RIO GRANDE

PRODUCED BY JOHN FORD and MERIAN C. COOPER
DIRECTED BY JOHN FORD
ARGOSY PRODUCTION
REPUBLIC PICTURES

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INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary
Rio Grande takes place after the Civil War when the Union
turned their attention towards the Apaches.
Union officer Kirby Yorke is in charge of an outpost on the Rio Grande
in which he is in charge of training of new recruits one of which
is his son whom he hasn't seen in 15 years.
He whips him into shape to take on the Apaches
but not before his mother shows up to take him out of there.
The decision to leave is left up to Trooper Yorke who decides to stay and fight.
Through it all Kirby and Kathleen though separated for years fall back into love
and decide that it's time to give it another try.
But Yorke faces his toughest battle when his unorthodox plan
to outwit the elusive Apaches leads to possible court- martial.
Locked in a bloody Indian war, he must fight to redeem his honor
and save the love and lives of his broken family
Summary written by Christopher D. Ryan

Full Cast
John Wayne .... Lt. Col. Kirby Yorke
Maureen O'Hara .... Mrs. Kathleen Yorke
Ben Johnson .... Trooper Travis Tyree
Claude Jarman Jr. .... Trooper Jefferson 'Jeff' Yorke
Harry Carey Jr. .... Trooper Daniel 'Sandy' Boone
Chill Wills .... Dr. Wilkins (regimental surgeon)
J. Carrol Naish .... Lt. Gen. Philip Sheridan
Victor McLaglen .... Sgt. Maj. Timothy Quincannon
Grant Withers .... U.S. Deputy Marshal
Peter Ortiz .... Capt. St. Jacques
Steve Pendleton .... Capt. Prescott
Karolyn Grimes .... Margaret Mary
Alberto Morin .... Lieutenant
Stan Jones .... Sergeant
Fred Kennedy .... Trooper Heinze

Sons of the Pioneers .... Regimental Musicians (as Sons of the Pioneers)
Ken Curtis .... Donnelly (regimental singer) (uncredited)
Tommy Doss .... Regimental singer (uncredited)
Hugh Farr .... Regimental singer (uncredited)
Karl Farr .... Regimental singer (uncredited)
Shug Fisher .... Regimental singer/Bugler (uncredited)

Cliff Lyons .... Soldier (uncredited)
Lee Morgan .... (uncredited)
Jack Pennick .... Sergeant (uncredited)
Lloyd Perryman .... Regimental singer (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... Officer/Indian who fires arrow into Col. York's chest (uncredited)
Barlow Simpson .... Indian chief (uncredited)
Patrick Wayne .... Boy (uncredited)

Writing Credits
James Warner Bellah story Mission With No Record
James Kevin McGuinness screenplay

Produced
Merian C. Cooper .... producer (uncredited)
John Ford .... producer (uncredited)

Original Music
Victor Young

Cinematography
Bert Glennon

Original Music
Dale Evans (song "Aha, San Antone")
Stan Jones (songs "My Gal is Purple", "Footsore Cavalry" and "Yellow Stripes")
Tex Owens (song "Cattle Call")
Victor Young

Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Wingate Smith .... assistant director
Cliff Lyons .... second unit director (uncredited)

Stunts
Jerry Brown .... stunts (uncredited)
Everett Creach .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Hayward .... stunts (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Kennedy .... stunts (uncredited)
Cliff Lyons .... stunts (uncredited)
Frank McGrath .... stunts (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
Bob Rose .... stunts (uncredited)
Barlow Simpson .... stunts (uncredited)
Norm Taylor .... stunt double (uncredited)
Terry Wilson .... stunts (uncredited)

Other crew
Dale Evans .... lyricist: "Aha, San Antone"
D.R.O. Hatswell .... uniforms (as D.R. Overall Hatswell)
Stan Jones .... lyricist: "My Gal is Purple", "Footsore Cavalry" and "Yellow Stripes"
Philip Kieffer .... technical advisor (as Major Philip H. Kieffer)
Archie Stout .... camera operator: second unit
Herbert J. Yates .... presenter
Barbara Ford .... assistant editor (uncredited)
Norm Taylor .... driver: cavalry wagon (uncredited)

Trivia
Two stunt men drowned while filming a river crossing sequence.

John Ford recycled the stampeding of the pony herd sound effect from She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949) for the rescue charge.

In order to get approval for a film he very much wanted to make, The Quiet Man (1952), John Ford had to agree to Herbert J. Yates, head of Republic Pictures, to make this film, starring both John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara. Republic believed that "The Quiet Man" would tank at the box office and thought a western would recoup that film's expected losses.

Ben Johnson (Tyree) and Victor McLaglen (Quincannon) had the same character names in both this film and She Wore a Yellow Ribbon (1949). The oddity is in "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon"--released before this one-- they were older soldiers with higher ranks than in this film.

John Wayne wore a smaller hairpiece than usual to make his character look slightly older.

First of five movies that paired John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara.

John Wayne's first film with Maureen O'Hara. They starred together five times and would become known as one of Hollywood's greatest on-screen couples.

Film debut of Patrick Wayne.

Goofs
* Continuity: Col. York's saber & scabbard disappear from his saddle when he gets shot by an arrow.

* Continuity: When Tyree steals Colonel York's horse, he rides off bareback, carrying a saddle only. Later, his horse is saddled complete with blanket.

* Continuity: After hearing his son's name in the new arrivals' role call, Col. York comes out to speak to the troops. When he does, he puts his hat on twice.

* Continuity: On the covered wagon carrying Kathleen Yorke during the Indian attack, when the driver falls off the canvas behind Mrs Yorke is wide open. Later when another trooper jumps on to drive the wagon the canvas is closed tightly.

* Crew or equipment visible: During the Indian attack on the wagon train, Kathleen Yorke is in the driver's seat of a wagon by herself. There is another person visible in the back of the wagon who has the reins and is driving the wagon.

* Anachronisms: When the regimental singers are serenading Kathleen Yorke and General Sheridan outside Colonel Yorke's tent there are several lanterns hanging from the top of the opening. The lantern on the right side of the tent post clearly has an electric light bulb in it.

* Continuity: After the wagon train is rescued, Sandy Boone remains behind with Mrs. Yorke as the command rides off in pursuit of the captured children. Later, he is present with the troops to be picked by Tyree to sneak into the Mexican village.

* Revealing mistakes: When Lt. Col. Yorke checks his son's height on the tent, you can see previous marks from another take.

* Audio/visual unsynchronized: When Recall is sounded after the children are rescued you hear the call blown, then it stops. The horn is still being blown after the call stops.

* Continuity: When Quincannon is addressing the recruits about horsemanship, Sandy takes his hand out of his pocket and removes the hay straw from his mouth. When the camera angle changes to behind Sandy, he has his thumb looped through his suspenders and the straw is back in his mouth. When it changes to the front view of Sandy, his hand is back in his pocket.

* Continuity: While the guests are entering the grandstand, one of the troopers being honored is missing (Indian scout). He shows up in the next scene as the last man in line.

* Continuity: For most of the movie, the troopers are carrying trapdoor carbines, including the escort for the women and children. Of the three troopers who entered the church, Boone and Yorke had been a part of the escort however, Tyree escaped from the fort without any weapons. The rest of the troop and the skirmishers are now carrying Winchester rifles when they charge the village.

* Revealing mistakes: When the Indian who shoots Lt. Col. York (John Wayne) with an arrow in the village is aiming at the Colonel from a window, the arrow clearly has no sharp tip on it at all, it's simply a rounded blunt end like a practice arrow.

* Revealing mistakes: When the Indian in the window lines up his aim to shoot John Wayne you can see there is no arrowhead on the tip.

* Continuity: When Travis meets up with Sandy and Jeff as they escort the children, he jumps off his horse and sits on the ground just in front of it. After Sandy gives him a can of beans Travis is sitting to the side of the horse, then to the front of it, then to the side of it. It looks like half the scene was filmed in a studio with Travis beside the horse and half in the open with Travis in front of the horse.

* Revealing mistakes: Although Tyree is supposed to have stolen Colonel Yorke's horse, it is clearly a different horse and Yorke in fact continues to ride the same horse he had before.

* Anachronisms: The movie is set in the around 1879-1880, 15 years after General Sheridan's campaign through the Shenandoah Valley. One of the songs in the movie, "Down by the Glenside (The Bold Fenian Men)," however, was not written until 1916.

Memorable Quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042895/quotes)

Filming Locations
Colorado River, Moab, Utah, USA
Ida Gulch, Moab, Utah, USA
Mexican Hat, Utah, USA
Moab, Utah, USA
Monument Valley, Utah, USA
Onion Creek Narrows, Moab, Utah, USA
Professor Valley, Moab, Utah, USA
White's Ranch - Milepost 14 Utah Hwy 128, Moab, Utah, USA

Memorable Quotes

[toasting]
Mrs. Kathleen York: To my only rival, the United States Cavalry.

[Lt. Col. York lectures new recruits]
Lt. Col. Kirby York: I don't want you men to be fooled about what's coming up for you. Torture,
at least that. The War Department promised me 180 men. They sent me eighteen
. You are the eighteen...so each of you will have to do the work of ten men. If you fail,
I'll have you spread-eagled on a wagon wheel. If you desert, you'll be found, tracked down and broken into bits. That is all.

Lt. Col. Kirby York: But put out of your mind any romantic ideas that it's a way of glory.
It's a life of suffering and hardship, an uncompromising devotion to your oath and your duty.

Lt. Col. Kirby York: But he must learn that a man's word to anything, even his own destruction, is his honor.

Gen. Philip Sheridan: I'm going to issue you an order and give it to you personally.
I want you to cross the Rio Grande, hit the Apache and burn him out. I'm tired of hit-and-run. I'm sick of diplomatic hide-and-seek.

[York plans the rescue of children held prisoner by Apaches]
Lt. Col. Kirby York: Is it dark enough for you to get in there?
Trooper Travis Tyree: With two men I pick, sir.
Lt. Col. Kirby York: Two men you pick? I know you're a excellent judge of horse flesh, Trooper Tyree.
You proved that when you stole my horse. But how are you as a judge of men for a dangerous mission?
Trooper Travis Tyree: I consider myself a good judge of men I trust, sir.

Lt. Col. Kirby York: Any liquor in this village?
Trooper Travis Tyree: Mucho tequila. They were slugging it down copious like when I left.
Lt. Col. Kirby York: Drums? Singing?
Trooper Travis Tyree: Yes, sir.
Lt. Col. Kirby York: Vengeance dance. They'll dance until dawn.

INFORMATION IMDb

Hi,
Part 3 of the John Ford trilogy, is this one.
As I said before, it's very easy to review the cavalry movies,
because all three, are brilliant.
RIO GRANDE, is considered as probably the weakest of the trio,
mainly because it's existence, stems from the need to fund THE QUIET MAN.
Herbert J. Yates, boss of REPUBLIC, insisted that Ford make a commercial western,
before he would agree, to finance the Irish picture.
Hence the film was born, and for the first time, significantly
we the see for the first time the pairing of Duke with Maureen O'Hara.
a combination, which would prove to be the most successful, in Duke's career.
It was macho man, with macho woman,, and they harmonized totally in
the 5 pictures they made.
Their chemistry was more sexual, than he had with other actresses,
and their attraction was plausible.

Maureen said,
There was a chemistry between us, that you don't get very often, in the picture business.....
It was there with Spencer Tracy and Ketherine Hepburn, and with William Powell and Myrna Loy.
But I was tall and strong, and Duke was tall and strong.

Duke once again, was cast as a reserved military man, as indeed he was in FORT APACHE. and gave an excellent performance.
Duke's fatherly, watchful eye, over younger lovers, was a a role,
that would become a recurring theme, in later films.
Duke was well supported by the Ford Stock company,Victor,Harry Carey Jr., Ben Johnson and Grant Withers, along with the directors favourite wranglers and stuntmen.
Two of the stuntmen tragically died, whilst making this film,
a point that Bill and I discussed in another thread.
Triumphant Conclusion to Cavalry Trilogy!, 21 April 2003
Author: Ben Burgraff (cariart) from Las Vegas, Nevada

'Rio Grande', the last of director John Ford's 'unofficial' Cavalry Trilogy,*
has often been unfairly judged the 'weakest' of the three westerns. Certainly, it lacks the poetic quality of 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon',*
or the revisionist view of a thinly-disguised reworking of the events surrounding the death of George Armstrong Custer ('Fort Apache'),
but for richness of detail, a sense of the camaraderie of cavalrymen, an 'adult' (in the best sense of the word)
love story, and a symbolic 'rejoining' of North and South conclusion that may have you tapping your toe, 'Rio Grande' is hard to beat!

It is remarkable that 'Rio Grande' ever got to the screen; Ford hadn't planned to make it,*
but in order to get Republic Pictures to agree to his demands for 'The Quiet Man' (he wanted the film to be shot on location in Ireland, and in color),
he had to agree to do a 'quickie' western that would turn a quick profit for the usually cash-strapped studio.*
This is, perhaps, a reason why the film is held in less esteem than it deserves. 'Rio Grande' may have not been born with high expectations,*
but with John Ford in the director's chair, and John Wayne and the Ford 'family' in the cast and crew, the potential for something 'special' was ALWAYS present!

A few bits of trivia to enhance your viewing pleasure:*
Yes, that IS Ken Curtis, singing with The Sons of the Pioneers, in the film...while uncredited, he made a favorable impression with Ford,*
and soon became a part of his 'family'...Ben Johnson, Harry Carey, Jr,
and Claude Jarman, Jr, actually did their own stunts while performing the 'Roman Style' riding sequence
(Carey said in interviews that they were all young, and didn't think about the danger of it;
a production would lose their insurance if they 'allowed' three major performers to do something as risky, today!)...Did you know that O'Hara,*
playing Jarman's 'mother', was barely 14 years older than her 'son', and was only 29 at the time of the filming?...
Harry Carey barely had any lines in the script; most of what you see in the film was ad-libbed!...the popular ditty, 'San Antoine', sung by Jarman, Carey, Johnson, and Curtis, was, in fact, written by Mrs. Roy Rogers, herself, Dale Evans!

Whether you're viewing 'Rio Grande' for the first time, or have sat through many viewings, the film has a richness and sense of nostalgia for a West that 'may never have existed, but SHOULD have'.*
It would be a proud addition to any collector's library!
Ford shot the film, near Mohab, Utah, and to help with the budget,
Duke halved his fee, and the film was shot in black and white.
Rating 9/10

Hi

Reading the review of the film, i tink I must have watched another version or perhaps I'm splitting hairs. as I remember it Sheridan and Kirby discuss a raid into Mexico and sheridan gives Yorke a direct order telling him that on his return the court martial will consist of officers who rode down the Shenendoah with him during the war.

At no time does he have to fight to redeem his honour or reputation.

but as I say perhaps I'm splittig hairs.

Regard

Arthur

Hi all,
Rio Grande is my favorite from the three and I'm always surprised to read that it is the weakest of the trilogy. never can agree with this. I think that the all three are very much different and it is unfair to compare them as art subjects. They can be compared only as subjects of love and attraction of audience. And I like it not only because it was the first time with Maureen, I take it in the whole with direction, storyline, dialog and casting and of course Duke at the first place. He is brilliant in that role.
Regards,
Senta

This movie was a little late in entering our collection, but worth the wait.

Especially interesting was the commentary from Maureen O'Hara, on the DVD.

Amazingly enough, this film is not available on DVD at Deep Discount, although they do have some movie posters (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&lbc=deepdiscountdvd&uid=439913058&ts=custom&w=rio%20grande&af=format_posters&isort=score&method=and&format=fp3).

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006JMRF/qid=1139209239/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-2966141-4147854?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130) has the "Collector's Edition" (that is the one I have). Good special features.

Chester :newyear:

Keith,

This is another film of the Trilogy that I will have a little something to say about. You can go to the Site Below for a Look See. :rolleyes:

RIO GRANDE (http://www.wyntoontrip.com/RIOGRANDEA.html)

Chilibill :cowboy:

Just got and watched "Rio Grande." It was great. I especially liked the music. I think it was "Sons of the Pioneers". In the film, they sing a song which I think is named "Erie Canal." Didn't Bruce Springsteend Jusst record that? I love the old Western stuff but ddon't know much about it. I know "Riders in the Sky and Chris Led Deuc(sp?) But not many others. Other suggestionsss?

Harry;

If you liked Rio Grande, you will also like the first two Duke, Ford films of the so called "Triogy" "Fort Apache" and "She wore a Yellow Ribbon." For a little picture Tour of the other two you can go to the Site below.

THE TRILOGY (http://www.wyntoontrip.com/FORTAPACHE.html)

Chilibill :cowboy: :cowboy: :cowboy:

If it's western music your looking for Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys, Sons of the San Joaquin, Don Edwards, Red Steagall and Waddie Mitchell are just a few.

Hi HarryOO, welcome to the board.

I liked Rio Grande as well but like Bill state above, if you liked Rio Grande, try Fort Apache and She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. In my opinion they were much better films. I just didn't care for the pacing of Rio Grande at times compared to the other 2. Like I said, it was a good movie but I thought the other 3 were better.

Yes, I liked Fort Apache as well. Unfortunately, the only copy I had was on Beta.

Harry00, Fort Apache will be released the beginning of next month on DVD. This will be the official release so you can see a nice version of it.

Originally posted by Panhandle@May 12 2006, 05:07 PM
If it's western music your looking for Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys,* Sons of the San Joaquin,* Don Edwards,* Red Steagall and Waddie Mitchell are just a few.
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Although this is probably better suited for an "off topic" entry, to the above mentioned I'd throw in Michael Martin Murphy, Riders in the Sky, and Bill Barwick (who incidentally does the voice overs on the Westerns Channel. The guy with the deep voice who also sings the "Six Gun Salute" song.).
Best,
Colorado Bob

Rio Grande is the best of the Cavelry trilogy as far as I am concerned. It has a pretty decent plot, a lot of humour (mostly Harry Carey jr.) and the romance in it is good.

I love the duke and Maureen and think they are great on screen together and I found that their romance here was great. Not too movie like, where the girl gets away and then he has to win her back because she no longer wants the guy. That isn't the case. The fact that her character wants and needs the duke is great. The scene at the end with him coming back wounded and her holding his hand is very touching, very refreshing.

This is also the only one of the cavelry films where the duke is the one in love with the woman. The other two have him as the older guy who watches the young bucks fight over a girl.

I am a little disappointed that this film wasn't included in the John Wayne/John Ford box set with the other two. That would have been perfect.

I liked this picture beacuse John Wayne acted just like a father wold.How he measured his and his sons hight in the tent,and how he looked in the hospital window and smilled as his son was given crotting oil.He acted human and still showed he was a leader.

Hi

Not a bad poster it also advertises the CD

regards

Arthur

Hi

Phil Sheridan(J.Carroll Naish) and Kirby Yorke (John Wayne discuss the forthcoming campaign against the Apache.

In orering him to cross the Rio Grande Yorke knows he will be subsequently court martialled but is promised that the board will consist entirely of officer who rode with him through the Shenendoah Valley during the Civil War

Regards

Arthur

Hi

Mr and Mrs Yorke


Regards

Arthur

Hi

Almost the same again

Regards

Arthur

Hi

The footsore cavalry.


Regards

Arthur

Hi

And now in full flow doing what they are good at.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

A fine study of Duke as Kirby Yorke'

Regard

Arthur

Hi

After receiving an arrow wound in the shoulder Jeff removes the arrow. Father and son are reconciled.


Regards

Arthur

Hi

Photo of the young Claude Jarman.


Regards

Arthur

Hi

Nice study of Duke


Regards

Arthur

Hi

John & Patrick Wayne.


Regards

Arthur

Arthur;

Again here is a Picture Story that I put up some time on "Rio Grande" and what a shame that it was not done in Color, as Moab, Utah is very Pretty also, just like Monument Valley and Sedona.
:wub:

http://www.wyntoontrip.com/RIOGRANDE1.html

Bill
:cowboy:

Hi Bill

Great link. Shame Rio Grande was not in colour.

Does anyone know who did the roman gladiator riding on two horses performed by Harry Carey in the movie? Too stand on two horses while galloping I would assume must be dangerous beyond belief. Was the stunt man strapped on somehow?


Mike


Mike

Mike;

John Ford had Harry Carrey jr. and Ben Johnson Do The Stunt after Two Days Practice, remember they had both been doing Many Stunts Before !

Claude Jarman jr. did the Same Stunt Also, and it was known as one of the Greatest Stunts done by a Young and Up Coming Actor of this time in Films.

Bill
:cowboy:

Hi William

I forgot about Ben Johnston when I posted originally.

I cant see any of the today's film stars doing that sort of stunt these days.


Thanks for info


Mike

Mike;
I forgot to tell you, no they were not attached to the Horses, but they did have on Black Rubber Sole Tennis Shoes. But if you look Close the next time that you watch the film you might see that the Horses have "Trace Staps" holding them together so they would not Go In Different Directions.

The day that they shot this Scene the Total Cast and Crew were there to watch this Big Scene, even Us Lowly Extras.

Bill
:cowboy:

Hi Mike and William

In the CD of Rio Grande Harry Carey jr tells the story of how he and Ben Johnson and Claude Jarman got do do the Roman ride.


Regards

Arthur

Hi


Reading back trhough this thread I saw the reference to the Sons of the Pioneers who sang some great sonfs in the picture.

I have couple of photos of the Pioneers the first one shows them with Rex Allen, thanks to Chuck Anderson for identifying them for me, the members are:

Front Row: from left to right

George 'Shug' Fisher (guitar): Ken Curtis:
Rex Allen (in suit standing in front of microphone) Karl Farr (guitar)

Back Row left to right

Hugh Farr (shirt with large Checkerboard Tommy Doss (centre rear directly behind Rex Allen): & Lloyd Perryman (behind Rex Allen and Karl Farr).

The second postcard a picturegoer card I'm not sure if its earlier or later Ken Curtis isn't there I there and I'm not one hundred per cent sure of the others. Perhaps someone can help out.


Regards

Arthur

Hi


I thought that I had already put the extract about the Roman Riding on but I
can't find it so I'll do it now.

The piece is entitled exerpts from a conversation with Harry Carey Jr

'The most adventurous part of 'Rio Grande' was the Roman Riding scene. before you made a picture with Ford he never wanted your agent around, he just wanted you to come over yourself. So Ben and I got together and went over alone on day to see him, over at Republic. The old man sat there for a while, and finally said, "You Guy's know how to Roman Ride?" I said "No sir," and Ben said "No sir" and Ford said "You're going to have to learn it; we're going to have Roman Riding!" We knew what it was and Ben being real careful said, "Well, Mr Ford, how long before we have to know who to do it?" And he said "A month." So Ben looked at me and I looked at him and we both thought, "Oh S**t!.

A wrangler named Kenny Lee broke two teams for us. One was barely broke, so that was the team that Ben rode - they were nuts, but he liked them..... .

Now in Roman Riding you start out on the left hand horse, but we both found out in a hell of a hurry that the minute you get up on him and grab the withers they both take off - you can't hold them and get up at the same time, and the minute they take off down you go. I think Ben sat down a couple of times but pretty soon he made it up, and then I got shamed into it and then I made it up. We were learning it in an exercise arena, a small track going along at a lope. Old man Ford came out about the third day and he watched us and he seemed pleased, even tough we weren't standing up straight yet. Finally this old guy named Hank Potts that I'd known from the time I was a kid came along, he was just back from a location himself. He's raced Roman riding in his youth, and after watching us for a while he said. "You guy's aren't getting anywhere and your'e never going to get better than you are, all squatted down like that. You've got to get out on a straight road and let the b******s run for a good half mile where they can really take off." Well he got us out on a long straightway. It was on Sherman Way, the old Fat Jones stables,and the just flew. It's the getting up that was scary so I started sitting down again - Ben's team threw him off a couple of times too and finally Hank Potts said, "The next time you sit down on that inside horse I'm going to hit you with this rock." So I got up and stayed there, and then I lost my fear - it was amazing, it went away completely, just like that. Then Ford was really happy, cause now wer'e barreling ass around there. He was ecstatic, I'd never seen the old b******d so happy. Finally he said, "I think I'll get Claude to doing it" Claude was 6'2" and weighed about 160 pounds - a big lanky kid, a hell of an athlete. he looked like he was awkward but he wasn't . Now he looked like he barely rode at all, but he came out croupered those horses, jumped up on my team and went down the road no practice. Ben said "Well Jesus Christ" - we wanted to crawl under a board- and Old man Ford said, "Well Jesus it took you guys three weeks for Christ's sake." Ben said "He's never been hurt before Mr Ford." Ford said, "What?" he made you repeat everything. "Well his never been mashed up or hurt, he's not afraid." You're goddam right he's not afraid!" So Claude rode too - he used my team since we only had two. It was unusual for people who had critical parts in a movie to do that kind of stunt, but Ford would do it. We shot that Roman riding sequence right in the middle of the picture and we were even out Roman riding every morning on location.

Harry Carey jr then goes on to say that the next morning both he and Ben Johnsone could barely walk and had to go to a nearby town to visit a physiotherapist while Jarman felt no ill effects whatever.


Regards

Arthur

Arthur,

Thanks for sharing that - truly a great story! It has always amazed me how those guys just jumped up on those horses and started riding that way. It hadn't dawned on me how much practice they had done to accomplish that.

Chester :newyear:

Great information William & Arthur.

It must have been an amazing sight to witness. I cant think of any other western that repeated such a stunt.

Mike

One thing that has always surprised me about this movie is that many find this to be the strongest of the trilogy, I myself feel that Yellow Ribbon is the best of the trilogy. Maureen O'Hara is the only reason why this film would rank higher than Ribbon, but beyond that I am at a loss.

I just watch Rio Grande, what a great John Wayne/John Ford Classic. Ben Johnson, Harry Carey Jr. Victor McLaglen and of course the woman that could handle the Duke, Maureen O'Hara. I have seen this movie at least 30 times. When it comes on TV I will stop and watch it all over again.

The chemistry between Wayne and O'Hara is electric. Ben Johnson and Harry Carey Jr. worked so well off one another. Victor McLauglen is just the best at what he does in any Wayne movie. A time of really good, decent films and some top notch actors. Not the HollyWeirds we have today. These people had class.

I have loved John Wayne all my life. What's not to love and admire about a man with character, love of family, friends and country? He is the AMERICAN ICON. You think of America, patriotism, strength the 6' 4" image of John Wayne has to pop into your mind's eye. I love em and I still miss him. The day he died :broken_heart: I felt as if I lost a member of my family. :cry2:

. The day he died :broken_heart: I felt as if I lost a member of my family. :cry2:

Amen brother. . .

Harry Carey Jr. was great in Rio Grande! The horse riding scene where Victor McLaglen was going to make them into 'horsemen' was wonderful! That was one of many memorable, great moments for those two in that film. Thank God for film, classic moments frozen in time, embedded in our minds and hearts forever.

:angel1:

Good, solid, clean Americana, something to hinge your morals, patriotism upon and someone to look up too. A man you could only hope your son's would emulate when they became men, that was what the Duke was and still is to this day. That is why he, even in death is so very popular. Larger than life........and one of the best part of mine.

This movie was a little late in entering our collection, but worth the wait.

Especially interesting was the commentary from Maureen O'Hara, on the DVD.

Amazingly enough, this film is not available on DVD at Deep Discount, although they do have some movie posters (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&lbc=deepdiscountdvd&uid=439913058&ts=custom&w=rio%20grande&af=format_posters&isort=score&method=and&format=fp3).

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006JMRF/qid=1139209239/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-2966141-4147854?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130) has the "Collector's Edition" (that is the one I have). Good special features.
Just a little update - Deep Discount most definitely does have this film now, and at a very reasonable price ($6.69, and free shipping!), along with several choices of posters -

http://search.deepdiscount.com/search?w=rio%20grande&

And speaking of posters, the one I have to share is very different from the one Keith shares in his introductory post to this thread.

1976

The 1956 reissue poster differs only in the coloring -

1977

Here is another Film Facts from Clive Woollands (see this post (http://www.dukewayne.com/post50290-1.html) for more information) -

Howdy folks. I'm glad everybody likes all the trivia about John Wayne films lately; here is another film fact, this time from Rio Grande. I hope you like it.

Producers: Merian C. Cooper, John Ford, Screenplay: James Kevin
McGuinnes, Cinematographer: Bert Glennon, Art Director: Frank
Hotaling, Editor: Jack Murray, Distribution: Republic Pictures,
Location: Moab, Utah, Cost of Production: $1.21 million, Date of
production: 1950.

John Ford used the same sound effect for Rio Grande's rescue charge as he's previously used for the pony herd noise in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.
The original script called for a less badly injured Kirby and Kathleen to share a passionate kiss at the end. Ford changed it to the simpler and much more touching hand holding moment as Kirby's stretcher enters the camp.
Though only 16, Claude Jarman Jr already had an Oscar under his belt. He was awarded a special Academy Award for his film debut in The Yearling (1946).
After an argument on the set of Rio Grande, John Ford and regular actor Ben Johnson managed to maintain an amiable relationship until the shoot was over. But then Ford, notorious for bearing grudges, didn't hire Johnson for another movie for 14 years, when he finally relented and gave him a small part in Cheyenne Autumn.
Karolyn Grimes, who plays the little girl Margaret Mary, also played James Stewart's daughter Zuzu in Christmas classic It's a Wonderful Life (1946).

Again here is a Film that I know a Little about, the Last Film of The Trilogy "Rio Grande" and with Maureen as Duke's Sweetheart and Wife What Could Be Better !!!
:wub:

http://www.ranch26bar.com/RGSTORY.html

Chilibill
:cowboy:

O'Hara was a spitfire of a woman, a real red head that could stand up to anything the Duke dished out. They had the chemistry, the electricity. There will never be another quiet like those two. :cry2:I miss that.

Here is a japanese press sheet for Rio Grande in 1960.
Wayne's face of this sheet is not seen on the film

http://www.dukewayne.com/imagehosting/10864801a533c90d8.jpg
H.sanada

Some well cast bit parts in Rio Grande include corporal Bell's wife (a very vulnerable looking woman) who meets a horrible fate, the sour sheriff and his morose, silent obese deputy "The sergeant will pay for the drinks" and the (rare for Ford) close up of an exceptionally mean looking Apache letting off the arrow that downs Kirby York.

Just realized that Duke made only 5 Westerns in the 1950's and Rio Grande is one of these.:frusty:

Certainly a movie which involves John Wayne & Maureen O'Hara & John Ford cannot be a bad one. Not to forget Ben Johnson and Victor McLaglen. The chemistry between Maureen and Duke is great and every scene with both is worth to watch. The first part of this movie introduces the characters, has more family drama, some funny scenes, some singing and a spectacular horse action scene. The second part is more suspenseful with a lot of great action scenes. The photography and scenery are breathtaking and beautiful as usually in a Ford Movie. Rio Grande would have been looked great in colour. It's nothing more to say that Rio Grande is a Good one!:pizza:

BTW one of my favourite scene is the last one: Maureen is smiling to the Duke !

I love Rio grande..on my right bicep is my tattoo of JohnWayne as Capt Nathan Brittles in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.

Rio Grande was just a After Thought with John Ford, as He was Just Trying to Get The Money From Hurbert Yates To Do The Quiet Man.
But am I glad That They Did The Film and Got The Money For The Quiet Man !
Chilibill
:cowboy:

I love Rio Grande. I cant believe it was considered the weakest of the cavalry trio. I love the music, the story, the casting with Maureen O Hara and Harry Carey Junior. Also he cuts a very romantic figure in this film

It's my favorite of the three, mostly because of the teaming of Duke and Maureen, but also because of the character played by Ben Johnson. Great movie.

i love this movie.the cast is great,the location and the film has great humour.ben johnson and harry carey jr play well together.

Is it a joke?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExqbAhvCQZE&feature=related
UFO caught during the movie Rio Grande.

Is it a joke?
UFO caught during the movie Rio Grande.

Strangely this is also the picture I chose for the
review on the opening post, with the 'UFO' highlighted!

I think that it's not certain what is in the background (alien?? or what??), but something is there, to be sure. I guess if one believes in UFOs then that's what they see. If one doesn't necessarily believe in UFOs, then one figures it's something else, even if it can't be definitively identified.

Chester :newyear:

I agree with Ringo...Harry Carey Jr and Ben Johnson are great. Victor and Maureen are very good and Duke was The Duke.

Lobby Card Mexicaine

http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/11/97/59/03/rio_gr10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=3655&u=11975903)

I like the Mexican "lobby Card". Thanks for adding it to this post.:shades_smile:

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The HDNet Movies Channel will be showing Rio Grande in High Definition throughout April and into May. The first broadcast is April 10 at 6:30 p.m. EST.

Go here for the schedule:
http://www.hdnetmovies.com/schedules/

Put "Rio Grande" into the search engine at this schedule page and you'll come up with the schedule for the film.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Rio Grande in HD!

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:wink_smile:

Shot in less than six weeks in Utah, the film is the last of the trilogy of cavalry John Ford. This film was the part-cons to make the movie "The Quiet Man".

For the first time Duke and Maureen rotate together. This is the beginning of a great friendship ...

a short video (http://www.archive-host.com/video.php?id=bc5ed3f4fe1ee28285c4980976f69f4aba687 da5.mp4)

and the Original trailer (http://www.archive-host.com/video.php?id=c0cc62a42b8d4b1d54f8f3f08629f1362c184 fcb.mp4)

Good reading!

.................. picture from the film ..........

................................. See below ......................

Rio Grande was one of two movies where John starred with Chill Wills. There were some actors that John Wayne worked with that he did not like. Chill wills was one of them. Does anybody know why? ( I read that in a book, just how true that is i do
not know.)

Rio Grande was one of two movies where John starred with Chill Wills. There were some actors that John Wayne worked with that he did not like. Chill wills was one of them. Does anybody know why? ( I read that in a book, just how true that is i do
not know.)
Actually Bill, Chill Wills made Four movies with Duke:-

McLintock! (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1857) (1963) .... Drago
The Alamo (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=3755) (1960) .... Beekeeper
Rio Grande (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1920) (1950) .... Dr. Wilkins (regimental surgeon)
Allegheny Uprising (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1855) (1939) .... John M'Cammon

May I take this opportunity to point you to our
Pals Of The Saddle- Forum (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=5406)
Where many of your questions will be answered.
Particularly here
Pals Of The Saddle- Chill Wills (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=2080)

However Duke DID like Chill, but if you read our post in that thread,
You will note Duke had every good reason not to speak to him again!!

It begins:-
Chill Wills, character actor, and liked by Duke, although it's a wonder,
he ever spoke to him again, after totally losing Duke an Alamo
Oscar, by his own personal comments!!

:wink_smile:

After the beautiful pictures of lasbugas, ...

............................. The pictures from the film .......................

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This is a picture of my guy Ben Johnson from Rio Grande, though this particular publicity still was not for Rio Grande, but for a 1977 documentary called That's Action!, which appears to have been about the action genre with a lot of clips from action movies. I guess that includes westerns. ;) A bit of history: That's Action! was directed by G. David Schine, who experienced some notoriety in the 1950s as the right-hand man to Roy Cohn, who was Sen. Joseph McCarthy's chief counsel on the Senate committee investigating Communism. (I am NOT making any political remarks, just relating some history). Schine went on to a very successful career as a businessman and film and music producer -- his producer credits include The French Connection.

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/pvitari/Ben%20Pics/ThatsActionM.jpg

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True, Ben is very comfortable on horseback ... He is very talented!

Lasbugas posted this photo a while back but I thought I'd post it again as I did a new version of it from a vintage publicity still I got from ebay. I think this still sets a record for pin holes, at least for photos in my personal collection. :)

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/pvitari/Ben%20Pics/RioGrande-6M.jpg

Thank you, nice picture, but how many floodlights to illuminate the scene?

I count five lanterns. :)

It's possible! The bottom is it natural or it's filmed in a studio?

I think this is a studio setting

Not only is it a studio setting, it looks posed for the photographer, rather than being a frame from the movie itself.

Here's another Rio Grande still I'm about to post to my Ben Johnson webpage. :)

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/pvitari/Ben%20Pics/RioGrande-7M.jpg

I remember very well the arrival of the "son" of Duke ...

The HDNet Movies Channel will be showing Rio Grande in High Definition throughout April and into May. The first broadcast is April 10 at 6:30 p.m. EST.

Go here for the schedule:
http://www.hdnetmovies.com/schedules/

Put "Rio Grande" into the search engine at this schedule page and you'll come up with the schedule for the film.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Rio Grande in HD!

I found this post by searching your site ...

I do not want to disappoint you, but if the film was shot in standard his quality is not good in HD.

You really have to shoot in 16:9 for HD quality.

At least that's my opinion!

How was the outcome?

I do not want to disappoint you, but if the film was shot in standard his quality is not good in HD.

Romy, you are confusing movies shot in HD with HD transfers onto blu-ray and HD broadcasts on television.

Furthermore, the picture information available on 35mm film stock (Rio Grande was shot in 35mm) is much greater than whatever you're going to see on a blu-ray or a TV broadcast.

You really have to shoot in 16:9 for HD quality.

No you don't, you're confusing HD film processes again with HD videos. 35mm makes gorgeous blu-rays, although the final product depends on a solid HD master from the 35mm elements (photochemical and/or digital restoration may be required too) and then the decisions made in the lab when the technicians make the HD master for blu-ray. (There have been bad blu-rays, but because they're badly done transfers, not because the original film is in bad shape.) Just take a look at, say, the new blu-rays of The Red Shoes, Ben-Hur or Meet Me in St. Louis to see how great classic movies can look on Blu-ray (i.e., high definition).

How was the outcome?

Outcome of what?

As for the broadcast of Rio Grande in High Definition -- which is still on my DVR -- it looks like they took the existing video master and did an HD broadcast, which looks OK but there is a fair amount of artifacting and you can still see that they didn't do a true HD 1080p broadcast. Some day maybe we'll get lucky and the folks that own Rio Grande will make a new HD master and put it out on Blu-ray, but who knows. At least we have Warner Home Entertainment's Fort Apache to look forward to and I'm keeping my fingers crossed Warner does She Wore a Yellow Ribbon next.

Thank you for these details that show your knowledge in this field. I did not think too much when I answered because I did not know they could still use a master in 35 mm film.
In this case, apart from the problem of format, quality can be very good.

Romy, you need to check out some of the John Wayne blu-rays. You'll see how great 35mm can look on blu-ray. ;)

I do not doubt your word, Paula! But I'm sorry because I do not have Blu-Ray ... :ohwell:

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:omg:

Very nice photo. Unpublished for me. thank you.

One alone regret, the mast (?) that shares the image in two!

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From the November 1950 issue of a magazine called Movie Stars Parade -- the cast of Rio Grande takes a break from filming and attends a broadcast of Rex Allen's nationally syndicated radio show at the Moab, Utah high school auditorium. :)

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:wink_smile:

Thank you Paula. I saw a small photo of Maureen. If you have others, do not hesitate!!!

Romy, I clipped the two Maureen photos from the article above so you can have bigger versions. Also, here is the one Rio Grande photo I have with Maureen (I think it's been posted here before but I don't feel like looking for it.) :)

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4633/maureen1.jpg

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/489/maureen2.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/914/riograndesmaller.jpg

:wink_smile:

Great! Thank you Paula. I didn't know the first photo. But who is Rex?...

Rex Allen was a very popular singer, actor and songwriter. He had a very pleasing baritone voice and did a lot of narration for Disney films too. Here is his biography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Allen

He and Ben Johnson made another movie together, Tomboy and the Champ (which just came out on DVD from VCI Classics). Rex has a small role in it -- he sings an encouraging song to the 13-year-old heroine who is upset that her bull did not win a championship.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/2230/tomboy24.jpg

:thumbs_up: Thank you again, Paula!