Does anyone know when "Fort Apache" will be released on DVD?

Hi.

Just thought I would let you know that if
you go to this web site www.play.com you
type in the title Fort Apache under region 2
discs you will find it's available.

You will need a multi region D V D player if you live
in the states. Hope this of help to you. I have dealt
with the firm and their D V D's are of good quality.

Maurice.

Wales U K.

Thanks for the info. I wonder who I can write too to find out when this film (or any film) will be released in DVD form in the USA?

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I picked up an interesting book while in Brighton today called Tall in the Saddle.

In it was the enclosed (I hope) picture depicting (unless I am very wrong the Final stand just before the Apache charge wipes them all out)

If I am correct and I have looked at this photograph on many occasions, what is John Wayne doing there?


Regards

Arthur

ARTHUR; You are right, what is Duke doing there? But on the Set or on Location there is always a Still Photographer taking photos of everything to be used later for promo photos. On one film that I worked on the Still Photographer had a picture of one of the Main Actors doing what comes naturally behind a bush! It look like they might be setting up the shot for the Last Stand. Chilibill :cowboy:

I agree its probably for advertising reasons that Duke is there, and what better way to promote a movie than to have Duke in the picture used to promote it.

:agent:

Its been awhile since I have seen this movie, but, at one point doesn't Duke leave or come back to the "last stand". I might be wrong. Damn I wish they had this movie on DVD in the states!!

Hi SXViper

I'll have to watch it again, I thought that he challenges Henry Fonda to a duel and then gets sent to the rear to mind the stores and horses.

Regards

Arthur

There are two different photographs of that scene, taken by the still photographer from the same spot:

One is for publicity reasons with the Duke.
The other (very huge in the book THE WESTERN FILMS OF JOHN FORD) is just with Fonda.

Obviously made in a matter of minutes, because everybody else in the picture takes the same stand. So Wayne must have just stood in when they called him (the only time he actually uses his six-shooter in this movie - just for the still).

BTW, that still inspired the painting they used for the US One-Sheet and other ads (like the 2-page-ad in LIFE), showing Fonda fighting off the indian attack. The same painting was used in the background of THE WINGS OF EAGLES, in the "Ford's office"-sequence.

Hi Roland

I have the Western Films of John Ford by A Place andf ave just had a cursory look but couldn't see it. In the Entertainment years 1940 there is a large colour photograph but it only shows the centre portion of the sequence.

Regards

Arthur

I just got thru making another D.V.D. copy of Fort Apache for a friend off of a new V.H.S. tape by Warner Bros. Westerns and this is the way it shows the ending of the film.

Duke questions Col. Thursday played by Henry Fonda about the attack on the Apaches under the command of Cochise.Col. Thursday relieves Duke of his command, and Duke throws down one of his gloves in front of Col. Thursday's horse. Thursday sends Duke back to the rear with the wagons.

Cochise leads Thursday into a trap in a blind canyon with the bugler sounding Charge, and Thursday is shot off of his horse

While Cochise is wiping out most of the horse soldiers Duke is in the rear with the supply wagons.Thursday is laying on the ground, and Duke rides back into the canyon to see if he can help Thursday. Duke helps him onto his horse and Thursday orders Duke to give him his saber.

Duke goes back to the supply wagon. All of the men and Col. Thursday are wiped out. Duke never rode back into the canyon at this time. Chilibill :cowboy:

Chilibill, Thats what I remembered. Duke riding back to help him on his horse. Now I remember.

Here's an Italian Photo story, showing the exact frames of that sequence, right now at Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3837299264&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=197&item=3837299264&rd=1)

Those photo stories are really great, they often used the real FRAMES from the print to tell the story, interwoven by stills.

And, again on Ebay, you'll find that the publicity still with John Wayne among the lost group in Fort Apache also inspired the foreign advertisments:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3836923221&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60349&item=3836923221&rd=1)

Arthur, you're right, that still with Fonda alone isn't in the book THE WESTERN FILMS OF JOHN FORD, I must remember it from another book, I'll have to check.

Hi Roland

What I find interesting is if you look at the picture in detail and study the men, a lot has been said about Ford, his lack of loyalty, who he liked and disliked, how if he was upset he wouldn't use him again.

In that picture there are four men who it could have been said at one time or another John Ford loved as a father does his son, and yet of these men when this picture was taken he had had a serious falling out with one and would fall out with and never use two more again.

The three were George O'Brien (Sam Collingwood) Standing at the back, next to him Pedro Armandariz Senior (Sgt Beaufort) standing next to him, and centre stage Henry Fonda (Owen Thursday).

In O'Brian's case I have previously posted how In the 20s O'Brien had featured in starring roles in a lot of Ford's pictures including starring in The Iron Horse. He was so fond of the actor that Ford left his wife at home and took O'Brien on a tour of the Pacific with him. For most of the tour Ford was drunk and after one binge was confined to bed for days. O'Brian left him for three weeks and travelled on alone. When he returned Ford said nothing and to all intents and purposes nothing had changed, but Ford never used him in a starring role again, and I think am right in saying that it was the first time they had been on the same picture since Salute almost twenty years earlier.

In Armandariz case it is said that Ford was very fond of him, and in his next picture 3 Godfathers. When selecting costumes Armandariz as a Mexican bandit turned up in a costume of black and silver looking like the Cisco Kid, Ford rummaged around in a pile of old costumes and gave him a tattered coat a battered sombrero and almost a mule to ride. Armandariz had no option but to wear it. Ford never cast him in a picture again.

And the third man Fonda, who lets not forget while Wayne was serving his own penance had been used extensively by Ford in the late 30s and 40s, would fall out with Ford during the making of Mr Roberts when Ford, after Fonda had complained
about Fords treatment of the picture, actually knocked the actor to the floor. I think they hardly spoke after, and only appeared together later on television On The American West of John Ford.

All that was needed was for Ben Johnson to be in the picture and he would have had a nap hand.


Regards

Arthur

Hi Author

Why did Ford fall out with Armandariz?

Regarding Dukes image being used to promote Fort Apache was he a big enough draw at that stage to substantiate it being used?

:agent:

Hi Robbie

Thanks for the good wishes.

Ford fell out with Armadaraiz over the costume incident in three Godfathers, not so much over the choice of costtumes but that Ford's judgement had been challenged.

It was the same with Harry Carey jnr and Howard Hawks on the set of Rio Bravo, a wrong gesture, a mischoosen word, it was enough to damage you.

As to whether Wayne's reputatiopn was enough to be used as a draw, its an interesting question, and I am not sure of the answer. But don't forget that the next year he was nominated for A Best Actor Academy Award for Sands of Iwo Jima and in 1950 was voted top of the Herald poll.

I have a copy on disc of a 1950 interview that John Wayne did with Heda Hopper when he received his Herald scroll. If I find my little tape machine I will copy it onto the board.

In it he wonders if he is popular enough to receive an award and wonders why because all of his most popular pictures were either too early or too late to be included in the 1950 poll.


Regards

Arthur

Hey Arthur, count in PAUL FIX. He walked away from Ford's Fort Apache set. Ford shouted after him, he would never work for him if he left. And Fix said, OK, so he would not. And he never did.

I'm not so sure about Armendariz, though. I know the incident you mean, from Harry Carey's book, but don't you think Ford was still rather fond of him? The incident was described as having been very funny for everybody - only for Pedro, of course. But then, Ford was the best in picking Western wardrobe (compare him with Hawks' talent for western costume, for instance - Ford rules!). The costumes for 3 GODFATHERS were handpicked by him. And the Pedro costume really FITS the character. I think there just wasn't any good role for a Mexican character actors in Ford's future films. Surely he would have looked out of place in Ireland!

Oh yes, I found the picture again, in another book, the one with the same perspective WITHOUT Wayne in Thursday's last stand. Give it a try and try to scan it soon.

Better I ask right know: Anybody can tell me how to get a picture from my scan up on this board?

Hi Roland

If I remember Ford also had a set to with Paul Fix on the set of She Wore a Yellow Ribbon when he thought that Fix was privately coaching John Wayne and as a punishment when his is being shoved out of the wagon he made him land on sharp pointed stones in bare feet. and that added to the rift.


This is from the worlds worst computer operator in the world but with mine

You scan the picture
click twice on the scanned picture bring up file
click save to
My Documents
My Pictures

When you want to add it to the post
click on browse
bring up the picture you want to scan
Resize it down to a transferrable size
press open
click on add to attachment
click on add to post

And Bobs your uncle (fingers crossed I hope)

Regards

Arthur

Hi Roland,

You could be right but don't forget after Fort Apache came She Wore A Yellow Ribbon probably not a place for him their either, but Rio Grande a mexican in a New Mexico location fighting Apaches - I think a little stretch of the imagination might have found something.

The Searchers possibly Fetterman's role, reasoning that he had only just made a picture with Wayne as his brother in 'The Conqueror'

At the time of The Horse Soldiers he wasn't yet past his sell by date, although coming up to it. It might have made a great last hurrah.


Regards

Arthur

I know, I could ask a 4-year-old of today, but I'll be damned if I can get that scan-picture up here myself.

click on add to attachment
click on add to post

To follow Arthur's instructions, where on this board is the tool? In short: HEELP!

itdo,

When you hit Add reply it goes to the next screen where you will type in your post. Down at the bottom of your reply screen, there is a category, Attachments, and to the right, a button that says Browse . . . . (The categories, in order from top to bottom, are Code Buttons; Enter your Post with the subheadings Post Options and Post Icons; and File Attachments, with the subheading of Attachments).

You should click on the Browse . . . button, and a new dialog box will pop up, where you have the opportunity to tell it where on your computer the item is that you want to attach. After you have indicated the location on your computer, click on the Open button at the bottom of the dialog box. Then you will be back to the Replying to . . . box. Now you click on the Add This Attachment button. Depending on the speed of your connection (and the size of the attachment), it could take a little while. You will see a little notation in your post [attachmentid] with a number in it as well. When you actually add your reply, you should see the attachment in your post.

If you are like me, it will be helpful to print out this post so you can read it while you are doing it.

I hope this helps.

Mrs. C :angel1:

Hi
These are the pictures Roland was talking about




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Regards

Arthur/ITDO

Arthur,

I can't speak for anyone else's experience, but when I clicked on each of the pictures, all that came up was a very tiny something. It was rectangular, like a picture, but so tiny I couldn't really see anything.

Anybody else have the same thing happen?

Mrs. C :angel1:

Arthur; All I get is a small box in the upper left hand of the screen that said "FORT APACHE PAINT" Bill :cowboy:

hi arthur

when i pull them up i get like mrs c a small photto and when i zoom in its is so blurred that you can't make out what it is suppose to be other than it's a black and white with two bodies in it around what looks like a flag pole

cheers smokey

Hi all

What happened was that Roland e mailed them to me because he was having trouble but they were so big that I had to reduce them in size and everytime I reduced them a sign kept coming up saying that they were still too big for the post and they had to be reduced. So I kept reducing them to the point that when they were finally accepted, they were too small to be seen.

What I can't understand is that the original Fort Apach picture was no problem, and it is only yesterday that it was impossible to do.

I wanted to put a picture of John Wayne and Dean Smith together from the Alamo on the rodeo post but the same thing happened, being un successful I tried to re blow up the picture all I got of my original was a blurred mess.

I'm not sure what I,m doing wrog but it must be something.

Sorry about that


Regards
and Apologies

Arthur

Originally posted by arthurarnell@Sep 11 2004, 10:18 AM
Hi all

What happened was that Roland e mailed them to me because he was having trouble but they were so big that I had to reduce them in size and everytime I reduced them a sign kept coming up saying that they were still too big for the post and they had to be reduced. So I kept reducing them to the point that when they were finally accepted, they were too small to be seen.

What I can't understand is that the original Fort Apach picture was no problem, and it is only yesterday that it was impossible to do.

I wanted to put a picture of John Wayne and Dean Smith together from the Alamo on the rodeo post but the same thing happened, being un successful I tried to re blow up the picture all I got of my original was a blurred mess.

I'm not sure what I,m doing wrog but it must be something.

Sorry about that


Regards
and Apologies

Arthur
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I think maybe you should try to save them as .jpg instead of .bmp files Arthur. If you open one of the origial pictures in paint or any picture editor and choose save as from the file menu and change the type to .jpg they vil be much smaller in size (the files that is, not the pictures).

Regards
Popol Vuh

Well, welcome to the club and thanx for your trouble, Arthur! :P
Anyway, Thursday WAS running a very SMALL group at the Little Big Horn...

I frequent various movie sites but I have yet to see anything about Fort Apache coming to dvd--unfortunately. :cowboy: If it does, I will be the first to do a rain dance and will definately buy it.

TRK.

TRK,

The release of Fort Apache is released or will be released on DVD in Europe. It has not been announced in the States as of yet. Not sure why since the trilogy has two of the three released. You figure!

Cheers B)

Hi Hondo

It seems strange as I bought Rio Grande, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon and Fort Apache at least a couple of years ago. It was one of the first DVDs that I bought (not that I have bought a lot)


Regards
Arthur

of the three i am waiting only for she wore a yellow ribbon to come down under on dvd have the other two have had them for about 10 months now don't know why you lot over there missed out

cheers smokey