THE TRAIN ROBBERS

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PRODUCED BY MICHAEL WAYNE
WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY BURT KENNEDY
MUSIC BY DOMINAC FRONTIERE
A BATJAC PRODUCTION

INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary

A gunhand named Lane is hired by a widow, Mrs. Lowe, to find gold stolen by her husband so that she may return it and start fresh.

Full Cast

John Wayne .... Lane
Ann-Margret .... Mrs. Lowe
Rod Taylor .... Grady
Ben Johnson .... Jesse
Christopher George .... Calhoun
Bobby Vinton .... Ben Young
Jerry Gatlin .... Sam Turner
Ricardo Montalban .... The Pinkerton man

Cinematography by
William H. Clothier (director of photography)

Stunts

Cliff Lyons .... stunt coordinator
Denny Arnold .... stunts (uncredited)
Jim Burk .... stunts (uncredited)
Louie Elias .... stunts (uncredited)
Glory Fioramonti .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Terry Leonard .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)

'Chema' Hernandez .... head wrangler (uncredited)

Filming Location

Durango, Mexico

Trivia

* John Wayne's and Ann-Margret's character names, "Lane" and "Mrs. Lowe," are the same as Wayne's and Geraldine Page's characters' names in Hondo (1953).

Hi,
Not a bad film, but not a great film.
Probably one of Duke's weakest, late films.
They at least had got the point and moved him on
from having young, love interests.
Ann-Margaret, was really just window dressing,
but Chuck Hayward and Duke sorted out her fear of horses.
but Ben, and Rod Taylor acquitted themselves well.
However I thought the film, anything but mediocre.
Rating 6/10

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Memorable Quotes

Calhoun: Someone said this gold was already dug.
Lane: Keep digging.

[First scene -- Lane has summoned his gun-toting friends to a rendezvous]
Grady: Alright, what's it all about, Jess?
Jesse: Beats me. All Lane said was meet him here at the train stop. It'd be worth it.
Calhoun: To him or us?
Grady: Oh, what difference does it make? It's something to do, isn't it?

[last lines]
Grady: Where you goin'?
Lane: Where the hell do you suppose? To rob a train!
Jesse: Rob a train?
Grady: It's something to do!

The Pinkerton man: Her name is Lilly, with two "L's." Matt Lowe was never married. Better luck next time!
Jesse: Lilly.
Grady: With two "L's."
Jesse: One of 'um must stand for "liar."

INORMATION IMDb

Its what Pilar would have called a Batjac family movie. It is not a classic but not bad. Worth an occasional viewing as with Cahill Hondo and Mc Lintock are part of a set that dont seem to get the same exposure as others.


Mike

Hi Mike,
Why family movie? Because it is Batjac prodaction? I'm not quite understand.
regards,
Senta

Hi Senta

Pilar Wayne's description of a lot of the westerns made by John Wayne in the 1960s and 70s was as Family movies. This was because many of the cast /technical crew/ support staff had acted in previous JW films. They also tended to be shot in and around Durango. To a lesser extent the storylines in some of the movies were repeated. Pilar would have beeen aware of this as she was on location with children for some of these shoots.

Also, because Batjac company was a small company they tend to recruit tried and test staff who they knew could perform and were within their costings.

On screening JW movies at his home cinema a game played by Wayne family was to identify how many familar faces/names they could see in films and credits.


Mike

Hi Mike,
Thank you for the comment. I like Train Robbers. For a pity I have it on VHS, that was released here, but the copy is not bad. The bad thing is that in russian translation.
Regards,
Senta

Hi

Rod Taylor must have made quite an impression on Duke because shortly before John Wayne's death Taylor spent a lot of time talking with him.

Regards

Arthur

I would agree, not one of the better of the Duke's movies, but worthy of being in a collection of JW movies.

Deep Discount DVD ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) offers the movie individually as well as paired with Tall in the Saddle as a "double feature" in additon to being part of the boxed set John Wayne Legendary Heroes Collection. It seems there are no posters that go with this film.

Amazon ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) offers it the same three ways as Deep Discount, for a little more $$$.

Chester :newyear:

Hi all,
Being in Finland I purchased it on DVD for the 2 zone. I think that the contents are the same as in the part of Legendary heroes collection that I haven't. I like all features and the widescreen DVD, it is very good quality.
Regards,
Senta

An enjoyable film (again, not a great film). One of my favorite parts of the film is when Rod Taylor and Ben Johnson are waiting for the bad guys to make their move, and start talking about old times. The scene goes on for an extended time, and when it's over, I found myself wishing it could have gone on even longer. I also enjoyed the scene where Christopher George's horse gets stuck under a tree. After he pleads to his friends to try and save it (and once they do), he has a new-found respect for Duke. One the minus side, it would have been nice to know a little something about the bad guys who were following them for the length of the movie. Basically, they were just a faceless mob, who was really just there to get shot down by Wayne and company.

Still, I find myself enjoying this one more and more, on repeated viewings. My rating...7/10

The Train Robbers (Burt Kennedy, 1973) is mildly entertaining and lightly enjoyable, and I certainly prefer it to Rooster Cogburn (Stuart Millar, 1975). However, it's also slight and simplistic, and it needed a richer writer-director than Burt Kennedy to bring out greater depths and darkness, the kind of intricacy and tension that could have made the film something more than disposable entertainment. I didn't feel that Kennedy set up the bizarre, comically ambiguous "twist' ending with appropriate development, either. On the brighter side, Wayne's performance is quite sharp and fluid, really marking an alert groove. I love the silent rage the he suddenly displays at the end of Ann-Margaret's drunken diatribe.

I thought this was a rather enjoyable film, not the greatest thing ever made, but a good way to spend an hour and a half.

My favourite line was when the Duke tells Ann-Margret that he has saddles older than her. If that isn't a great, truthful line, then I don't know what is.

Originally posted by dc65@Sep 14 2006, 09:45 AM
My favourite line was when the Duke tells Ann-Margret* that he has saddles older than her. If that isn't a great, truthful line, then I don't know what is.
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Yeah, at least is displays some refreshing honesty about Hollywood's age conventions.

This is one of John Waynes most forgotten movies, upon doing a search relating to this film I was surprised to realise how highly it is regarded by many who have watched it. Below is an interesting review by Roger Egbert which he did in 1973, his observation relating to the colour used in the movie is very interesting.

Burt Kennedy's "The Train Robbers" is a very curious Western, and it gets curiouser the more you think about it. I wonder if there's ever been a Western as visually uncluttered as this one. Most of the action takes place in the high desert around Durango, Mexico, and Kennedy goes for clean blue skies, sculpted white sand dunes and human figures arranged against the landscape in compositions so tasteful we're reminded of samurai dramas.
Aw, come on, you're probably thinking by now: What's all this crap about visual compositions? It's a John Wayne Western, isn't it? Is it any good, or not? Well, yes, it's fairly good, In a quiet and workmanlike sort of way, although there's a plot twist at the end that ruins things unnecessarily. But what's best about it, what makes it worth seeing, is Kennedy's visual approach to the subject of John Wayne. Wayne by now is an artifact, a national heirloom, one of the few immutable presences created by the movies. He is perhaps the only Western actor alive (maybe the only one ever) who can get away with scenes like this one: His group has been riding through the desert all day, pursued by a mysterious band of gunmen. They pull up at a small hacienda. Will they spend the night there? No, because Wayne hears a baby crying. There is likely to be shooting later on, and Wayne asks Ben Johnson: "Did you ever bury a baby? Well, neither did I, and I'm not about to start now. Ride on." They ride on into the night. Now this is honorable dialog; we agree with him; we're glad Wayne doesn't want to endanger the baby. And because it is John Wayne playing this scene, we never pause to realize that such a scene, and such dialog, would be ridiculously impossible in any other context. The audience would be howling if Steve McQueen or Paul Newman - or Robert Mitchum - tried the dialog.
Only Wayne can make plausible the morality in his Westerns. In the new Westerns, the ones by Sam Peckinpah, Sergio Leone and their imitators, the West is a place of anarchy, sadism and routine bloodshed. It almost has to be. Apart from Wayne, there are no actors left who can get away with being decent Western heroes. Am I making this up? Think for a moment.
So. The Wayne character in "The Train Robbers" agrees to help a widow (Ann-Margret) recover some gold her husband had stolen some years before. She wants to return the gold to the railroad it was stolen from, to clear her husband's name and allow her young son to grow up proud. This seems like a sensible plan to Wayne, and he raises a band of friends (Ben Johnson, Rod Taylor, and two younger guns) to help the widow. Their payment will be the $50,000 reward money - although at the movie's end, they forgo even this.
There is a lot of action in the movie - blazing gun battles and stuff like that - but the movie's core is in the campfire scenes, when the characters talk about each other and their beliefs. The Wayne character, not to our surprise, turns out to be heroic in war and noble in peacetime, a subscriber to old moral codes. And it is here that Burt Kennedy's visual strategy comes in.
His material (he also wrote the movie) is, in the context of a Western being released in 1973, a little old-fashioned. The moral drives of Western heroes were fashionable in the 1950s, especially in the movies where John Ford directed Wayne. But no longer. In 1973, any plot exposition at all in a Western seems to drag.
So Kennedy wisely decided to eliminate absolutely every trace of visual clutter, and to shoot his movie with almost abstract clarity. The "town" at the beginning of the movie, for example, consists of two stark structures, a railroad track and a mountain on the horizon. There is not even a railroad crossing sign. Once out of town, the characters inhabit a landscape of horizons and clean natural lines. Kennedy goes for silhouettes and, as I've mentioned, for the kind of carefully casual arrangements of figures we find in samurai films - the Japanese Western.
The result is a movie that isolates the John Wayne mystique and surrounds it with the necessary simplicity and directness. It's too bad that the scale of the plot is a little too small for the scale of the characters, and too bad that Kennedy got in an ironic mood at the end. But he understands John Wayne, all right.

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A rare photo!

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Hi Keith

I hate to keep doing this but the picture you have attached relates to 'Chisum' and not 'The Train Robbers'.

I hope you don't think I am trying to undermine you as that is certainly not my aim.

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Not at all Robbie,
I relly don't know what's going on!

Not at all Robbie,
I really don't know what's going on!

I like the fact the bad guys are unknown through out...left us in the same boat as the Duke...the bad guys were just coming..that's all you knew. GSP

I wish I could remember seeing these posters hanging in the theater, but I wasn't as much of a John Wayne fan then as I am now -

Chester :newyear:

I'm impressed with the standard of artwork, in those days,
considering there were few if no computers!

Keith,

Thank you. This is one that Les Adams, from Abilene, Texas shared with us.

Chester :newyear:

I enjoy this film though while nowhere near his best, it ranks high up there with his most entertaining. I watched this last night and one scene in particular caught my attention and held a lot of meaning for me, the one where he's talking to Ben...

(Paraphrased obviously)
Ben: I Hope I don't let you down

Wayne: You planning to rob another bank?

Ben: I was thinking I oughta take my horse and get out of here

Wayne: Why didn't you?

Ben: because you'd come after me.

Wayne: Wrong. Ben I hate to break it to ya, but you're a man now and you'll find yourself standing your ground when you oughta runaway, you'll open your mouth when it should be kept closed and you'll find yourself doing what you think is right when others say you're wrong.

and for how it actually played out
Wayne: "I hate to Tell you this, but whether you like it or not... you're a man and you're stuck with it. You'll find yourself standing your ground, and fighting when you oughta run... speaking out when you oughta keep your mouth shut... doing things that will seem wrong to a lot of people.. but you'll do them all the same."

So close >_<

Anyway I have that sound clip should some one want it.

Hello all,

I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I'm looking for a quote from the movie The Train Robbers.
It is the scene where Ben Johnson and Ann Margart are speaking about the Duke's character, and they are discussing his friendship with the Duke. They talk about walking up a lot of hills with him...

Can someone post the conversation or let me know if there is a place I can check it online???

I will see what I can do.

25 minutes into the movie Ben Johnson(Jessie) and Ann-Margret(Ms Lowe) are sitting around the fire talking about how they all met during he Civil War and there was a situation where 100 men where ordered up a hill at Vicksburg and how only 3 made it to the top, Duke(Lane), Rod Taylor(Grady) and Jessie and then how they have been going up hills with each other ever since. Also just a bit later on you find out the Lane was married but his wife died a year later and they all went up the "hill" with Lane as well.

I'll get it off the film if you can give me a few minutes.
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Thank you Dakota for filling in, I couldn't find the the time today.

Thanks to all you guys.. I appreciate it!

Thank you Dakota for filling in, I couldn't find the the time today.

For filling in? It took all of 10 min.

Yeah but I had only a few minutes to spare... it was chaos here. Minute I sat down another problem or job popped up.

I like this film, although as others have said it certainly isn't one of Duke's best. I think they should have cut some of the scenes where they were just riding their horses with nothing being said. Ben Johnson was great as always.

7/10.

Here's an example of the book of the movie. This copy has seen better days, but being a Duke movie novelization....it was well read. Enjoy!

Mark

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It's one of the Movies I liked as Child (also because of Ann-Marget) but nowadays I only can wonder. It's nice to see Ben Johnson and Rod Taylor as Duke's Buddies. Never cared who the other two were. Ann-Marget looks fantastic (clean and washed without any dirt) the whole movie and I don't know how this is possible with all the dust and the desert scenes. The role of Ricardo Montalban is more like a cameo. The shootout in the desert is one of the worst I've ever seen. Not to forget the silly scene with the mule. Interesting for me I always can remember the twist at the end. It's makes the movie more fun but in a way Duke and his friends are looking like a bunch of old losers who were stupid enough to help a beautiful young woman who betrayed them.

I agree with one of the posts above that Duke's line about the baby is one of the best of the movie. The photography of the landscapes are great no doubt about it but I expected to see more remarkable Scenes with Duke. A mediocre Movie and one of them I wished John Wayne hadn't done.:wink: