robert Lyden .... Ben Edwards (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... Col. Greenhill (uncredited)
Peter Mamakos .... Jerem Futterman (uncredited)
Mae Marsh .... Dark Cloaked Woman at Fort Guarding Deranged Woman (uncredited)
Bob Many Mules .... Comanche (uncredited)
Jack Pennick .... Sergeant at fort (uncredited)
Lloyd Perryman .... Wedding Musician (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... Ranger at wedding (uncredited)
Smile White Sheep .... Comanche (uncredited)
Many Mules Son .... Comanche (uncredited)
Percy Shooting Star .... Comanche (uncredited)
William Steele .... Nesby (uncredited)
Chief Thundercloud .... Comanche chief (uncredited)
Billy Yellow .... Comanche (uncredited)

Writing Credits
Alan Le May (novel)
Frank S. Nugent (screenplay)

Produced
Merian C. Cooper .... executive producer
Patrick Ford .... associate producer

Original Music
Max Steiner

Cinematography
Winton C. Hoch

Stunts
Bill Cartledge .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Bryan 'Slim' Hightower .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Frank McGrath .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
Dale Van Sickel .... stunts (uncredited)
Henry Wills .... stunts (uncredited)
Terry Wilson .... stunts (uncredited)

Trivia
* One of the first movies to market itself with a making-of documentary aired on TV. Gig Young hosted the program, with Jeffrey Hunter as the guest.

* In the climactic scene, John Wayne and Natalie Wood run up the side of a hill in Monument Valley, Utah... and come down the other side of the hill in the Bronson Canyon area of Griffith Park, Los Angeles (647 miles away).

* Western star Harry Carey died in 1947. Director John Ford cast Carey's wife (Olive Carey) as Mrs. Jorgensen (the mother) and Carey's son (Harry Carey Jr.) as one of the sons (Brad) as a tribute to Carey. In the closing scene with John Wayne framed in the doorway, Wayne holds his right elbow with his left hand in a pose that Carey fans would recognize as one that he often used. Wayne later stated he did it as a tribute to Carey. Off-camera, Olive watched.

* Lana Wood played young Debbie Edwards and Natalie Wood, who was Lana's older sister by eight years, played teenaged Debbie Edwards.

* The Mexican man who takes the searchers to meet Chief Scar is called Emilio Gabriel Fernandez y Figueroa. The name of this character, played by Antonio Moreno, is a combination of the names of Mexican actor and director Emilio Fernandez and his cinematographer, Gabriel Figueroa, both of whom were friends of director John Ford.

* Hank Worden (Mose Harper) was tied up finishing shooting on The Indian Fighter (1955) and was unavailable for some shots in this movie. In scenes where the Rangers have ridden out together in Monument Valley, 'Old Mose Harper' is played in group shots by another actor hanging back and hiding his face. Single shots of Worden as Harper in these scenes were shot later.

* Was voted the both the 13th Greatest Film of all time and the Greatest Western of all time by Entertainment Weekly.

* Natalie Wood was still a student in high school when this film was being made, and on several occasions both John Wayne and Jeffrey Hunter had to pick her up at school on days when she was required on the set. This caused a good deal of excitement among Wood's female classmates.

* The film's screenplay was adapted by Frank S. Nugent from Alan Le May's 1954 novel of the same name, that was first serialized as a short story in late fall 1954 issues of the Saturday Evening Post, and first titled, "The Avenging Texans", Acknowledged similarities existed between the film's script and an actual Comanche kidnapping of a young white girl in Texas in 1836.

* Considering the part of Ethan Edwards to be the best character he ever portrayed on-screen and his favorite film role, John Wayne named a son Ethan in homage.

* A significant portion of the film's labyrinthine plot is revealed on a throwaway prop that most casual viewers rarely notice. Just before the Indian raid on the Edwards homestead, the tombstone that Debbie hides next to reveals the source of Ethan's glaring hatred for Native Americans. The marker reads: "Here lies Mary Jane Edwards killed by Commanches May 12, 1852. A good wife and mother in her 41st year." Sixteen years earlier, Ethan's own mother was massacred by Comanches.

* The eccentric character of Mose Harper, played by Hank Worden, is loosely based on an actual historical personage called Mad Mose, a legendary half-crazy Indian fighter of the American southwest with a fondness for rocking chairs.

* The role of a young cavalry officer, Lt. Greenhill, is played by Patrick Wayne, John Wayne's son.

* The medal Ethan Edwards gives to Debbie is not a Confederate or Union Army medal. It is a French medal awarded to mercenary soldiers who fought between 1865 and 1867 for the Emperor Maximilian of Mexico. This medal implies Ethan served in the French Mexican Expedition during his mysterious three year absence and also explains his fluency in Spanish.

* According to John Wayne in a 1974 interview, John Ford hinted throughout the movie that Ethan had had an affair with his brother's wife, and was possibly the father of Lucy and Debbie. This meant Ethan's thirst for vengeance stemmed not from the murder of his brother, but of the woman Ethan had loved. This was so subtle that many viewers at the time missed it altogether.

* In a biography of John Ford it is mentioned that Ward Bond, in his motel room after shooting, would walk around naked with the curtains open in hopes of attracting Vera Miles. Apparently, this plan did not have the intended results.

* The melody behind the opening credits is "Lorena" by Joseph Webster and Henry DeLafayette Webster, a song much favored by Confederate soldiers during the Civil War. The lyrics are the longings of a man for his now-dead wife.

* The medal that Ethan gives away is the Order of St. Guadalupe, the second highest award of the Mexicans at the time (equivalent to the Distinguished Service Cross). Many Confederates went south after the war and as a Horse Artillery Sergeant (red SGT stripes with yellow britches stripes) he would have been highly paid.

* In 2007, the America Film Institute ranked this as the #12 Greatest Movie of All Time.

* Buddy Holly's famous song "That'll Be the Day" was inspired by John Wayne's frequent use of the phrase in this film.

* The song playing as John Wayne approaches at the beginning of the film is a slow version of "The Bonnie Blue Flag", which along with "Dixie" were the two "anthems" of the Confederacy.

* According to Harry Carey Jr.'s book "Company of Heroes", John Wayne stayed in character between takes.

* The medal Ethan gives to young Debbie at the beginning of the film is, in fact, the Serbian Order of St. Sava, established in 1883.

* Fess Parker was offered the part of Martin but Walt Disney refused to loan him out. Jeffrey Hunter got the role instead. Parker and Hunter would later star together in The Great Locomotive Chase (1956).

* According to film restorer Ned Price, by 1991 when the first digital transfer was made (on Laserdisc), the yellow layer of the original VistaVision negative had completely faded, making it unusable. Black and white separation masters (yellow, cyan, and magenta) made in the late 1950s have been used since then to master DVD releases.

* Ranked #1 on the American Film Institute's list of the 10 greatest films in the genre "Western" in June 2008.

* Robert Wagner auditioned for the role of Martin Pawley.

* John Wayne's performance as Ethan Edwards is ranked #87 on Premiere Magazine's 100 Greatest Performances of All Time (2006).

* Martha (Dorothy Jordan) was the real life wife of film producer Merian C. Cooper.

* Items #11 and #14 give contradicting descriptions of the medal given to Debbie. The medal may be a prop combining features of French and Mexican medals. The white and blue Maltese cross is similar to the white and red cross on the Mexican Order of Guadalupe and the red and green ribbon appears on the French Order of Merite Agricole.

* In the dance scene just before the wedding, the male dancers are some of the most famous and toughest stunt men of the period. Chuck Hayward, Terry Wilson, John Hudkins, Fred Kennedy, Frank McGrath and Chuck Roberson can all be seen dancing. After the scene the crew nicknamed them "Ford's chorus girls". At the end of the scene John Wayne moves to the bar and Roberson says, "Let's have a drink." As he speaks, Hayward and Wilson move into the shot behind Wayne. Wayne is then surrounded by the three men who doubled him at various times in the movie.

* Reportedly this film was seen in a theater in Texas by Buddy Holly and his friends in the summer of 1956. They were so impressed with Ethan's (John Wayne) repeated use of the phrase "That'll be the day" that they used it as the title for their now standard R'n'R song that they composed soon after.

* Film debut of Pippa Scott.

In the scene directly after Ethan (John Wayne) shoots several buffalo in the small herd so they "...won't fill any Indian bellies this winter!", as the mounted Cavalry is going through the creek after a deep snowfall, there is a car that can be seen in the background. It is traveling from left to right and its lights can be seen in the background as it starts from the center of the screen in the shot and moves to the right.

The language spoken by the "Comanche" Indians is actually Navajo.

The actors playing Comanche Indians are all Navajo, with the exception of Chief Scar, played by a German actor. The language, traditional dress, dances depicted in the film are all Navajo, not Comanche. The scene where the "Comanche" natives are singing, with Ethan (John Wayne) declaring that they are singing a Comanche "Death Song" is actually a social Navajo "Squaw Dance Song".

Goofs
* Errors in geography: Monument Valley is not in Texas.

* Anachronisms: As the cavalry approaches and begins to cross the snow-covered river to the left, it becomes obvious that along the river is a road, because a car appears and drives to the right-hand corner of the shot and stops just beyond a tree.

* Revealing mistakes: Debbie's head is visible at the top of a distant sand dune as she awaits her cue to run over the hill to join Ethan and Martin.

* Revealing mistakes: When projected or seen in 1:1.33 aspect ratio, when Martin sneaks into Scar's village, we can see spot lights above the top of the painted backdrop. With the correct VistaVision aspect ratio of 1:1.85, that would be out of frame.

* Continuity: When the Indians charge across the river, Ethan is shooting at them with an octagonal barreled rifle, when the angle changes, he is shooting with a round barreled carbine.

* Continuity: When the Indians charge across the river toward the reverend's posse, the river changes both direction and color throughout the scene. In some shots, the river is a muddy red, while in others it is clearer and blue. In the shots of Ethan firing his rifle, the river moves from his left to his right. But in the shots of the Indians getting shot and falling from their horses, the river moves from Ethan's (and the viewer's) right to his left. Then, as the Indians retreat, the river switches back to moving left to right.

* Continuity: When Martin briefly threatens the injured Ethan with a knife, the knife switches from his left hand to his right between shots.

* Anachronisms: Marty's knife hilt seems to be a Ka-Bar knife, designed in WWII.

* Crew or equipment visible: After Ethan stokes the campfire and Martin turns in for the night, the camera tilts up to Futterman on a rock. The angle is so high that the top of the studio backdrop and a studio light are visible when the film is projected or seen in 1:1.33 aspect ratio.

* Anachronisms: Laurie is seen wearing what appear to be riveted blue jeans in Texas around the year 1869 or 1870. Denim pants reinforced with rivets were not patented and mass produced until 1873 (by Levi Strauss in San Francisco), and prior to that were likely unknown outside of Reno, Nevada, where they had been invented by a local tailor.

* Continuity: Ethan rides his horse into Scar's teepee and scalps his corpse. Afterward, he is riding and shooting with the rest of Capt. Clayton's men outside, before he exits the teepee with Scar's scalp.

* Continuity: When the Indians chase the Rangers across the river, Capt. Clayton falls off his horse and into the water. When the Rangers regroup on the far bank to shoot back, he is dry.

* Continuity: At the beginning of the movie, a blanket is draped on the hitching rail. When the shot moves from inside the darkened house to the bright outdoors the blanket is gone.

* Crew or equipment visible: In the cabin where the cavalry is holding the deranged woman and the two teenage girls, a filming light is visible in the ceiling after the deranged woman screams and grabs the doll. The light is partially hidden behind a horizontal stovepipe and the glare is clearly visible for most of the scene.

* Plot holes: Ethan and Mose are on horseback and pass Martin who is on foot during the return to Aaron's ranch. Martin arrives at the burning ranch only seconds behind Ethan and Mose, but should have been hours behind.

* Continuity: When Aaron Edwards is looking around outside to spot Indians, it is dusk. We then see a quick cut away to a bright blue sky when he spots something, and then a cut back to dusk.

* Anachronisms: The movie begins in 1868; however, all of the guns used are mid 1870s vintage. The pistols used are Colt 1873 Peacemakers and the rifles are Winchester Model 1892. Although both Spencer and Volcanic Repeating Arms both produced cartridge firing repeating rifles, it is more likely that most of the men, not being professional gun hands, would have carried Civil War surplus rifles (muzzleloaders) like Mose.

* Continuity: When the Aaron's family goes out to welcome Ethan, the dog follows Debbie and stays on her right-hand side. In the next shot the dog is on her left.

* Continuity: After the children go to sleep, Aaron's pipe disappears from his hand. Afterward, when he is hiding Ethan's money, the pipe reappears in his mouth.

* Continuity: In the open shot of the funeral scene, Rev. Capt. Clayton has only Ethan and Martin near him. But in the subsequent shot a man appears just behind Ethan.

* Continuity: While Laurie reads Martin's letter, Charlie stays plucking the guitar. In the next shot he is touching his chin with his left hand.

* Continuity: During their fight, Martin and Charlie rolled up in a almost completely yellow bedspread. From one shot to another the bedspread changes its color.

* Continuity: During the battle with the Comanche crossing the river, Mose and Martin seem enveloped in dusk while firing from behind a log, whereas their companions, seen in other shots, are viewed in bright sunlight.

* Continuity: The horses Ethan and Marty are riding are not in sequence. When Marty rides his horse to death and is seen carrying his saddle, he was riding his buckskin (which is the horse that supposedly died). When he rides out with Ethan to look for the two girls, he is again on the same buckskin horse. Also, when Marty leaves and goes after Ethan, Laurie gives him her blaze-faced sorrel 'Sweet Face'. When Ethan and Marty are riding together after Marty buys 'Look', they are both riding dark faced dark horses and not leading any other horses. Later on, Marty is once again on 'Sweet Face'.

* Continuity: At the beginning of the film, when the Rangers discover the prize bull and decide that it is a "murder raid", Martin rides off in the same direction as those going to the Jorgensen ranch (west) instead of heading south, towards his family's place.

* Audio/visual unsynchronized: When the Comanches ride down on Ethan and Marty from the sand dune, one Comanche can be seen and heard firing his rifle. However, he fires his rifle a second time but no gunshot sound effect can be heard.

* Factual errors: The term 'yatahey' is heard being shouted by an Indian in the background. Yatahey is the Navajo word for hello, and would likely not be used by Comanche Indians.

* Crew or equipment visible: In the long tracking shot of the calvary riding through the Comanche village near the end of the film, dust kicked up by the dolly riding on its track is visible at the bottom right corner of the screen.

* Revealing mistakes: In the scene where Lars Jorgensen is trying to stop Ethan and Martin from entering his house just before Laurie's wedding, their shadows can clearly be seen on the painted backdrop behind. A few minutes later, when Martin and Charlie go outside to fight, their shadows are also briefly seen on the backdrop.

* Continuity: When the fight between Marty and Charlie is broken up by the wedding guest, both men are completely covered in white dust. When they cut to a closer shot of the two men, they are much cleaner with only a small amount of brown dust on them.

* Continuity: During the final battle, when the Texas Rangers rush the Indian camp, the scene goes from night to broad daylight from that point on.

* Audio/visual unsynchronized: During the shootout with the Indians at the river, Rev. Capt. Claytons' gun is emptied and Ethan throws him a loaded gun; Clayton throws his hat and hits Ethan. Ethan is moving his lips and saying something but, there is no sound.

* Continuity: Just after the shooting at the river Ethan is sitting and putting new bullets in his rifle while talking to Clayton, then he walks up to the two by the horses behind with his rifle in his left hand. Just before the cut to a closeup on the three, he shifts the rifle to his right hand. But after the cut to the closeup he is still holding his rifle in his left hand.

* Continuity: In the scene early in the movie when Ward Bond's Preacher/Texas Rangers Captain is trying to recruit Ethan and his brother, John Wayne puts on his gun belt and in the next shot buckles it again.

* Continuity: When Brad returns to Ethan and Marty after scouting the Comanche camp, he tells them that they are camped a half mile away. After learning of Lucy's fate, he mounts his horse and rides off towards the camp. About five to seven seconds after his departure, we hear the sounds of gunfire. For a good saddle horse, carrying an average sized man and saddle with gear, to run a half mile at full speed would require roughly 50 to 60 seconds lead time. Brad could not have come remotely close to the Comanches in the time between his leaving and the sounds of gunfire.

* Continuity: When the Reverend breaks up the fight between Martin and Charlie, a group of men are seen behind the Reverend with Martin and Charlie in front of him however, when the fight resumes, Seth, the violinist, has appeared behind Charlie.

* Crew or equipment visible: (At 1:10:32) Immediately after John Wayne goes crazy shooting at the buffalo, they hear the Calvary trumpet. It then cuts to the Calvary riding their horses through the snow filled creek. In the background, (to the right in the 1.85 ratio version on Blu-Ray), there is a car driving along a road that is stopped by a crew member.

* Errors made by characters (possibly deliberate errors by the filmmakers): Mamasita is using an aluminum pot to cook Frijoles.

* Continuity: When Martin is taking a bath, Laurie brings in 2 buckets of water and leaves them by the door. Then when the camera cuts to a close up of Martin in the tub, the buckets are next to the tub. When the camera pans back to a full shot, the buckets are by the door again.

* Continuity: When the reverend's posse is crossing the river, you can clearly see the Indian war party following behind on the river bank. When the posse gets to the other side, the war party is not visible on the opposite bank or in the river.

* Continuity: When the Reverends' posse is about half way across the river, the scene cuts to a close up of five Indians coming over a dirt bank. Seconds later, a puff of smoke is seen coming from the bottom of the screen when all five Indians fall off their horses and into the water (the ropes used to trip up the horses are visible in the muddied water). The posse is already across the river and too far away to make such a shot; one shot cannot bring down five Indians.

* Revealing mistakes: Right after he takes the loaded gun from Ethan & throws his hat at Ethan, Clayton's gun goes off unintentionally before he takes his first shot.

* Revealing mistakes: When the titular searchers find the dead Indian buried under a boulder, the Indian can clearly be seen breathing.

* Anachronisms: In the scene of the snowy creek crossing, a woman on horseback can clearly be seen wearing sun-glasses.

* Errors made by characters (possibly deliberate errors by the filmmakers): When Laurie receives the letter from Marty she throws it into the open fire in disgust. It's obviously supposed to catch fire but it doesn't. Her father, Lars, quickly kneels down and can be seen setting light to the paper before dropping it on the hearth and stamping on it to put the flames out.

Memorable Quotes (http:////www.imdb.com/title/tt0049730/quotes)

Filming Locations
Aspen, Colorado, USA
Bronson Caves, Bronson Canyon, Griffith Park - 4730 Crystal Springs Drive, Los Angeles, California, USA
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Goosenecks State Park - State Highway 316, Mexican Hat, Utah, USA
Gunnison, Colorado, USA
Monument Valley, Utah, USA
RKO-Pathé Studios - 9336 Washington Blvd., Culver City, California, USA

See also this great link to the locations:-
The Searchers- 1956 (http://www.cinema-astoria.com/cinematography/filminglocation/locations/searchers/index.html)

Watch the Trailer:-

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Previous Discussion:-
Did Ethan Kill Lucy? (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1248)

THE SEARCHERS(1956)

The Biggest, Roughest, Toughest ...and Most Beautiful Picture Ever Made!

This, one line statement, just about sums it up, doesn't it?
On most polls, this one nearly always, comes out top.
It's fantastic film, with great actors, acting and scenery.
Duke got into the part of Ethan, and he made it his own,
with a deep and brooding persona, and a deep down hatred
of the Indian, rascism, in its earliest form.

Was he the father of Debbie?

Lots, and lots, to discuss on this one,
over this 3rd Aniversary
Rating 10/10

um... I absolutely LOVE this picture!!

Yes,

One of our favorites also, definitely in the top five.

Chester :newyear: and the Mrs. :angel1:

Hi,
It is one of my favorites too. I watched it on New Year night with Angel and Badman.
I think it is a masterpiece, so I can't analyse it, only enjoy.
Regards,
Senta :rolleyes:

EE, question about the cast. Weren't the Native Americans used in the movie as Comanches, really Navajos, who sort of became part of the Ford-Wayne acting company? I've seen most of them in Fort Apache, Searchers, McClintock and probably Rio Grande and She Wore A Yellow Ribbon.

Also, one person missing from the cast list under the uncredited, is one of the Rangers in the wedding scene. He's on there with Chuck Roberson in a dance number. That would be Terry Wilson who spent 8 years as assisstant wagonmaster Bill Hawks on Wagon Train. At least it sure looks like him. And he too must have been part of the stunt crew that Ford and Wayne used.

Frank McGrath, Wooster, is also visible in several scenes.

Hi WaynamoJim,
It is well known that all the films made in MV,
used the Navajos as actors, for whatever Indian, they wanted to depict!
They did indeed become part of the whole Ford-Wayne scenerio.
Quite a few of the actors, are listed in the credits of THE SEARCHERS,
if you watch all from, STAGECOACH onwards, you can recognise
familiar Navajo faces!

Hi,may2
You are both quite right about our two WAGON TRAIN
friends, so I have now posted the list below, which shows them
both as appearing, uncredited.

Stunts

Bill Cartledge .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Bryan 'Slim' Hightower .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Frank McGrath .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
Dale Van Sickel .... stunts (uncredited)
Henry Wills .... stunts (uncredited)
Terry Wilson .... stunts (uncredited)

For the purpose of accuracyas many will already be aware the following is not a mistake within the Searchers.

One minute, Martin Pawley, is one-eighth Cherokee,the next, he is
one-quarter Cherokee!

:agent:

Memorable Quotes

[first lines]
[seeing a horseman in the distance]
Aaron Edwards: Ethan?
Debbie Edwards: Hush, Prince.
Lucy Edwards: That's your Uncle Ethan!
Martha Edwards: Welcome home, Ethan!

Ethan: Our turnin' back don't mean nothin', not in the long run. She's alive, she's safe... for a while. They'll keep her to raise her as one of their own till, until she's of an age to...
Martin: Don't you think there's a chance we still might find her?
Ethan: Injun will chase a thing till he thinks he's chased it enough. Then he quits. Same way when he runs. Seems like he never learns there's such a thing as a critter that'll just keep comin' on. So we'll find 'em in the end, I promise you. We'll find 'em. Just as sure as the turnin' of the earth.

Reverend Clayton: Ethan, I gotta ask you and Martin to take a ride to State Capital.
Ethan: Is this an invite to a necktie party, Reverend?

Ethan: Well Reverend, looks like you've got yourself surrounded.
Reverend Clayton: Yeah and I figure on getting myself unsurrounded.

Reverend Clayton: I say we do it my way. That's an order!
Ethan: Yessir. But if you're wrong don't ever give me another.

Reverend Clayton: You wanna quit Ethan?
Ethan: That'll be the day.

Martin: I hope you die!
Ethan: That'll be the day.

Ethan: Well, Reverend, that tears it! From now on, you stay out of this. All of ya. I don't want you with me. I don't need ya for what I got to do.

Ethan: What you saw wasn't Lucy.
Brad: But it was, I tell you!
Ethan: What you saw was a buck wearin' Lucy's dress. I found Lucy back in the canyon. Wrapped her in my coat, buried her with my own hands. I thought it best to keep it from ya.
Brad: Did they...? Was she...?
Ethan: What do you want me to do? Draw you a picture? Spell it out? Don't ever ask me! Long as you live, don't ever ask me more.

Mrs. Jorgensen: It just so happens we be Texicans. Texican is nothin' but a human man way out on a limb, this year and next. Maybe for a hundred more. But I don't think it'll be forever. Some day, this country's gonna be a fine, good place to be. Maybe it needs our bones in the ground before that time can come.

Reverend Clayton: Well, the prodigal brother. When did you get back? Ain't seen you since the surrender. Come to think of it, I didn't see you at the surrender.
Ethan: I don't believe in surrenders. Nope, I've still got my saber, Reverend. Didn't beat it into no plowshare, neither.

Ethan: Figure a man's only good for one oath at a time; I took mine to the Confederate States of America.

[Reverend Clayton delivers a prayer at the Edwards' funeral for Aaron, Martha, and Ben]
Ethan: Put an amen to it!
Reverend Clayton: I ain't finished yet.
Ethan: There's no more time for praying! AMEN!

Brad: There's only one way you can stop me from looking for Lucy, mister, and that's kill me!
Martin: That's the way I feel, Uncle Ethan
[Edwards glares at him]
Martin: Ethan... Sir.
Ethan: Alright, but I'm giving the orders, hear. I'm giving the orders and you'll follow 'em, or we're splitting up right here and now!
Martin: Well, sure, Ethan. Just one reason were here, ain't it, is to find Debbie and Lucy?
Ethan: If they're still alive.

[Debbie, Ethan's captive niece, shows Ethan and Martin a lance of human scalps in Chief Scar's tent]
Ethan: We've seen scalps before.
[Chief Scar shows Ethan and Marty the gold locket that Ethan gave Debbie]
Chief Scar: This before?
Ethan: I came to trade, not to admire his collection. Tell him we'll pitch camp the other side of the creek. Talk tomorrow.

[Brad Jorgenson takes a small boulder and attempts to crush the skull of a dead Comanche warrior]
Reverend Clayton: Jorgenson!
Ethan: Why don't you finish the job?
[Ethan shoots out the eyes of the Comanche warrior]
Reverend Clayton: What good did that do ya?
Ethan: By what you preach... none. But, what that Comanch believes - ain't got no eyes... can't enter the spirit land... has to wander forever between the winds. You get it Reverend. Come on blanket-head! (Ethan is referring to Martin Pawley.)

[Ethan is tucking Martin in]
Ethan: Comfortable?
Martin: Ethan, are you all right?
Ethan: Well, I'm just saying goodnight to you.
Martin: Well, goodnight!

[after Ethan Edwards has just shot out the eyes of a dead Comanche, Reverend Clayton questions his motive]
Reverend Clayton: What good did that do ya?
Ethan: By what you preach, none. But what that Comanche believes, ain't got no eyes, he can't enter the spirit-land. Has to wander forever between the winds.

Martin: You know, Laurie, I was just thinking that maybe it's about time you and me started going steady, huh?
Laurie Jorgensen: Why, Martin Pawley, you and me been going steady since we was three years old!
Martin: We have?
Laurie Jorgensen: 'Bout time you found out about it.

[Laurie is reading a letter from Martin concerning his Indian wife]
Laurie Jorgensen: "She wasn't nearly as old as you are." HOW OLD DOES HE THINK I AM?

Reverend Clayton: Mount! M-O-N-T-E! Mount!

2nd Lt. Greenhill: Can't I stay? Please?
Reverend Clayton: Oh, all right. But you watch me boy! I'm the hardcase you're up against out here, not them childish savages! And if you don't hear my first holler, you better read my mind 'cause I don't aim to raise no two hollers on any subject at hand!
2nd Lt. Greenhill: [salutes with his sabre and nearly decapatates the Reverend] Yes sir!
Reverend Clayton: Boy, watch that knife!

Mose Harper: [preparing for an Indian attack] That which we are about to receive, we thank thee, O Lord.

Martin: [speaking to Debbie for the first time in five years] Debbie... Debbie, Debbie, don't you remember? I'm Martin, I'm Martin, your brother, remember? Debbie, remember back.
[pause]
Martin: Do you remember how I used to let you ride my horse? And tell you stories?
[desperate]
Martin: Oh don't you remember me, Debbie?
Debbie Edwards: [sad] I remember, from always. At first I prayed to you to come and get me, take me home. You didn't come.
Martin: But I've come now, Debbie.
Debbie Edwards: These are my people... Go. Go, Martin, please!

Laurie Jorgensen: [Martin is preparing to join a raid against the Indians and rescue Debbie] You're not goin', not this time.
Martin: Are you crazy?
Laurie Jorgensen: It's too late. She's a woman grown now.
Martin: But I gotta go, Laurie, I gotta fetch her home.
Laurie Jorgensen: Fetch what home? The leavings a Comanche buck sold time and again to the highest bidder, with savage brats of her own?
Martin: [upset] Laurie, shut your mouth.
Laurie Jorgensen: Do you know what Ethan will do if he has a chance? He'll put a bullet in her brain.
[pause]
Laurie Jorgensen: I tell you, Martha would want him to.
Martin: Only if I'm dead.

Ethan: Let's go home, Debbie.

[preparing to lead a charge into the Comanche camp]
Reverend Clayton: Brethren, we must go amongst 'em!


INFORMATION IMDb

My favorite quote from the movie:

Marty: Uncle Ethan

Ethan: Don't call me uncle. I'm not your uncle.

Marty: Yes sir.

Ethan: And don't call me sir, either. Or grandpa, or Methusalah. I could whip you to
frazzle.

That being said, I always wondered about the relationship between Ethan and Martha, his sister-in-law. The way they looked at each other and the way she caressed his coat when the Reverend snuck a look at her in her bedroom. I often thought that they were in love with each other but, for some reason, she married his brother. Maybe Aaron offered a more secure and stable life for her than Ethan. Maybe he was alot more wilder than she wanted but, she still loved him. And when Ethan rides to the burning ranch, the first one he calls for is Martha.

Originally posted by Robbie@Jan 2 2006, 03:00 PM
For the purpose of accuracyas many will already be aware the following is not a mistake within the Searchers.

One minute, Martin Pawley, is one-eighth Cherokee,the next, he is
one-quarter Cherokee!

:agent:
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Robbie, I'm curious why you say this is not a mistake. Obviously, one cannot be both one-eighth and one-quarter whatever (I think :mellow: ).

For the collectors out there, Deep Discount DVD (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=searchers&search.x=0&search.y=0) has 8 movie posters available, and the DVD available in boxed sets (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=john+wayne+the+searchers&search.x=0&search.y=0), but not individually (at least not that I can find).

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6304696566/qid=1139210797/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3581901-1689624?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130) has the DVD available from independent sellers, which means a $3.49 shipping charge, and of course they also have VHS available.

Chester :newyear:

Hi,
I have been researching all the threads, back to the start of the JWMB,
looking for previous discussion, relating to the movies.
I have found the following, comments, and have copied them here,
so that they are now under one forum:-

Scenes Cut From The Searchers, from the shooting script

itdo*
post Feb 29 2004, 09:46 AM

Reading the book "Code of Honor" made me look at the Searchers-script again. There are several scenes that have been filmed and cut. I have a copy of the shooting script and thought I'd treat you with a cut scene from one of our favorites (especially since a special DVD seems to come up, maybe it'll contain this one).

This scene is sandwhiched between Ethan's shooting the buffalo and checking if Debbies is among the white survivors. It has a lot of FORT APACHE in it. Anyway, here it is:

The column of cavalry and prisoners enters the agency (COLORADO FOOTAGE). we see the dead and wounded on travois (more description of the cavalry coming back to the fort), then:

INT. OFFICE OF NOKONI AGENCY - FULL SHOT -DAY
The office has been set up as a temporary army headquarters. The GENERAL is interviewed by two Eastern newspaper CORRESPONDENTS. At a table beyond is a telegrapher. More description of the room. Then: The General, for all his mudded boots, remains a beau sabreur and is loosely modeled upon a certain other well-known glory-hunter of the Indian wars. He wears a colonel's straps, but insists upon his brevet rank.

GENERAL
...and it was clear to me the hostiles outnumbered us four to one.. with all the advantage of terrain...

CORRESPONDENT
Four to one! What did you do, general?

Ethan and Martin enter, stand in the doorway.

GENERAL
Sir -- we charged! Gentlemen -- and I hope you will quote me -- I cannot say too much for the courage of the men who followed me into that Cheyenne camp...

ETHAN
(blurting it)
Cheyenne! What Cheyenne?

GENERAL
I beg your pardon?

ETHAN
That camp you hit was Nawyecka Comanche... Chief Scar's bunch...

CORRESPONDENT
Scar? What a wonderful name...

GENERAL
(to his aide)
Are you getting this, Keefer?

CORRESPONDENT
How do you spell that - Nawyecka?

Ethan ignores him, still facing the General.

ETHAN
My name is Edwards... I'm looking for my niece... she was in that camp when you attacked...

GENERAL
Well. I know there were some captives recovered.

MARTIN
(bitterly)
Four of 'em dead... so we're told.

GENERAL
Unfortunately, the hostiles murdered them as we developed the village...

ETHAN
Are you sure they didn't die of carbine shots fired by a bunch o' Yank bluebellies so scared they couldn't tell the difference between a Cheyenne and a Comanch!

GENERAL
Keefer! Put this man under arrest!

ETHAN
That'll be the day...
(scornfully)
As we developed the village...
Next time you develop a village hit it where the fightin men are. You won't get any headlines for killin squaws.

KEEFER
Shall I show him the captives, sir?

GENERAL
Just get him out of here!

KEEFER
Yes sir...
(he crosses to Ethan)
This way...

The scene cuts then to Ethan and Martin looking at the captives.
Interesting that Ford again had his way on Custer (yet again without giving his name) - in a scene similar to the correspondent's scene in Fort Apache. In the final scene, Wayne's makeup-man Web Overlander played a man among the correspondents who drew a picture of the General, Overlander was chosen to do that because he had that skill. Hope you enjoyed this as much as I do. :)
Robbie*
post Feb 29 2004, 06:11 PM

Roland
Since deleted scenes is one of my favourite subjects and
The Searchers is my favourite movie I'm sure you will know how much I enjoyed that little input from you.
A truely great film thanks for shareing that little piece of trivia with us any more information of deleted scenes especially regarding this movie will be more than welcome.
arthurarnell*
post Mar 1 2004, 09:33 AM

Hi Robbie, Roland
I have a Spring 1999 copy of Trail Dust and pages 15 to 17 headed THE AVENGING TEXANS deals with the Alan LeMay serial THE SEARCHERS
apart from a detailed Credit list it goes into detail about the making of the picture its faults and credits it response at the box office
and the timing of the release and various other things. If you haven't got it or are interested if you email your addressess
I can photocopy the pages and send them off to you.
I could possibly email the article to you both but that at the moment is beyond my technical expertise.

Best Regards
Arthur

Hi,
And here is a very interesting topic!!

Did Ethan Kill Lucy?, the complexity of the scene

itdo*
post Feb 11 2005, 06:21 PM

Reading yet another book on The Searchers (will they ever stop? yet the amount of books on the subject are proof of the richness of the material) and the author rises an interesting question which I'd like to share with you.

DID ETHAN KILL LUCY?

Ethan rides off into the canyon to follow a different trail. We never see what he actually DID find. We understand Lucy was raped. He doesn't give Brad the full answer ("..draw you a picture?") He comes back stabbing the sands with his KNIFE.

Later we learn:
1) from Laurie: Martha would have let Ethan "put a bullet in her brains" (meaning Debbie, but the same would go for the raped Lucy)
2) from Ethan: in the "Stand aside"-scene he would have done just that to Debbie.
3) Martin uses a kitchen knife when he tries to explain how the racist Ethan can get furious

Scar, the rapist of Martha, mirror of Ethan, "had" Martha which is of course what Ethan longed for. Therefore, to eleminate the very memory of it, he must eliminate not only the rapist himself but the victims as well.

Of course, this is an academic question since its one of the questions that Ford just lets unanswered as many others (it's got nothing to do if JOHN WAYNE would have killed Lucy, mind you). But as the complexity of this rich character goes, I find it an intriguing question. Any answers?
nathan_brittles
post Feb 12 2005, 12:13 AM

I have so many John Ford books around and its always fun to read the different ways people analyze all the scenes and hidden meanings!
This is an interesting point that I have never thought of before. If someone is up on the history they could answer whether the possibility exists that she would have been left alive by the indians. I also think that Ethan was more enraged that a girl was living as an Indian rather than the fact that she had been violated. But I certainly would like to hear more thoughts on this!*
arthurarnell*
post Feb 12 2005, 08:48 AM

Hi
This is an interesting topic that must be answered very carefully least it get out of hand.

Knowing nothing about the habits of Indians to that extent In the film Ulzana's Raid Indian Scout Burt Lancaster makes the comment that Indians will 'Rape to Death'

Also in Rio Grande when they find the wagon with the women in it Yorke prevents the lieutenant going down saying 'that if he had a friend he wouldn't let him go to see the bodies' and this was in 1950 in a picture that over here was probably a U catagory.

It is a concept very difficult to visualise and one that in pictures I must admit to not particulary wanting to. I would rather the unspoken reference than the brutal visual.

Regards
Arthur
Robbie*
post Feb 12 2005, 06:06 PM

Hi Roland,
Its an interesting question and I will try to answer it from the point of view which I interpreted the movie by.

1. On a simplistic note could the Comanches afford to leave her alive knowing that Ethan was close behind, there would have been the risk that she could have told Ethan what direction the Comanches went and other information that could have been useful to Ethan.

2. When Ethan actually tells Brad that Lucy is dead there is a lot of sadness within his character when he talks about burying her etc that would not have been associated with a person whom would have killed her.

3. I feel that this movie is primarily about racial tolerance and integration of different colour into society. There will be those whom will be totally against it(Ethan in this case) but as we know he learns to accept it at the end now had he killed Lucy originally the message Ford would have been transending would have been wrong. He would have been saying that in order to achieve racial acceptance you must do unjust onto your opposite colour if this happens in reality the world turns into a nasty place full of chaos and destruction. The message I ACTUALLY think that Ford gave was that even though Ethan had been sinned against by the Indians and even though he came to the brink to do an unjust act he eventually learns to accept his opposites in this case its Debbie.

4. Its quite early on in the Search when he discovers Lucy so in Ethans own warped mind he may not yet feel she has turned native.

5. It is never stated that Lucy was raped by the Indians merely only implied, there is little to no evidence of rape in my opinion.

If I was to take the opposite opinion why did he fly of on one after ridding down from the hill, he throws his rifle on the ground and digs his knife constantly into the ground. This is raw emotion which could mean he had just perpentrated the act and rode straight back to the other searchers after killing her.

His confederate coat is also inconclusive evidence did he find her naked and alive and allow her to wear it while he decided what to do with her or did he find her dead and wrap her in it before burial?

Why does he save Marty and not Brad after revealing Lucys death would Brad have asked too many questions?

One scene which has bothered me for ages within the Searchers is what was Ethan going to tell Marty at the Jorgensons ranch as Martins interpretation
I feel was way off.
William T Brooks
post Feb 12 2005, 08:30 PM

I do not want to make any of you Tender-Feet Sick but my Grandmother was a Half Comanche from Texas and her Father was White, and they came to Southern Arizona at the foot of the Chiricahua Mountains just North of Bisbee and just East of Tombstone in the late 1800s. This was at the end of the Apache Wars. She would tell me stories about what the Comanches and the Apaches did to the dead White people that they had Killed, and it was not very nice.
She said that they would Dis-Member the bodies and spread the parts as far apart as they could, so that in the After-Life they would not be a threat to them again. This was done with the Intestines also!!! I do not think this was a very good time in American History, and the Whites did just about the same thing to the Red-Man!!!
I am sure that John Ford would have Researched this fact, and the knowing that he had almost lived with the Native Americans when he did Yellow Ribbon, Fort Apache and Rio Grande he would have known these things. In films today they might even show this type of thing but they will not get any of my M-O-N-E-Y!!! Chilibill
chester7777*
post Feb 15 2005, 05:08 PM

My own opinion on this question - I don't believe that Ethan killed Lucy. I think he found her, obviously without at least her dress (some Indian was wearing it), likely scalped and dead body left, perhaps also the victim of rape as well. She was Ethan's kin, and he was probably enraged and sickened to find her that way. He wrapped her in his coat (to cover her up), then buried her. I think he might have been stabbing his knife in the sand out of frustration - he probably would rather have been burying his knife in an Indian, could only imagine that he was doing so (has anyone here ever punched a wall out of frustration, wanting to punch someone in the face instead :angry: ?).
That's my take on it, how I've always interpreted the scene.

Mrs. C :angel1:
Mrs.McLintock*
post Feb 15 2005, 06:27 PM

QUOTE
from Laurie: Martha would have let Ethan "put a bullet in her brains" (meaning Debbie, but the same would go for the raped Lucy)

When Laurie says this, she says I tell Martha would have wanted it that way. But this is after Debbie has been missing for five years; she has become a Commanche, she would have been raised by them and had a sympathy for them as we see in the end of the movie when Debbie is conflicted about going with Marty and Ethan. "These are my people"
Ethan murder Lucy, I say no.
A Girl Named Jen*
post Feb 16 2005, 02:44 PM

This certainly is an interesting question and one which I too have not heretofore considered. There is enough to suggest that Ethan killed Lucy, but I think it far more likely that she was already dead.
I've read one possible interpretation of Ethan stabbing the sand that has not yet been mentioned: he is subconsciously mimicking the act of sexual violence. (You know what I mean.) There is a frustration in him - not only at the rape and death of these women and the fact that as of yet he's been unable to avenge them, but a sexual frustration, as Roland mentions. He never "had" Martha and someone that he loathes more than anyone or anything did.
Now as to why he's carrying the knife in the first place... that's a good question, isn't it? I can't recall if there's any explanation given in the film.
itdo*
post Feb 17 2005, 06:09 PM

The knife certainly has a special meaning in this one (after all, in most westerns the men don't carry one at all).
As you said, Jen: why does he have one in the first place? He finally uses it to scalp Scar.
Martin mimicks him with the kitchen knife. And he uses his knife (taking it from the fire) to "open that wound again".
Finally, the young generation (Lt. Greenhill) has a much bigger knife - yet he cannot use it properly (misplacing it twice, and using it for a stupid looking salute).
Ethan gives away his first "knife" - the saber - to the family, passing it on to the younger generation - but Ben gets killed.
The knife is just one of the narratives that flow so subtle in this rich subtext. There's plenty more.
Despite the fact that Ford so seldom gave away information freely to interviewers, he was very clear about details such as this (for instance about how Ethan's medal should look, what this should suggest, et cetera), sending notes to his writers. Those subplots are constructed, not improvised - last of all unintended.
Having stirred up a little dust just for a fun discussion, I'd like to start a new one in a new topic: Was Debbie Ethan's daughter?
Robbie*
post Feb 17 2005, 10:51 PM

I didn't previously realise the significance of the knife but doesn't Marty carry one as well.
Ethan when talking to Clanton talks about the fact he still has his saber and in a humourous undertone states that he hasnt tunred it into a plough sheer neither.
When Ethan rides down that sand ridge and starts digging the sand with his knife, I personally feel that he is doing nothing more than venting his anger.
If the knife is a running subtext what exactly might it be stating.
Jay J. Foraker
post Feb 17 2005, 11:36 PM

QUOTE(Robbie @ Feb 17 2005, 05:41 PM)
Did Ethan kill half this conversation or am I just imagining there was more comments here.

:agent:
*

Hi Robbie -
I just mentioned on another topic that I posted four different items in the last 48 hours that simply fell off the map. I don't know what happened, but I hope the situation is corrected soon.

Cheers - Jay :wacko:

Originally posted by chester7777@Feb 6 2006, 08:46 AM
Robbie, I'm curious why you say this is not a mistake.* Obviously, one cannot be both one-eighth and one-quarter whatever (I think :mellow: ).

For the collectors out there, Deep Discount DVD (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=searchers&search.x=0&search.y=0) has 8 movie posters available, and the DVD available in boxed sets (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=john+wayne+the+searchers&search.x=0&search.y=0), but not individually (at least not that I can find).

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6304696566/qid=1139210797/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3581901-1689624?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130) has the DVD available from independent sellers, which means a $3.49 shipping charge, and of course they also have VHS available.

Chester :newyear:
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Hi Chester

Martin Pawley refered to his race as 1/8 cherekee.

Later Ethan called him a 1/4 Cherekee.

What Ford was trying to do was to highlight again to the viewer Ethans complete ignorance of different races and even though he was told what race Martin was he still wrongly specifies his race.

Hope this makes sense to you.

:agent:

Hi Robbie

I think this was a trait of John Ford that not many people realise. He is represented as a nasty piece of work through and through, but whether on account of his Irish heritage and the need to fight to belong in a new country or what I don't know but his treatment of ethnic races both Indian and African American was very sympathetic in Films like Cheyenne Autumn he tried to redress the balance of the way the American film public viewed the Indians, and in his early films with Stepin Fetchit although audiences laughed at his antics in his way Ford was trying to show that the performance was over the top and that the race had dignity.

Later the portrayal of the African American as a buffoon became unacceptable to the American public and it can be said that early Fetchit's performances paved the way for Sydney Potier and others later.

Arthur

Hi Arther,

I couldn't agree more with your post above.

Keith

For your trivia section this movie contains tons of deleted scenes and it is fascinating to watch the trailer for the Searchers as some of them can be viewed there. You are probably aware of this already Keith but do you know where these scenes would have fitted into the actual movie as I am unsure.

:agent:

The Writer's Guild (http://www.wga.org/subpage_newsevents.aspx?id=1807) has a list of what it considers to be the 101 best screenplays, and The Searchers (only JW film on the list) is #97.

Mrs. C :angel1:

Hello All
Speaking to the issue of racial prejudice in " Searchers " it was a strong statement for it's time. South Pacific , Searchers, West Side Storey, movies like these helped to illustrate the need to separate behavior that is unacceptable from the race or religion of the person who is the source of the behavior. Not every man in Ireland is in the IRA, not every Palestinian is in Hamas, Not every Canadian has an issue with Americans. If you take the Radical behavior of a few and use it to form an opinion about the much larger group then your opinion will be based on ignorance more then fact. I reserve the right to hate a lot different things that people have done but I have yet to see where the weakness of some high profile individuals is an indication of how everyone else thinks or acts. A lunatic uses a gun to create chaos and tragedy, does that mean every firearms enthusiast, is a bloodthirsty killer. Searchers grabs you by the primal instincts and squeezes some intense emotions out of you. I like it but I am glad that there are lighter JW films. murray

I always look at "The Searchers" as the movie that showed the range on Duke. He could get alittle formulaic in allot of his films but he showed what he could really do in this film.

Okay.....this past Saturday I had the two-disc anniversary edition of The Searchers (the greatest western of all time) in my hands.......IN MY HANDS!.................but then I saw the sticker ...................the one telling me about the Brad Pitt movie promotion which evidently is included.

That was enough to prevent my purchase.

Will someone please tell me that I will not be required to sit through Brangelina before being allowed to view hallowed western greatness. Please tell me that crap is on disc two so I can ignore it.

Please advise.

- Thanks.

Originally posted by cchoate@Jun 20 2006, 01:13 PM
Okay.....this past Saturday I had the two-disc anniversary edition of The Searchers (the greatest western of all time) in my hands.......IN MY HANDS!.................but then I saw the sticker ...................the one telling me about the Brad Pitt movie promotion which evidently is included.

That was enough to prevent my purchase.

Will someone please tell me that I will not be required to sit through Brangelina before being allowed to view hallowed western greatness. Please tell me that crap is on disc two so I can ignore it.

Please advise.

- Thanks.
32349


I have the Ultimate edition and you don't have to view it on my version. I wouldn't let the trailer hold you up on purchasing the movie. Get it now!!!

Been watching the new 2-disc SEARCHERS DVD and just can't get over how brilliant and moving it always is! I haven't watched it in it's entirety in years, and I didn't have the old DVD, so seeing it in it's new print with that wonderful vistaVision image just blew me away. And the title song is just so haunting. The documentaries are uniformly excellent and I'm glad they retained the "Warner Bros. Presents" doc from the VHS version of the movie. With widescreen, I now see so much stuff I missed with that old fullscreen tape. The massacred indians! I never saw that before! Great movie, but what an emotional powerhouse!

Haven't seen the documentary yet, but the edition is absolutly striking. I like comic book and photos. For a pity, living here I can't get free poster.
Regards,
Senta

Originally posted by cchoate@Jun 20 2006, 01:13 PM
Okay.....this past Saturday I had the two-disc anniversary edition of The Searchers (the greatest western of all time) in my hands.......IN MY HANDS!.................but then I saw the sticker ...................the one telling me about the Brad Pitt movie promotion which evidently is included.

That was enough to prevent my purchase.

Will someone please tell me that I will not be required to sit through Brangelina before being allowed to view hallowed western greatness. Please tell me that crap is on disc two so I can ignore it.

Please advise.

- Thanks.
32349



Well,

I finally bought the Ultimate Collector's Edition. The colors and images were amazing and incredibly lifelike. As you know, the package comes with two discs. Disc one is the movie and disc two is the documentary and interviews. My package came with two copies of disc one and no disc two. So, I now have a back-up copy of the movie, if I keep the purchase, or I return it and get the other stuff on disc two.

What would any of you do?

Originally posted by cchoate@Jul 5 2006, 02:35 PM
Well,

I finally bought the Ultimate Collector's Edition. The colors and images were amazing and incredibly lifelike. As you know, the package comes with two discs. Disc one is the movie and disc two is the documentary and interviews. My package came with two copies of disc one and no disc two. So, I now have a back-up copy of the movie, if I keep the purchase, or I return it and get the other stuff on disc two.

What would any of you do?
32726

Return it friend and get the second disc. It has soooooo much stuff on it. The documentaries are fantastic and as I said in an earlier line, there is one part during the documentary that has no sound byte, but shows Duke and Pappy just sitting, playing cards, and having a few beers. Worth every last penny. Good luck to ya.
Bo

Originally posted by cchoate@Jul 5 2006, 05:35 PM
Well,

I finally bought the Ultimate Collector's Edition. The colors and images were amazing and incredibly lifelike. As you know, the package comes with two discs. Disc one is the movie and disc two is the documentary and interviews. My package came with two copies of disc one and no disc two. So, I now have a back-up copy of the movie, if I keep the purchase, or I return it and get the other stuff on disc two.

What would any of you do?
32726


I agree, take it back. The extras on disc 2 are not to be missed.

Anybody who purchased the new version of "The Searchers" order the movie poster? If so, have any of you received it yet? I sent mine in the day after the initial release date and the address was someplace in Minnesota. I cannot believe it would take that long to get it to me since I live in the same state. Oh well, guess I have to show alittle patience.

Unfortunatly they add some features which was in the edition of The Searchers before, but also some new one.
And I don't understand about this booklet with posters, what is all this about?
Regards,
Senta :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Senta@Jul 6 2006, 03:01 PM
Unfortunatly they add some features which was in the edition of The Searchers before, but also some new one.
And I don't understand about this booklet with posters, what is all this about?
Regards,
Senta :rolleyes:
32755


Senta, There was a coupon in my "Ultimate" copy of "The Searchers" for a reproduction of a movie poster. All I had to do is pay for shipping. Must only be available to US residents, sorry.

Hi

I bought the two volumn version on Wednesday and watched the Bonus disc this afternoon. To see and hear three great directors giving their appreciation of the film was great and The Turning of the Earth was both informative, and emotional, I agree with your comments about the shot of Wayne and Ford drinking and reminiscing about past fishing trips.

Although the Searchers is not one of my favourite westerns, the scenery, the music together with a realistic and an unbiased opinion of John Wayne's acting ability from his peers made the second disc for me a bit special.

It also makes one think about Ford's temperment especially the quote when he wrote to Wayne in Japan telling him if he had time to visit a famous director saying that he was a fan of OUR work, a nice human touch and one that I wouldn't have believed Ford would be capable of.

It just goes to show after fifty years and the thousands of words spoken and written we all have something new to learn and appreciate.


Regards

Arthur

Hi Arther

Do you remember some years ago Jonathan Ross did a profile of Duke on a programme called hollywood greats. The programmed showed some behind the scenes footage of the Searchers and showed a scene of Duke and Ford together on a hilltop, with Ford holding Dukes arm, do you know what was going on?

:agent:

Hello, just watched the searchers, I thought it was pretty good, the best western I've seen so far! My favourite line was from when they were scouting out the Commanche camp down below.

Captian: How many do ya figure?

Duke: 'Bout a dozen, each. Enough to go around.

About the preview for the Brad Pitt movie. If any one who has the two disc version has watched it, they would know that it could barely be called a trailer since there is only a little dialogue from the Robert Ford character (a voice over) and nothing from Brad or even a real scene or anything. I was hoping to at least get a little taste of the movie. (Just to clear things up, not a Brad Pitt fan, but love tales of the old time gunslingers)

But back to the searchers, I thought the music was fantastic and it really felt timeless. But it seems like there are a lot of unanswered questions. I've read the other posts in this section and definitely have more of an understanding than I did before, but it would have been better if the film had answered (or hinted at the answer) so we didn't have to guess.

I was just re-reading all the original posts about the movie and thinking about the significance of the knife in the scene where he comes over the ridge and starts digging it into the sand.

Now, I'm not sure where I heard this (or whether it's true or not) but didn't people use sand or dirt to clean blood off their blades, to prevent them from rusting. We don't see any blood on his knife, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there.

I'm not saying that he did kill Lucy, because personally I don't think that he did.


But...

Man I love this movie.

Dukes Movie Locations

This movie was filmed mostly in these locations

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Aspen, Colorado, USA
Aspen- Google Images (http://images.google.co.uk/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official_s&hl=en&q=Aspen%2C%20Colorado%2C%20&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)

RKO-Pathé Studios (http://employees.oxy.edu/jerry/rko40.htm)- 9336 Washington Blvd., Culver City, California, USA

MONUMENT VALLEY


980

Bronson Caves

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Hi All

Is the 50th Anniversary edition any better than the Ultimate version?

Are there any additional extras that would warrant purchase?

Also, is the print / sound quality anyway noticably different?


Best

Mike

Hi Mike,
What is the difference between 50th anneversary and Ultimate edition? I had this movie in different versions. The best is the newest one which was released in the Wayne-Ford collection this year. There was plenty of new features and even photo stills and comic book. Also I have it on two side region 2 disc - on one side it is widescreen, on the other fit to tv screen. This one was released in Duke Finnish/Swedish collection wich go in metal box and included also Rio Bravo, Train Robbers, Cahill, Chisum and Cowboys. I simply can't go away from it when I saw it in Finland.
Regards,
Senta :rolleyes:

Hi Senta

Here are the two links for The Searchers to compare:-

Ultimate Edition

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/632508/The_...rs/Product.html (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/632508/The_Searchers/Product.html)

50th Anniversary Edition

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/924112/The_...on/Product.html (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/924112/The_Searchers_50th_Anniversary_Edition/Product.html).

The print is brilliant on the Ultimate Edition even when projected which is why I ask is there any major differences between them


Best


Mike

Originally posted by DukePilgrim@Dec 10 2006, 02:19 PM
The print is brilliant on the Ultimate Edition even when projected which is why I ask is there any major differences between them
Best
Mike
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The Ultimate Collector's Edition includes two booklets in a single slipcase: a comic book reprint originally published by Dell, and various advertising material from Warner Brothers. Both booklets have about 32 pages each. In another slipcase are 10 high-quality black and white stills taken during production, plus 3 pages of inter-office memos.

The new print, although more vibrant, is the same as previous releases so it doesn't contain anything different. The framing and aspect ratio are *slightly* different, though.

Originally posted by DukePilgrim@Dec 10 2006, 10:19 PM
Hi Senta

Here are the two links for The Searchers to compare:-

Ultimate Edition

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/632508/The_...rs/Product.html (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/632508/The_Searchers/Product.html)

50th Anniversary Edition

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/924112/The_...on/Product.html (http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/924112/The_Searchers_50th_Anniversary_Edition/Product.html).

The print is brilliant on the Ultimate Edition even when projected which is why I ask is there any major differences between them
Best
Mike
37708

Hi Mike,
The 50s Anneversary edition is completly different version, which I see by your links. It is a little mixed up in names. This year in Region 1 was released new version of remastered Searchers with plenty of feachures, one which I have - included 2 disc and 2 booklets and photo stills from the prodaction and for american citizens even a poster (it is't fear! :cry2: ) and 50-s anneversary includes only 2 disc but the same remasteresd version.
What you are calling Ultimate edition is region 2 release. Some of the features in new Region 1 edition are the same, but they have + Turning of the Eath and some others. And the main difference is on the shape of images and in color. it is so differnt that it even takes time to became used to it. But I think it is better, more natural colors.
By the way, your Ultimate edition (Reg2) also have two versions of Searchers - wide screen and not?
Regards,
Senta

Originally posted by Senta@Dec 10 2006, 11:54 PM
Hi Mike,
The 50s Anneversary edition is completly different version, which I see by your links. It is a little mixed up in names. This year in Region 1 was released new version of remastered Searchers with plenty of feachures, one which I have - included 2 disc and 2 booklets and photo stills from the prodaction and for american citizens even a poster (it is't fear! :cry2: ) and 50-s anneversary includes only 2 disc but the same remasteresd version.
What you are calling Ultimate edition is region 2 release. Some of the features in new Region 1 edition are the same, but they have + Turning of the Eath and some others. And the main difference is on the shape of images and in color. it is so differnt that it even takes time to became used to it. But I think it is better, more natural colors.
By the way, your Ultimate edition (Reg2) also have two versions of Searchers - wide screen and not?
Regards,
Senta
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Hi Senta

I understand now. I will have to check whether the Ultimate Edition has widescreen and academy versions. The reason I am querying the print is that the Ultimate Edition print is already great but it will be interesting to see what has been done in terms of print.


Best


Mike

Hi Senta

Yes, Ultimate Edition has regular 1.33 and widescreen 1.85 edtions on it.

Best

Mike

Originally posted by DukePilgrim@Dec 12 2006, 05:26 PM
Yes, Ultimate Edition has regular 1.33* and widescreen 1.85 edtions on it.
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Interesting... the Region 1 version of Ultimate Collector's Edition doesn't have the full-frame print.

Hi Roughrider

Wonder is this a clever marketing ploy to make sure we have at least 2 versions :wacko:

Mike

Originally posted by DukePilgrim@Dec 13 2006, 10:30 AM
Wonder is this a clever marketing ploy to make sure we have at least 2 versions :wacko:
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The initial release (1997) of The Searchers on Region 1 had both versions. But not including the fullframe version in the Ultimate Collector's Edition (Region 1) is certainly no loss.

It illustrates how DVD packages can vary from region to region. Here's an example -- in this case not crossing an ocean.

The Ultimate Collector's Edition (UCE) was included in my Region 1 box set of the John Wayne-John Ford Film Collection. It wasn't supposed to be included according to the product description (it was supposed to be the Ultimate Edition). To make room for the UCE, which is twice the thickness of the UE, Stagecoach was excluded altogether. But on the box set itself, the one I received, there's no mention of Stagecoach. When I Google the UPC number on my set, the results show that Stagecoach is included.

My box set is probably the early Canadian release and rights to Stagecoach, or rights to some part of its special features, hadn't been cleared yet in Canada.

As my name indicates this is my favorite Duke western. I always found it odd and comical concerning the indian under the rock and Nesbys comments that went something like this "Indians on the raid generally hide their dead and if they ain't afraid of us finding then their not of afraid of us following". I always wondered what about burying their dead under a rock was not trying to hide it?

Any decent tracker would have been able to find that dead Indian under the rock.

Nesby was aware of the fact that the Comanche were not covering their tracks and were ultimately lurring the rangers into a trap.

:agent:

I always wondered what about burying their dead under a rock was not trying to hide it?
Put an amen to it!

First of all, we would like to welcome you to the John Wayne Message Board, the best of its kind on the 'Net! I hope you will check out some of the threads in the Newbie forum and post there, so we can got better acquainted with you.

Second, regarding burying dead under a rock, as I understand it wasn't so much to hide a body, but often to keep wild animals from digging up the body and eating on it.

Chester :newyear:

My wife got me the Ultimate Collector's Edition for Xmas. I loved the comic book and the book with all the clips and articles in it. Then the other envelope with all the set photos was great too. I'd like to see a similar set done for The Comancheros or The Conqueror with some info about all the stories and the sickness that followed that filming. We've lost a lot of great actors/actresses from that film set. You don't hear much about his family. I wonder if Patrick has any health problems?

The Searchers DVD has been named as the best DVD release of 2006 by Sound & Vision Magazine. One more for the Duke !!

Best Picture, Sound, and Extras on DVD
1. The Searchers (Ultimate Collector's Edition; Warner, 2 discs). The John Ford/John Wayne classic never looked better, in crisp Technicolor and Ford's preferred VistaVision aspect ratio. With tons of interviews and other extras, including the 1956 comic book! — Mel Neuhaus
2. King Kong (2005, Deluxe Extended Edition; Universal, 3 discs). The impeccably detailed video and audio are reason enough to praise this release, but you also get a boatload of extras, including 40 minutes of deleted scenes. — Rad Bennett
3. Forbidden Planet (Ultimate Collector's Edition; Warner, 2 discs). Beautiful color and crystal-clear CinemaScope images are so good that a guest mistook the disc for high-def. Great extras, too: documentaries, a whole other Robby the Robot feature — even a Robby toy! — Mel Neuhaus
4. The Seven Samurai (The Criterion Collection, 3 discs). A mini film-school course on Akira Kurosawa and the samurai genre. Fifty-year-old movies have no business looking this good. — Brandon Grafius
5. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (Special Edition; Disney, 2 discs). See Johnny swashbuckle amidst ace CGI effects, an immersive soundtrack, and lots of making-of extras. — Marc Horowitz
6. Apocalypse Now (The Complete Dossier; Paramount, 2 discs). Images and sonics rock, but buy this set for the extras: deleted/extended scenes, a Francis Ford Coppola commentary, and stuff on Marlon Brando that's worth the price of admission all by itself. — Marc Horowitz
7. V for Vendetta (Special Edition; Warner, 2 discs). The antiestablishment movie to end all antiestablishment movies, in a state-of-the-art transfer. Most important extra (on Guy Fawkes) clarifies the plot. — Rad Bennett
8. Young Mr. Lincoln (The Criterion Collection, 2 discs). Plenty of interviews and other background material — and besides Criterion's usual fine video transfer, a great audio restoration. — Sol Louis Siegel
9. The Proposition (First Look). This Australian Western gets the grand treatment: a commentary, featurettes, and a kicking DTS surround track that really uses all of the channels. — Sol Louis Siegel
10. The War of the Worlds (1953, Special Collector's Edition; Para-mount). Vibrant colors are restored and scratches eliminated in this A+ transfer. Extras include Orson Welles's famous radio version. — Rad Bennett


http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/entertainment/2053/10-best-cds-and-dvds-of-2006.html link to magazine

Its in good and bad company. On the plus side there is 'The Seven Samurai' and 'Young Mr Lincoln' but on the negative side there is 'King Kong'.

I'm glad however that this particular version of 'The Searchers' is of a high standard as this is a pretty exceptional movie. Do the extras for this movie simply include 'The turning of the Earth' documentary and modern directors take on this exceptional movie?

:agent:

The Ultimate Collectors Edition is worth every penny and then some. The release includes the comic book and a book of old clippings and miniature posters for the film release. The first DVD includes:


Introduction by Patrick Wayne
The Searchers (Original Release) Widescreen
Commentary by Peter Bogdanovich
Theatrical Tralier


The second DVD includes the following items:


The Searchers: An Appreciation
A Turning of the Earth: John Ford, John Wayne & The Searchers
Behind The Cameras

Meet Jeffrey Hunter
Monument Valley
Meet Natalie Wood
Setting Up Production

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford Theatrical Trailer

I whole heartedly agree with DakotaSurfer.

If you have not picked this DVD up then you are surely missing out on a great treasure.

Thanks Dakota Surfer,

For posting this information, and I agree with Todd,
it's a must!!

Hi all,
I agree with all of you. This DVD must have every Duke fun - it's a great release.
Regards,
Senta

Looks like I am going to have to upgrade to The Ultimate Collectors Edition
as it is so highly rated.

I think my present one is pretty neat at the moment I stand ready to be impressed.


Mike

Hi all,

I agree with everyone, it's a must have.
Mike you won't be disappointed.

Emmanuel.

Mike,

I've been checking in on the message board pretty regular, but somehow I missed this until today. Thanks for sharing it. I don't think I have the "Ultimate Collection" Searchers, although I do think my DVD has many of the features listed above. But there are a few more goodies with the collection, so I might just have to add it to my personal collection.

Thanks again!

Chester :newyear:

This is what it looks like... a nice big brown colored box (western looking) with three cases inside. Ultimate Collection (http://www.amazon.com/Searchers-Ultimate-Collectors-John-Wayne/dp/B000F0V0LI/sr=8-2/qid=1169797366/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-5076478-2540617?ie=UTF8&s=dvd)

Hi Chester

I have the Ultimate bout I believe it is the 50th Anniversary set that is the best seller.

Play.com is selling the Region 1 for £13.00

http://www.play.com/DVD/Region_1/4-/1001184/The_Searchers_50th_Anniversary_Edition/Product.html

I see the Region 2 version is Sold Out. Now that is a good sign !!1


Mike

That lools like a real good package

Nice photo

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Patrick has done TV and movies since that time, except he's been quiet for 10 years. Even a daytime soap, but Ive never heard of any major illness. He is 68 years old now...

He's involved with the Cancer Institute, although that probably doesn't take much time. He has a magic act, but the only place I've of heard him performing was at the Bohemian Grove
( a large private group of the super rich and famous internationalists).

Knowing how these people think, they probably got more entertainment out of the fact that John Wayne's heir and apparent wasn't continuing his father's
Rugged Nationalist Style of Americanism, than his magic,

Chester :newyear:

Here are two posters from The Searchers, one for the regular theater, and the other from a military post.

Nice poster, strange they changed from the colour one!

Keith,

Thank you. The color change is odd. This is one that Les Adams, from Abilene, Texas shared with us.

Chester :newyear:

Have just purchased a new 2 disc release of The Searchers. On the 2nd disc it has a very good extra, An Appreciation, featuring Curtis Hanson, John Milins and Martin Scorsese. They all speak very highly of the movie and how it affected them when they first saw it. Also it has an introduction by Patrick Wayne filmed at a location used in the film. The new digital transfer is also the best ive seen. This was purchased in Scotland, but presumably it's available over the pond!

Chris.

There is already a thread about The Searchers and we have discussed the Ultimate Collection release. Just so you know and staff will probably merge the two. The Searchers (http://www.dukewayne.com/thread1743-6.html)

Hi Chris

I bought the same copy last year in HMV reduced to £7.00 I find it amazing that it was so cheap.


Regards

Arthur

I like "The Searchers" so much.
and have 2 questions.
1.how many years Ethan searching for debbie? 5,10or other?
2. Is Ethan Aaron's younger brother or elder brother?

Hi Sanda

The Search takes place over the course of five years, this is explicity stated by Duke when he threw a rock into the water prior to Debbie arriving at the camp and telling the searchers to leave.

I think Ethan is the younger brother and the reason I think this is because he looks younger, he is the one who went to fight in the American civil war which would usually have been done by the younger male members of a family.

:agent:

Hi Robbie
Thanks for your precise reply.

I'm plesant and settled down for your solution to my longtime doubt.

Five years search! I'm sorry that I don't notice duke's comment.

and Duke's real age in "The Searchers" was 49,
older than Walte Coy (47 years old). It's funny, is'nt it?

Best regards H.sanada

It has also been implied that Ethan had an affair with his brother's wife. Any thoughts on this?

It's very plain how they feel about each other, but if they have actually acted accordingly, we will never know. I'm inclined to think that it is only unspoken desire, but then again I started watching movies in late 70's and the secret language of the time when things would not be shown directly is not instinctive to me as it probably was for the audience back then.

Especially in the scenes where she is holding is coat and in the scene where he gives her a kiss on the forehead.

The classic movie The Searchers 5oth Anniversary edition remastered with documentaries is being sold at £3.99 in play.com sale

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/924112/The_Searchers_50th_Anniversary_Edition/Product.html

Other John Wayne DVDs are also on offer.

If you havent got it now is the time to upgrade at a bargain price.


Mike

This film gave Duke his golden opportunity to show the world that he could indeed act and boy did seize the chance. This is probably the best film done by the dynamic duo of Ford and Wayne, but in ranking the westerns he did in the 50's this one comes in just below Rio Bravo.

What was the medal that JW gave the little girl.It was on a ribbon..Thanks for any help.

Here is a Film Facts from Clive Woollands, used with his permission.

Howdy folks, it's time for another film fact, this time it's from the classic western 'The Searchers'.

Producers: Merian C. Cooper, C.V. Whitney, Screenplay: Frank S.
Nugent, Cinematographer: Winton C. Hoch, Art Director: James Basevi,
Frank Hotaling, Editor: Jack Murray, Distribution: Warner Bros.
Pictures, Locations: Monument Valley, Arizona/Utah, Cost of
Production: $3.75 million, Date of Production: 1955.

The Searchers is John Ford's 115th feature film.

The sequence where Ethan Edwards chases Debbie was actually filmed in 2 locations and patched together in post-production. The first side of the hill is in Monument Valley, the second is 1,200 miles (1,930km) away at Griffith Park in Los Angeles.

Natalie Wood says that she had a huge crush on Wayne's son, Patrick, during shooting.

For some reason, German born, American-educated, blue-eyed actor Henry Brandon seemed a natural choice to John Ford to play the Native American chief, Scar. Ford also cast him as an Indian in his 1961 film Two Rode Together.

Actress Dorothy Jordan, who plays the ill-fated Martha Edwards, was the wife of producer Merian C. Cooper.

Legend has it that Ward Bond caused panic on the set by unplugging the camera so he could plug in his electric razor. It's also claimed that he walked around naked in front of the windows of his room in an effort to attract actress Vera Miles.

By July, temperatures in Monument Valley had soared to over 82f (28c) and some cast and crew members fainted in the heat.

Regular Ford Stuntman Frank McGrath had spent the previous six months in plaster after breaking his back, but he had to do three separate stunts that called for him to fall from a horse and be dragged along.

I saw this on Amazon. Quite a good price if you havent got it already

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000P46PLY/ref=pe_pe_606_6296210_pe_ar_d1


Best

Mike

I just rewatched this one again, for the fourth time and I love it. I think that it is just fantastic from beginning to end. I would argue that this is the best movies he ever made, or at least the best western. It's one of those movies that doesn't get stale with repeated viewings!

I just rewatched this one again, for the fourth time and I love it. I think that it is just fantastic from beginning to end. I would argue that this is the best movies he ever made, or at least the best western. It's one of those movies that doesn't get stale with repeated viewings!
dc65,
I couldn't agree with you more! There are so many layers to the story, that are revealed the more you watch the film.

Chester :newyear:

Following on from my last post. Whilst The Searchers is the original soundtrack but it also has quite a bit of hiss/crackle. If they had bothered remastering or cleaning it up it would have been great.

Mike

Finnish tour poster from 1960´s. Note the age limit, 16


http://atomiaika.fi/catalog/images/etsijat.jpg

Hi all,
I love "The Searchers". Casting,Directing ,Cinematography All is great.
and soundtrack is so wonderfull.
Titlle song is reminds me wide open spaces east Texas(but,actually it was
taken Monument Valley)
The Searchers is unquestionably one of the top western films of all time.
Max Steiner's soundtrack CD which i have is below. this cd contains 35 page booklet.
Regards, H.sanada

This is the movie pamphlet of that time when The Searchers
is released for the first time in Japan.
H.sanada

This is the movie pamphlet of that time when The Searchers is released for the first time in Japan.
H.sanada
THANK YOU so much for sharing the Japanese pamphlet.

I am really enjoying the international offerings of our different members, from all around the world! It continues to emphasize the wide appeal of our hero - no borders and timeless as well.

Chester :newyear:

THANK YOU so much for sharing the Japanese pamphlet.

I am really enjoying the international offerings of our different members, from all around the world! It continues to emphasize the wide appeal of our hero - no borders and timeless as well.

Chester :newyear:

I have always said that John Wayne was Americas gift to the world and also your greatest ever export.

:agent:

The best movie I've ever seen, wonderful

What a superb JW western, one of his finest

If its on television I always make time to watch it

Great story, great casting - hugely enjoyable

One of my favorite Duke films. Here is an example of the book and the comic book from the movie. Enjoy!

Mark

http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/2147f889d6101bd.jpg

http://www.alljohnwayne.com/Comics/sccomic.jpg

Nice ones, Mark!!

Ditto Keith, How many of these comic books do you have?

Chester :newyear;

I only have one of the comics (The Conqueror), Jim. The others that I am posting are examples I found elsewhere on the web over time. I do have all the books I am posting, though. That is where my interest was when I was collecting. The books I could afford, but the comics always seemed to be out of my price range.

Mark

Here is a Japanese press sheet for The Searchers.
Nice design. Movie title The Searchers is replaced 3 word in Japanese(kanji)
as" sou-saku-sya".

H.sanada

That's a very nice piece you have there, H.sanada. I bet that would look real nice in a frame on the wall.

Mark

That's a very nice piece you have there, H.sanada. I bet that would look real nice in a frame on the wall.

Mark
Thanks Mark, It's my pleasure.
I really appreciate your good job for JWMB and enjoyed your collections of JW.
By the way,Don't you worry about the limmit of attachments?
cause you had sent many photos., i guess if you cross the limmit.

H.sanada

Hello H.sanada,

I don't put them on as attatchments, I put them in my photos. Look below your name in the post above. If you click on the my photos count (your's is 0), it will take you to a page where you can put photos. You are allowed up to 100 photos in your gallery. Then you just link to that picture in your post. I have to trim my down a little, I have 94 in my gallery. I hope that answeres your question.

Mark

Sometime ago, this movie was voted to be our favourite
Duke Western,
Any newer members, who have not joined in on this thread,
please do.

If The Searchers was made today it would clean up at the Oscars, one of the greatest films ever made IMO

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h182/johndunlea/vlcsnap-39584.png

here is Japanese poster for The Searchers in 1956.
Red three words means searchers in Japanese.
Taka

Nice poster. Thanks for posting

Mike

For those looking to beef up their Blu-ray collection of JW movies, Amazon is having a sale now through January 4th, and The Searchers on Blu-ray is currently on sale for $13.99.

If you have a total order of $25 or more, it's FREE shipping!

Chester :newyear:

For those looking to beef up their Blu-ray collection of JW movies, Amazon is having a sale now through January 4th, and The Searchers on Blu-ray is currently on sale for $13.99.

If you have a total order of $25 or more, it's FREE shipping!

Chester :newyear:
I found it(Blu-Ray version) at Sam's Club for $10.97 + tax. Great deal on a awesome looking movie in High Def!! Plus its a great movie to boot....

Sounds like Sam's Club has Amazon beat! But for those who don't have a Sam's Club nearby . . .

If I had to make any criticism of The Searchers it would be the casting of Dorothy Jordan as Martha. Her acting, (the wonderful scene with Ethan's coat is incredibly moving) can't be faulted, but she just doesn't have the strong prescence and magnetism to be the love of Wayne's life and the reason he came back. She's just too 'ordinary' to be the motivation for the whole movie and hardly gets any screen time anyway. Maybe that's what Ford wanted of course, and yes, I know she was the producer's wife and she also appeared in other Ford films.
There's also the descrepancy between Lana Wood's "Faithfully fulfill" and Ward Bond's "Faithfully discharge". Haven't seen the screenplay but suspect Lana's line reading was accurate and Bond's ad-libbed? It would be typical of Ford to let it go rather than do another take and lose spontenaitey.

I do not think the Martin Pauley references to being 1/8 cherokee and then 1/4 is a mistake. Martin says he is 1/8. It is Ethan that says 1/4. I think Ethan didn''t care enough to really take notice of martys percentage and just threw out a number. I often make similiar mistakes myself.

Whiskey,
We all make those mistakes but our lives aren't following a script,so
I'm thinking it was a mistake in either the script or continuity.

Generaly most reviews think of it as a goof!

From our profile
*One minute, Martin Pawley, is one-eighth Cherokee,
the next, he is one-quarter Cherokee!

Every time I watch This Film as I did a Few Days ago, It Gets Better, as Duke was Not Like This, and was showing how good of a Actor He was by Really Acting !!!
Chilibill
:cowboy:

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Hi All
An advertising poster of the double feature screening of The Searchers
and Yellowstone Kelly was discovered on some website.
What a wonderful combination it is!

Taka

Makes me want to go to the drive-in with the Mrs. :wub:

Chester :newyear:

Hello Chester
Lost Americana the drive-in theater !
What movie is good if Mr and Mrs Chester see in the drive-in theater?

Taka

Just read an interview with Fess Parker, who was aparently Ford's first choice for Martin Pawley. Parker at that time (just coming off Davy Crockett) was under personal contract to Walt Disney and Walt turned the part down without Parker ever knowing it was on offer! Parker only learned this from Walt when he and Jeffrey Hunter were driving to the location of 'The Great Locomotive Chase'.
Its interesting to speculate how he would have been as Martin, and indeed how his subsequent career might have turned out...
Interestingly, a few other Ford people as well as Hunter appear in 'The Great Locomotive Chase' - Harry Carey Jnr, Claude Jarman Jnr, and Stan Jones!
Its a favourite of mine to this day!

Well here we are all these years later and
"The American Film Institute"
Said that John Wayne and John Ford's Film Made almost 45 Years Ago,
"The Searchers"
===========
Is still the Best Western Film Ever Made !!
:teeth_smile:
So Here are some Film Clips from the film that I put up on YouTube, But you better Look at Them Fast Before They Make Me Take Them Down !!!
:ohmy:
Chilibill
:cowboy:


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These are great clips, his walk-off at the end of the movie is oscar material, and a tribute to Harry Carey Sr.
Thank You
Bill

Here is the Film Clip of
"The Searchers"
:wink_smile:
Chilibill
:cowboy:

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Here is the next Film Clip of
"The searchers"
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And Most People Think it is The Best Ending of Any Western Film Ever Made !!!
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Such a great movie, and I do not think there has ever been another movie made with a better ending. He comes into the movie from the start alone, and ends alone. John Ford was a great director.
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At the first part of the Film John Wayne Shows His Mean Side and His Dislike of The Indians !
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It is so hard to beat this movie, wheather your comparing this to other Duke movies or movies of today. I consider It one of the best films ever made and I really doubt if one will ever come out to change my mind.

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The scope of this movie is what I like about it with all the changes from Ethan and Martin, to the Rangers, and the Indians.

I have been thinking about John Ford and question if maybe in some ways did he hurt Duke's career? Duke was so loyal to Ford and everything Pappy did Duke would imitate. The use of the same actors in every movie after awhile may have gotten old for some viewers. We are devout fans, but borderline fans are not as tolerating. Just a few thoughts.

In the Old Days when we went to the Movies all the time, we wanted to see the People with Duke, like Ward Bond, Ben Johnson,Harry Carey and Victor McLaglen !!!
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A great and truly beautiful movie. Is it the best John Ford/John Wayne Collaboration? Maybe. :wink:
I watched recently these wonderful DVD releases and my first thought was: WOW just beautiful!
Maybe it's Dukes best performance and his best role. Ethan Edwards is such a complex character and one of the best Western figures I've ever seen. John Wayne was the perfect Cast for it. I also appreaciate all the other actors/actresses in this movie and their performances. IMO The Searchers should have got several Oscars and least for the best picture and best actor.
It cannot be seen but John Wayne scalping Scar must have been a shock for the audience.
Great performances, great photography ... amazing Movie! :teeth_smile:

I like so much this film,because it has a depth like few others.
Reading here and there on the web I found this analysis and in particular I like this piece.

"The Searchers featured lots of desert and empty open space. It seems like an allegory for the philosophical search for truth. Though Ethan could see for miles in every direction, he couldn’t find the one thing he was looking for. Though he could follow tracks and make educated guesses as to Debbie’s location it took years to find her. Similarly, when people are looking for the truth on one issue they know the general direction they want to go but getting there takes years if indeed they ever arrive. I think that for Ethan the search is not just for his niece but also for himself. He seems to have lost his kindness, decency and much of what makes him human. Ethan is blatantly racist through most of the movie. He states that he would rather kill his niece than let her live as an Indian. At the end however, when he has the chance to kill her, he instead chooses to save her. It is not just his niece he has found, but also he has found himself and found a way to overcome his racism."

http://www.philfilms.utm.edu/1/searchers.htm

Ok I just finished watching The Searchers.. Pity it was filmed in no mans land , Monument Valley . Surely they could have picked a better location than a desert. One look and a blind man could see you can't run cattle on that country..:bs: Still a good movie bar the s**** location.. When you see movies like the original My Friend Flicka filmed in beautiful country which would have made a far better back drop for this JW film..

Pinto the film is about an uncle trying to find his niece after she is taken away by raiding Indians not a cattle run. Wait until you see Red River. What do the cattle eat there??


I think the likes of Monument Valley were used so much as locations as it was so away from 20th Century annoyances like planes, telegraph polls and cars etc.

Duke's location for westerns in Durango Mexico was selected for much the same reasons.

I actually think the location of Monument Valley is hauntingly attractive but each to their own.

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I actually think the location of Monument Valley is hauntingly attractive but each to their own.

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Mike I totally agree, and as the opening post says:-

The Biggest, Roughest, Toughest ...and Most Beautiful Picture Ever Made!

I love Monument Valley. I think The Searchers is not only a fantastic film, but a feast for the eyes as well. I understand your point, Pinto, but if we used reality as a guide, just about all movies would be quilty of stretching it.

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monument valley is not a s..... location.it's the most beauiful landscape god put on this god forsakeing world.no other location would have suited the story of the searchers.

Ford's films aren't supposed to be taken as a literal recreation of the Old West and ranching and sod-busting or what have you. He was a poet whose medium was film, and Monument Valley (and all the other locations he used) is the landscape that reflects his vision of humanity and its place in nature, and the emotional states of his characters. The Searchers is a portrait of an obsessed man who will stop at nothing in his quest, and Monument Valley with its starkness, its vastness, its startling enormous rock formations and its sheer implacability is the perfect place for Ethan Edwards' story to unfold.

I'm not sure if it would be entirely impossible to farm at those locations, for example the Jorgenson ranch has access to water which would have been vital for farming.

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Why did John Wayne not get nominated an Oscar for "The Searchers." I can't believe anyone gave a better performance that year. In my opinion his best performance.

Why did John Wayne not get nominated an Oscar for "The Searchers." I can't believe anyone gave a better performance that year. In my opinion his best performance.

He certainly deserved an Oscar for this role. I would say a mixture of politics from the Mc Carthy era plus the fact that the academy looked down on westerns as a genre.

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Peter Bogdanovich (director, The Last Picture Show and Ford scholar) just posted a blog column about The Searchers. Not sure it says anything all THAT new but it's still a good read.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/peterbogdanovich/archives/the_searchers/

Thanks for posting that link. Peter Bogdanovich knows how to express an appreciation.

I wish Mr. Bogdanovich would make westerns. At least one a year from now until .... His development of Lonesome Dove in the 1970s, before it became a novel, is probably a large part of its success. And of course he made the greatest of all contemporary westerns in The Last Picture Show.

I found an old book, one of the earliest published "westerns" (no, not The Virginian), I'm going to send to his office.


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