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ethanedwards
January 27th, 2006, 05:12 AM
RIO LOBO

PRODUCED AND DIRECTED BY HOWARD HAWKS
MUSIC BY JERRY GOLDSMITH
NATIONAL GENERAL PICTURES/CINEMA CENTER

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INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary
Col. Cord McNally an ex union officer teams up with a couple of ex Johnny Rebs
to search for the traitor who sold information to the South during the Civil War.
Their quest brings them to the town of Rio Lobo,where they help recover this little Texas town
from ruthless outlaws who are led by the traitor they were looking for.
Summary written by Christopher D. Ryan

Full Cast
John Wayne .... Col. Cord McNally
Jorge Rivero .... Capt. Pierre Cordona aka Frenchy
Jennifer O'Neill .... Shasta Delaney
Jack Elam .... Phillips
Christopher Mitchum .... Sgt. Tuscarora Phillips
Victor French .... Ketcham (boss of Rio Lobo)
Susana Dosamantes .... Maria Carmen (Tuscarora's girlfriend)
Sherry Lansing .... Amelita
David Huddleston .... Dr. Ivor Jones (Rio Lobo dentist)
Mike Henry .... Rio Lobo Sheriff 'Blue Tom' Hendricks
Bill Williams .... Blackthorne Sheriff Pat Cronin
Jim Davis .... Rio Lobo Deputy
Dean Smith .... L/Cpl. Bide
Robert Donner .... Whitey Carter (Rio Lobo deputy)
George Plimpton .... Gunman #4
Edward Faulkner .... Lt. Harris
Peter Jason .... Lt. Forsythe (gold train detail officer)
Chuck Courtney .... Chuck
Robert Rothwell .... Gunman #3
Don 'Red' Barry .... Feeny (bartender of saloon outside POW camp) (uncredited)
Harold Cops .... (uncredited)
Stanley Corson .... (uncredited)
Sondra Currie .... (uncredited)
Josť Espinosa .... (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... (uncredited)
Lance Hool .... Picket (uncredited)
Frank Kennedy .... (uncredited)
Charlie Longfoot .... (uncredited)
John McKee .... (uncredited)
Boyd 'Red' Morgan .... Train engineer (uncredited)
Gregg Palmer .... Pete (henchman) (uncredited)
Jim Preiean .... (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... Corporal in baggage car (uncredited)
Danny Sands .... (uncredited)
Anthony Sparrow Hawk .... (uncredited)
Bob Steele .... Rio Lobo deputy (uncredited)
Tommy Tedesco .... Guitar player (opening credits) (uncredited)
Ethan Wayne .... (uncredited)
Hank Worden .... Hank (hotel clerk) (uncredited)

Writing Credits
Leigh Brackett
Burton Wohl also story

Cinematography
William H. Clothier

Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Yakima Canutt .... second unit director
Mike Moder .... assistant director

Stunts
Joe Canutt .... stunts (uncredited)
Tap Canutt .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Courtney .... stunts (uncredited)
Jerry Gatlin .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Ace Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Terry Leonard .... stunts (uncredited)
John McKee .... stunts (uncredited)
Boyd 'Red' Morgan .... stunts (uncredited)
Hal Needham .... stunts (uncredited)
Rudy Robbins .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
Danny Sands .... stunts (uncredited)
Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
Neil Summers .... stunts (uncredited)
Jack Williams .... stunts (uncredited)
Rodd Wolff .... stunts (uncredited)

Trivia
Writer and reporter George Plimpton was cast in a minor role in this film (4th Gunman) while collecting research on the film industry.

Howard Hawks's final film.

Howard Hawks later said, "I didn't think it was any good." He also blamed the film's poor critical and commercial performance on John Wayne, saying that at 63 the star was now too old to carry a movie.

Robert Mitchum declined an offer from Howard Hawks to reprise his El Dorado (1966) role in this film. He told Hawks the script was "an even bigger piece of crap than 'El Dorado'."

When John Wayne visits Bill Williams in the sheriff's office, there is a wanted poster on the wall for Hondo Lane, the character Wayne played in Hondo (1953).

John Wayne was seriously ill during filming, and had great difficulty getting on and off his horse.

Jack Elam, playing the "Old Man", was more than a decade younger than John Wayne.

During a break in filming John Wayne collected his Best Actor Oscar for True Grit (1969) from Barbra Streisand at The 42nd Annual Academy Awards (1970) (TV). When he returned, every member of the cast was wearing an eye patch - including his horse!

Film debut of Peter Jason.

Goofs
* Anachronisms: In the railroad track greasing scene, some of the Confederate cavalrymen are wearing bandoleers containing post Civil War metallic cartridges.

* Errors in geography: Many scenes that take place "in Texas" have saguaro cacti in them. Saguaros only grow in parts of Arizona and Mexico; they don't grow in Texas.

* Continuity: When Col. McNally, Capt. Pierre Cordona, and Shasta Delaney awake in their camp at the burial site, it is morning, but the lack of shadows would indicate a time closer to midday.

* Continuity: In the saloon, the cork in whiskey bottle disappears and reappears between shots.

* Anachronisms: All of the major characters in the film are seen wearing/using Colt Single Action Army revolvers shortly after civil war ends (1865). The gun wasn't introduced until eight years later (1873).

* Audio/visual unsynchronized: When McNally and his companions arrive at Phillips's farm, Phillips walks to the window saying a phrase without moves his lips.

* Continuity: When McNally, Cardona and Shasta knock on Maria Carmen's door, she rushes to put on a shawl which barely covers her. But, when the door opens and the shot is from outside, the shawl completely covers her shoulders.

* Continuity: Shortly before the fast going captured train is stopped by ropes tightened across the rails there are a number of shots in which there is no one on the second wagon of the train. It is obvious from the foregoing shots that there should be about nine confederate soldiers on it - including Capt. Cordona.

* Continuity: When Cordona and Tuscarora are released from the POW camp, Col McNally buys them a drink. When he picks up the glasses from the bar, they are upside down in his hand, when he sets them down on the table they are right side up with his hand never having changed position.

* Audio/visual unsynchronized: During the final shootout, when Hendricks shoots Ketcham, McNally mouths some words right before he shoots at Hendricks, but there is no audio.

* Continuity: When McNally, Cardona and Shasta are in Cardona's room and Shasta is just waking up after fainting, she sits up and the covers fall down to her waist, then they show a distant scene and the covers are around her neck, then a close up scene and the covers are around her waist again.

* Continuity: When McNally is carrying Shasta, Cordona is leading the way to the stairs. When the camera angle changes, McNally is in front of Cordona.

* Continuity: When Mr. Phillips is showing Ketchum that he has the triggers tied back on his shotgun right after they capture him, the long shot shows Ketchum buckling his belt, when they go to a close up, his hands are gone and the belt is buckled. When the camera angle changes back to a longer shot, he is still buckling his belt.

* Anachronisms: Most of the repeating rifles being used are Winchester model 94's, introduced many years after the time that the movie is set.

* Revealing mistakes: Leaving Ketchum's home, a body double is used for John Wayne. There seems to be no reason for it as it is a benign scene requiring very little physical exertion.

* Continuity: During the fight inside the house, a lamp breaks and Ketcham's pants catches fire. When he leaves the house there are no scorch marks on Ketcham's pant legs.

Memorable Quotes (http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0066301/quotes?ref_=tt_trv_qu)

Filming Locations
Cuernavaca, Morelos, Mexico
Old Tucson - Tucson, Arizona

Watch this Clip

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Previous discussion:-
Rio Lobo (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1098)

ethanedwards
January 27th, 2006, 05:19 AM
Rio Lobo was the last film directed by Howard Hawks, from a script by Leigh Brackett.
The film was shot in Technicolor with a running time of 114 minutes.
The musical score was composed by Jerry Goldsmith and the movie was filmed
at Cuernavaca in the Mexican state of Morelos and at Tucson, Arizona.

It was the third film in a trilogy directed by Hawks varying the idea of a sheriff
defending his office against belligerent outlaw elements in the town:
the other two films were Rio Bravo (1959) and El Dorado (1966)

Part 3 of the Howard Hawks, trilogy, although I thought this was quite different from the other two!
Whilst I thought Rio Bravo, and El Dorado, followed a very similar patterm, I felt this one didn't.
Ok, there were, similarities, but I don't know, it just was.well....different!!
Duke was great cast as the Colonel, but some of the others, in comparison, were weak.
Mexican, Jorge Rivero, a good looking, former Olympic swimmer, was pretty inept in his part.

Hawks said:-

In order to do anything, he had to think in Spanish, and then transfer his lines,
mentally, into English....He was really too slow, and didn't have any authority at all

Jennifer O'Neil, just seemed swamped by Duke!
However, with great character actors like Jack Elam, Hank Worden
and other Duke's friends, the picture is better with their presence.

An enjoyable movie.

User Review

Much maligned, better than you're told
20 June 2004 | by (maxbrand) (NY, NY)

OK, put down the film criticism texts and just watch this fun movie for what it is. Feels like a TV movie, but several cuts above one. The opening train robbery sequence is pretty damn breathtaking for a "bad" movie. Bet some action directors have studied that one. "Lobo" is collection of a lot of good Hawks-ian moments recycled, sort of like a retrospective of his bag of tricks ie. "Yer necks broken," etc. The Duke aging, beat up, but still The Duke. Sherry Lansing pretty hot looking in her one role. Jack Elam the scene stealer. Too bad they didn't have the money to cast the other parts better--Mitchum or Martin would have helped a lot. Duke looks a little lonely. Plot sorta strung together, but Hawks was concentrating more on characters in his Bravo/Dorado/Lobo "trilogy." "Smart" dialog, while not up to 30s & 40s banter, still has clever moments by today's standards. Clever rifle bit at the end shows old timers' practical knowledge of things, like weapons. If you like old westerns, you'll like this one. Not among his greatest, but low end Hawks is better than no Hawks. I've seen much thinner stuff win awards

Senta
January 27th, 2006, 12:36 PM
Hi keith,
i agree with you: enjoyable movie, but not as good as other Hawks.
Regards,
Senta

arthurarnell
January 27th, 2006, 12:46 PM
Hi

In an earlier post when talking about this film I commented that in the scene where Ketchum is set on fire he shows no signs of being burnt. After lwatching the film last Saturday you see him doing up his belt on a new pair of pants. So he was allowed to change.

Regards

Arthur

WaynamoJim
January 27th, 2006, 03:42 PM
The movie was somewhat enjoyable and it was Jack Elam that made it so. I thought that there was no chemistry at all between O'Neill and Rivero. Just two pretty faces who couldn't act. Film was noteworthy for the fact that writer George Plimpton had a cameo as a Ketchum gunman who gets his in the first half of the movie. In fact, some years ago, Plimpton did some tv specials about some of the jobs he did over the years to see hwat they were like. And one was about his time on this movie and I remember it was interesting to watch. At one time, Wayne called him Pimpleton. Anybody know just how many movies Mike Henry did with Wayne? I know he did this and The Green Berets but, I can't remember any others. I always like his style. He made a good villain and he did a good role in the original Longest Yard. Also, Sheree Lansing, who played Amelita, went on to run one of the big studios for a short while. I think it was 20th Century Fox.

ethanedwards
January 27th, 2006, 04:11 PM
Hi WaynamoJim,
Those two films were the only ones Mike Henry did with the Duke.
I agree about the documentary with George Plympton, and it's very funny.
For those who haven't seen it, George a journalist, is taught a line, in the film,
which he labours over, only for Hawks to change it at the last minute.
Duke shows him how to walk, and talk, and hold a rifle.
Good stuff, and a great doc!!

ethanedwards
February 5th, 2006, 03:11 PM
Hi,
I have been researching all the threads, back to the start of the JWMB,
looking for previous discussion, relating to this movie.
I have found the following, comments, and have copied them here,
so that they are now under one forum:-

If you are interested, please click on the link:-

Rio Lobo, Noticed Points (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1797)

Rio Lobo, Not bad, but should have been better (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1421)

Rio Bravo, El Dorado, Rio Lobo,the Similarities (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=2100&hl=)

chester7777
February 5th, 2006, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by WaynamoJim@Jan 27 2006, 12:42 PM
The movie was somewhat enjoyable and it was Jack Elam that made it so. I thought that there was no chemistry at all between O'Neill and Rivero. Just two pretty faces who couldn't act.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I really enjoy Jack Elam (saw him recently in Support Your Local Gunfighter and Support Your Local Sheriff). The Mrs. dislikes this film specifically because of the women in it - she says they are "annoying."

Deep Discount DVD (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=rio+lobo&search.x=71&search.y=14) has the movie and two posters.

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=br_ss_hs/103-2966141-4147854?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Ddvd%26dispatch%3Dsearch%26results-process%3Dbin&field-keywords=rio+lobo&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go) has the film in the new John Wayne Collection series, as well as an older version.

Chester :newyear:

falc04
March 14th, 2006, 07:05 AM
I agree that while this film is enjoyable, it is not a great film. As someone else stated, O'Neill and Rivero were just not good actors. To me, the best part of the story is the opening train wreck. Once the Civil war ends, the films turns more formulatic (good guy hunting down bad guy, who just happens to own all the townsfolk water rights).

The DVD quality of this film is outstanding, but there is one very annoying and distracting trait on it. Whenever a male is walking, there is a LOUD sound of his spurs accompying him. Sometimes it's so loud, it is actually hard to hear the dialog. Hawks should have realised this during the mixing process, but seeing as it was his last film, perhaps he either (1) didn't care, or (2) just didn't notice. Whatever the case, it certainly hampens the enjoyment of it.

I'd give it 7/10 rating

etsija
March 14th, 2006, 07:55 AM
I like Hawks' joking about Duke, like in Rio Bravo he has a girl, in El Dorado he "knows a girl" and in Rio Lobo he's "comfortable". And that scene at the dentist, (from memory) "I wouldn't need to hurt you, if you could act". :P
The film has a warm feeling in it, Howard and Duke are both comfortable, it doesn't take much effort from them to make a small movie like this, and the same time it's nostalgic, they are not coming any younger. As Hawks put it "Duke was not that big cat anymore"

ejgreen77
March 14th, 2006, 01:30 PM
Well if you go here (http://www.tv-now.com/intervus/oneill/index.html) there is an interview with Jennifer O'Neil. She had some nice things to say about working with Duke.

Robbie
March 14th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by etsija@Mar 14 2006, 01:55 PM
I like Hawks' joking about Duke, like in Rio Bravo he has a girl, in El Dorado he "knows a girl" and in Rio Lobo he's "comfortable". And that scene at the dentist, (from memory) "I wouldn't need to hurt you, if you could act".* :P
The film has a warm feeling in it, Howard and Duke are both comfortable, it doesn't take much effort from them to make a small movie like this, and the same time it's nostalgic, they are not coming any younger. As Hawks put it "Duke was not that big cat anymore"

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John Wayne wasnt a big cat anymore, I couldn't agree less as he had just won the Academy award and his stature was only getting bigger.

That was a good interview with O'neill although I was disappointed that she didnt consider duke a 'great actor'.

I always thought that the scene at the Dentist was improvised about Duke not being a good enough actor on account that he had just won the oscar. Does anyone have that great picture from the set of Rio Lobo showing the entire cast along with Dukes horse wearing eyepatches.

:agent:

etsija
March 15th, 2006, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by Robbie@Mar 14 2006, 07:55 PM
John Wayne wasnt a big cat anymore, I couldn't agree less as he had just won the Academy award and his stature was only getting bigger.

Well, Hawks was referring to the way he moved, or used to move, very agile and even graceful for a big man, like a panther or other big cat

Robbie
January 7th, 2007, 01:03 PM
I was disappointed that Hawks blamed the failure of this movie almost exclusively on John Wayne. Claiming he was too old to make movies, needed a big co-star like Mitchum to help carry the movie and questioned whether Duke was worth his one million dollars per picture fee.

Hawks should have remembered that only before this movie in True Grit and after it in Big Jake and the Cowboys, Duke was able to carry the movie himself and these movies were superior in quality etc compared to Rio Lobo. I feel Hawks has to take much of the blame for the failure of Rio Lobo.

:agent:

Robbie
January 16th, 2007, 10:28 AM
There has not been much talk about this movie on this board. I thought I'd post the following movie review that I found on the Internet.

Reviewed by David Williams (May 12, 2003)

By the time 1970’s Rio Lobo hit theaters (director Howard Hanks’s last feature and his fifth with John Wayne), Wayne’s persona was starting to become worn out and tired with many viewers and the Western genre was starting to fade into the silver screen background. However, I’m not one of the aforementioned “many viewers” and as I see it, no matter how many John Wayne movies you’ve seen or how many times he’s essentially played the same character over and over, there’s just something nostalgic about watching “The Duke” work. While Rio Lobo isn’t considered one of Wayne’s best – and more than likely considered middle-tier in mot circles – it’s still a treat and a pleasure to see one of the greatest American actors of all-time, John Wayne, do his thing in almost any film.

The film deals with the spectacular robbery of a Union Army “pay train” that is hijacked by a band of Confederate soldiers. When a protégé of Union Colonel Cord McNally (John Wayne) is killed in the daring robbery, McNally vows to capture the men responsible. However, McNally is the one who ends up getting captured. However, after spending some time with his captors, McNally learns to respect them as soldiers and he holds no ill will towards the Confederates – Pierre Cordona (Jorge Rivero) and Tuscarora Phillips (Christopher Mitchum). Although McNally comes to realize that the men were just doing their job as soldiers, he turns the tables on them and sets them up to be captured by the Union just as the Civil War happens to be winding down. As the War officially comes to an end, McNally approaches the duo of Cordona and Tuscarora, as he knows that they couldn’t have pulled off the job without some sort of insider information from someone in the ranks of the Union Army. McNally meets Cordona and Tuscarora over drinks and while they admit they paid off some Union soldiers to tell them about the shipment, they honestly can’t recall who they were. McNally tells them where he can be reached after the War in case they ever come across the treasonous soldier and the three part ways.

Fast forward a year or so later and McNally runs across one of his former soldiers now serving as a sheriff in Blackthorne, Texas. As the two are catching up with each other, a beautiful young woman, Shasta Delaney (Jennifer O’Neill), shows up and says she wants to report a murder in the neighboring town of Rio Lobo that was performed by a deputy in the town. The sheriff says that he cannot help the young lady, as Rio Lobo is out of his jurisdiction. Soon thereafter, four deputies from the town of Rio Lobo – including the one that supposedly performed the murder - show up in Blackthorne and attempt to take Miss Delaney back to Rio Lobo at gunpoint. This doesn’t sit too well with the sheriff - or McNally – and a shootout ensues that ends with the four deputies from Rio Lobo being shot dead and Cordona showing up out of the blue to help finish them off. The chain of events peaks McNally’s interests, as he seems to think that there’s more than meets the eye in Rio Lobo. McNally, as well as Cordona and Delaney head out to Rio Lobo to see what’s amiss.

When they arrive in Rio Lobo, they find the town literally held hostage by a sadistic sheriff named Hendricks (Mike Henry) and a wealthy landowner named Ketcham (Victor French). Ketcham showed up in Rio Lobo after the War ended and hired a bunch of outlaws and gunslingers to help protect his interests and in turn, started muscling in on the other landowners to force them to sell him their property as well. While in town, McNally and crew also hook back up with old friend Tuscarora Phillips and they meet his father (Jack Elam), who just so happens to be a rancher in Rio Lobo that has been threatened by Hendricks and Ketcham. While making a move on Ketcham for his current transgressions, McNally and the others learn that Ketcham also happens to be the Union soldier that they have been looking for who sold out his comrades and the Union “pay train” just a few months back.

With all that’s developed, a showdown is in order and it’s escalated by the fact that Ketcham is captured and held by McNally and his crew, Hendricks and his deputies have them surrounded, and Cordona is being held captive by Hendricks and his cronies. When the “exchange” of prisoners is set to take place, it erupts into a gunfight galore that ends in true John Wayne fashion.

Rio Lobo, while entertaining, is a stock Western that managed to generate some genuine action and excitement, as well as some wonderful tension between the “good guys” and the “bad guys”. To top it all off, the whole deal ends up being settled with an Old West style shootout. What more could you ask for?!? The film contained some good performances by all those involved and managed to remain entertaining after many years of having not seen it in any form or fashion.

:agent:

Lt. Brannigan
April 23rd, 2007, 02:44 PM
Hi,
Part 3 of the Howard Hawks, trilogy, although I thought this was quite different from the other two!
Whilst I thought RIO BRAVO, EL DORADO, followed a very similar patterm, I felt this one didn't.
Ok, there were, similarities, but I don't know, it just was.well....different!!
Duke was great cast as the Colonel, but some of the others, in comparison, were weak.
Mexican, Jorge Rivero, a good looking, former Olympic swimmer, was pretty inept in his part.

I just watched this film last night, and I can't agree more... Rivero was charming but he was just no match for the Duke. Chris Mitchum was slighrly better, but the really weak supporting performances in the first half of the film really weaken it.

Things only really begin to improve when the always delightful Jack Elam shows up but his screen time is sadly small, Just imagine what it would have been like if he had palled around with Wayne for most of the picture!

And with the exception of Amelita, the woman are annoying and can't act to save their lives, O'Neil is/was a horrible actress. Tuscarora's girlfriend was whiny and a character that could have been eliminated entirely.

The movie is highly enjoyable despite all its flaws, and that's primarily because of John Wayne himself as he carries the entire film on his shoulders and almost damn near succeeds in making a really good movie. He finally gets some help when Elam shows up, and boy does Elam lighten that load for Wayne.

DukePilgrim
April 26th, 2007, 06:57 PM
I always liked this movie. Jack Elam was really the only competition Duke had in acting department. I think apart from a small part in The Commancheros this was Jack's only other appearance with John Wayne.

I remember having a promo for this film on super 8 which featured all the other JW /Hawk Movies plus footage from Rio Lobo. I dont think this appeared with DVD


Mike

chester7777
August 23rd, 2007, 01:24 AM
. . . the woman are annoying and can't act to save their lives, O'Neil is/was a horrible actress. Tuscarora's girlfriend was whiny and a character that could have been eliminated entirely.

Lt. B, the Mrs. says she couldn't agree more with your assessment of the female characters in the film. "Annoying" is the word she uses every time we watch the movie.

On another vein, here is a poster for your enjoyment ~

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dukefan1
August 23rd, 2007, 07:19 AM
Um...chester? The first poster is from Rio Bravo, not Lobo.

You wern't thinking about those annoying actresses and got sidetracked, did ya? :stunned:

Just trying to help out. :teeth_smile:

Mark

chester7777
August 23rd, 2007, 11:45 AM
Thanks, Mark!

I wasn't paying close attention, although I did go back to the CD and discovered the first one is mis-named "Rio Lobo poster" (I was thinking maybe I just clicked on the wrong one).

Chester :newyear:

Johnc
March 17th, 2008, 02:13 AM
I thought Rio Lobo had a good storyline, the action is good as is the acting, all in all a good JW western

badger
October 16th, 2008, 07:41 AM
i watched this for the first time last night and i thought it was an ok film. to my shame, i don t know a lot about the american civil war, so found it a bit confusing to begin with but once i got into the story i enjoyed it.
i do think though, that it was john wayne that carried the film. the women were annoying, mostly because they seemed to lack credible personalites and they seemed to jump in with their lines before jw had finished his.
thought jack elam was great and their were some great lines in it ...
Cord McNally: Ketcham, we promised you in a trade. But we didn't say what *condition* you'd be in!
Cord McNally: Mr. Phillips; you watch Ketchum while we go inside.
Phillips: Sure thing, Colonel. If you hear a loud noise, it'll be Mr. Ketchum dyin'.
on the whole, i think 7/10 is about right

badger
October 16th, 2008, 02:47 PM
i d like to add as well, i am so ashamed of my lack of knowledge on the american civil war that i have got some books out of the library on it!!!

ShortGrub
October 16th, 2008, 02:57 PM
i d like to add as well, i am so ashamed of my lack of knowledge on the american civil war that i have got some books out of the library on it!!!


Badger, no worries. Most young Americans probably have no idea who Winston Churchill was or if the British invasion of the 60's was done with music or guns.:wink_smile:

badger
October 16th, 2008, 03:04 PM
Badger, no worries. Most young Americans probably have no idea who Winston Churchill was or if the British invasion of the 60's was done with music or guns.:wink_smile:

yeah but all of a sudden its captured my imagination and i want to know more. do you really call the beatles, oasis etc... british invasion music? we just call it brit pop

ShortGrub
October 17th, 2008, 01:38 PM
yeah but all of a sudden its captured my imagination and i want to know more. do you really call the beatles, oasis etc... british invasion music? we just call it brit pop

Many record, 8track, and cassette sets were labeled British Invasion with artists like the Stones, Beatles, Cream, The Who, etc.. on them.
I remember the people burning records over rock music.

On the Civil War subject, if you have any questions, myself or another here probably can answer them. I have visited all but a few of the major battle sites, and a majority of the minor ones. My book collection is extensive with American and British authors. Brit Col. Henderson's book on Stonewall Jackson is excellent.

The character differences I liked in Rio Lobo. Duke, Elam, and Mitchum are very different in style and screen presence and yet they blended well.

badger
October 17th, 2008, 01:51 PM
thanks shortgrub
well basically what was the civil war all about? how did it start and why? and where was it mostly fought out? was it geographical or ideological? has it made politics in america the way it is today ie would one side have been republicans and the other democrats?
anything at all really - also which are the best sites to look up
thanks

ShortGrub
October 17th, 2008, 07:40 PM
(ot) I know this post is off topic to Rio Lobo the movie, but it is to help Badger understand in context the theme behind the movies beginning.
Your understanding is appreciated.:wink_smile:

http://www.moc.org/site/PageServer (http://www.moc.org/site/PageServer) - Museum of the Confederacy

http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/index.html (http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/index.html) - Good timeline of events of the Civil War

http://www.nps.gov/history/ (http://www.nps.gov/history/) - US Park Service which has good history pages.


Just a few sites of many.

badger
October 18th, 2008, 08:10 AM
thanks shortgrub - i ll have a good look through these this afternoon... and you re right... it is to understand the background to rio lobo

scottie
October 24th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Yup not the best but by far from the worst good sunday afternoon film after a couple of beers at the pub. Cant say fairer than that

JohnChisum
February 15th, 2009, 11:32 AM
I think Rio Lobo was one of the first movies I watched with John Wayne. I still like it but I cannot consider Rio Lobo as a great movie. The shootouts and Jack Elam are fun but the other cast round Duke are faceless. Maybe Duke looks so big in Rio Lobo because the others aren't the best actors and actresses. The ladies of Rio Lobo are like a beautiful decoration. I always appreciated that at the end also Duke gets a girl too. :wink_smile:

What I really appreciate about Rio Lobo is the great Music Score from Jerry Goldsmith. Simple but good!:musical_note:

Of course there are better John Wayne Westerns but RIO LOBO is a good and entertaining Western.:teeth_smile:

Found some trivia on IMDB:

Robert Mitchum (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000053/) declined an offer from Howard Hawks (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001328/) to reprise his El Dorado (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061619/) (1966) role in this film. He told Hawks the script was "an even bigger piece of crap than El Dorado."
When John Wayne (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000078/) visits Bill Williams in the sheriff's office, there is a wanted poster on the wall for Hondo Lane, the character Wayne played in Hondo (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045883/) (1953).
John Wayne (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000078/) was seriously ill during filming, and had great difficulty getting on and off his horse.
Jack Elam (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001181/), playing the "Old Man", was more than a decade younger than John Wayne (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000078/).
During a break in filming Wayne collected his Best Actor Oscar for True Grit (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065126/) (1969) from Barbra Streisand (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000659/) at The 42nd Annual Academy Awards (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276746/) (1970) (TV). When he returned, every member of the cast was wearing an eye patch - including his horse!
I wonder which role was Mitchum supposed to play.

oldtucsonxtra
February 15th, 2009, 12:09 PM
JohnChisum: "During a break in filming Wayne collected his Best Actor Oscar for True Grit (1969) from Barbra Streisand at The 42nd Annual Academy Awards (1970) (TV). When he returned, every member of the cast was wearing an eye patch - including his horse!"

If you like this kind of trivia, you might enjoy this first-hand account by Bob Shelton of how he arranged the eye-patch surprise for JW at Old Tucson. The story occurs near the end of this 7 minute interview with Shelton:
http://homepage.mac.com/jannb8/wayne

ethanedwards
February 23rd, 2009, 01:16 PM
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Heber Snow
March 18th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Rio Lobo was a sad swan song for Howard Hawks and would have been better not made. A million miles away from Rio Bravo. I wish the Duke had chosen something more in keeping with his age. Same goes for the Undefeated. I wonder what other scripts he was being offered at the time?
Its a convoluted plot with just odd flashes of warmth and redeemed by Jack Elam who never gave a bad performance in his career. Its not one I'll want to add to my collection...

alamo221
April 20th, 2009, 04:34 AM
Definitely weak, but Duke and Elam save it. It would have benefited greatly by having another big name in the cast, either in Rivera's part or that of The Sheriff.

alamo221
November 25th, 2009, 10:48 AM
Really Duke & Elam were the only reasons to watch this. It's a fun time-killer, and I thought Duke still was fine in the starring role. Any failure of the film was not due to the star(s), but the script.

Again, it would have been great to have Ben Johnson, John Agar, and Chris George along for the ride. Jim Davis and Bill Williams were fine, but should have had bigger parts. Rivero sould have been replaced with anyone from Patrick Wayne to Glenn Campbell (can't believe I said that) and it would have been much better.

badger
July 13th, 2010, 05:06 PM
didnt like this film the first time i saw it but watched it again last night and really enjoyed it. can t understand why i didnt like it the first time. it has some really funny lines in it.
for example when the dentist givews him a shot and tells him he wouldnt have to do it if he d been a better actor and "if you hear a loud noise it ll just be mr ketchum dying." also, "we promised you in a trade. we didnt say what condition you d be in."
kind of classic john wayne. straight forward and good fun.

ringo kid
July 14th, 2010, 05:33 AM
i also liked this western,it may not be one of john wayne's best,but it's fun to watch.did'nt like jorge rivero in the part of pierre cordona.he was to weak of an actor to play opposite john wayne.i would liked to see glenn corbett in that part.it does'nt matter if a john wayne film is good or bad i would still have it in my collection.
(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0729473/)

Robbie
July 15th, 2010, 07:20 AM
Found some trivia on IMDB:

Robert Mitchum (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000053/) declined an offer from Howard Hawks (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001328/) to reprise his El Dorado (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061619/) (1966) role in this film. He told Hawks the script was "an even bigger piece of crap than El Dorado."

Regarding the trivia above I believe this to be false as the wording used resembles that of a known troll on IMDB and this should be removed from their site.

The Tennesseean
July 24th, 2010, 01:59 AM
One thing you have to keep in mind about IMDb is that the info in the trivia section is frequently false, and almost never fact-checked.

For example - what was the "serious illness" that JW had??Was this tidbit confused with what happened during The Undefeated? He broke 3 ribs after falling from his horse during that shoot (per Andrew McGlaglen), and he had shoulder issues the whole time...

Hawks was VERY bitter near the end of his career, and blaming Duke for the failure of RL was just inexcusable for someone of his stature.

As for having movies in your collection or not, if you're a fan, you take the good with the not so good...how else would know what of the body of work is truly incredible?!

Paula
March 22nd, 2011, 10:29 AM
Paramount Home Entertainment will release Big Jake and Rio Lobo on Blu-ray on May 31. Other westerns Paramount is releasing on Blu-ray that day are A Man Called Horse and Once Upon a Time in the West.

No additional information about Big Jake and Rio Lobo but hopefully we'll get specs and cover art soon. :)

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March 22nd, 2011, 05:28 PM
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March 29th, 2011, 02:31 PM
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Hondo Apache
September 18th, 2011, 03:44 PM
I actually liked this movie quite a bit. It's not up there with the greatest in the genre, of course. In fact it doesn't come close, but damn it, I was entertained! The supporting cast was its biggest flaw, I think. The script could have had some additional work done as well.

It had some funny scenes and as so many others have mentioned, Jack Elam was the second best thing about the movie.

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