THE COMANCHEROS

DIRECTED BY MICHAEL CURTIZ and JOHN WAYNE-uncredited
PRODUCED BY GEORGE SHERMAN
MUSIC BY ELMER BERNSTEIN
20th.CENTURY FOX

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INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary
Texas Ranger Jake Cutter arrests gambler Paul Regret,
but soon finds himself teamed with his prisoner in an undercover effort to defeat a band of renegade arms merchants
and thieves known as Comancheros.
Summary written by Jim Beaver

Full Cast
John Wayne .... Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter
Stuart Whitman .... Paul Regret
Ina Balin .... Pilar Graile
Nehemiah Persoff .... Graile
Lee Marvin .... Tully Crow
Michael Ansara .... Amelung
Patrick Wayne .... Tobe (Texas Ranger) (as Pat Wayne)
Bruce Cabot .... Maj. Henry (Ranger CO)
Joan O'Brien .... Melinda Marshall
Jack Elam .... Horseface (Comanchero)
Edgar Buchanan .... Circuit Court Judge Thaddeus Jackson Breen
Henry Daniell .... Gireaux
Richard Devon .... Esteban
Phil Arnold .... Nervous barfly (uncredited)
Anne Barton .... Mrs. Schofield (uncredited)
Steve Baylor .... Comanchero (uncredited)
Don Brodie .... Card Dealer (uncredited)
Alan Carney .... Stillwater bartender (uncredited)
Iphigenie Castiglioni .... Josefina (uncredited)
Dennis Cole .... (uncredited)
Booth Colman .... Hotel clerk (uncredited)
Gabriel Curtiz .... Marsac (uncredited)
John Dierkes .... Ranger Bill Larsen (uncredited)
Ilana Dowding .... Mary Schofield (uncredited)
William Fawcett .... Poker player (uncredited)
Joe Gray .... (uncredited)
George J. Lewis .... Chief Iron Shirt (uncredited)
Jon Lormer .... Elderly man on riverboat (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... (uncredited)
Roger Mobley .... Bub Schofield (uncredited)
Gregg Palmer .... Bouvier (opponent in duel) (uncredited)
Michael Ross .... Gordo (Graile's bodyguard) (uncredited)
Leigh Snowden .... Evie (uncredited)
Bob Steele .... Pa Schofield (uncredited)
Lusita Triana .... Spanish dancer (uncredited)
Ralph Volkie .... Riverboat steward (uncredited)
Aissa Wayne .... Bessie Marshall (uncredited)
Guinn 'Big Boy' Williams .... Ed McBain (gunrunner) (uncredited)
Henry Wills ... Ranger (uncredited)
Sammy Wolfe ... Poker Player (uncredited)
Kelly Yost ... Indian (uncredited)

Writing Credits
Paul Wellman (novel) (as Paul I. Wellman)
James Edward Grant screenplay
Clair Huffaker screenplay

Produced
George Sherman .... producer

Music
Elmer Bernstein

Cinematography
William H. Clothier (director of photography)

Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Jack R. Berne .... assistant director
Cliff Lyons .... action sequences director

Stunts
Denny Arnold .... stunts (uncredited)
Jim Burk .... stunts (uncredited)
Joe Canutt .... stunts (uncredited)
Tap Canutt .... stunts (uncredited)
Bill Hart .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
Tom Hennesy .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Bob Morgan .... stunts (uncredited)
Boyd 'Red' Morgan .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
Dean Smith .... stunts (uncredited)
Bill Williams .... stunts (uncredited)
Jack Williams .... stunts (uncredited)

Trivia
During much of the shooting, director Michael Curtiz was seriously ill (he died of cancer shortly after the film's release). On the days when Curtiz was too ill to work, John Wayne took over direction of the film, and when it was completed he told the studio that he did not want credit as co-director and insisted that Curtiz' name alone appear as director.

The final film directed by Michael Curtiz.

When John Wayne signs the hotel register as "McBain", one of the names in the register is William H. Clothier, the film's director of photography.

Besides the name of William H. Clothier, the film's director of photography, another crew member's name that appears in the hotel registry signed by "Ed McBain" is that of Jack R. Berne, an assistant director on the film.

The last film of veteran cowboy actor Guinn 'Big Boy' Williams, who died shortly after its completion.

John Wayne's character, Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter, is called Big Jake. Wayne later played Jacob McCandles in Big Jake (1971).

Paul Wellman wrote the novel with Cary Grant in mind as Paul Regret. However, by the time the film was made in 1961 Grant was too old for the part, and would never have taken second billing to John Wayne.


Goofs
* Revealing mistakes: After Regret hits Cutter with a shovel, Cutter wakes up when it starts raining. Somehow, the sky is still blue and there are strong shadows. It is only raining about 30 feet from Cutter.

* Anachronisms: Cutter is shown wearing a Texas Ranger Badge. These badges were not introduced until the 1880s, 37 years after the year the movie story takes place (1843).

* Crew or equipment visible: In the final gun battle, when the man in the wagon is shot, instead of seeing his body falling from the wagon, we see someone throwing it out.

* Anachronisms: The guns used in the movie are Colt single action revolvers model 1873, Henry lever action rifle look-alikes model 1860, and Winchester lever action rifles model 1892. The only correct period guns used were the single-shot percussion-cap dueling pistols used in the opening scene.

* Revealing mistakes: During the last battle of the movie, Cutter is shown in a wagon shooting a lever action rifle left-handed. The film is reversed, because the loading port of the rifle is depicted as being on the left (wrong) side of the rifle.

* Continuity: When Pa Schofield goes out of the house with the baby in his arms and calls his friends, the baby is completely covered. So we see the Cutter's hand discovering the baby's face in close-up. Next shot the baby is still completely covered.

* Continuity: Inside the boat, Regret is sleeping on the bed. Suddenly, in the shadow projected on the wall behind the bed, we see the door opens and the image of Cutter appears. The next shot shows Cutter himself and his shadow on the door his left hand.

* Anachronisms: Major Henry mentions that Ed McBain spent 5 years at the Yuma Territorial Prison. In 1843 Arizona was part of Mexico, so there was no Yuma Territorial Prison then. The Mexican-American war, where the US took the SW from Mexico, wasn't won until 1848.

* Continuity: Paul Regret knocks Jake Cutter unconscious with a shovel, throws it on the ground, and escapes. When Jake wakes up later the shovel is laying the opposite way, the handle and business end have exchanged places.

* Continuity: When Regret hits Jake with the shovel, the shovel flexes. It is obviously made out of rubber.

* Revealing mistakes: Obvious use of a dummy in the final escape when Esteban is shot and "falls" out of the wagon.

* Continuity: As Jake and Regret are delivering their wagon-load of guns, they see see Indians on the hilltops. Jake removes a staff with feathers from his side of the wagon, and hands it to Regret, saying 'We'll see if this passport works.' The next two quick camera cuts show the staff first back on the wagon, then again in Regret's hands.

* Errors in geography: Regret and Pilar meet on a Mississippi-style river boat, but the ocean is in the background when they talk on deck. The riverboat lands in Galveston, but no such riverboat navigated the Trinity or San Jacinto Rivers that empty into Galveston Bay. Regret and Cutter ride from Galveston into the desert. The nearest desert to Galveston is at least 400 miles, and nothing in Texas looks like the desert in the film.

* Revealing mistakes: In the final battle scene Amelung falls from the wagon with his hands tied behind his back. As he falls he places his hands in front to catch himself then quickly places them behind him again as others rush to assist him.

* Continuity: In the bar scene: Tully Crow (Lee Marvin) asks the bartender for a bottle of "the good stuff." The bartender holds up a bottle of whiskey with his right hand. Crow, not believing that it really is "the good stuff," gets mad and shoots the bottle and breaks it. The camera view then changes to a stuffed deer head on the wall, which Crow also shoots. Then the camera goes back to the bartender, but he is standing there with the same bottle of whiskey in his right hand - bottle is intact and unbroken.

* Continuity: In the Marshall's farm-yard: when Jake Cutter (John Wayne) introduces Paul Regret to Bessie Marshall, the sunlight on Regret's face - as well as on the horse behind him - instantly changes to overcast between shots.

* Continuity: During Jake's and Regret's visit to the Schofield farmstead: the angle of sunlight and lengths of shadows cast by men and horses change markedly between shots. For example, one minute Jake Cutter is talking to Major Henry in what appears to be nearly midday sunlight. The camera angle changes, and we see Jake watching Major Henry lead off the mounted team of Rangers, but now they are all casting fairly long shadows. Then the action goes back to Paul Regret, but now the sunlight indicates somewhere close to mid-day. This random shifting of sunlight and shadow lengths repeats throughout the Schofield scene.

* Anachronisms: When McBain is interrogated Major Henry states that McBain's guns had been stolen from Fort Sill and that McBain had served five years in Yuma Territorial Prison. As the film is supposedly set before 1848, neither is possible. Yuma Territorial Prison was opened in 1876, while Fort Sill was first established in 1869. Both occurred after Texas lost its independence and became a state.

* Revealing mistakes: When Capt. Cutter handcuffs Paul Regret in his bed on the boat after as he wakes him up, one end of the handcuffs is simply resting around the narrowing end of the bedpost with nothing holding it there. To make matters worse, at the end of the scene when Capt. Cutter gives Paul Regret his suit to Don, he takes out his key to undo the cuffs as though they just can't be pulled right off the top of the bedpost.

Memorable Quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054757/quotes)

Filming Locations
Dead Horse Point State Park - State Highway 313, Moab, Utah, USA
Fisher Towers, Moab, Utah, USA
Kings Bottom, Utah, USA
La Sal Mountains, La Sal, Utah, USA
Professor Valley, Moab, Utah, USA
Red Rock Crossing, Sedona, Arizona, USA
(credits sequence)

Watch the Trailer:-

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Previous discussion:-
The Comancheros (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=238)

Memorable Quotes

Tully Crow: I got one rule: never go to bed without makin' a profit.

Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: Mon-sewer, you may not live long enough to hang.

Paul Regret: Mind a suggestion friend? Trouble with you is you don't enjoy the game for its own rewards: stimulation, relaxation, pleasant association,
and interesting conversation.
Tully Crow: Shut your mouth.

Ed McBain (gunrunner): Now that I can look back on it, I can see how bad it was. That's how I came to give myself up.
Ranger CO Maj. Henry: Yep, after breaking one ranger's jaw and slicing up two others with a Bowie knife.
Ed McBain (gunrunner): Oh, I feel bad about that. I wasn't using my head.
Ranger CO Maj. Henry: You used everything else! Feet, fist and teeth!
Ed McBain (gunrunner): Yes, sir. But them rangers won me over. If I had just known men like that, I might never have fell in with bad companions.

[While Regret and Cutter are tied up as prisoners]
Paul Regret: I wonder if they know how much trouble they're in.

Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: I'll bet he was a man to stand aside from when he was young and limber.

Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: It's time we both quit, Crow. You don't like losing to me, and I don't like winning from you.

Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: Let him make a run for it, I'd say to myself.
Paul Regret: And then what would you say?
Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: And then I'd say back to myself, you can't let him run. You swore an oath whent they put that badge on you.
Paul Regret: And that's important to you?
Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: I said I swore an oath.
Paul Regret: Words!
Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: Mon-sewer, words are what men live by... words they say and mean.

Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: You see those dark markings? A cross patch over light. It makes him look like a rattler.
But you can see a thousand like him. But when you see your first rattlesnake, you'll know the difference.
Paul Regret: You still haven't told me how you tell a Commanche from a tame Indian.
Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: Just like your first rattler. One look and you'll know.

Circuit Court Judge Thaddeus Jackson Breen: Most say, except for them who are unfair minded,
that I have the finest legal mind in the entire southwest. So you can have faith in your lawyer, son. How much money you got?
Paul Regret: I don't have any.
Circuit Court Judge Thaddeus Jackson Breen: Well, I'm beginning to doubt your chances against the law.

Circuit Court Judge Thaddeus Jackson Breen: Major here has told me what your troubles are.
I've been thinking it over and in light of my forty years experience in legal jurisprudence,
I have come to the positive conclusion that there ain't no way to do this legal and honest... but being good sensible Texans,
we'll do it illegal and dishonest! Now all the boys here in the room have agreed to sign a paper I have prepared.
They all are going to commit perjury. That's legal language for just a plain, dumb blasted lie.

Paul Regret: How do you know you killed him?
Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: There wasn't time not to!

Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: It would break my heart if I had to put a bullet in your back.
Paul Regret: It would make me sad also.

Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: You think I'm simple minded.
Paul Regret: Yes, I think you're simple minded.
Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: Well, don't make a point of saying it too often... and once more would be too often!

Paul Regret: Gentlemen, let's remember we're gentlemen.
Ranger Capt. Jake Cutter: Forget it! He's just spittin' out words to see where they splatter.

Paul Regret: Am I to believe that you weighed and appraised and then selected me out of all the men on this boat?

Pilar Graile: Do not be too conceited. It's not a very large boat.
[last lines]
Pilar Graile: Take care of yourself, Big Jake. We've sort of gotten used to you.

INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Hi,
One of my favourites, and I really enjoy this film.
It's great entertainment full of fun, and lots of action.
Duke more convincing in his authorative type role,
made a great Texas Ranger.
This was the start of him having no love interest,and establishing a pattern
for later films.
He was now 54, his hair had grown thin, and he was having trouble controlling his weight.
Duke's screen image, was now shifting to that, of a mature hero, one of enduring strength,
who observed younger mens, love affair, with understanding and a touch of humour.
The chemistry between, Duke and Stuart Whitman was obvious,
apart from THE LONGEST DAY, it's a pity they didn't make a another feature, together.
Lee Marvin, was cast brilliantly as 'Crow', and it's a shame
he was only on the screen, for about 10 minutes.
Jack Elam, added his usual, character part.
It is also interesting in the Stunts section,
to see the Canutt family, so involved.

Here's an interesting comment, mentioning some special features:-
Author: haristas from USA from IMDb
I really enjoy this film, though it's more about how much I love the sights in the American Southwest,*
and William Clothier's Cinemascope photography of locals in Utah and Arizona is simply stunning here,*
and the wonderful Elmer Bernstein score, and less to do with the conventions of the Western genre in general
and John Wayne movies in particular. Both had become pretty stale by the time this picture was made.
As a 'serious' Western it can be dismissed; it's about as historically accurate as "Blazing Saddles"*
and I don't know what's supposed to look worse, the scalped head make-up Lee Marvin (who practically steals the film)
wears or the wig-pieces Wayne sports
. However, this forty-year-old movie plays as better entertainment than most movies made today.*
It's hardly cynical, tries to reinforce ideas of right and wrong, and knows it's not to be taken seriously anyway.*
You can also tell that everyone seems to be having a very good time making this movie.
It's also the last of more than 150 films directed by Michael Curtiz (though Wayne had to direct a lot of it himself when
Curtiz fell ill [Curtiz died shortly after filming ended]). A beautiful letterboxed transfer of this movie was done for laserdisc in 1993.
It also featured commentary by stars Stuart Whitman, Patrick Wayne,
Michael Ansara and Nehemiah Persoff, as well as production stills, script pages,
posters and lobby cards. Somebody at Fox at the time thought the movie deserved this 'Collector's Edition' treatment,
so I can only hope that person is still there and that this will be replicated on DVD soon.

Over all a pleasant, undemanding, watchable bit of fun,
Rating 8/10

Dull, uneventful, poor acting, bad script and poor story lines are words and phrases that should not be associated with this terrific movie.

The first thing that stands out about this movie is the sharp, witty and intelligent dialogue that enriches each scene.

Elmer Bernsteins excellent musical score enhances the movie and gives the movie an edge over many other westerns.

John Wayne is superb in this film playing one of his most tradional characters and illustrating effectively what what he stood for and embodied.

Stuart Whitman is on fine form next to the Duke and Lee Marvin makes a good cameo appearance as Tully Crow.

In addition to all this the storyline is slick and wel directed with plenty of great dialogue, bad guys and shootouts.

Along with El dorado I think this is John Waynes most traditional movie and it features the best shootout of any Duke movie right at the end.

Make sure you watch this movie, you wont be disappointed.

:agent:

It has been awhile since we've watched this movie. I do remember that it seemed that the farther they got into the comancheros hideout, the less likely it seemed they'd be coming out, although the Duke is pretty good at saving the day.

At Deep Discount DVD (http://www.deepdiscount.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/search.results?Ntk=dvdsadt&Ntt=comancheros&N=1001), the movie is available individually and as part of a boxed set; they also have a movie poster.

In addition to having the movie in both DVD and VHS, Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=comancheros) also has a soundtrack CD, a collector's knife set and the book by Paul Wellman.

Chester :newyear:

Hi,
I have been researching all the threads, back to the startt of the JWMB,
looking for previous discussion, relating to the movies.
I have found the following, comments, and have copied them here,
so that they are now under one forum:-

The Comancheros, and the John Wayne Tree

General Sterling Price*
post Feb 14 2004, 04:50 AM

Tonight my wife and I watched The Comancheros, and it seems that each time I see it, it goes up a few notches on my list of favorites. The dialog between Wayne and "Paul Regret" all the way through is great. It was filmed back in early 60s in Moab, Utah. My wife lived there for a year in the mid-80s, and she and her family went hiking in the La Sal mountains just east of Moab. Locals there directed them to what is known as the John Wayne tree, so they went for a look-see. Sure enough there was an apsen with the name John Wayne carved into it. They were told that JW carved it during a film shoot...and we have determined that it must have been Comancheros. So if you are ever in Moab, UT, just ask the locals and they will direct you to it.

Does anyone else share my particular fondness for this film? I think in many ways, it captures the pure essence of JW in a western film.

GSP
Hondo Duke Lane
post Feb 14 2004, 05:07 AM

This is the first film that Duke did after his production of The Alamo. Duke almost went broke making that movie, and needed a lift after disappionting release of it. The Comancheros did the trick and help Duke out of a financial diaster in 1961. The Alamo brought him a little money back, but it caused him a lot of heartache.

Cheers, Hondo B)
itdo*
post Feb 14 2004, 09:48 AM

I have been to Moab, mainly of course to find the locations of JW pictures. The scenery is just wonderful. But I must have missed out the tree! Too bad. The first one JW did in that area is Rio Grande and I tried - unsuccessfully - to find the spot where they build the adobe town for the big shoot-out. I was in the right area, but not in the exact right spot which is a private area.
Where Ford placed the fort in "Rio Grande" is at the Colorado river, and that's a private owned ranch as well (he also filmed a fort sequence of "Cheyenne Autumn" there).
I found the spot where they filmed the fording of the Colorado, doubling for the Rio Grande (where JW meets Mexican officials) and he himself named a characteristic stone "locomotive" spot.
Not far from there is Devil's Tower, where The Comancheros had their camp - there's no trace of that left. Anyway, people get there for hiking, not for location scouting. If you'd like to know more, there's a good book: "Where God put the West", that'll tell you all about films made in that area. One motel in town claims to be the one "where JW slept".

Hondo, the first film released after Alamo was North to Alaska, the first of his new deal with Fox,
which included Comancheros, that came right after that one. But the first one he went filming (actually when Alamo was still to be released) was Hatari!
arthurarnell*
post Feb 14 2004, 02:40 PM

Hi,

One of the reasons I love certain films is the sound track.
Von Korngolds stirring music of the thirties and forties in Robin Hood and the Sea Hawks equally matched Errol Flynns stirring deed of daring and carried the audience along.

So it is with John Wayn westerns and in his case he had some fabulous composers compose some fabulous music. Apart from the Alamo and Red River. two films I particularly like, and both for different reasons are The Sons of Katie Elder and The Comancheros. The first because it is stirring throughout, the second because it seems to have many moods and in certain passages evokes a great deal of sadness.

it was probably no coincidence that Michael Curtiz directed Errol Flynn and The Comancheros.

With the aid of the music the film had vitality, motion and bounce. Westerns more than any other genre benefit from stirring music Bernsteins music in The Comancheros became as equally important to the film as the script, forcing itself to the forefront than than in some films remaining un-prtentious like in the background. When Wayne and Marvin drive the wagon at speed the music beats out the tempo and the speed the wagon goes, as it does when the Comancheros ride.

At other times when the music slows and qoes quiet, it gives, to me at any rate, a slight sense of peace, calmness nostalgia, a sadness almost a sense of ending and a remberance of John Wayne's quality. Which when you realise he would not die for another eighteen years may seem ridiculous, but as I couldn't know then but do now hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Incidentally I thought the movie was great.

Regards
Arthur

In the comancheros, when Lee Marvin was shot, what was Waynes response to, "are you sure you killed him?"

Originally posted by cookiequilts@Sep 23 2006, 04:02 PM
In the comancheros, when Lee Marvin was shot, what was Waynes response to, "are you sure you killed him?"
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I think his reply was: "There wasn't time not to." Or something like that. Good line by the way and, welcome to this nice forum.

One of my favorite John Wayne quotes is from the movie: El Dorado-where he plays the character: Cole Thornton. This is when he and Colorado (James Caan) first get into town (at night) and go over to the Sheriff's office where they are first challenged by and then recognized by: Bull--who is played by Arthur Hunnicut. They go inside the jail and Cole is told wher the drunken sheriff is (Robert Mitchum) and Cole goes into the cell, grabs a bucket of water-tossing it all onto the sheriff.

The sheriff spits, coughs and sputters saying: "What the hell are you doing here?" to which John Wayne says: "I'm looking at a tin star with a drunk pinned to it." I just love that line.

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Sep 23 2006, 03:50 PM
I think his reply was: "There wasn't time not to." Or something like that. Good line by the way and, welcome to this nice forum.

One of my favorite John Wayne quotes is from the movie: El Dorado-where he plays the character: Cole Thornton. This is when he and Colorado (James Caan) first get into town (at night) and go over to the Sheriff's office where they are first challenged by and then recognized by: Bull--who is played by Arthur Hunnicut. They go inside the jail and Cole is told wher the drunken sheriff is (Robert Mitchum) and Cole goes into the cell, grabs a bucket of water-tossing it all onto the sheriff.

The sheriff spits, coughs and sputters saying: "What the hell are you doing here?" to which John Wayne says: "I'm looking at a tin star with a drunk pinned to it." I just love that line.
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thanks, thats what my husband thought he said...I thought it was, "I wasnt trying not to!".....is there any place I could find out for sure?

Originally posted by cookiequilts@Sep 23 2006, 05:12 PM
thanks, thats what my husband thought he said...I thought it was, "I wasnt trying not to!".....is there any place I could find out for sure?
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Howdy Cookiequilts, and let me give you a big HOWDY and WELCOME to the best John Wayne site in the world. I wish I could tell you where to go and find the dialog, but all I can suggest is to watch the film. We have so many knowledgeable folks here, that I am sure someone will be of better help than me.
Best,
Colorado Bob

Originally posted by Colorado Bob@Sep 23 2006, 09:12 PM
Howdy Cookiequilts, and let me give you a big HOWDY and WELCOME to the best John Wayne site in the world. I wish I could tell you where to go and find the dialog, but all I can suggest is to watch the film. We have so many knowledgeable folks here, that I am sure someone will be of better help than me.
Best,
Colorado Bob
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thanks...we did but disagreed on what he said...I guess we will just have to watch it again and again...not a problem!

The line is defently 'There wasnt time not to'.

Robbie
:agent:

Originally posted by Robbie@Sep 24 2006, 12:52 PM
The line is defently 'There wasnt time not to'.

Robbie
:agent:
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thanks! I will tell my husband that he was right and make an appointment to have my hearing checked! thanks again!

Hi cookiequilts,

and WELCOME to the JWMB.

Thanks for your post, and you maybe interested,
there are dedicated threads for Duke's Movies,

Here is the link for

THE COMANCHEROS (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=2800)

there are more memorable qoutes, in that thread.

Best Wishes,

Originally posted by ethanedwards@Sep 25 2006, 09:54 AM
Hi cookiequilts,

and WELCOME to the JWMB.

Thanks for your post, and you maybe interested,
there are dedicated threads for Duke's Movies,

Here is the link for

THE COMMANCHEROS (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=2800)

there are more memorable qoutes, in that thread.

Best Wishes,
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this site is awesome! thanks Keith!

Originally posted by The Ringo Kid@Sep 23 2006, 01:50 PM
This is when he and Colorado (James Caan) 34820


Not to be picky but James Caan played Mississippi...

Ricky Nelson played Colorado in Rio Bravo...

Hi

Here a little known still from the film showing Pat Wayne Stuart Whitman and John Wayne.


Regards

Arthur

Hi

There are many posters advertising The Comancheros but this is among the best




Regards

Arthur

Arthur, I would have to agree with you, I like your poster much better than this one!

2037

Pretty soon, you're gonna catch on that I'm not your friend!

One of the great lines from an enjoyable western, it makes it into my JW ton ten movies, good turns by Whitman & marvin, decent story-telling and a star turn by Duke

Chester I think your poster is better, with regards to Arthur's picture I don't feel the image looks anything like John Wayne.

John C regarding that line within "The Comancheros," the exact statement was "And pretty soon you're gonna catch on I aint your friend!".

Sorry I'm a real nitpicker.

:agent:

No, problem Robbie, its been a while since I have seen it :teeth_smile:

Chester I think your poster is better, with regards to Arthur's picture I don't feel the image looks anything like John Wayne.
I agree that in Arthur's poster, the image doesn't look as much like John Wayne as in the one I shared, but I like the action portrayed in Arthur's much better.

Chester :newyear:

I agree that in Arthur's poster, the image doesn't look as much like John Wayne as in the one I shared, but I like the action portrayed in Arthur's much better.

Chester :newyear:

Arthur's poster does give a truer essence of the movie via the images of action, however the picture of John Wayne is too distracting. It bares little resemblance to the man himself and it also seems to depict John Wayne from the incorrect angle as he throws no left punches in this movie.

:agent:

Here 's a Japanese press kit for The Comancheros.
i feel uneasy if my photo is taken good.
big letter in Japanese is starring John Wayne ,The Comancheros.
This press kit is a big size folded in four.

H.sanada

Thanks for sharing that, H.sanada. Great looking press shot.

Here are examples of the book and comic from the movie. Enjoy!

Mark

http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/2147f8e034a59de.jpg

http://www.alljohnwayne.com/Comics/The%20Comancheros%20Dell%201961.jpg

Great Western and also one of my Dad's favourite Western. Watched it recently and still love it. The dialogues between John Wayne and Stuart Whitman are well scripted and fun. Yes it's a shame that both haven't done anyother Buddy Western again. :teeth_smile:
Lee Marvin with his scalped head looks a bit weird but he is memorable in his little role.
The photography is astonishing like the action scenes and the music of Elmer Bernstein. The Comancheros might not be the best western with the best story ever but everytime an entertaining pleasure. :thumbs_up:

I heard or read somewhere that James Garner turned down the role of Paul Regret because he had just finished Maverick and didn't want to be type-cast as the slick western gambler. I imagine it could also be a case of one of the many actors who refused to work with John Wayne because of how small they would appear next to Duke.

James Garner and John Wayne would have made for a much better movie.

Can anyone think of another John Wayne movie that James Garner could have co-starred in? I suppose Garner could have easily done the journalist in The Green Berets. How about James Garner instead of Glenn Campbell in True Grit? What about as one of the brothers in The Sons of Katie Elder? I can't imagine any others from Garner's era that might have worked.

El Dorado would have been neat to see with Garner in place of Mitchum.

James Garner would be a great replacement for Stuart Whitman. The role of Regret reminded me on Maverick. Nevertheless the chemistry between Whitman and Duke is great in Comancheros.
I'm thinking of another Movie in which James Garner would be a great replacement: Rio Lobo.

I have to laugh at Cutter drawling "Monsewer, you are a Lulu" every single time I hear it. I actually look forward to it.
Jack Elam swings a mean rifle in this one.







We deal in lead, friend.

I still have hopes for a remastered DVD release.

hi
i saw the comancheros when i was about 12 and i just loved the film.what a guy john wayne was.it had everything humor,the location of utah just wonderful the story great.so much the film got under my skin i called 1 of my sons jake and my other son scott after randolph scott my 2 second favourite actor

The Comancheros was also filmed at these locations

FISHER TOWERS

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Fisher Towers (http://geology.utah.gov/surveynotes/geosights/fishertowers.htm)
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DEAD HORSE POINT STATE PARK

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Dead Horse Point State Park (http://www.utah.com/stateparks/dead_horse.htm)

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LA SAL MOUNTAINS

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PROFESSOR VALLEY



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hi
the location of utah

I have also posted some the locations here-

Duke's Movie Locations- Utah (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=2666)

Great photos.
Comancheros was broadcast in widescreen last night on the retroplex channel, right after Angel and the Badman, so I lost about four hours sleep.
This movie is sooooo much better than anything churned out today. It looks effortless and is the kind of film I used to take for granted back then.
The photography, music, script and actors are world class. Of course, most of the cast and crew had worked on The Alamo. I think I even recognized one of the longhorns (a brown one) from Alamo.
The only quibble I have is about the dates in the movie and the repeating weapons and Joan O'Brien's screen husband wasn't killed by a Mexican cannon shot at San Jacinto. I don't think Santa Anna's army even fired a cannon in that "fracas".

We deal in lead, friend.

The only thing bad about it is: it's on AMC. They used to be commercial free - meaning they showed movies without interruption. Now they tend to chop them up without a 2nd thought.

I will say, after watching The Commencheros there are two things: first, they didn't really do a bad job with it as far as editing goes, and secondly - did anyone else notice a very young Dennis Cole in the dance sequence on the riverboat scence near the start?

I've seen this movie nearly 15 times, and I only noticed him THIS time!!!

I will say, after watching The Commencheros there are two things: first, they didn't really do a bad job with it as far as editing goes, and secondly - did anyone else notice a very young Dennis Cole in the dance sequence on the riverboat scence near the start?

I've seen this movie nearly 15 times, and I only noticed him THIS time!!!

Thanks for this snippet.
I have also copied your post to the dedicated movie thread

Watched it today, fantastic, but boy was there a lot of heavy falls, Horses and stunt guys had what looked very much like some nasty rollovers with Horses falling on their legs etc, i dont think it was planned stunt work.

I still have hopes for a remastered DVD release.

That would be great. I remember about 7-8 yrs ago, they re-released The Searchers on DVD and offered a two disc set that I bought. They remastered it and it looked like a totally new film. I wish they put more Duke movies on Blu-Ray, too.

I have to laugh at Cutter drawling "Monsewer, you are a Lulu" every single time I hear it. I actually look forward to it.
Jack Elam swings a mean rifle in this one.







We deal in lead, friend.



Gotta love those "Wayne-isms" huh -
I too often find myself having a he he he to myself over them.

Gotta love those "Wayne-isms" huh -
I too often find myself having a he he he to myself over them.

and from the first post, here are all the printed
Memorable Quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054757/quotes)

20th Century Fox will release The Comancheros on Blu-ray on May 17.

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Wow, great images, Lasbugas! Thanks!

Looks like Fox is pulling out all the stops for their Comancheros blu-ray release on May 17:

The Comancheros will include audio commentary (by Stuart Whitman, Nehemiah Persoff, Michael Ansara and Patrick Wayne), 2 featurettes (The Comancheros and the Battle for the American Southwest and The Duke at Fox: A Two-Part Documentary), a vintage Comancheros comic book gallery, A Conversation with Stuart Whitman (Audio Only), Fox Movietonews: Claude King and Tillman Franks Receive Award for The Comancheros, theatrical trailers and 24-page book packaging.

Here is a small version of the package art. Hope I can find a bigger version soon.

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Looks great, can you please tell me what Blu ray really means, do i have to swap player for that, i have just brought a realy loverly Panasonic DVD recorder / player, i guess that means without Blu Ray, you cant bye this set ?

Looks great, can you please tell me what Blu ray really means, do i have to swap player for that, i have just brought a realy loverly Panasonic DVD recorder / player, i guess that means without Blu Ray, you cant bye this set ?

Blu-ray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_ray) is the next step beyond DVD, and you have to purchase a special player in order to play Blu-Ray discs. However, all Blu-Ray players can play standard DVD's with no problem.

Also, if you're going to invest in a Blu-ray player, you will need the right television to go with it so you can take advantage of the much higher resolution Blu-ray offers. At minimum you should have a 40 inch high definition widescreen TV with 1080p resolution.

Here's another write-up of the Blu-ray with a bigger picture:



The Comancheros (Blu-Ray) - 50th Anniversary Edition (1961)

Starring:
John Wayne, Stuart Whitman, Lee Marvin, Edgar Buchanan, Gregg Palmer, Ina Balin, Nehemiah Persoff, Bruce Cabot, Don Brodie, Patrick Wayne, Henry Daniell, Ilana Dowding, Jack Elam, Joan O'Brien, Michael Ansara, Phil Arnold, Ralph Volkie, Richard Devon, Roger Mobley

Director: Michael Curtiz

Genre: Blu-Ray, Drama, Action & Adventure, Westerns

Year: 1961

Studio: 20th Century Fox

Length: 107 minutes

Release Date: May 17, 2011

Misc: Color, Widescreen, NTSC

Language: English(Original Language), Spanish(Subtitled), French(Dubbed), Spanish(Dubbed), English(Subtitled)

SYNOPSIS:
In this explosive and absorbing wild west adventure, John Wayne stars as Captain Cutter, a fearless Texas Ranger determined to crush a violent gang of gunrunners and thieves known as Comancheros.

Through an unlikely turn of events, Cutter enlists the help of his own prisoners to accomplish his mission. Also featuring an all-star cast that includes Stuart Whitman, Lee Marvin, Edgar Buchanan and Patrick Wayne, and a catchy soundtrack by Elmer Bernstein, this fast-paced Western is pure entertainment from start to finish.

BONUS FEATURES:
Audio Commentary by Stuart Whitman, Nehemiah Persoff, Michael Ansara and Patrick Wayne
The Comancheros and the Battle for the American Southwest
The Duke at Fox – A Two-Part Documentary
Vintage Comancheros Comic Book Gallery
Movie Tone News: Claude King and Tillman Franks Receive Award For The Comancheros
Theatrical Trailers (English & Spanish)
PLUS: 24 Page Collectible Book

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Thanks all, i think i might get one as its probably going to really enhance watching the movies a lot, they actually dont seem to be very expensive. Those Comancheros piccies really are fantastic arent they.

Jessie, if you get Blu-ray, you won't be sorry. :)

Here are four screen captures from Blu-ray versions of John Wayne films. (Pics "borrowed" from Blu-ray.com.) :)

The Cowboys
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The Green Berets
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Rio Bravo
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The Searchers
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Having seen them all... The Cowboys is especially awesome looking in blu-ray. :) Of course nothing beats seeing the Duke on the big screen but that opportunity doesn't come around too often.

OH The Cowboys, oh the one with all the kids, thats the first time i'v ever seen JW get killed, could 'nt believe it, i was in shock for days Paula !

Beautiful pics-thanks!

Thanks all, i think i might get one as its probably going to really enhance watching the movies a lot, they actually dont seem to be very expensive. Those Comancheros piccies really are fantastic arent they.

For what it's worth, you can get a good brand name Blu-ray player for just over $100 these days. I've got a Sony and it was about $160 a year and a half ago. Now, it's down to around $125 and it is worth it. You will be blown away by the picture quality. You'll think you're looking out your window and watching them shoot the film in your front yard.
And looking at those photos Lasbugas posted. The one of Duke, Stuart Whitman and, Ina Balin. Wasn't Ms. Balin about as hot a woman as there ever was in Hollywood back then? Always thought she was simply beautiful.

Hi WJ

Im in Australia, we get slugged here big time for Electronics.

You will be blown away by the picture quality. You'll think you're looking out your window and watching them shoot the film in your front yard.

That's exactly the reaction I have sometimes to watching Blu-rays, that the actors are right there in my living room instead of being on a screen. It's kind of weird at times! ;)

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Does Jack Elam meet his Waterloo in this movie? I can't remember his characters conclusion.

This has always been one of my favourite westerns and very much
underrated in my opinion.

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DVDBeaver has just posted its advance review (with frame grabs) of the Comancheros Blu-ray. (Release date is Tuesday, May 17.) I'm sure there will be more reviews to come.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews54/comancheros_blu-ray.htm

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Great stuff as always lasbugas.

Cinema Retro magazine has a lengthy article debating whether or not "Rio Conchos" (1964) is a remake of "The Comancheros" (1961). Both plots pivot around stolen rifles and the films share the same screenwriter, Clair Huffaker, and co-star, Stuart Whitman.
I'll save you the purchase price by telling you that the author concludes that despite these and some other minor similarities, they are two films of completely different temperments.
I was gratified to read this article and appreciate the attention shown to two of my favorite westerns.
Cinema retro is on line as well at wwwcinemaretro.com



We deal in lead, friend.

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Two thumbs Up! It's high on my list!

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