THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE

DIRECTED BY JOHN FORD
PRODUCED BY JOHN FORD/ WILLIS GOLDBECK
A JOHN FORD PRODUCTION
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INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary
Senator Ranse Stoddard returns to the city Shinbone in the Wild West to go to the funeral of his friend, Tom Doniphon. To a journalist, who's wondering what the senator is doing in Shinbone, he tells how his career started as "the man who shot Liberty Valance". As a lawyer he went to Shinbone, where he met his wife Hallie and Tom Doniphon. He taught the people there to read and write. Then he met the greatest bandit of the region, Liberty Valance....
Summary written by Tony Kessen

Full Cast
John Wayne .... Tom Doniphon
James Stewart .... Ransom Stoddard
Vera Miles .... Hallie Stoddard
Lee Marvin .... Liberty Valance
Edmond O'Brien .... Dutton Peabody (Editor of the Shinbone Star)
Andy Devine .... Marshal Link Appleyard
Ken Murray .... Doc Willoughby
John Carradine .... Maj. Cassius Starbuckle
Jeanette Nolan .... Nora Ericson
John Qualen .... Peter Ericson
Willis Bouchey .... Jason Tully (conductor)
Carleton Young .... Maxwell Scott
Woody Strode .... Pompey
Denver Pyle .... Amos Carruthers
Strother Martin .... Floyd
Lee Van Cleef .... Reese
Robert F. Simon .... Handy Strong
O.Z. Whitehead .... Herbert Carruthers
Paul Birch .... Mayor Winder
Joseph Hoover .... Charlie Hasbrouck (reporter for 'The Star')
Charles Akins .... (uncredited)
Mario Arteaga .... Henchman (uncredited)
Gertrude Astor .... (uncredited)
Leonard Baker .... Man (uncredited)
Danny Borzage .... Townsman (uncredited)
Robert Donner .... (uncredited)
Larry Finley .... Bar X man (uncredited)
Shug Fisher .... Kaintuck (drunk) (uncredited)
Helen Gibson .... (uncredited)
Sam Harris .... (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... Henchman (uncredited)
William Henry .... (uncredited)
Bryan 'Slim' Hightower .... Shotgun (uncredited)
Earle Hodgins .... Clute Dumphries (uncredited)
Stuart Holmes .... (uncredited)
Ed Jauregui .... Drummer (uncredited)
Jack Kenny .... (uncredited)
Anna Lee .... Mrs. Prescott (widow in stage holdup) (uncredited)
Jacqueline Malouf .... Lietta Appleyard (uncredited)
Ted Mapes .... Highpockets (uncredited)
Montie Montana .... Politician on horseback (uncredited)
Bob Morgan .... Roughrider (uncredited)
Charles Morton .... Drummer (uncredited)
Eva Novak .... (uncredited)
Jack Pennick .... Jack (barman) (uncredited)
Dorothy Phillips .... (uncredited)
Stephanie Pond-Smith .... (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... Henchman (uncredited)
Buddy Roosevelt .... (uncredited)
Charles Seel .... President, election council (uncredited)
Slim Talbot .... (uncredited)
Ralph Volkie .... Townsman (uncredited)
Max Wagner .... Poker game dealer (uncredited)
Blackie Whiteford .... (uncredited)
Jack Williams .... Henchman (uncredited)

Writing Credits
James Warner Bellah screenplay
Willis Goldbeck screenplay
Dorothy M. Johnson story

Original Music
Cyril J. Mockridge (as Cyril Mockridge)

Non-Original Music
Alfred Newman (from "Young Mr. Lincoln") (uncredited)

Cinematography
William H. Clothier (director of photography)

Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Wingate Smith .... assistant director

Stunts
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Tom Hennesy .... stunts (uncredited)
Bryan 'Slim' Hightower .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Eddie Juaregui .... stunts (uncredited)
Ted Mapes .... stunts (uncredited)
Louise Montana .... stunts (uncredited)
Montie Montana .... stunts (uncredited)
Bob Morgan .... stunts (uncredited)
Hal Needham .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
Jack Williams .... stunts (uncredited)

Trivia
Director Trademark: [John Ford] [cards] Liberty Valance plays the Dead Man's Hand (Aces and Eights) before going out to duel Ransom Stoddard.

Several reasons have been put forward for the film being in black and white. John Ford once claimed it added to the tension, however others involved with production said Paramount was cutting costs and so they had to make the movie on sound stages at the studio. Without the budget restraints, Ford would have been in Monument Valley using Technicolor stock. It has also been suggested that since both John Wayne and James Stewart were playing characters thirty years younger than they actually were (Wayne was 54 when the movie was filmed in the autumn of 1961 and Stewart was 53), the movie needed to be in black and white because they would never have got away with it in color. The age difference was particularly noticeable in Stewart's case, since he was playing a young lawyer who had only just graduated from law school and had moved West without even practicing law back East.

At the beginning of the movie, in the scene in which Vera Miles comes near John Wayne's burned house, the music from John Ford's Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) is played.

Some of the earlier scenes in the movie, particularly in the restaurant, were apparently styled by John Ford as a mocking tribute to the films of his friend and fellow director, Howard Hawks.

Tom Doniphon (John Wayne) refers to Valance as "... the toughest man south of the Picketwire," then adds, "next to me!" The Picketwire is not a wire fence dividing line; it was slang for the Purgatoire River, which flows into the Arkansas.

First occasion of John Wayne calling someone "Pilgrim".

John Ford had considered casting a young actor as Stoddard, but feared that would highlight the fact that John Wayne was too old to play Doniphon.

In the scene where Stoddard is carried into the "Peter's Place" kitchen wounded, Nora (Jeanette Nolan) gives him a cup of coffee laced with what she describes as "Akvavit, Swedish brandy" - the bottle is, in fact, a quite recognizable Akvavit bottle. The drink is found in all of Scandinavia but is largely considered to stem from Denmark.

In promotional posters for the film, James Stewart appears to be billed first; however, in the film itself, John Wayne's screen card appears first, followed by Stewart's.

The last time John Qualen plays a Scandinavian character alongside a John Wayne lead.

This was John Ford's last film in black and white.

Final film of Stuart Holmes.

At the time of release, this was dismissed as a lesser work from a once-great director and was stuck on the bottom half of double-bills.

During the territorial convention, three of the actors (John Wayne, Andy Devine and John Carradine) had performed together previously in Stagecoach (1939) under the helm of the same director John Ford.

John Ford deliberately shot this film on soundstages in an effort to distance it from his Monument Valley epics.

O.Z. Whitehead, playing a teenager, was actually fifty years old in real life.

Goofs
* Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the flashback, Tom Doniphon tells Stoddard that he killed Liberty Valance, it is Stoddard who shoots first, than Doniphon. But since we've been shown that Stoddard can't hit the broad side of a barn (and in fact, his aim is wild), Doniphon's probably right.

* Incorrectly regarded as goofs: Ransom Stoddard, at the school scene, makes a reference to "truck farmer." This phrase refers not to the motorized vehicle, but to the much older use of "truck" meaning barter or commerce.

* Continuity: In the reverse shot during the climactic political rally, the opposing parties switch sides.

* Continuity: When we see Liberty Valance shot the first time in the film, he stands up with his left leg stepping on the boardwalk and then brings his right leg over his left leg, stepping actually on the boardwalk. On the "replay," Valance swings his right leg over his left, steps right into the street, and falls slightly forward without touching the boardwalk with his right leg at all.

* Continuity: During the statehood/territory political rally, when Peabody completes his nomination of Stoddard for Congress, Doc Willoughby alternates between standing on the floor and on a chair between shots.

* Factual errors: When Ransom Stoddard is found and brought to the Swedish innkeepers, Nora makes him drink "Swedish aquavit", but in fact she offers him "Rød Aalborg" (translates: Red Aalborg) which is a Danish aquavit.

* Continuity: Dutton Peabody was a little lax in his typesetting. The SHINEBONE STAR newspaper Rance Stoddard complimented Peabody on ("Cattlemen Fight Statehood") was VOL XXX, No. 42. Then many weeks (or months) later at the election of delegates Liberty Valance picks up a newspaper ("Two Homesteaders Killed By Liberty Valance and Gang") which also carries the same VOL. XXX, No 42.

* Continuity: In front of the Tom's coffin, Marshal Link's hat appears and disappears between shots on the box which he holds.

* Continuity: When Tom Doniphon enters the room that the territorial convention is held, we can see several women watching the convention from outside the room. However, later when Tom and Ransom Stoddard leave the room (and when Ransom re-enters the room), the women are gone.

* Audio/visual unsynchronized: When Stoddard is setting the paint cans on the fence posts, they make a tinny sound that clearly indicates they're empty. Yet when shot by Doniphon, they discharge a great amount of paint.

* Revealing mistakes: In the last scene on the train, as Stewart is returning to Washington with his wife, the scenery outside the train repeats two and a half times...including a painted crosswalk which is unlikely to have existed at that time in a rural area.

* Continuity: Toward the end when the Stoddards are back to pay respects to Tom Doniphon, Rance snaps his watch cover shut and puts it in his vest pocket. He then enters the room and is snapping it shut and putting it in his vest pocket again.

* Continuity: After Doniphan shoots the paint cans, the amount and patterns of the paint on Ranse's jacket changes.

* Continuity: As Hallie tends to Ranse's bullet wound from Valance, the position and cleanliness of Ranse's hand changes.

* Anachronisms: One of the songs being played in the saloon was "Hot Time In The Old Town Tonight," but the song was written in 1886 by Theodore Metz, several years after the time the story is set in.

* Audio/visual unsynchronized: In the closing scenes as Stewart and Miles ride home on the train, they have a conversation; there is no noise from the train in the background whatsoever.

* Anachronisms: Another song played at the Convention is "Come Friends Who Plough The Sea" from Gilbert and Sullivan's 'Pirates of Penzance', written many years later than the action of the film.

* Continuity: When Tom enters the kitchen as Hallie is tending to Rance's wound and when he starts getting drunk his shirt is dark (probably Wayne's favorite blue, if the movie were in color). When he arrives at his ranch, the shirt is now much lighter (possibly red if in color.)

* Continuity: When Tom arrives drunk at the dream house and staggers in, his shirt is light gray. Once he's inside and lights the lantern, his shirt is black. Then in the scene where Pompey rescues Tom from the burning house, when he first lays Tom on the buckboard, Tom's shirt is light gray again. When Tom tells Pompey to get the horses, it's clearly light gray. Then after Pompey frees the horses and the camera cuts back to Tom in the back of the buckboard, his shirt is clean and black once again.

* Errors made by characters (possibly deliberate errors by the filmmakers): In the school scene, Ransom talks about the "law of the land" (US Constitution) and mentions changing or amending it. He continues the lesson but refers to it as the Declaration of Independence instead of the US Constitution.

* Factual errors: In the school scene, Ransom asks his students about the Constitution of the United States. He is pleased when Pompey recites from memory "We hold these truths to be self-evident..." and finishes the quote for him "...that all men are created equal." But the quote is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

* Revealing mistakes: During the train ride back with Stoddard and his wife, the scenery is going by so fast that it is hardly recognizable, however the conductor states that they'll be there in no time because they'll be going 25mph. At 25 mph you could easily view the countryside. Additionally, as the conductor was talking with Stoddad he was perfectly still, no swaying back and forth, as anyone would've done on a train in the 1800s.

Memorable Quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056217/quotes)

Filming Locations
California, USA
Janss Conejo Ranch, Thousand Oaks, California, USA
Paramount Studios - 5555 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, USA

Previous discussion:-
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=677)

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is a 1962 American Western film directed by John Ford
starring James Stewart and John Wayne.
The black-and-white film was released by Paramount Pictures.
The screenplay by James Warner Bellah and Willis Goldbeck
was adapted from a short story written by Dorothy M. Johnson.
The supporting cast includes Vera Miles, Lee Marvin, Edmond O'Brien, Andy Devine,
John Carradine, Woody Strode, Strother Martin, and Lee Van Cleef.

In 2007 the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry
by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".

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Well this film, is an all time classic and in amongst
the top Duke films, ever made.
A great favourite, amongst fans, all over.
A mean, moody story,
made even more moody, by the fact, that it was shot in black and white.

Depending on which publicity you read, this was either, a Duke film,
or a James Stewart film, either way, neither of them cared.

Duke was brilliant in this film, and completely at home with his role.
Lee Marvin was, great, and it's hard to believe, that they could have made Donovans Reef, so poor.
Vera Miles, presented herself well, so did the clutch of Ford regulars,
including a part for ex-footballer, Woody Strode, who apparently
was restrained from, knocking the living daylights, out of Duke!!

At first critics failed to understand the film, but later, critical evaluation
grew more positive, and it is now classed
as one of the best films of its genre


User Review

Who's The Better Man Here? Answer: Neither.
22 June 2007 | by jvincent1 (United States)

I just read the comments of someone from August 30, 2004, who had reached the conclusion that John Wayne's character had stepped aside "for the better man," played by Jimmy Stewart. From my view, nothing could be farther from the truth. For all Ransom Stoddard's disdain for frontier violence, in the end, he was left with no choice but to pick-up a gun to finally silence Liberty Valance, something Valance knew better than to do with Wayne's Tom Doniphon. Call Stoddard the idealist and Doniphon the realist, but don't call him the better man. In 1946, John Ford directed My Darling Clementine, perfectly blending Wayne and Henry Fonda with his usual cast of characters to create a masterwork. Sixteen years later, he put Wayne together with Stewart (plus all the ol' gang) and made another peerless film. There was a time I didn't really "get" John Ford and John Wayne. One day, I awoke and now, the greatness of these two giants of the cinema is undeniable.

Hi

I agree as this is one of my favourite John Wayne pictures.

Critics say that it was shot in black and white becaue much of it was filmed on a sound stage. They also say that Ford was becoming dissillusioned with the genre realising that his view of the west had changed or even worse, never existed at all.

The music you refer to is the Anne Rutlidge theme used as you correctly say in Young lincoln. The same music or mood music very much like it is also used in How the West Was Won or when ever Ford wanted to introduce sympathy or reminencesses. In How the West Was Won there are also snatches of the theme music from the film.

During the making of the picture Wayne was treated abominably by Ford. James Stewart worked hard to avoid upsetting Ford and managed to keep out of trouble until one day when Ford asked him what he thought of Woody Stoode's costume. Stewart replied that he considered it a bit Uncle Tom'ish and immediatey wished the ground would swallow him as Ford much to Wayne's delight announced to the cast that one of the members didn't like Strood's costume.

Ford had picked up that Stewart had a problem working with African Americans and used it as a stick to beat him.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

Another actor in the picture who managed to keep out of Ford's waywas Andy Devine. During the picture Ford had a habit of making actors he felt he wanted to make a point about stand in a barrel.

One day Devine was reading something and Ford asked him what he was doing. Devine immediately replied that he was reading his script. Satisfied Ford walked away. Laughing Devine said He's not putting me in that barrel.

Regards

Arthur

To me this has to be one of the ten best westerns of all time. I should watch this soon, it's been awhile. I think Edmond O'Brien stole the show in this one as Dutton Peabody. In the late 40's and early 50's he was considered a leading actor with DOA, Fighter Squadron, White Heat among his credits. He then turned into a character actor and this movie showed how good he was at it. Of course, he later appeared in The Wild Bunch as a grizzled old westerner. His one line in the film, "that's carrying democracy too far" over the fact that the bar's closed for the election is a classic. Also, Strother Martin and Lee Van Cleef were near as good as Valance henchmen who were only as tough as Liberty was still alive.

Arthur, thank you so much for all the "inside" information on this film. Did James Stewart have a problem working with African-Americans (is it documented anywhere)? I hadn't heard that before.

We consider this among Duke's classics, and have always enjoyed the large ensemble cast of "regulars" we have come to know and love as we watch all these movies.

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is available at Deep Discount DVD (http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=5781598), and it is also available reasonably priced at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Shot-Liberty-Valance/dp/B00005ASGG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4971277-1548624?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1190478490&sr=8-1).

Chester :newyear:

I'm not sure why the online (http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/118182) version of the Arizona Daily Star is running a review of The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance at this particular time, but it is interesting to note that the movie shows a rating of R! Certainly not by today's standards!

Chester :newyear:

Hi Jim/Sue

In James Stewart a Biography by Donald Dewy which is a very good read pages 461--3 go into this aspect of Stewart in some depth. I will not say Stewart was a racist because I don't personally believe he was, I believe his grandfather was but possibly that was a sign of the times and environmentment in which he lived, however I know nothing of the politics of Indiana to comment further.


What the book does say however is that Stewart was UNCOMFORTABLE with African Americans and rarely spoke to them, or had them on his show ,or even if they worked for him would rarely speak to them.

It is easy to stand back and criticise especially when the person is no longer with us. What needs to be looked at was that for many years Stewart was a fine actor and in time of war served his country very well. I believe quite fervently that three things are sacrisanct to any person, his religion, his politics and his ethnic beliefs.



Regards

Arthur

Arthur,

Thanks for that further information. Like you, I certainly don't believe for even a second that James Stewart was a racist - he was just too decent a guy for that. Being uncomfortable does not make one a racist. Many people who grow up in an area that is not very diverse, might end up feeling uncomfortable around people of other races, regardless of the race. Next year, in Monument Valley, I might feel uncomfortable around someone from the UK :lol: - or not :lol: .

It's too bad Ford had to use Stewart's discomfort against him like he did. We're constantly reminded what a really nice guy Mr Ford was . . . NOT!!

Chester :newyear:

Until I bought the 5-movie boxed set that includes "Liberty" I'm ashamed to say, I had never seen it. I have a really close buddy who is a huge John Wayne fan, who still has never seen it, so he's coming over in the near future to rectify that...

Anyhow, until a year or so ago, when I got the boxed set, I'd never seen it. Up until that time Rio Bravo had been my favorite John Wayne western, but after I saw Liberty, I've changed that opinion!!!!!!!

I think everyone LOVES the Duke because of his "standard" role of a good guy. Usually rough and/or stern, and sometimes gritty, I admit, but the Duke was always clearly a good guy. The two exceptions that leap to mind are his role in the Searchers and this one in Liberty. Granted, neither role was a villian, but they were decidedly dark, and I never have been able to get myself to like the Searchers. (I think it's the combination of dark role for the Duke, and the "artistic" shooting of the film. - It may win critical acclaim, but it's just not my style of western...) But when I watched Liberty, WOW!!

The Duke was showing he wasn't just a "one-role" actor who reprised the same role in movie after movie. Although some of his critics claim that's true, clearly, these other roles show that's wrong. Obviously, the Duke knew the kind of role that most of his fans wanted him to play, and that may have fit well with is personality, but it was equally obvious he was a very capable actor, when you see him fulfill roles that are different with such aplomb.

Anyway, I liked just about every angle of Liberty. The acting by all the roles, including (especially?) the supporting cast was excellent, with the possible exception of Lee VanCleef being a little over-the-top, which still worked, though, considering the main part of the movie was a "reminiscence" by Senator Ransom Stoddard to a newspaper man. (Hence we can tell ourselves that the characature-like aspects of VanCleef's role was added to the story by Stoddard as he was telling it to the newspaper man.)

The prop department, as well, pulled out all the stops. I really liked the cheap, small-frame top-break revolver that they dug up to give to Ranse to go up against Liberty. For us firearms-guys, that just underlined the juxtaposition of Ranse trying to go up against a villian. Also, can't deny the fun/neat aspect of the "shooting lesson" that Duke gave Jimmy Stewart that involved that revolver.

Filled with outstanding performances throughout and an interesting and catchy plot/story-line, as well as great sets and props, it is definitely my new favorite John Wayne movie.

To me, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence (John Ford, 1962) is the best film that Wayne ever starred in (even better than the unforgettable yet flawed The Searchers) and one of my top-five all-time Westerns.

I also think that Wayne offers his best, most complex and intricate performance, more understated than Ethan Edwards in The Searchers and Tom Dunson in Red River (which are powerful performances in their own right), but highly underrated for that reason. To quote myself about the Duke's character in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence:

Tom Doniphon may be Wayne's most complex character, tough, unafraid, and impeccably competent, but weary, fatalistic, melancholic, and ultimately depressed, self-destructive, and tragic. I don't think that he's "cocky" at all. In fact, from the second that he arrives on screen, we know that he's a forlorn figure, and most striking of all, we can sense that he knows it, too. As such a rugged, independent Westerner, he just doesn't quite have what it takes to succeed in romance, especially when compared to an articulate Eastern lawyer and future senator like Ranse Stoddard. Ultimately, Doniphon's stubborn, gritty, and autonomous brand of masculinity does him in.

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Hi

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Willis Boucey James Stewart Joseph Hoover Vera Miles and Andy Devine one of the opening scenes in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

A great film.

Regards

Arthur

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Confrontation 1

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Confrontation continued

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Doniphon about to humiliate Stoddard

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A portrait photograph of John Wayne

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Three Masters of their craft James Stewart, John Ford & John Wayne

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I have to say this is one of my favorites... especially since I'm also a James Stewart fan. Just watched his Winchester '73 film this afternoon and reminded me of this movie he made with the Duke.

I just got through watching this film and here are a few random thoughts.

The story is good, but the leads are really a bit too old for their parts. I had trouble believing that the Duke was a young rancher although he did great in his part.

Also the format and texture of this film struck as if it was once intended for the stage as the musical score is very sparse and it's lacking that splashy Ford signature.

I did have a blast spotting all the familiar faces... Jack Pennick was a nice surprise. Woody Strode was excellent in his role and he brought a quite dignity to his role that played well off of Duke.

Once again, I felt that Duke should have beat the hell out of Valance and just when Valance looks like he's getting the upper hand Ranse could have shot him. But that's just me.

Over all this is a great collaboration between Pappy and Duke... all it was missing was Ward Bond.

I see some members in recent posts and threads(not just this one) are wondering about the theme music which plays several times in TMWSLV. Well pilgrims that music is an old time piece dating back to the civil war and quite possibly further yet.
The piece is titled "The Dew Is On The Blossom" !!!!!

Regards
Ethan

Isnt part of the music the same that was used in Young Lincoln with Henry Fonda?


Mike

Yes, Your exactly right !!!!! It also plays in " The Horse Soldiers" and a few others which rite now I'm at a loss to remember.

Regards
Ethan

Thanks for info Ethan

Watching that documenatary on Ford actually taught me something!!

Mike

This is a great movie with John Wayne playing arguably his most tragic character. Its clear from the outset of the film that Doniphan is not the traditional hero but someone who has little interest in maintaining law and order and who is more interested in their own personal affairs.

The black and white cinematography adds the necessary soberness and moodiness to the film and the film boasts many classic scenes not least the flashback within the flashback.

Overall I believe this movie is as close to perfection as a movie can get although its just not quite as good as the Searchers.
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Just finished watching this movie on TCM and I was wondering if I was the only one who thinks this.

In the flashback sequence when Tom is telling Ransom that he didn't kill Valance, it looked like Ransom got off his shot before Tom did. I haven't put this in slo-mo yet, but I was wondering if anyone else noticed this or if I might have missed this topic in another thread.

Your absolutely right... Ransom did fire the first shot but remember, he was a bad shot and missed Valance. A second after Ransom (Stewart) fired Liberty (Lee Marvin) and Tom (John Wayne) fired second, simultaneously. See below:

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Thanks DakotaSurfer, I had not taken into account that Ransom was such a bad shot and great stills by the way.

Remember when Wayne found out Ransom was practicing, he took him to his place and shot the paint cans and got Ransom full of paint. Ransom couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. For the movie it would have been better if duke's shot was timed with Ransom's. But then Liberty wouldn't have gotten off a shot. I guess it's all in the script. And it did all happen in a split second.

Another question about this movie. In the scene where Liberty Valance just finishes robbing the passengers of the stagecoach and sends them on their way, he has the lead horses cut loose. What was the purpose of that?

I would reckon it was to prevent the stagecoach from getting into town too quickly and notifying the sheriff who would organise a posse after Liberty & the gang.


Mike

I would reckon it was to prevent the stagecoach from getting into town too quickly and notifying the sheriff who would organise a posse after Liberty & the gang.

Mike


Exactly, the number of horses in front of a stagecoach determined how long it would take. If it was a long trip they might even have 6 so they don't get tired too quickly and or course the stations they would stop at to change horses for fresh ones. If you ever watch Encore Westerns, or read True West magazine, Bob Boze Bell has a lot of interesting info on things just like this. The longer it took to get back to town the more time Liberty had to get back south of the picket wire. There is a flaw in many westerns on just how fast a stage could go when being chased. Those chase scenes are just for our entertainment. Most stagecoaches were robbed bandits waiting for them and shooting to frighten the horses and they were easily stopped by someone grabbing the bit on one of the lead horses.

I have Driven Both a 4 Up and a 6 Up Teams of Horses and it is Just that, Leading Horses, and when the Two leading Horses are turned by the Driver the Other Horses follow.
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When you cut loose the Two Leading Horses , the other horses are not trained to follow the Pull of the Rains as the Leading Horses Are !!!
:ohmy:
Chilibill
:cowboy:

Wow, you learn something new everyday. Never thought I might learn how to drive a team of six horses. :hyper:

Of course, Doing it, verses reading about it, may be a little different.

Chester :newyear:

I read a little blurb in the paper today that Lee Marvin died on this date in 1987. It was amazing to me he had been dead that long.

I always thought Marvin was a great villan as Liberty Valance. The scene where Edmund O'Brien goes into his dark newspaper office, lights the lamp and Marvin is standing there made me jump the first time I saw it.

I wasn't that wild about the film the first time I saw it but it has grown on me. It's Ford's last great film. My only complaint is that everyone in it is 20 years too old for his part.

I My only complaint is that everyone in it is 20 years too old for his part.

Can't agree with you. May be if it was real life - you might be right. But this dark and disillusioning Ford's masterpiece calls for older actors.

Regards,
Senta

Wow, you learn something new everyday. Never thought I might learn how to drive a team of six horses. :hyper:

Of course, Doing it, verses reading about it, may be a little different.

Chester :newyear:I gotta agree with you there. I never knew why they cut those lead horses loose until now.

Arthur,

Those advertising cards/posters (you shared them on page 3 of this thread) are really neat.

I thought I'd finished placing posters in the 60s Westerns, but it seems I missed this one, so here it is now :wink_smile: -

2085

Not a bad movie, although it should have been filmed in colour and on location. Some of the acting was over the top, especially from Andy Devine and John Carradine. Only Duke coulod have played Tom Doniphan, I just wish they had used a younger actor than Stewart to play the young lawyer.

5/10.

Here is an example of the book from the movie. Enjoy!

Mark

http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/2147fa235230009.jpg

It's the movie press kit posters first released in Japan 1962.
http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/10864814198fc1a62.jpg
http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/1086481419b609138.jpg
H.sanada

On my slow road of discovery through the films of Mr. Wayne, I have just for the first time crossed paths with this strangely moving piece of filmmaking. This is the sixth John Wayne film I have watched in the past month, which began after I realized that I have foolishly been shunning his body of work for no good reason at all. Each film I have viewed has been a revelation, delivering the goods on both an entertainment and emotional level.

I just received Paramount's Century Collection boxed set, and I have begun digging in. I watched the Shootist first, which I greatly enjoyed, even though it was a bittersweet farewell to the Duke and left me a little sad at the end. I followed up with The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and was absolutely blown away by it, and it has been lingering in my mind for the past few nights. It really left its mark on me. A real heartbreaking story. So many great stars and memorable faces in this picture. So many talented individuals the likes of which we'll never see again.

Of the 6 Wayne films I have seen thus far, Liberty Valance, like the man himself, pushes and shoves its way to near the top of my list of favorites, right up there with The Searchers and The Cowboys. I have liked everything I have seen thus far, and I plan on continuing with my next film tomorrow night, although I haven't decided which one to view yet (thinking about Island in the Sky...).

A near perfect 10 in my book.

Hi Zodiac

Welcome to the Forum. Great choices of movies glad you are enjoying them.

Best

Mike

This movie has been without a doubt one of my all time favorite John Wayne movies. I was so happy that it was filmed in black and white. It was my Dad's favorite.

i liked this movie but i still wish Duke would have got the girl. i mean i know it wouldnt have been as good but i would have liked it. i am a BIG Jimmy Stewart fan so that being said it was kinda cool to see him get the girl over Duke!

This is just a nice piece about and by Lee Marvin he died 21 years ago August 29.
http://culturepulp.typepad.com/culturepulp/2008/08/elk-hunting-with-lee-marvin.html

Hi May2

I cant get your link. Is this it? http://culturepulp.typepad.com/


Mike

That's it.

this story was heartbreaking - john wayne was mean, moody and magnificent and i can t believe she chose james stewart over him
i liked the way the story was told retrospectively and the fact that it was in black and white made it all seem more tragic somehow
lee marvin was brilliant as liberty valance but it made me feel so sad when jw admitted he shot liberty valance to please hallie
all in all, i m not sure..... i kind of like my john wayne films to have happy endings and this one didnt
loved the line though: -
Maxwell Scott (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0949355/): No, sir. This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.

Maxwell Scott: No, sir. This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
Badger,
Here is our own dedicated thread:-
Pals Of The Saddle- Carleton Young (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=2046)

thanks for that ethan :teeth_smile:

This is one of my top all time favorite films of the Duke's. It's so beautifully filmed.

It's been mentioned before in this thread,
about the Gene Pitney song, that never made the film.

Here it is:-

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http://moviecitynews.com/columnists/wilmington/2009/090519dvd.html

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (Two Discs) (Four Stars)
U. S.; John Ford, 1962 (Paramount)

John Ford’s last great Western is a visually spare masterpiece about the new and old frontiers, a classic mostly unappreciated in its day. And it boasts the "Casablanca” of movie Western ensemble casts, a remarkable gallery topped by friendly movie legends James Stewart and John Wayne.

Stewart is Ranse Stoddard, an idealistic eastern attorney at law, who listens to Horace Greeley, and “goes west” to the wide-open town of Shinbone, where he discovers danger and destiny -- and then returns years later for the funeral of an old friend. Wayne plays that departed friend: Tom Doniphon, a boisterous but fair-minded horse rancher, ace fast-draw gunman and Ranse’s sometimes unwilling guardian angel. Also in Shinbone: Vera Miles as Hallie, “prettier than a cactus rose,” caught between Ranse and Tom, a strong woman who learns how to read and sees the wilderness grow into a garden. Lee Marvin is Liberty Valance, the cattlemen’s demonic enforcer, gunslinger and murderer. Edmond O‘Brien is the drunken but eloquent newspaper editor, Dutton Peabody. They’re all fantastic, at or near their very best.

The lusty supporting ensemble, including the remnants of Ford’s classic repertory company, has Andy Devine as the cowardly, free-loading Marshall Linc Appleyard, Strother Martin and Lee Van Cleef as Liberty‘s violent “myrmidons,” John Carradine as the cattlemen’s mouthpiece, Denver Pyle, Anna Lee, Ken Murray, O. Z. Whitehead -- and Carleton Young as the pushy new editor with a narrator’s voice of doom, who demands an explanation for Ranse’s presence at Tom’s funeral, and becomes privy to a shocking, poignant confession.

Liberty Valance is practically a Western noir, shot in sometimes noirish black and white, with few landscape scenes and mostly interiors. And it’s framed as a crime-story murder mystery that finally reveals the deceptive underpinnings of our social fabric and national mythos. That’s “reveals,” remember. Ford’s stubborn detractors often scoff at the matchless Western-maker for the scene here where Young tears up his story, explaining “This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend“ -- completely forgetting that Ford has just “printed the fact” to all of us, exposing the conventional history of Ranse and Valance as a lie and the editor as a cover-up artist.

Although much of Liberty Valance, is a boisterous, rollicking Wild West tale, done in a rambunctious, unbuttoned, and often highly theatrical performance style, it turns into one of the saddest Westerns ever made, as elegiac as Ford‘s How Green Was My Valley. I cried the first time I saw it, right at the moment when Willis Bouchey‘s effusive train conductor proclaims “Nothing‘s too good for the man who shot Liberty Valance!” and passenger Jimmy Stewart, giving a last dark look at his lost past, shakes out the flaming match in his hand. I still do.

Extras: Commentary by Peter Bogdanovich, including audio interviews with Wayne and Stewart; documentary; trailer; picture galleries.

Great movie! However, I really hate to see the Duke not get the girl by losing out to
R. Stoddard. The coffin scene is quite depressing.

I like all movies and have seen quite a few in my time and can't help but notice that some pay homage to earlier films.
Case in point (that's my Rod Serling impersonation) is Back to the Future Part III. Marty is zapped back to the old west and his nemesis Biff is now Buford "Mad Dog" Tannen. Thomas Wilson plays him exactly like Lee Marvin in Liberty Valance, complete with a quirt. I recall being highly amused seeing it with my kids at the time - enough so that they had to watch Liberty at a tender age when we got home.
Harry Carey, Jr., Dub Taylor and Pat Buttram didn't hurt either.


We deal in lead, friend.

Just a short note.
Liberty Valance is on TCM today at 3pm.

"That's my steak, Valance". Sorry, had to get that out of my system.
The film just came on TCM.




We deal in lead, friend.

" I'm ..I'm.. what else am I? Town drunk? " I love that line.

I just watched it again last night, and yes the "town drunk" line is a beauty is'nt it. I think they were all pretty good were'nt they, and i saw some new stuff i hadnt picked up before as well.

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Wow! Great shot of Duke, Denver Pyle, Lee Van Cleef and Strother Martin.

Love that off handed kick to the chin that Wayne delivers to Martin.



We deal in lead, friend.

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What was Tom Donophins life after Stoddard and Hallie left for Washington? I know it does not give any clues in the movie, but I read somewhere that he became homeless. He must have had no money if the County was paying for his funeral. Did he become a man who gave up on life?

What was Tom Donophins life after Stoddard and Hallie left for Washington? I know it does not give any clues in the movie, but I read somewhere that he became homeless. He must have had no money if the County was paying for his funeral. Did he become a man who gave up on life?

It's certainly implied that he pressed the self destruct button, perhaps hitting the drink pretty hard; it is interesting to notes that he does seem to have accepted some of Stoddard views as in his later life he no longer wore a gun.

Pretty much what Robbie said. After Hallie left he never recovered and went to a pit of self destruction and most likely died a bitter and lonely man.

In the scene where Tom tells Ranse it was him who killed Valance, his look is rather unkempt, unshaven and his clothes grimy. And as he leaves he walks with a shuffle of low esteem as opposed to his swagger in the begining scenes of the movie giving the viewer the impression he gave up on life and no longer cared. I think this movie is where Wayne projects raw emotion right up there next to Ethan Edwards in The Searchers. Seems Ford had a way to bring out the best in Duke.

I think all the recent posts, sum up what happened to him in the end!

Yes, based on the context I've always believed Tom wound up the town drunk.

Watched this movie again on AMC today. It's the only JW movie that makes me cry every time. Such a sad story......

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I am new to the site, but I had to read all 10 pages about this movie on here.

It is one of my most favorite movies of all time. There are stories inside of stories along with many different struggles.

For instance, the story of westward expansion. Territories being settled and struggling to attain statehood. People are trying to scratch out a life for themselves on the frontier. Dealing with cattle barons and the roughest, toughest men/thieves around. Soon to follow all of them is the railroad and their adaption to becoming civilized and educated.

It depicts a time when our country was still young and struggling to grow. A time that saw the wild west being tamed.

In this movie, you have the classic struggles of Man vs. Man, himself and the environment(nature) in which he has chosen to try and settle.

Ransom was struggling with himself and the culture shock of landing in a God forsaken place after following "Go west young man". Plus, the struggle he has with Liberty. One man representing the yester years; the other man representing the change in times and the future.

Doniphon was tough enough to make it there along the Picket wire. He could care less about books and politics. He had everything thought out on how it was going to be...ranch...wife..etc. Never expected to be thrust into making Ransom Stoddard a legend and losing the lady to boot.

But that love is what led to him finally shooting Liberty. The shot that brought down Liberty all so brought down himself. He killed Liberty and soon he was dead inside once it became clear he had lost Hallie. He was unselfish in his love for her and put her happiness before his.

With the death of Liberty Valance came the hero Ransom Stoddard. People were not living in fear anymore. Ransom struggles again with himself. He does not see himself as a hero and realizes he did not practice what he had preached. He did not bring Liberty to justice. He had dealt with him the way Doniphon had told him too...with force. The way things were dealt with in the territory.

Ransom further struggles with seeing himself as a representative for the people of the territory merely for gunning down Valance. Again acting unselfishly, Doniphon sets the record straight and lets him know he shot Liberty Valance. He then tells Stoddard to go back inside and answer his call of duty. Accept the nomination; get statehood for the territory and make it a good place to settle down with Hallie.

I really could write more but must leave. Sorry it is so long. So much is happening in this film.

I hope the description of James being uncomfortable around black cast members isn't true as for me he's one of the finest actors ever and whatever way you want to look at it that is racist, especially if he had problems talking to them. I love Duke and I don't consider him racist at all but if Stewart held that opinion then it was rather outdated at the time. He was such an incredible war hero aswell

As Jimmy Stewart westerns are being discussed,
perhaps a good time to bump these to the top

First, welcome to Donipon! I am new here myself. I enjoyed reading your description of Tom's feelings.

As for Jimmy's problems with blacks, Irish Duke...I had never heard that. But that was the movie that made him (in Duke's opinion), one of the gang. Halfway through the filming, Duke told Jimmy that everyone is always at the bottom of the barrel with Ford at some time but that Jimmy never had been. The story began circulating around the set, and Jimmy, (who told this story in an interview about Ford), began to feel quite cocky about it. So, two days before the end of shooting, Ford called Jimmy aside and asked him what he thought of Woody Strode's "costume". Jimmy drawled out, "Well, it looks a little Uncle Remussy to me". Ford stopped everything, had all climb down and gather close and told everyone what Jimmy had said. He went on to say something to the effect that he didn't know what kind of prejudices our star had or why, but he just thought that everyone should know about it.
Jimmy was floored, and of course, extremely embarrassed as Ford went on about making his movie. Duke went up to Jimmy and said, "Well, Jimmy, ya finally made it. Ya really did. And I'm glad!" Quote may be a little off as it is from memory, and I am old! Perhaps that is where the "rumor" came from. Anyway, I hope so, because I am a great Stewart fan myself!
KPKEITH


I hope the description of James being uncomfortable around black cast members isn't true as for me he's one of the finest actors ever and whatever way you want to look at it that is racist, especially if he had problems talking to them. I love Duke and I don't consider him racist at all but if Stewart held that opinion then it was rather outdated at the time. He was such an incredible war hero aswell

Thought I'd toss in these.
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You may notice that some of the writing is Hispanic. I got some of these from Columbia - the country, not the studio.
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"That's MY steak, Valance"http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u401/billohara7/north%20to%20alaska/File66_zps9db0bc15.jpg

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A publicity pose.
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A John Wayne classic pose!
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You may notice that some of the writing is Hispanic. I got some of these from Columbia - the country, not the studio.
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One of my favorites from the movie. Great shot of Lee Van Cleef, Strother Martin and Lee Marvin ;-))

All are great shots and love the last two. Both would be great images for movie posters and T-shirts ;-))

A John Wayne classic pose!
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As far as I am concerned, only Hoss Cartwright could pull it off with one of those hats, LOL. I am amazed that Duke let them make him wear it! KEITH

Now THAT is COOL! KEITH



A publicity pose.
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A publicity pose.
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Wow that is a corker!!

I'm def coming over to help out with the 'sorting'! :wink_smile:

Ladyhawk, now you're just copying me, lol!
Both our posts loaded at the same time, great minds!

Great stills, well done Bill