FORT APACHE

PRODUCED BY JOHN FORD and MERIAN C. COOPER
DIRECTED BY JOHN FORD
MUSIC BY RICHARD HAGEMAN
AN ARGOSY PICTURES PRODUCTION
RKO RADIO PICTURES

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INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary

In John Ford's sombre exploration of THE FETTERMAN MASSACRE OF 1866 mythologising of American heroes,
he slowly reveals the character of Owen Thursday,
who sees his new posting to the desolate Fort Apache as a chance to claim the military honour which he believes is rightfully his.
Arrogant, obsessed with military form and ultimately self-destructive,
Thursday attempts to destroy the Indian warrior Cochise after luring him across the border from Mexico.

Summary by Bernard Keane

Writing credits (in alphabetical order)
James Warner Bellah story Massacre
Frank S. Nugent

Full Cast

John Wayne .... Capt. Kirby York
Henry Fonda .... Lt. Col. Owen Thursday
Shirley Temple .... Philadelphia Thursday
Pedro Armendáriz .... Sgt. Beaufort (as Pedro Armendariz)
Ward Bond .... Sgt. Maj. Michael O'Rourke
George O'Brien .... Capt. Sam Collingwood
Victor McLaglen .... Sgt. Festus Mulcahy
Anna Lee .... Mrs. Emily Collingwood
Irene Rich .... Mrs. Mary O'Rourke
Dick Foran .... Sgt. Quincannon
Guy Kibbee .... Capt. Dr. Wilkens
Grant Withers .... Silas Meacham
Jack Pennick .... Sgt. Daniel Schattuck
Ray Hyke .... Lt. Gates (Adjutant)
Movita .... Guadalupe (Col. Thursday's cook)
Miguel Inclán .... Cochise (as Miguel Inclan)
Mary Gordon .... Ma (barmaid)
Philip Kieffer .... Cavalryman (as Philip Keiffer)
Mae Marsh .... Mrs. Gates
Hank Worden .... Southern recruit
John Agar .... 2nd Lt. Michael Shannon O'Rourke
rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Cliff Clark .... Stage driver (uncredited)
Frank Ferguson .... Newspaperman (uncredited)
Francis Ford .... Fen (stage guard) (uncredited)
William Forrest .... Reporter (uncredited)
Fred Graham .... Cavalryman (uncredited)
Frank McGrath .... Cpl. Derice (bugler) (uncredited)
Mickey Simpson .... NCO at dance (uncredited)
Harry Tenbrook .... Tom O'Feeney (courier) (uncredited)
Archie Twitchell .... Reporter (uncredited)

Cinematography by
Archie Stout
William H. Clothier (uncredited)

Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Lowell J. Farrell .... assistant director (as Lowell Farrell)
Cliff Lyons .... second unit director (uncredited)
Jack Pennick .... assistant director (uncredited)

Stunts

Frank Baker .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Carson .... stunts (uncredited)
John Epper .... stunts (uncredited)
Richard Farnsworth .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Graham .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Ben Johnson .... stunts (uncredited)
Walt La Rue .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Frank McGrath .... stunts (uncredited)
Gil Perkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Bob Rose .... stunts (uncredited)
Danny Sands .... stunts (uncredited)
Barlow Simpson .... stunts (uncredited)
Jack Williams .... stunts (uncredited)
Henry Wills .... stunts (uncredited)



Filming Locations

Corriganville, Ray Corrigan Ranch, Simi Valley, California, USA

Dead Horse Point State Park - State Highway 313, Moab, Utah, USA

Goosenecks State Park - State Highway 316, Mexican Hat, Utah, USA

Kanab, Utah, USA

Monument Valley, Utah, USA

Selznick International Studios - 9336 Washington Blvd, Culver City, California, USA
(studio)

Trivia

* The Western Fort, built for this production, stood for years. It was reused in dozens of productions. It was located at the Corriganville Movie Ranch in Simi Valley, Ventura County California.
Today it is possible to visit this location as it is now administered as a City Park in Simi Valley.

* The plot for this movie was loosely based on Custer's Last Stand with Thursday as Custer and substituting Apaches for the Sioux. The cover-up by the survivors and the military of Thursday's blunder is in line with the cover up of Custer's mistakes and deliberate disobedience of his orders at Little Big Horn.

* Shirley Temple and 'John Agar' were married at the time the movie was made,
but went through a highly publicized divorce complete with allegations of spousal abuse infidelity and alcoholism a couple of years later.

Goofs

* Continuity: When Capt. York talks to Lt. Col. Thursday at the first time, he tries to take off the glove from his left hand. The next shot shows him holding the glove off.

* Continuity: When Lt. Michael O'Rourke and Philadelphia goes riding, they stop for while with a high and peaked boulder on their left-hand side. In the next shot, when they renew to ride, seen away from the other side, the boulder has changed to a large and low one.

* Continuity: During the battle, when York rides toward Thursday, his saber hangs from the saddle. But when he dismounts the saber is held in his waist.

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Memorable Quotes

Lt. Col. Thursday: Pour me a drink of that scripture.

Captain Yorke: The Sioux once raided into Apache territory. Old-timers told me you can follow the line of their retreat by the bones of their dead.

Lt. Col. Thursday: I suggest the Apache had deteriorated since then, judging by a few of the specimens I have seen on the way out here.
Captain Yorke: Well, if you saw them, sir, they weren't Apaches.

[Beaufort is addressing a group of new recruits]
Sgt. Johnny Beaufort: Did any of you men serve in the Confederate army during the late unpleasantness?
Recruit: Yes sir. I had the honor of serving with General Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Sgt. Johnny Beaufort: I would like to shake your hand. You are now an acting corporal. I hope you have the honor of buying me a drink on your next payday.

Lt. Col. Thursday: Sergeant Major, are you by chance related to Lt. O'Rourke?
RSM Michael O'Rourke: Not by chance, sir, by blood. He is my son.
Lt. Col. Thursday: Are you a former officer, Sergeant Major?
RSM Michael O'Rourke: Yes, sir. During the war I was a major with the 69th New York; The Irish Brigade.
Lt. Col. Thursday: Still; how did your son get into West Point?
RSM Michael O'Rourke: It was by presidential appointment, sir.
Lt. Col. Thursday: I was under the impression that presidential appointments were reserved for the sons of men who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor.
RSM Mchael O'Rourke: That is my impression as well, sir. Anything else, sir?

Captain Yorke: Beaufort speaks Spanish and my Apache has its limits. Besides, Beaufort was an officer under Jeb Stuart during the war.
Lt. Col. Thursday: Hmm. I remember "Kaydet" Stuart.
Captain Collingwood: Indeed.
Lt. Col. Thursday: What was that, Captain?
Captain Collingwood: I said 'indeed', Colonel.

[the sergeants are watching Lt. O'Rourke attempt to drill new recruits]
RSM Michael O'Rourke: How's the boy doing, Festus?
First Sgt. Festus Mulcahy: Michael, Lt. O'Rourke is an officer and a gentleman; but that is no job for a gentleman.
RSM Michael O'Rourke: Well. (walks over to Lt. O'Rourke) Excuse me, sir; would Lt. O'Rourke join me at the stables?

Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: Captain York, send out a detail the recover the bodies and repair the telegraph line.
Captain Yorke: Yes, sir. Sergeant Major. Assemble B Troop...
Lt. Col. Thursday: A company? I said a detail. An officer and four men.
Captain Yorke: An officer and four men, I will command...
Lt. Col. Thursday: Lt. O'Rourke will command.
Captain Yorke: Lt. O'Rourke will command. Have the men draw sixty rounds per rifle...
Lt. Col. Thursday: That's a lot of ammunition for men who've been trained to shoot. Thirty will be sufficient.
Captain Yorke: ...thirty will be sufficient and eighteen rounds per revolving pistol. Ask for volunteers.
RSM O'Rourke: Sir, request permission to volunteer.
Lt. Col. Thursday: Permission denied. Gather the men Sergeant Major.
RSM O'Rourke: (speaking to his son outside) Mickey, you know what's expected of you.
2nd Lt. Michael O'Rourke: Sure, Dad. (leaves the office)
RSM O'Rourke: (to his orderlies) Find Mulcahy and Shaddock, get Quincannon from the guardhouse,
and go to the stables and get Johnny Reb. Tell them they've all volunteered for a very dangerous assignment.
Tell them the regiment is proud of them. Now, get going, the whole of you.

Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: Captain Yorke; you spoke of forming a platoon from B Troop? Collingwood,
do you recall the paper Captain Robert E. Lee presented at West Point on the use of the trap as a military manuever?
I'm not of the popular opinion of Captain Lee's tactical brilliance, but that paper impressed me; particularly the manuever used by Genghis Khan at the Battle of Kinshee. Ah, you still here, Captain?
Captain Yorke: No, sir. (starts to leave)
Lt. Col Thursday: What, no argument, Captain?
Captain Yorke: No sir, not this time.

Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: Sergeant Major, sound officer's call.
Regimental Sergeant Major O'Rourke: Officer's call, sir?
Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: How long have you been in the army, Sergeant Major?
Regimental Sergeant Major O'Rourke: The American army, sir? Sixteen years, sir.
Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: Then you know what officer's call is.
[to the bugler]
Regimental Sergeant Major O'Rourke: Sound officer's call.

Captain Yorke: Upon reporting to a new post, each officer is to present his card to the commanding officer at the earliest convenience.
2nd Lt. Michael O'Rourke: The officer is also to leave cards for each female member of the commanding officer's family.
Philadelphia Thursday: So, that's all this is? A duty call?
Captain Yorke: Of course, there's nothing in the regulations that says the commanding officer's daughter should receive the card while in her nightdress.
Philadelphia Thursday: Nightdress? This is a dressing gown.
[turns to O'Rourke]
Philadelphia Thursday: Isn't it?
2nd Lt. Michael O'Rourke: I wouldn't know, ma'am.

[Lt. O'Rourke is being introduced to Philadelphia Thursday]
First Sergeant Mulcahy: Miss, allow me to present my godson, "Leftenant" Michael O'Rourke. Many's the time he's come to me with a runny nose.

[the officers are discussing how Philadelphia got her name]
Captain Collingwood: Philadelphia, were you born in Philadelphia?
Philadelphia Thursday: No, I was born in New York City. I was named after my mother.
Captain Collingwood: Oh, then she was born in Philadelphia.
Philadelphia Thursday: No, she was born in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. She was named after her mother; she was the first Philadelphia.
Captain Collingwood: Oh, then she was...
Philadelphia Thursday: No, Provincetown, Massachusetts.

Ft. Apache sentry: Halt! Who goes there?
Sgt. Johnny Beaufort: New commanding officer.
Ft. Apache sentry: Holy Moses!
Sgt. Johnny Beaufort: No, the new commanding officer.

Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: Where is Captain Yorke?
Captain Yorke: Here, sir. Welcome, to Fort Apache, General Thursday.
Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: A man's rank is what he's paid on, Captain. I'm paid at the rank of Lt. Colonel.
Captain Yorke: My apologies, Colonel. I remembered you as a general during the war.

[Thursday has decided to die with his men rather than face disgrace]
Lt. Col. Thursday: I'll trouble you for your sabre, Captain.
Captain Yorke: But, sir...
Lt. Col. Thursday: When you command this regiment; and you probably will, command it! (rides off)
Captain Yorke: Yes, sir.

Newspaper reporter: Have you seen the painting of 'Thursday's Last Stand'?
Captain Yorke: Yes, I saw it when last I was in Washington.
Newspaper reporter: [to other reporters] There were these massed columns of Apaches and Thursday and his men riding in among them!
Captain Yorke: [knowing what really happened] Correct in every detail.

Newspaper reporter: We always remember the Thursdays; but what about the other men who rode out that day; they're forgotten. Gates, Collingsworth...
Captain Yorke: Collingwood.
Newspaper reporter: Oh, right, Collingwood. But that's my point, no one remembers the Collingswoods.
Captain Yorke: You're wrong there. As long as the regiment lives, they'll live in its memory.

[Yorke has expressed doubts about Thursday's plan]
Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: There's no room in this command for cowards, Captain.
Captain Yorke: [angrily throws down his glove in front of Thursday] At your pleasure, Colonel!
Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: Bugler, pick up Captain Yorke's gauntlet. I'm no duelist,
Captain; when this is over I'll decide whether to answer you with pistols or a court martial.
You are relieved of command of your troop; go back and guard the supply train and take O'Rourke with you!

RSM Michael O'Rourke: What are the orders, Captain?
Captain Yorke: Full frontal attack by the entire regiment.
RSM Michael O'Rourke: The madman!
Captain Yorke: I've been relieved of my troop. I'm to guard the supply train and take O'Rourke with me.
RSM Michael O'Rourke: Thank you, sir.

[Yorke rides off]
Captain Yorke: Lieutenant, we are to go back and guard the supply train!
2nd Lt. Michael O'Rourke: But, sir...
First Sgt. Festus Mulcahy: Get goin', you young pup!
[O'Rourke rides after Yorke as the troopers start laughing]
First Sgt. Festus Mulcahy: Steady, men! You're followin' me now!

[Draws his sabre]
First Sgt. Festus Mulcahy: [having been told to destroy the contraband "whisky", and picking up a tin cup with his detail]
Well, boys, we've got a man's work ahead of us ...

INFORMATION IMDb

Hi,
It's very easy to review the Cavalry trilogy, because they're all great.
This being the first, set the standard, and it is a classic example of the genre.
Now regarded highly among fans all over.
John Ford set is stall out, with these pictures, and each one
is a masterpiece.
Duke was just brilliant as a cavalry officer, and if anyone looked the part, he did.
He was authoritative, strong, and what a fella you could depend on!
Ford lifted Duke's basic personality, into epic proportions, making
Kirby York- a knowledgeable frontiersman, forceful, yet human.
The role was, was one of Duke's most memorable screen portrayals.
Scriptwriter, Frank Nugent, declared,
Having Wayne, put his arm on your shoulder, is like having somebody dump a telephone pole on you.
With support from Henry Fonda, Ward Bond, Pedro, and the others
in Fords stock company, the ingredients were there for a great film.
Victor McLaglen is magic, and any Duke film featuring him,
was a sure fire winner.in fact every film he was in, was a winner!!!
Shirley Temple, well, she was OK, but a little weak.
However Ford, had the panache, to create, cavalrymen and women, with strength and dignity,
and gift of making their native American counterparts,honorable and justified in their grievances.
Great strory, a re-make of Custer, but who cares,
overall brilliant.
The film was commercial and critical success.
Rating 9/10

Keith,

You could not keep me out of talking about "Fort Apache" and the "Cavalry Trilogy" with a Big Stick!!! :D

It is hard to believe that it has been almost 60 years ago that this Film was done in the most part in Monument Valley. Most of you young people were not even here at that time, but I was and watched most of the filming. If you look very closely when the the Stunt Man is taking the Fall off of the Horse that almost Killed Him that young Kid right behind him is Yours Truly in my Staring Roll in the Film for about 5 Seconds! :fear2:

You did a great Job on your Review of "Fort Apache" and as I looked at the list of Players in the Film, does anyone know how many of them are still alive? :(

Here is a little Picture Story of "Fort Apache" that I put up a few months ago and maybe some of you might want to have another Look See. You can go to the Site Below and Just Keep Clicking NEXT. :rolleyes:

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Chilibill :cowboy:

Hi Bill

Doing a very rough check and concentrating on the stuntmen as most of the stars we know have passed on. I would say Movita is still with us and you and thats about it.

I'm not sure about Gill Perkins as he is a little bit obscure.

I'm sure someone will let us know if there are any more but as you say it was almost 60 years ago, and some of Fords 'stock company had been with him since the late 30s and early 40s.

Regards

Arthur

Maybe Shirley Temples acting was a little weak but, her looks were not. I think she was about 18 when this was made and she had turned into quite a good looking young woman. I noticed in the party scenes when the whole crowd does that march around the hall, she has a smile on her face like she was really having fun and enjoying it all. Everybody else had a serious expression but, not her.

Originally posted by William T Brooks@Jan 31 2006, 05:21 AM
. . . as I looked at the list of Players in the Film, does anyone know how many of them are still alive?
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Funny you should ask that, Bill. Just yesterday I was reading a news article on the web about Shirley Temple Black -

ASSOCIATED PRESS

12:20 a.m. January 30, 2006

LOS ANGELES – She's appeared in scores of movies and kept generations of children singing “On the Good Ship Lollipop” for more than 70 years. But Shirley Temple Black says her greatest role has been as a wife, mother and grandmother.

“There's nothing like real love. Nothing,” Black, 77, said backstage at the Screen Actors Guild Awards where she accepted a lifetime achievement award Sunday night.

She became an actress at age 3, went on to star in such films as “Curly Top,” “Little Miss Marker” and “The Bachelor and the Bobby Soxer,” then retired at age 21.

“I have one piece of advice for those of you who want to receive the lifetime achievement award. Start early,” she quipped.

After retiring from acting, Black entered politics, going on to hold several diplomatic posts, including U.S. ambassador to Ghana and Czechoslovakia.

“Politicians are actors too, don't you think,” she said of the transition. “Usually if you like people and you're outgoing, not a shy little thing, you can do pretty well in politics.”

Chester :newyear:

P.S. The picture is Shirley Temple Black about 6 or 7 years ago.

Hi Bill

To amend my previous Shirley Temple, Movita and yourself. Mind you you're in pretty good company.

Regards

Arthur

It has been almost 60 years ago that the Film "Fort Apache" was made in Monument Valley that is in Northern Arizona and Southern Utah. It was the First of what most people call the "Ford, Wayne Horse Soldier Trilogy."

In the 1940s there were Hundreds of Western films being done in Arizona, Utah, New Mexico and Colorado that is called "The Four Corners." Some of us Young Kids would go North in the Summer and make what we thought was Big Money for the times, as Extras in the films.

I had put this story up on "Duke Stories" a year or so ago, and maybe some of you might want to read it again. :rolleyes:

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Chilibill :cowboy:

Thanks, Chilibill, for putting that link in the correct forum! :D

This movie isn't as readily available as many, especially in DVD format. Deep Discount DVD doesn't seem to have it at all, and Amazon ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) only has it available through independent sellers, so free shipping is not an option.

Hopefully, it will be released soon.

Chester :newyear:

I see Fort Apache DVD is to be re released again on Region 2. Does anyone know whether the print used has been improved since last release as it was fairly poor.


Mike

I went to the video store to see if they carried Fort Apache. They had it but it was in color. I'm usually not to picky, but I didn't get it. Has anyone seen this in color?
I would think that would ruin it.

Originally posted by Harry00@May 17 2006, 10:40 AM
I went to the video store to see if they carried Fort Apache.* They had it but it was in color.* I'm usually not to picky, but I didn't get it.* Has anyone seen this in color?
I would think that would ruin it.
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To my knowledge, "Fort Apache" was filmed in black & white. What you may have found was a colorized version. I would almost always take the director's orginal intent in the way a movie was filmed - a colorized version of a black & white film would be distracting to me.
Cheers - Jay :D

It was done in Black and White to keep the cost down so they could have spend more on "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon." And then later "Rio Grande" in Black and White also so they would have more Money for "The Quiet Man." :angry:

It is too bad that they did not Shoot it in Color, Moab, Utah and Monument Valley are too Beautiful to be done in Black and White! :artist:

Chilibill :cowboy:

I am not much of a "Siskel and Ebert" purist...I enjoy the colorized versions. I have Fort Apache colorized, along with the colorized Tall in the Saddle, and Fighting Seabees. Tall in the Saddle was done the best, although Fort Apache is OK. I wouldn't be afraid of it. Its amazing what they were able to do through technology to colorize these.

GSP

I have not seen it in color I think it would be a cool new perspective .Anyway any John Wayne is better than no John Wayne. (I say)

Hello again. I didn't mean to sound like a purist snob or anything, it's just that I thought that making B&W films in color would be kind of strange. I don't know much about it. How do they know what color things are supposed to be? And why do they do it? I mean it seems to me to do that would be kind of expensive to reproduce something in color. I have no idea.

Im not to fussed about colourised movies most of them look washed out.

The best example I have seen is Red River which looks quite natural

I was just over on Amazon to recheck on when the John Ford-John Wayne Collection was coming out. I read about the Fort apache DVD and they will a feature on there called Monument Valley:John Ford Country and that the film itself will be digitally remastered from the original nitrate film elements. Sounds like it's going to look fabulous on screen.

Originally posted by WaynamoJim@May 27 2006, 09:21 PM
I was just over on Amazon to recheck on when the John Ford-John Wayne Collection was coming out. I read about the Fort apache DVD and they will a feature on there called Monument Valley:John Ford Country and that the film itself will be digitally remastered from the original nitrate film elements. Sounds like it's going to look fabulous on screen.
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I bet it will be. I'm going to order my copy along with Decision Before Dawn and Along Came Jones, on June 6th. :D

I am having trouble with all these DVD's that keep coming out, well not really. Its just so hard to keep up with all this stuff!!! I wish I could pace myself!!

I look forward to Fort Apache on DVD as the only copy I have is a DVD from Singapore I think. Its watchable but that's about it.

Does anyone here have an absolute favorite scene from this movie that tops everything else in the movie?

Reason I ask is that after buying the DvD of Fort Apache, and rewatching it a few times. This gave me a chance to REALLY look at some of the scenes more carefully and to watch the expressions on the faces of the actors in said scenes.

For instance, there are two scenes that really stand out for me in this fine movie.

1) The scene after the Cavalry had showed up at Mr. Meecham's trading post/reservation, in which the four Sergeants are ordered to not only destroy the Winchester Rifles but the crate with two kegs of frontier whiskey in it. Well, the scene that this is leading up to that i'm ranting about is the very next one where you see Sergeant Mulcahy in the Guardhouse. Sergeant Major Michael O'Roarke is rip-roaring mad as he arrives at the guardhouse and calls for the prisoners to be brought outside. I love it when he yells out to the now ex-sergeants.
PRIVATE MULCAHY......PRIVATE SHATTUCK.......PRIVATE QUINCANNON...AND PRIVATE BEAUFORT!!...............

Volunteers for the Manuer pile............. I just love watching the expression on Victor McLaglen's face during these scenes.

The 2nd scene:

2) This is just after the Colonel says: "I want two troops to the north and one to the east" and John Wayne says: "That's suicide Colonel." Col: "Captain York, you are relieved of command of your troop. I have no time for cowardice and you are to be with the wagon train in safety on the hill." (Or something similar to that) What I love about these scenes and that make it really stick out is watching the Duke's facial expressions at being surprised at being relieved of his command as well as being called a coward. The Duke's acting was so good that I thought that the dialog in this scene could have been improvised a bit because the Duke's reactions to what was said went from being merely frustrated with the Colonel to showing surprise to extreme anger.

Anyway, I can't have just one favorite scene from this movie but, the two listed above are my favorites. If anyone replies, i'd like to hear what your favorite scene(s) were and why?

Gosh, there's so many great scenes in Fort Apache, it's hard to pick out just one. But, here goes...

I really enjoy the scenes between Colonel Thursday and Sergeant Major O'Roarke. The ones in particular would be when Colonel Thursday says that is his impression that only sons of fathers who won the congressional medal of honor can go to west point, and the sergeant says back "that is my impression too".

And also where where the young 2nd Lt. Michael Shannon O'Roarke is out with Philadelphia on a ride, and you can feel the tension in the fort, as the lines of communication have been cut by the indians.

And lastly, the fact that the Colonel is constantly mixing up O'Roarke names with other Irish-like last names.

Just a great, great movie!

Where the young 2nd Lt. Michael Shannon O'Roarke is out with Philadelphia on a ride, the scenery is unreal!!!

I agree, those scenes you talk about were also great scenes. The comedy of that Guardhouse scene and Victor McLaglen really looking the part of being punished was really hilarious though.

Hi Ringo,
Why you are not redirect this thread to the movie descussions - the right place for that. And I also think it will be interesting to return and descuss all films from the new Wayne-Ford collection in their threads.
Regards,
Vera :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Senta@Jul 6 2006, 01:32 AM
Hi Ringo,
Why you are not redirect this thread to the movie descussions - the right place for that. And I also think it will be interesting to return and descuss all films from the new Wayne-Ford collection in their threads.
Regards,
Vera :rolleyes:
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Hi Senta, that never occurred to me. I had completely forgotten about those sections. :headbonk: :D Thanks for the reminder my dear. :) Also, I guess I do have a lame excuse for forgetting. Out of the last nine DvD's I bought, only three of them were John Wayne movies. :blink: 1) Tall In the Saddle, 2) Fort Apache, 3) and I forgot the title to the third one :rolleyes:

Take care and Cheers_- C.

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Goosenecks State Park is a state park in the state of Utah in the United States. It overlooks a deep meander of the San Juan River. Millions of years ago, the Monument Upwarp forced the river to carve incised meanders over 1,000 feet (305 meters) deep as the surrounding landscape slowly rose in elevation. Eroded by water, wind, frost, and gravity, this is truly a magnificent viewpoint.

Keith;

I hate to keep "Stepping On Your Spurs," :angry: But the Biggest part of Monument Valley is in Arizona and just a Few of the Smaller Butts are in Utah, the Biggest Part of Monument Valley in Utah is just North of Sentinel Mesa and is mostly flat and runs almost to the Town of Mexican Hat in Utah. :huh:

I Hate to say it but most the people that Do These Storys have never been to the Southwestern part of the U.S. Much Less To Monument Valley. :(

It does not much difference any how as the Navajos say that they are a Nation, and have their Police, Laws and Government that you must Live by when you are on their Land. They say that Monument Valley is in The Navajo Nation!!! :D

Go to the Map Below and it Will show you the where every thing is in Monument Valley. :rolleyes:


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Bill :cowboy:

Hi Bill,

If you click on the link,
it does indeed say Arizona/Utah???

Last night must have been John Wayne night on TCM. I saw this one and She Wore A Yellow ribbon.

Victor McLaglen and Ward Bond are by far my favorite characters in Duke's movies.

Glad to hear that Fort Apache has been remastered and there is a documentary with it. I must check out price on play.com.

Mike

Here we are almost 50 years after the Film "Fort Apache" was Filmed in Monument Valley, Arizona and parts of Utah here in the Southwest, and we are still talking about the Film and Duke. :)

John Ford Filmed the Movie in Monument Valley because He wanted the look of the Wide-Open Spaces that the Valley has. :D

The Real "Fort Apache" is about 170 miles South of Monument Valley in what is called The White Mountains in Eastern Arizona at over 7000 ft. altitude and in one of the Largest Pine Forest in the U.S. and just a Few Miles Southwest of Duke's 26 Bar Ranch. :cowboy:

If you would like to see what the Real "Fort Apache" looks like Now, You can Go To The Site Below and then Click The Walking Tour. :rolleyes:

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Chilibill :cowboy:

Wonderful post Bill,
and thanks for the link

Hello All

Watched Fort Apache again tonight. Have to say out of the cavalery trilogy or quartet if you include Horse Soldiers that it is my least favourite.

The first half of the movie is very slow. Even the Ford humour elements are tired and a little trying and I just get the feeling that they are going round the same part of Monument Valley over and over again.

It is also pulled down by the cold unpleasant martinet role that Fonda is playing.

Admittedly, the second half flows much better and pulls the movie towards a satisfying conclusion.

Maybe its the subservient role that Wayne plays as Capt Yorke that is why I am not particularly fussed on the movie.

This is an opinion I have had from a number of viewings of this movie so I guess it wont change.



Mike

Hi Dukepilgrim
your opinion is right, I think so,too.
In "Fort Apache",Henry Fonda is STAR.
But Real Star is horse solders and ther Home warming world too!
I like this movie to much.
and the song "Oh,Dem Golden Slippers" is Cheerful,isn't it?
this song was used "My Darling Clementine" and "Young Mr, Lincoln".
I want to Know other movies use this song,
Please teach me movie titles.

It's funny, I can take to Henry Fonda in Young Mr Lincoln and Grapes of Wrath but was not fussed on him in Fort Apache or My Darling Clementine.

Mister Roberts was another movie I thought he was a sour puss in because he had done the role on Broadway for so long and thought he couldnt be faulted.

I suspect John Wayne did Fort Apache as a favour to Ford.

Ford tended to use a lot of traditional songs in his movies and they turn up all over the place.


Mike


Mike

Frankly speaking, Fort Apache may be non-western,of course not Duke's western,
but it 's fascination is discribtion of heartwarming cavaley life.
that's a home dorama !
and bringing them to ruin,in other words,tragedy
of glory cavaley.

To Henry Fonda, I just apply a word "STAR" to the leading actor.
not a shade of meaning for"take to"or "fused".

Just watched "Fort Apache" last weekend, I think it's a great movie. I think as far as the Cavalry/Indian War movies, "Rio Grande" is my favorite (Mainly because of the character played by Ben Johnson and the pairing of Duke and Maureen), but this one comes in a close second. The films that make up the Cavalry Trilogy never make my list of top westerns - that is to say, they're not films I pick when I'm in the mood for a western, but they are three of the best historical-fiction flicks ever! Duke, despite the top billing, plays a supporting role...but what a strong supporting role it is. Kirby York is one of my favorite characters that Duke played. And, the main reason I've always liked it is because the Indians get to win one! Great movie!

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One of the best known views of the film.


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Arthur

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John Wayne and Henry Fonda. Another photo from the picture:-


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Arthur

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The scene where John Wayne interupts the dance after meeting Cochise from left to right

Guy Kibbee, Henry Fonda, George O Brien John Wayne unknown Unknown Grant Withers


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Arthur

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And finally


George O'Brien, Henry Fonda John Agar and John Wayne.




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Arthur

Arthur, great stills! Thanks for sharing them.

Here are three posters -

1954

These next two are reissue posters, from 1953 and 1957 respectively -

1955 1956

Same poster, just goes from full color to two color (I'm not including white as a color).

Here are the Film Facts for this film, from Clive Woollands (see this post ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) for more information) -

Howdy folks, here we are again. Another Film Fact, this time for the
classic, Fort Apache. I hope you like it.

Producers: Merian C. Cooper, John Ford, Screenplay: Frank S. Nugent,
Cinematographer: Archie Stout, Art Director: Jack Murray,
Distribution: RKO Pictures, Location: Monument Valley, Cost of
Production: $2.5 million, Box office takings: $3 million, Date of
production: 1948.

Former child star Shirley Temple had worked with John Ford once before in 1937's Wee Willie Winkie. Pregnant during some of the filming, Fort Apache was one of her final films. Unable to successfully make the shift to a grown up acting career, she made
just four more films before retiring from the screen in 1950. That same year she divorced John Agar and married San Francisco businessman Charles Black. He claimed never to have seen any of her movies.

James Bellah, writer of the story `Massacre' that Fort Apache was based on, also wrote the stories that inspired She Wore a Yellow Ribbon and Rio Grande. He later wrote the screenplay for The Man who Shot Liberty Valence (1962).

Fans of the James Bond films might recognise Mexican actor Pedro Armendariz, who played Sgt Beaufort in Fort Apache. His final film role – shot while he was suffering from terminal cancer – was an MI6 agent Karim Bey in 1963's From Russia With Love.

Victor McLaglen, who plays Sgt Festus Mucahy, was actually a sergeant in the British Army in the 1920's.

Fort Apache was John Agar's first movie role. He went on to make six more films with John Wayne, including She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, the second film in Ford's Cavalry trilogy.

Here is a Story about the Making of "Fort Apache" that I know a little about !!!
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Chilibill
:cowboy:

Here's another story.
Fort Apache the 1st in Ford and Wayne's Cavaly trilogy was released 1953 in Japan
as the 3rd of trilogy.

Why
From 1945 to about 1950,Japan was occupied by allied powers,
Supreme Commander for the allied powers thaught Fort Apache has a bad influence
to occupied Japan, US Cavaly soldiers all dead.
and in America ,as anti war movie, Fort Apache had a demonstration for prohibition
release. Is it true?

For the Question "The end of Fort Apache anticipates the newspaper editor's line in Liberty Valance, When the legend becomes a fact,prints the legend"Do you agree with that?(By Peter Bogdanovich)
John Ford answered "Yes-because I think it's good for the country.
Weve had a lot of people who were supposed to be great heroes,and you know damn well they were'nt.But it's good for the country to have heroes to look up to.
and he said In Vietnam today,probably a lot of guys don't agree with their leader,but they still go ahead and do the job.

I hate war but i love Ford's and Duke's western movies,war movies.
Best regards,
H.sanada

I liked Fonda's role in this movie, he played a good part, to me, Duke seemed to be second-fiddle to Fonda

That said, its a cassic JW western

Reading the posts on this thread I came to Arthur's question about which cast were surviving. This led me to the Bios on Henry Fonda, Ward Bond ( who was epileptic ) , Hank Worden ( who lived to be 91 went to Stanford & U of Nevada engineering ,drove a New York cab, worked rodeos as a saddle bronc rider) and Victor McLag len ( who worked doing farm labour in Canada ). As for the film I liked everything except Mr Fonda's role. One part I liked was near the begining when mr Fonda's character asks the way station bar to serve a drink to the ( 4 ) srgts and put it on his tab. The 1st srgnt orders 4 beers ( I believe the intention was that it would one each ) The srgnt next to him ( Victor McLaglen ) says same here and a whiskey chaser.