EL DORADO

PRODUCED AND DIRECTED BY HOWARD HAWKS
MUSIC BY NELSON RIDDLE
PARAMOUNT PICTURES

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INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary

Hired gunman Cole Thornton turns down a job with Bart Jason as it would mean having to fight an old sheriff friend.
Some months later he finds out the lawman is on the bottle and a top gunfighter is heading his way to help Jason. Along with young Mississippi, handy with a knife and now armed with a diabolical shotgun, Cole returns to help.

Summary written by Jeremy Perkins

Cole Thornton, a gunfighter for hire, joins forces with an old friend, Sheriff J.P. Hara.
Together with an old indian fighter and a gambler, they help a rancher and his family
fight a rival rancher that is trying to steal their water.

Summary written by David J. Kiseleski

Writing credits
Harry Brown (novel The Stars in Their Courses)

Leigh Brackett (screenplay)

Full Cast

John Wayne .... Cole Thornton
Robert Mitchum .... El Dorado Sheriff J.P. Harrah
James Caan .... Alan Bourdillion Traherne ('Mississippi')
Charlene Holt .... Maudie
Paul Fix .... Dr. Miller
Arthur Hunnicutt .... Bull Harris
Michele Carey .... Josephine (Joey) MacDonald
R.G. Armstrong .... Kevin MacDonald
Edward Asner .... Bart Jason
Christopher George .... Nelse McLeod
Marina Ghane .... Maria
Robert Donner .... Milt (McLeod gang)
John Gabriel .... Pedro (McLeod gang)
Johnny Crawford .... Luke MacDonald
Adam Roarke .... Matt MacDonald
Victoria George .... Jared's wife
Jim Davis .... Jim Purvis (Bart Jason's foreman)
Ann Newman-Mantee .... Sam MacDonald's wife (as Anne Newman)
Diane Strom .... Matt's wife
Robert Rothwell .... Saul MacDonald
Olaf Wieghorst .... Swede Larsen (gunsmith)
Richard Andrade .... Bit part (uncredited)
Charlita .... Bit part (uncredited)
Don Collier .... Deputy Joe Braddock (uncredited)
Enrique Contreras .... Bit part (uncredited)
Chuck Courtney .... Jared MacDonald (uncredited)
Linda Dangcil .... Bit part (uncredited)
Nacho Galindo .... Mexican saloon keeper (uncredited)
Joseph Garcio .... Bit part (uncredited)
Betty Jane Graham .... Bit part (uncredited)
Robert 'Buzz' Henry .... Bit part (uncredited)
William Henry .... Sheriff Dodd Draper (uncredited)
Riley Hill .... Bit part (uncredited)
Chuck Horne .... Joe (uncredited)
Rodolfo Hoyos Jr. .... Bit part (uncredited)
Bonnie Charyl Josephson .... Bit part (uncredited)
Mike Letz .... Bit part (uncredited)
Frank Leyva .... Bit part (uncredited)
Myra MacMurray .... Bit part (uncredited)
John Mitchum .... Elmer (Jason's bartender) (uncredited)
Ruben Moreno .... Bit part (uncredited)
Deen Pettinger .... Bit part (uncredited)
Lee Powell .... Bit part (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... Jason's gunman (uncredited)
Anthony Rogers .... Dr. Charles Donovan (uncredited)
Danny Sands .... Bit part (uncredited)
Robert Shelton .... Bit part (uncredited)
Dean Smith .... Charlie Hagan (McLeod gang) (uncredited)
John Strachen .... Bit part (uncredited)
Rosa Turich .... Rosa (uncredited)
Ralph Volkie .... Bit part (uncredited)
Christopher West .... Bit part (uncredited)

Stunts

Polly Burson .... stunts (uncredited)
Joe Canutt .... stunts (uncredited)
Gary Combs .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Courtney .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Robert 'Buzz' Henry .... stunts (uncredited)
Walt La Rue .... stunts (uncredited)
Terry Leonard .... stunts (uncredited)
Bill Raymond .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
Danny Sands .... stunts (uncredited)
Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
Neil Summers .... stunts (uncredited)
George P. Wilbur .... stunts (uncredited)

Filming Locations

Kanab, Utah, USA

Old Tucson - 201 S. Kinney Road, Tucson, Arizona, USA

Trivia

* John Wayne starred in Rio Bravo (1959) (of which this film is a remake), and after reading the script for "El Dorado" he asked to play J.P. Hara, but the part went to Robert Mitchum.

* The opening credits feature a montage of original paintings that depict various scenes of cowboy life in the Old West. The artist was Olaf Wieghorst, who appears in the film as the Gunsmith, Swede Larsen.

* The poem recited by Mississippi is an actual poem called "El Dorado" by Edgar Allan Poe.

* Robert Mitchum revealed in an interview that when Howard Hawks asked him to be in the film, Mitchum asked what was the story of the film. Hawks reportedly replied that the story didn't matter because the film had some "great characters".

* Robert Mitchum's character was wounded and needed to use a crutch, but Mitchum would switch which arm he used with the crutch through out shooting. The continuity was so poor that Wayne (who actually worked continuity in silents while a star college football player, a method used by Hollywood fans to slip players some spending money) had his character mention it in one of the last scenes. The director enjoyed it so much he left it in the movie.

* The bartender that Robert Mitchum's character shoots in the saloon is played by his brother, actor/writer John Mitchum.

* Shooting started in late 1965. The movie was trade screened to exhibitors on 15 November 1966 but not released until June 1967.


Goofs

* Revealing mistakes: Obvious mannequin inserted into scene to replace Mississippi just before the horses jump over him.

* Continuity: When J.P. Hara returns from Jason's bar and enters the jail, the brim of his hat is up/down/up between shots.

* Continuity: When Mississippi throws a chair against the saloon window, the chair breaks the glass and bounces back to the porch when seen from the outside, but goes all the way through the glass and pulls the drapes down with it when seen from the inside. Also, the outside shots show there are shades covering the upper parts of the windows, but there are no shades visible when seen from the inside.

* Continuity: After Cole shoots Luke MacDonald he rides across the stream, which gets the front of his trousers wet. When he climbs off his horse only seconds later, his trousers are dry.

* Continuity: The sheriff got shot in the right leg and used a crutch, limping with his right leg. Later in the movie, he moved the crutch to the left leg and limped on that leg (see also trivia).

* Continuity: The opening shot - J.P. Harrah walking down the street - is done as three separate shots; each shot is obviously at a different time of day (as denoted by the shadows).

* Continuity: When Mississippi tackles Joey McDonald in the barn, his hat falls off of his head, and can be clearly seen lying next to him and Joey as they have their conversation. When they both stand up, the hat is still on the floor of the barn. Then, as Mississippi and Joey brush the straw off of themselves, Mississippi simply leans forward slightly and is able to pick his hat up from where it lies at his feet.

* Continuity: When Cole Thornton arrives to the Kevin MacDonald's farmer, pulling the horse with Luke MacDonald's body, the shadow is in his right side. So, for a while, the shadow appears in his left side. And after, it's in the right side again.

* Continuity: When Cole rides near the river and get shot by Josephine MacDonald, the shadow is projected to the opposite side of the river. Soon after, when Josephine rides ahead to Cole, the shadow is in the river side.

* Continuity: After Sheriff J.P. Harra hits Jason with his rifle, he works the cocking lever to chamber a round. But no empty cartridge is ejected, even though he fired the rifle at the bartender moments before.


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Memorable Quotes

[Cole Thornton is turning down Bart Jason]
Bart Jason: Since when did hired guns get choosy? You're paid to take...
Cole: I'm paid to risk my neck. I'll decide where and when I'll do it. This isn't it.
Bart Jason: Ya know, Thornton, I got an idea you just don't want to go up against Sheriff J.P. Harra.
Cole: You know, you're just about right?
Bart Jason: You think he's that good?
Cole: I tell ya he's that good.

Sheriff J. P. Harrah: What the hell are you doin' here?
Cole: I'm lookin' at a tin star with a... drunk pinned on it.

Sheriff J. P. Harrah: He went out that door!
Cole: Well you oughta know! You missed him!

Milt: You've got a lot of faith in me, don't ya Nelse?
Nelse McLeod: Faith can move mountains, Milt. But it can't beat a faster draw.
There's only three men I know with his kind of speed. One's dead. The other's me. And the third is Cole Thornton.
Cole: There's a fourth.
Nelse McLeod: Which one are you?
Cole: I'm Thornton.
[Milt withdraws]
Nelse McLeod: Aren't you glad you didn't try, Milt? Pick up your guns, both of you, real easy.
Cole: Like he said, real easy.

Cole: Next time you shoot somebody, don't go near 'em till you're... sure they're dead!

Sheriff J. P. Harrah: Well, wait a minute, wait, wait for me!

Cole: Why?
Nelse McLeod: Can you use a gun?
Mississippi: Well if I could I'd be using one. Good evening.
Cole: Just minute Mississippi.
Mississippi: Would you mind telling me why you have such a great passion for my company?

[after the climactic shootout, Nelse McLeod lies dying]
Nelse McLeod: You didn't give me... any chance at all, did you?
Cole: No, I didn't. You're too good to give a chance to.
Nelse McLeod: I let a one-armed man take me...

Cole: Did you get him?
Mississippi: Who?
Cole: The fella that ran outta the church!
Mississippi: Well, yes and no.
Cole: Yes and no? Did you or didn't you?
Mississippi: I hit the sign, and the sign hit him.
Cole: Well, that's great.
Mississippi: He was limping when he left!
Cole: He was limping when he got here!

Mississippi: Always liked that poem too. Makes me wanna...
Cole: Ride, boldly ride? Well it don't work out that way.
Mississippi: I'm learnin' that.

Cole: Tell him your name Mississippi.
Mississippi: Alan Bourdillion Traherne.
Sheriff J. P. Harrah: Well no wonder he carries a knife.

Mississippi: [examining J.P.'s leg after he's been shot] I gotta cut this pant leg.
Sheriff J. P. Harrah: Well, go ahead and cut it! Have you got a kni...
[Mississippi pulls out his knife from its hiding place on his back]
Sheriff J. P. Harrah: A knife? Uh, I suppose I've asked this before, but just who?
[looks at Cole instead]
Sheriff J. P. Harrah: Who is he?
Cole: Tell him your name, Mississippi.
Mississippi: [sighs and looks up] Alan Bedillion Trehearne.
Sheriff J. P. Harrah: Well, no wonder he carries a knife.

Mississippi: Are you bein' fair?
Cole: How?
Mississippi: Lettin' him go in there?
Cole: Well I'd hate to be the one to try and stop him. They laughed at him Mississippi. That'll make the difference.

Mississippi: Want me to go with you?
Bull Harris: Yeah, if I get shot you can bring back the food.

Mississippi: Well, we are we headed?
Cole: To see a girl.
Mississippi: To see a *girl*L?
Cole: Yes, a girl! Don't you think I could know a girl?

Mississippi: Always make you mad, don't I?
Cole: Mostly.

Sheriff J. P. Harrah: ...Tra-who?
Cole: Tra-HAIN.
Mississippi: Tra-HERNE!

Sheriff J. P. Harrah: Up until now I thought you had good taste.
Cole: Yeah, and up until now I thought you had good taste.

Cole: Now just a minute son
Mississippi: I... AM NOT... YOUR SON. My name is Alan Bourdillion Traherne.
Cole: ...Lord Almighty...
Mississippi: Yeah

Cole: Don't you know better than to follow a man that way?
Mississippi: Sorry... I didn't know there was another way.

Mississippi: I'm tryin' to thank you.
Cole: I'm hungry!

Bull Harris: ...might have anyhow if I wasn't tryin' to figure out what that fella's got on his head.
Mississippi: It called a hat.
Bull Harris: Well I'll have to take your word for it.

Sheriff J. P. Harrah: You thought it was pretty funny, too, didn't you. Well, why aren't you laughing now? Let me hear you laugh!
[hits Jason with his rifle]
Sheriff J. P. Harrah: I don't know who you think you are Jason, but I...
Cole: J. P.!
Sheriff J. P. Harrah: No. You're right, Cole. You're a lucky man, Jason. 'Cause I wanted to kill you bad!

[talking about Jason, who's in jail]
Joey: Would it be all right if I could see him, talk to him?
Sheriff J. P. Harrah: Why sure, Joey. Just, uh, let me have that gun.
Joey: Never mind.

Nelse McLeod: [Thornton is trying to distract McLeod outside of Jason's saloon] What are you doing here, Thornton?
Cole: Thought we'd settle the issue of which one of us is better, McLeod.
Nelse McLeod: How do you plan to do that with that arm?
Cole: Let me get down from this wagon and I'll show you.
Bart Jason: McLeod!
Nelse McLeod: Hold on a minute, Jason; I want to see how he plays this. Why should I give you a chance, Thornton?
Cole: Professional courtesy.
[Bull blows his bugle, when McLeod turns around, Thornton dives off the wagon and shots McLeod with a hidden gun]
Nelse McLeod: [after both McLeod and Jason are dead] You never gave me a chance.
Cole: You're too good to give a chance to.

INFORMATION FROM IMDb

On The Cutting Room Floor

1.Duke,Charlene Holt, Mitch, and Paul Fix, having a good time.
This sequence occurs before Duke leaves El Dorado after being shot
by Michele Carey.

2,The scene where Michele Carey, is holding the rifle, she shot Duke with.

Hi,

288

I thought this was a good fun movie, and very enjoyable.
Part 2, of Hawk's trilogy, but not quite as strong as RIO BRAVO.
The similarities between the 3 movies, is mentioned in another thread.
Duke, once again settling into his more mature roles,
with comfort and ease.
Mitch, was his usual brilliant self, and acted well with Duke,
and there was some chemistry, between them.
James Caan, who was in awe of Duke, acquitted himself well, and when watching the review, and was supprised, to find how funny he was!!
He did his job well, even though he kept listening to Duke, and getting into trouble
with Hawks!!
Surrounded by lots of familiar friends, wranglers, and stunt men,
Duke felt at ease.
Reviewers, found the film, not spectacular., but a crisp diversion,
with some amusing moments.
Rating 7/10

Hi EE

Thank you for including information about deleted scenes, but I thought the scene in which there is a party before Duke left El Dorado after getting shot was left in.

I know there was another scene deleted from the movie in which Joey apologises to Duke for shooting him.

El dorado is however a great movie and works really well, its one of my favourite John Wayne westerns.

:agent:

After Joey and Mississippi return to the jail after the wrestling match in the barn.As Joey is leaving,Mississippi says I believe she would have shot me.Cole states"She shot me.
I don't remember the exact words that Kevin McDonald says after Cole brings Luke home.But Kevin says I guess you're telling the truth.Thank you for bringing him home.Cole looks down and says"It don't help much.
This is one of my favorite movies.

I agree with Keith, this movie is good, but not quite up there with Rio Bravo.

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Chester :newyear:

Hi,
I have been researching all the threads, back to the start of the JWMB,
looking for previous discussion, relating to the movies.
I have found the following, comments, and have copied them here,
so that they are now under one forum:-

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Here's a link that compares,

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I thought this was a good fun movie, and very enjoyable. ...
Reviewers, found the film, not spectacular., but a crisp diversion,
with some amusing moments.

That's a smart way of putting it.

I'll post a couple questions here:

1) According to the Internet Movie Database, El Dorado debuted in Japan in December 1966, six months before it premiered in America in June 1967.

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Is that true, and if so, why?

2) It seems as if the daytime shots of and in "El Dorado" occurred in a different place from the nighttime sequences, which comprise the majority of the film and, frankly, appear to have been shot on the studio back-lot. Has anyone else noticed that?

***SPOILERS*** for El Dorado

I don't think that El Dorado (1967) is a terribly substantial film or a significant Western in the history of the genre. The movie is obviously derivative of director Howard Hawks' previous Western with John Wayne, Rio Bravo (1959), and its treatment of violence is lightweight, lacking the gravity of Hawks' austere and often grave Red River (1948). Surely, certain thematic explorations about the flippant resort to violence in the Old West and the mercenary nature of gunfighting go untapped in El Dorado. In a sense, Hawks was just coasting by this late point in his career.

All that said, it's nearly undeniable that El Dorado makes for pleasant and enjoyable Western entertainment. Hawks' usual sense of pacing—fluid yet never rushed—is evident, as is his canny sense of comedy, his witty dialogue, his delightful sets and landscapes, and his richly drawn sense of character. The action set-pieces are nifty and nimble (if unrealistic), and the use of montage is striking and dramatic. Hawks' compositions also carry a certain sense of irony, placing characters in unexpected and compromising positions (an injured Wayne temporarily laid out in front of a door, a bathing Robert Mitchum embarrassed in the presence of attractive women going in-and-out of the sheriff's office). Best of all, the director takes his two great macho stars, Wayne and Mitchum, and renders them vulnerable. When Wayne eventually re-encounters the 48-year old Mitchum after some six or seven months on the trail, he finds a grubby, pathetic drunkard. Mitchum's face is unshaven, his hair is lank, plastered, and greasy, and his mind is desperately focused on alcohol and nothing else, so sorry are his sorrows over a woman who broke his heart. He isn't even properly clothed, wearing a filthy, dirt-stained undergarment over his sweaty torso, his sheriff's badge now serving as a tacky joke rather than a jewel of justice. He's a man who has basically washed away his life, his once noble position as the formerly respected sheriff of El Dorado, and his once feared reputation as an awesome gunslinger. Then you have the 58-year old Wayne, still a powerful and legendary gunfighter, but clearly vulnerable, too, toppling from his horse and complaining about a bullet that's lodged in his back and that periodically causes numbness in his hand and ultimately, temporary paralysis in his side. The Duke's paunch is thick and glaring and he looks slightly weary, a little wayworn if still a strong man to be respected.

Together, these two straggling stars will rely on one another to succeed, subverting their machismo even as they affirm it in ironic ways. With villainy on the horizon, the focused Wayne arrives in town and begins the stumbling process of sobering up the disgraced and wallowing Mitchum. Eventually, through quite a bit of trial and error, Mitchum is warmed by the camaraderie of his old friend, and gradually, almost imperceptibly, he reverses course. Late in the film, we see Mitchum clean-shaven and wearing a flattering black hat and his sheriff's badge attached to a crisp, handsome maroon shirt. It's a startling epiphany, and yet one that had been coming for some time. As for Wayne, he's taken hostage late in the film and finds his shooting arm paralyzed, and yet still manages to use his savvy to outwit the opposition. Combined with a young sidekick, an old one, and a couple of Howard Hawks' typically pretty yet sporty women, these ill-fitting yet vigorous individuals rub each other the right way and use their brains and teamwork to best the brawnier villains.

In a sense, it's classic Hawks, with male bonding and bantering women and triumphs against the odds. The characters are vulnerable and in varying sorts of pain, but they fit together as part of a cross-woven quilt to form the fabric of American society. Indeed, Hawks may not have been as self-consciously democratic as his rival John Ford, but his basic thrust represented the best of the American ideal. In his universe, El Dorado included, heterogeneous individuals bond together to compensate for personal and professional shortcomings, belie outward appearances, and form an unbroken circle of trust and mutual reliance. In the process, they overcome seemingly daunting odds, redeem one another, and protect their society from hostile, hegemonic, homogenous, and anti-democratic forces. El Dorado epitomizes all that and memorably captures Hawks' unfailing spirit, especially in its final shot, which shows Wayne and Mitchum limping down the street of El Dorado together, each wobbling with the help of a crutch, neither man omnipotent and yet neither man waylaid. Both men are suffering from bullet wounds, and yet both men are resilient and forever bantering. And so if El Dorado is not a significant or original Western, it can be forgiven, for it's entertaining and enlivening in the best democratic spirit that America has to offer. As one of the characters says, Hawks’ world revolves around an unpretentious "host of friends."

Originally posted by joekiddlouischama@Aug 23 2006, 11:00 AM
***SPOILERS*** for El Dorado

I don't think that El Dorado (1967) is a terribly substantial film or a significant Western in the history of the genre.* The movie is obviously derivative of director Howard Hawks' previous Western with John Wayne, Rio Bravo (1959), and its treatment of violence is lightweight, lacking the gravity of Hawks' austere and often grave Red River (1948).* Surely, certain thematic explorations about the flippant resort to violence in the Old West and the mercenary nature of gunfighting go untapped in El Dorado.* In a sense, Hawks was just coasting by this late point in his career.*


Hi Joe

Surely this was the point of El Dorado, when Leone was catering for a certain audiences with his portrayal of gritty violence, Hawks was offering a refreshing alternative. A movie that includes violence but in a more lightweight manner this is something which many people craved due to the cold war, vietnam or even the spagetti westerns and thats one reason why El dorado is so popular even in 2006.

Robbie
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Originally posted by Robbie@Aug 23 2006, 04:16 PM
Hi Joe

Surely this was the point of El Dorado, when Leone was catering for a certain audiences with his portrayal of gritty violence, Hawks was offering a refreshing alternative. A movie that includes violence but in a more lightweight manner this is something which many people craved due to the cold war, vietnam or even the spagetti westerns and thats one reason why El dorado is so popular even in 2006.

Robbie
:agent:
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Robbie, that's true. In 1967, the Leone Westerns were hitting America for the first time and attracting a certain audience with their newfangled violence, amoral anti-heroism, and surrealistic nihilism. At the same time, there was another (more traditional) audience out there that sought comfort in such time-honored values as male bonding, communal protection, honor, optimism, and redemption. And by exquisitely fulfilling those values, El Dorado indeed proved comforting, as evidenced by its strong domestic theatrical rentals earnings of $6M.

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By 1966, some Hollywood Westerns, such as Duel at Diablo (Ralph Nelson, 1966) and The Appaloosa (Sidney J. Furie, 1966), were starting to reflect the bloodthirsty grimness then raging in European Westerns across the Atlantic. Howard Hawks and John Wayne, however, remained true to their values and continued to craft Westerns in the lighter, romantic mold that they believed in. We can be grateful for that decision, because the different types of Westerns across the spectrum are what makes the genre rich and multifaceted.

Hi

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John Wayne: Robert Mitchum: (Un-Known) & Arthur Hunnicut in El Dorado

Regards

Arthur

That looks like James Caan (Mississippi) behind Robert Mitchum.
Cheers - Jay:beer:

Hi

Jay yes you're right. I think I'll leave it or these posts won't make sense'

Thanks

Regards

Arthur

Unless I am wrong, the picture with the girl on the first page is from Rio Lobo...GSP

GSP,
Done and thanks!

That looks like James Caan (Mississippi) behind Robert Mitchum.
Cheers - Jay:beer:

That's the same thing I was going to say. Thats James Caan......

Looked like James Caan to me too.

Chester :newyear:

Hi,

288****751

I thought this was a good fun movie, and very enjoyable.
Part 2, of Hawk's trilogy, but not quite as strong as RIO BRAVO.
The similarities between the 3 movies, is mentioned in another thread.
Duke, once again settling into his more mature roles,
with comfort and ease.
Mitch, was his usual brilliant self, and acted well with Duke,
and there was some chemistry, between them.
James Caan, who was in awe of Duke, acquitted himself well, and when watching the review, and was supprised, to find how funny he was!!
He did his job well, even though he kept listening to Duke, and getting into trouble
with Hawks!!
Surrounded by lots of familiar friends, wranglers, and stunt men,
Duke felt at ease.
Reviewers, found the film, not spectacular., but a crisp diversion,
with some amusing moments.
Rating 7/10

Hi Keith you have used a picture from 'The Sons of Kaite Elder' for this thread, the picture depicts both Dean Martin and John Wayne.

I agree with the posted above the 'unknown' is defently James Cann.

:agent:

Hi Robbie,

Thanks, this has happened a couple of times,
I don't know whether it was to do with the change over, or what!
as the picture clearly states, where it's from,

Ah well it will sort it self out!

I agree James Caan, also!

Hi Keith

I figured the changeover had something to do with it as I cannot imagine you making a goof like that. Incidentally I've been reading through many of the film threads and I have noticed that you have added a lot to them since the changeover, its all very impressive.

Well done and thanks.

:agent:

Another problem I've noticed, is the site seems to inadvertently double post
people's posts at times.:dry: :dry:

Chester :newyear:

Great movie, but I think it just edges out Rio Bravo. Just didn't care for Angie Dickinson's acting in that one, but I did notice her at the end of the movie in that little outfit.:stunned:

Another problem I've noticed, is the site seems to inadvertently double post
people's posts at times.:dry: :dry:

Chester :newyear:

Hi Chester

I haven't noticed this phenomenon!!

:agent:

Another problem I've noticed, is the site seems to inadvertently double post
people's posts at times.

Chester

Hi Chester

I haven't noticed this phenomenon!!

:agent:

Cute... :wink_smile:

Funny! ...

Jay

:jump: :smile: :jump:

:agent:

Hi Robbie

I take it that you enjoyed the picture


Regards

Arthur

Hi Arther

I love El Dorado but you will need to read back 6 posts to understand my last post.

:agent:

Excellent movie... just got done watching it again but on HDNet Movies today. It was great in HD.

Great movie, but I think it just edges out Rio Bravo. Just didn't care for Angie Dickinson's acting in that one, but I did notice her at the end of the movie in that little outfit.:stunned:
One picture is worth ten pages of script!:laugh:
Cheers - Jay:beer:

Always enjoyed this movie. The only scene I wish they had redone was James Caan impersonating a Chinese man. Get real it would have needed to be a real dark night or very stupid guard. I think they could have thought of something better than that.

Other wise very good movie Michele Carey was much better looking than Angie Dickinson.


Mike

Don't forget Charlene Holt. She looked rather nice in her little outfit when she answered the door for the Duke.:wub:

Yes, I do remember Charlene Holt. :ohmy:


Poor James Caan got to wrestle Michel Carey in the barn and discovered she was a girl!!! Amazing.

Always enjoyed this movie. The only scene I wish they had redone was James Caan impersonating a Chinese man. Get real it would have needed to be a real dark night or very stupid guard. I think they could have thought of something better than that.

Other wise very good movie Michele Carey was much better looking than Angie Dickinson.


Mike

I actually enjoyed that scene and still do, it would be classified as very un PC nowadays but I thought the imitation was just fine to arouse enough suspicion with the guard, remember he wasn't fooled but confused.

:agent:

I just finished watching El Dorado and noticed a couple of things. I read all of the posts to see if anybody else noticed. When I read the first posts that described some of the goofs I had to laugh because I had noticed most of them, too.

When Duke is in the church shooting the bad guys, I noticed when the camera was aimed up through the bell tower I could see a bright blue sky instead of a night sky.

Also, and this is really more of an opinion, but, as beautiful as Duke's Appaloosa was, it seemed small under him compared to what I am accustomed to seeing him ride. And a few times he seemed to be unsteady under it, possibly because it was too small for all that man.... I had a horse that looked exactly like that, a mare named Misty.

I really liked this movie....

Cindy

Slowly but surely, we are adding the posters from the films, in their respective threads.

We hope you enjoy this offering, from El Dorado ~

2042

Well, what more can I say except this was a truly fine western of the old school with great chemistry between Wayne and Mitchum. I've sometimes thought the Duke needed a stronger co-star like Mitchum or Kirk Douglas in his later movies. This was the first John Wayne western I saw, one Christmas just after my grandfather had lent me a video cassette of The Longest Day - this was before we went DVD of course! If there are any flaws, I suppose Charlene Holt was a little weak, they needed a better actress like Angie Dickinson. Obviously the scene where James Caan impersonates a Chinese man would never be allowed today, though it was pretty funny! Overall this is my favourite Duke movie, not his best but his most entertaining IMO.

9/10.

Here is an example of the comic from the movie. Enjoy!

Mark

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Here is a copy of the book from which the movie idea came from. The book bears very little resemblance with the movie, but was a very good read.

Mark

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Are you saying the book doesn't follow the same story line that was in the movie? I have always wanted to read that book.

Not even close, SXViper. It is almost a totally different story with just a very little of it making the movie. Even the characters are different. It's been a while since I read it, but I did enjoy it as a book. It just wasn't near the same as the movie. Most of the books I read that were made into Duke movies, they stay close in the story line. This is the only one I read that was so far off. If I didn't know that El Dorado was a product from the book befor I read it, I would not have guessed it. But like I said, it was a very good read.

Mark

Thanks Mark,

I have tried looking for that book but all I can find is a hardcover edition that is very expensive. Anyone know of a softcover that might be more affordable? I say this understanding that it is probably out of print but its worth a shot to ask.

Great movie, but I think it just edges out Rio Bravo. Just didn't care for Angie Dickinson's acting in that one, but I did notice her at the end of the movie in that little outfit.:stunned:

I give El Dorado the nod too. Charlene Holt was better than Angie Dickinson. James Cahn was better than Ricky Nelson. Bob Mitchum was better than Dean Martin and Christopher George was better than Claud Aikens.

One of my favorites!

Thanks Mark,

I have tried looking for that book but all I can find is a hardcover edition that is very expensive. Anyone know of a softcover that might be more affordable? I say this understanding that it is probably out of print but its worth a shot to ask.
The book is currently available at Amazon, paperback starting at around $20. A bit pricey for a paperback, but far more affordable than the $161 starting price for the hardcover!

Mrs. C :angel1:

i liked this film nearly as much as rio bravo, definitely one of my favourites and will watch it again. thought robert mitchum was great too

The only thing that keeps Rio Bravo ahead of EL Dorado is Stumpy. Caan and Nelson are a wash, as is Mitchum and Martin, but Brennan as Stumpy is the topper for me.

This Harry Brown who wrote the book was a screen writer on movies. He did Sands of Iwo Jima.