ANGEL AND THE BADMAN

WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY JAMES EDWARD GRANT
PRODUCED BY JOHN WAYNE
MUSIC BY RICHARD HAGEMAN
JOHN WAYNE PRODUCTIONS
REPUBLIC PICTURES

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INFORMATION FROM IMDb

Plot Summary
Quirt Evens an all round bad guy is nursed back to health and sought after by
Penelope Worth a quaker girl.
He eventually finds himself having to choose from his world or the world
from which Penelope lives by.
Summary written by Christopher D. Ryan

Full Cast
John Wayne .... Quirt Evans
Gail Russell .... Penelope Worth
Harry Carey .... Territorial Marshal Wistful McClintock
Bruce Cabot .... Laredo Stevens
Irene Rich .... Mrs. Worth
Lee Dixon .... Randy McCall (Quirt's partner)
Stephen Grant .... Johnny Worth
Tom Powers .... Dr. Mangram
Paul Hurst .... Frederick Carson (Worth's neighbor)
Olin Howland .... Bradley (town telegrapher) (as Olin Howlin)
John Halloran .... Thomas Worth
Joan Barton .... Lila Neal (saloon singer ['The Western Nightingale'] in Red Rock)
Craig Woods .... Ward Withers
Marshall Reed .... Nelson (Quaker horseshoer)
Doc Adams .... Quaker (uncredited)
Rosemary Bertrand .... Christine Taylor (uncredited)
Symona Boniface .... Dance Hall Madam (uncredited)
Bob Burns .... Quaker Meeting member (uncredited)
Wade Crosby .... Baker brother #2 (uncredited)
Steve Darrell .... Gambler (uncredited)
Kenne Duncan .... Gambler (uncredited)
Geraldine Farnum .... Saloon girl (uncredited)
Louis Faust .... Hondo Jeffries, Bad guy who in chase gets knocked off horse by tree branch (uncredited)
Paul Fix .... Mouse Marr (uncredited)
Pat Flaherty .... Baker brother (uncredited)
Lew Harvey .... Gambler (uncredited)
Jack Kirk .... Carson Ranchhand (uncredited)
Rex Lease .... Roulette croupier (uncredited)
Cactus Mack .... Quaker (uncredited)
LeRoy Mason .... Lefty Wilson (uncredited)
Jack Montgomery .... Carson Ranchhand (uncredited)
Bert Moorhouse .... Gambler (uncredited)
Al Murphy .... Bartender (uncredited)
William Newell .... Headwaiter (uncredited)
Jack O'Shea .... Barfly (uncredited)
Eddie Parker .... Baker Brother (uncredited)
Stanley Price .... Gambler (uncredited)
John Shay .... Gambler (uncredited)
Jack Stoney .... Baker Brother (uncredited)
Ken Terrell .... Brawl spectator (uncredited)
Tony Travers .... Hernan (uncredited)
Crane Whitley .... Bit Role (uncredited)
Norman Willis .... Gambler (uncredited) (as Jack Norman)
Hank Worden .... Townsman (uncredited)

Writing Credits
James Edward Grant

Produced
John Wayne .... producer (uncredited)

Original Music
Richard Hageman

Cinematography
Archie Stout

Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Yakima Canutt .... second unit director
Harvey Dwight .... assistant director (uncredited)

Stunts
Richard Farnsworth .... stunts (uncredited)
Fred Graham .... stunt double: John Wayne (uncredited)
John Hudkins .... stunts (uncredited)
Ben Johnson .... stunt double (uncredited)
Chuck Roberson .... stunts (uncredited)
Jack Stoney .... stunts (uncredited)
Henry Wills .... stunts (uncredited)

Trivia
The first film produced by John Wayne.

Quirt Evans is treated with laudanum while recovering at the Worth house from his injuries. He is treated with laudanum again in The Shootist (1976) as J.B. Books to reduce his pain from the effects of cancer.

The passage Randy reads from Quirt's Bible is from either 2 Samuel 23:20-1 or 1 Chronicles 11:22-3.

John Wayne would later star in two films where his eponymous character carried the name of characters from this movie: Hondo (1953) and McLintock! (1963).

"The Hedda Hopper Show - This Is Hollywood" broadcast a 30 minute radio adaptation of the movie on April 5, 1947 with John Wayne reprising his film role.

Goofs
* Anachronisms: The doctor at one point mentions "living in a never never land," an obvious reference to Peter Pan. However, the play did not see its first performance in London until 1904, and the novel was not published until 1911. There is no way anyone living on the 19th-century American frontier could know of Peter Pan's home.

* Revealing mistakes: In the next to the last scene in the movie where the Marshal (Harry Carey) shoots Hondo and Lardo, he kills them with two rapid shots before they can shoot. In the reverse it shows the Marshal cooling his lever action rifle. It would be impossible to fire two shots so rapidly if you had to lever the rifle between shots.

* Continuity: When Quirt pushes between the men at the bar, the bartender pours him a drink and then leaves. The owner then arrives asking for some calm. As Quirt leaves the bar, the bar owner can be heard from behind the Baker brothers still imploring them not to fight, but it is the bartender who can be seen.

* Continuity: A dance hall girl pushes a spectator down onto a gambling table which collapses under him, with the only damage being to the legs of the table. In the next shot, the table is still collapsed but there is a large section of the edge broken off.

* Continuity: When walking down the street for the final showdown, the sun starts off to Quirt's right casting shadows to the left of screen, then a close shot shows shadows which could only come from a near-overhead sun, and then at the saloon the sun is coming from Quirt's left casting shadows to the right.

* Continuity: When Quirt arrives at the saloon, its entrance is in shadow. When Hondo and Laredo come out, they are in full sun.

* Revealing mistakes: The small bag of gold double eagles is thrown to Quirt at the beginning. Gold at the time was $20 a troy ounce and would have consisted of 250 coins. At 14 ounces to the pound, it would have weighed 187.5 pounds, not the mere few pounds the few silver dollars it likely contained.

Memorable Quotes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039152/quotes)

Filming Location
Sedona, Arizona, USA

Watch the Full Movie:-

Angel And The Badman (http://www.archive.org/details/angel_and_the_badman)

Previous discussion:-
Angel And The Badman (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=845)

Memorable Quotes

Quirt Evans: I thought you weren't allowed to work on Sunday.
Penelope Worth: Oh, Quirt, there's nothing we're not allowed to do. It's just that we don't believe in doing what we know is wrong.
Quirt Evans: Well, that makes it pretty much each fella's own guess.
Penelope Worth: But each fella knows inside.
Quirt Evans: Well, there's a lot of gents I wouldn't want to give that much leeway to.

Dr. Mangrum: But of course if you're determined to watch over him, Penny, you'd better take a pencil and paper with you.
His first conscious words should be recorded.
They may be of great interest to history... or more possibly the United States Marshal!
Who knows what violence is involved with his battered frame and his bullet holes.

Bradley: So that's Quirt Evans. He's quite a man with the gals. He's closed the eyes of many men...
and opened the eyes of many women.

Penelope Worth: Surely you can walk to the barn without that!
Quirt Evans: What?
Penelope Worth: The gun!
Quirt Evans: Oh, well, it balances me. One leg is longer than the other. You know, the weight.

[last lines]
Bradley: [the marshal picks up Quirt's gun] Hey, Quirt might need that!
Territorial Marshal Wistful McClintock: No. Only a man that carries a gun ever needs one.
Bradley: What are you going to do with it?
Territorial Marshal Wistful McClintock: Hang it on a wall in my office - with a new rope.

Territorial Marshal Wistful McClintock: You know, Quirt, I always figured on using a new rope when I hanged you...
because I kind of respected ya. You never took the best of things and all your men went down looking at ya.

Territorial Marshal Wistful McClintock: When are you and Laredo Stevens going to get around to killing each other?
Quirt Evans: Laredo? Well, we water our horses at the same trough.
Territorial Marshal Wistful McClintock: Well, I'm sure looking forward to hanging the survivor.

Randy McCall: Ah, you know, Quirt, I hate to shoot people. Remember I shot a wattie once up in Montana.
I dreamed about it all the next night. And then, of course, there's always witnesses. And then you got to shoot the witnesses.

Quirt Evans: He swung a wide loop in his younger days, I think.
Penelope Worth: A wide loop?
Quirt Evans: He wasn't too careful whose calf he threw his rope at.

Quirt Evans: Is that Quaker stuff?
Penelope Worth: Uh huh.
Quirt Evans: You mean that nobody can hurt you but yourself?
Penelope Worth: That's a Friend's belief.
Quirt Evans: Well, suppose someone whacks you over the head with a branding iron? Won't that hurt?
Penelope Worth: Physically, of course. But in reality it would injure only the person doing the act or force of violence.
Only the doer can be hurt by a mean or evil act.
Quirt Evans: Are there very many of you Quakers?
Penelope Worth: Very few.
Quirt Evans: I sort of figured that.

Hondo Jeffries: Hey, why don't we bust in?
Laredo Stevens: Because bustin' through doors with Quirt Evans on the other side isn't my idea of a healthy pastime.

Dr. Mangrum: If I felt cynical, this would be a good opportunity to observe that we're about to see a perfect example of an eye for an eye.
Unfortunately, I can't quote chapter and verse.

INFORMATION IMDb

Hi,
I have been researching all the threads, back to the start of the JWMB,
looking for previous discussion, relating to this movie.
I have found the following, comments, and have copied them here,
so that they are now under one forum:-

The Angel And The Badman, White Hat and Black Hat

William T Brooks*
post Mar 12 2004, 03:48 PM

After you people got me all charged up on the Duke again I got a new copy of "The Angel and the Badman", and after looking at it a few time I saw that "The Duke" as [Quirt Evans] had a White or Light colored Hat on ,then as the film goes on and he "The Duke" goes after Laredo Stevens [Bruce Cabot] suddenly he is using a Black Hat when he is going to be a bad guy again. Then to a White hat as a good guy again. Then back to the black hat at the end of the film to go after Laredo again. I think this was a left over from the old B-Westerns, Good Guy, Bad Guy! At the first part of the film he I using a 5 and 1/2" barreled Colt Pistol and is in Monument Valley with many people after him, and I am one of them. In the next scene he is at Bell Rock in Sedona 175 miles from Monument Valley as the Bird Flys with a run out horse and a Colt pistol with a 4 and 3/4 " barrel ? I know a little about this film as I had a few small non-speaking parts in it back in the late 1940s but I had never seen this before. Good film and love story! I think this was the first film produced by "THE DUKE". Chilibill :cowboy:
chester7777*
post Mar 13 2004, 06:13 AM

QUOTE(William T Brooks @ Mar 12 2004, 07:48 AM)
In the next scene he is at Bell Rock in Sedona 175 miles from Monument Valley as the bird flies, with a run out horse . . . .
I guess a horse would be "run out" after 175 miles!
Speaking of Angel and the Badman, I had my copy out recently and was wondering if we can see you in different parts of the movie? Can you tell us how to spot you? Since you had mentioned in one of your earlier posts that you were in the bar, near the end of the movie, we went through that scene in slow motion (frame by frame) looking for anyone young enough to have been you. There was one guy, at one of the tables on the left, and another at the far end of the bar who looked pretty young. If you feel that you are visible enough, let us know where to watch for you.

Chester :newyear:
William T Brooks*
post Mar 13 2004, 10:26 AM

Chester; At the first of the film at Monument Valley as one of the men on horse back after Quirt Evans.
One of the men on horse back with Laredo Stevens with the cattle herd.
One of Quaker men with a fake beard at the Sunday get together when they give the Bible to Quirt Evans.
One of young bad guys at the bar at the end of the film.
One of the men that come out of the bar to look at Laredo and his right hand man on the ground after Marshal Wisful McClintock [Harry Carey] shoots them.
Chilibill :cowboy:
itdo*
post Mar 13 2004, 03:03 PM

That's great, Chilibill!
I'll watch out for you the next time I see ANGEL. I have a real old release copy on 35mm, but in good condition though, which I really am proud of (these things are hard to get!), so I can't freeze-frame, but I'll definitely have a big clear picture of you! A little late, 60 years after, but CONGRATULATIONS of helping make that film!
Can you tell us more how the title sequence came about, shot in Monument Valley? Did they just put all the extras they hired in Sedona and drove them out to the Monument? How was the catering? Was Wayne present for the title sequence (he's seen mostly in long shots) or did the use a double?
Done only a year after Ford's MY DARLING CLEMENTINE, did you have a chance to see the complete set of the town Tombstone which Ford presented to the reservation (I think they erased that only a couple of years later - for firewood!)
Since this was Wayne's first shot at producing, I also wonder if the employees got good treatment - got wages, good food? Were the extras housed in tents? Any memories you could share about that?
Lots of question, I know - I'll certainly appreciate the answers!
Your many parts in this film goes to show how they used the extras in multiple scenes. I once was an extra in a Jane Birkin thriller, was there just for one day and they put me in three different roles! So if you see the finished sequence and if you watch the background, you'll see the same guy pass along in different costumes three times. Come to think of it, if you concentrate on the background you'll just see the same happening in many movies. But then, who cares about the background after all? :blink:
arthurarnell
post Mar 13 2004, 05:46 PM

Hi Chillibilly
As you know I am collating a list of everyone who played in a John Wayne movie if you e mail your details to me with a short pen picture I'll include it.

Regards
Arthur
William T Brooks
post Mar 13 2004, 08:08 PM

Itdo ; Remember this was over 55 years ago , but here I go! If you have a 35mm copy of this film hang on to it ,
it is worth money! If I remember right, that is what the film was shot on.
The main players were put up at the Sedona Lodge on Oak Creek in what is now down town Sedona.
It was a group of log buildings that are now gone. After the three of us got hired on we were told to drive to Monument Valley .
All three of us had been brought up on ranches so we were good on horse back.
he Duke was in the close up shots and Yakima Canutt did the long shots.
Yakima was also the second unit Director. I did not see the old set at M.V., but the crew was put up at were the old Goulding Lodge is now.
When we got back to Sedona they were already shooting the main part of the film. The extras were put up in a old log building like a barrack
building at the Sedona lodge, that also had a large Mess hall to eat at. On location they had a food truck for lunch.
All the extras were treated very well and we got paid $20.00 a day, big money for kids in those days.
The Main Players were very nice to us kids after all this is how they got started.
For the next two years in the Summer months I worked in many films at Sedona , Monument Valley and Durango.
Some of them were not very good films. Some of better ones were "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" with the Duke, "Broken Arrow" with Jimmy Stewart
and "Drum Beat" with Allan Ladd. Some of the scenes in "Drum Beat" mostly the Indian attacks were taken from "Broken Arrow"
that was done about two years before. They had the same Director Delmer Daves. This was a great time for a young kid.
Little did I know that some 35 years later it would set me up to Produce and to be the Director of a T.V.
Series of 7 one hour shows for Bill Hearst jr. and Hearst A.B.C. called "The Gunfighters".
But to save money on Stunt Men, every time you see someone get killed and take a fall that was "Gabby Hayes jr." or "Me" !! Chilibill :cowboy:
chester7777*
post Mar 16 2004, 07:06 AM

Chilibill,
Do you have copies of the movies you were an extra in? Are you able to be seen in She Wore A Yellow Ribbon?
Or any of the other movies, for that matter? Do you have videos of the TV show you did for the Hearsts? Are they available for sale anywhere?
I am just full of questions this evening :rolleyes: !

Chester :newyear: and the Mrs. :angel1:

Following on from the previous thread:-

William T Brooks
post Mar 16 2004, 11:18 AM

Chester and Mrs.; I sent you a goodies box to the Box number you E-mailed me last week that has 4 Chilibill's Kitchen T.V. shows,
a copy of one of "The Gunfighters" show , a Chilibills Cook Book and 3 CDs and some other things that you said that you might want to see.
The post office said that you should have it by last Monday. In "Yellow Ribbon" I am one of the horse soldiers.
The best shot is at the end when they are lined up to send him on his way and give him a pocket watch.
I think that I am the third or forth soldier in the line of horse soldiers. Ford would always put the younger kids close to the camera
and the the older and fat guys in the back of the line. This was a much larger cast of players than "The Angel and The Badman".
This was the way Ford did his films. I think I was about 18 years old at this time. You ask about any of the other films that I worked in at this time ,
in "Broken Arrow" with Jimmy Stewart I got killed 7 times, so every time you see some one with a Arrow in him or falling off a rock dead thats Me.
If you you did a good fall you got $200 dollars for it,
so being a dumb kid I was first in line for that job! If I remember right the Pro. Stuntmen got $500 for a good fall so this saved them a little money.
If you do not get the box of goodies in the next day or two let me know and I will send you another.
I have not sold any of the books or tapes in over 15 years but I still have a few copys left and can cut more off of the masters. My Webpage Chilibill :cowboy:
chester7777
post Mar 16 2004, 02:35 PM

Chilibill,
Well, I must confess that I haven't been to the ol' PO box in about a week
(sometimes there's just not enough time - it's somewhat near my work but not near my home), so I'll be running right down there after work today. I guess I know what we will be watching tonight :D.
Thanks! I'll give you a call to let you know it's arrived.

Chester :newyear:
chester7777
post Mar 18 2004, 05:07 AM

There was a package indeed waiting at the Post Office! Thanks!
"The Gunfighters" was an interesting history of Ben Thompson. I'm assuming the other shows in the series tell about other gunfighters of the Old West.
The Chili Cook Book certainly has my wife's interest, as she is an avid (and good!)cook and also collects cook books.
We appreciate all the neat stuff, it will take us a few days to get through it all.
We'll be looking for you in She Wore A Yellow Ribbon.

Chester :newyear:

William T Brooks
post Mar 18 2004, 10:38 AM

Chester; The other Gunfighters are more well known, but Ben Thompson was the number One,
killing over 40 men! But the all time Gunfighter or Killer was "PORTER ROCKWELL" he was a L.D.S.
or Mormon enforcer that killed over 100 men. He Invented the first bullet proof vest. A plate of steel under his coat. So he Cheated.
He lived from 1813 to 1878 and died at 65. It took two years to do the series and a lot of research in the history books on these gunfighters of the old West.
They were nothing like our Hero the DUKE in "The Shootist"! Today we would call them Mass Killers! Chilibill :cowboy :
William T Brooks
post Mar 19 2004, 07:11 PM

Those of you that liked "The Angel and the Badman" film that was shot in Sedona in about 1947,
I found some old pictures that were shot at the old movie set at Coffee Pot Rock and Bell Rock and was given to everyone that worked on the film by
"The Duke" to keep, as this was his first film as a Producer.
In the last picture, in the group of people looking at Laredo and his right hand man on the ground after "Marshal Wisful McClintock" shoots them,
If you look close you can see a skinny kid Third from the left that Me, I was about 16 or 17 years old! Go to My Webpage Chilibill :cowboy:
chester7777
post Mar 20 2004, 05:13 AM


QUOTE(William T Brooks @ Mar 19 2004, 11:11 AM)
If you look close you can see a skinny kid Third from the left that's Me

Bill,

Are you the kind of short guy in light colored clothing and white hat, or are you in darker clothing?

When the telegraph guy comes into the bar before JW meets Laredo Stevens for the last time outside,
do you remember where you are? Actually sitting at the bar? Or at one of the tables on the left side (that's left as we're looking at the scene :rolleyes: )?

Chester :newyear:
William T Brooks
post Mar 21 2004, 11:10 AM

Chester; The one in the dark clothing. The telegraph man is on the right and just to the left of the man in the lite colored coat with his back to the Duke.
The one closest to the front door of the bar and the heads for the back door after Laredo's man spots a tall man in a black hat at the end of the street.
One of the two men that runs across the road infront of the Duke as every one trys to get out of town and he walks down the road to meet Laredo.
In a low cost film with a small cast of players you play many parts. My Webpage Chilibill :cowboy:

Below are links to some more discussion:-

Angel And The Badman, Even better than expected (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=969)

Angel and the Badman (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1430)

Hi,
REPUBLIC were in fear of losing their top box office draw,
and were slowly giving Duke more freedom, to produce his own movies.
Duke chose this one a modest western, for his first John Wayne production.
Duke selected his favourite screenwriter James Edward Grant, to write and direct, the picture..
He also borrowed dark-haired Gail Russell from PARAMOUNT , to play his
leading lady.
Duke acquitted himself well, and the chemistry between him and Gail,
was obvious, on and off screen, although he denied anything was going on!
Harry Carey, and Bruce Cabot, were both strong in their roles.
The film proved a leisurely western, without much action, concerning itself more with romance, and pacifism, than bad men and gunplay.
Whilst critics liked it, Duke's fans, found the movie too slow.
The film. although shot in MV in black and white,
wasn't as good as a John Ford film.
Unfortunately, it had a lot of similarities,
to his Monogram Films, which is hardly suprising, as
Duke used the same cinematographer, Archie Stout!
Although the reviews were mixed, and it was not a great box office success,
Duke was satisfied with the results.
Rating 6/10

Keith

OK, I guess I will have to put my 2-Bits in on this Film. I can go out the front door and see the Red Rocks at Sedona where the Film was Shot back in 1947. :rolleyes:

I put this up on Duke Stories a year or so ago , but some of you might want to read it again. It tells about the Making of "The Angel and The Badman. You can go to the Site below and just keep Clicking NEXT. :P

THE ANGEL AND THE BADMAN (http://www.wyntoontrip.com/DUKEBADMAN1.html)

Chilibill :cowboy:

Hi all,
It is my all time favorite, I understand that there is more great of course if counting Duke performance or directors work or many other things. But this one is my most belovered because it proofed to me again some things in which I belive. It is hard to explain, so the only I can add I simply love this movie.
Regards,
Senta :rolleyes:

One of my all time favourites too, a charming little movie. I love to watch Duke and Gail Russell together, and it's also nice to see Harry Carey in the same film

Because many of you said that this Film was one of your favorite John Wayne Films I put together a little picture story of "The Angel and the Badman," and there might some Still Shots that you have not seen before of Duke and Gail Russell taken from the Film. :rolleyes:

Most of the Ladys out there Seem to like this Film as it is a Great love Story of a Badman "Duke" and a Angel of a Woman "Gail Russell" making the Badman Go Straight and of Course Duke Gets The Girl in the end !!! :)

PICTURE STORY OF ANGEL AND THE BADMAN (http://www.wyntoontrip.com/BADMAN4.html)

Chilibill :cowboy:

I know there are numerous versions of this movie out on DVD so which DVD is the best in terms of print and sound?


Mike

Mike,

I know I own several copies myself, but haven't watched it in so long I really don't remember too much about the quality. It seems like one of those titles that is extremely available, almost like a public domain title. Someone else may have a better idea, and a better answer to your question.

Chester :newyear:

Hi Chester

I have a copy myself that obviously originates from public domain but wouldnt mind upgrading to an official release for print and sound improvement

Mike

Hi Chester

Got another copy of Angel & the Badman. Film is awful but extra of John Wayne on Film isnt too bad. I wish Tony Curtis would throw away that wig!!

All for the price of £3.99 from play.com


Mike

One remembers Angel & Badman is Republic production when they once again fall off that cliff into the river, only without horses this time. I believe it's the same cliff in countless films, they really loved that trick! - And I love the movie, no matter how many times I see it.

Anybody have a copy of this movie in color?

Sadly I don't even though I distinctly remember that I originally saw it in color.

Has this film been colorised?


Mike

The one thing that made me do a double take was when Hank Worden showed up, that was cause I didn't think he had made a movie with Duke till a decade later.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0039152/alternateversions

That link indicates that there is a colorized version.

Has this film been colorised?


Mike
The Hallmark Movie Channel has been showing advertisements for this movie and all of the scenes are in color. It is coming on tonight so I'll know then.

The Hallmark Movie Channel has been showing advertisements for this movie and all of the scenes are in color. It is coming on tonight so I'll know then.
The (supposedly) color version of Angel and the Badman is coming on in five minutes, so if you have the Hallmark Movie Channel you might wanna tune in.

About 250 channels and that's one channel I don't have.

That's what I call bad luck, I used to watch Hallmark for Alf and MASH.

That's a different channel... he said Hallmark Movie Channel which is different from just the Hallmark Channel. I've heard of the Hallmark Movie Channel and I may get it by the end of the year. We just found out that Comcast is buying our cable company, Insight Communications. They are suppose to be much bigger but some people I know that have their Broadband says that Comcast throttles customers Internet speeds if it is used too much. I'm glad I never switched over to cable Internet... I don't like being throttled. I want to get what I pay for.

The Hallmark Movie Channel is on Dish Network. I think it is one of our newer channels cause right now, they're basically showing the same movies over and over. The Angel and the Badman is scheduled to be shown several times this week. We have the Hallmark Channel, and the Hallmark Movie Channel. Two separate channels.

There are many different versions of Angel & The Badman out on DVD, and I was wondering if anyone knew what version or studio is the best out there.

This movie is obviously on public domain and no one has control of the distribution of this movie. So, I come here for your advice on an appropriate copy of this movie. It is from Republic Pictures, but many studios have used this movie in multidisc collections. I'd like to have it as an individual, but that may not be possible.

What is your suggestion?

Cheers Hondo :cool:

I really didn't care much for the color version, although I only saw it on TV and not a DVD.

There are many different versions of Angel & The Badman out on DVD, and I was wondering if anyone knew what version or studio is the best out there. What is your suggestion?
Cheers Hondo :cool:

I think I would look for the one with the most extra features.

Chester :newyear:

They are all pretty much the same in terms of quality. I have the version with Tony Curtis introducing the movie and a short documentray on John Wayne on Film.

My DVD says it was Digitally Mastered. It didnt spot the difference. Maybe it was Tony's wig:wink_smile:


There are 18 versions on play.com

http://www.play.com/Search.aspx?searchtype=r2title&searchstring=angel+%26+the+badman&page=search&pa=search&go.x=30&go.y=7


Mike

I really didn't care much for the color version, although I only saw it on TV and not a DVD.

Let me add that I am not at all interested in a color version of this movie. I am the type who likes what the original production.

Cheers :cool: Hondo

Let me add that I am not at all interested in a color version of this movie. I am the type who likes what the original production.

I've never been able to warm up to colorized b&w movies. They always look washed out to me. I think that any movie done after 1940 would have been done in color if the producers and directors wanted it that way. Some movies just do not lend themselves to colorization - ie. "Casablanca," JW's "Stagecoach," etc.
Cheers - Jay

I've never been able to warm up to colorized b&w movies. They always look washed out to me. I think that any movie done after 1940 would have been done in color if the producers and directors wanted it that way. Some movies just do not lend themselves to colorization - ie. "Casablanca," JW's "Stagecoach," etc.
Cheers - Jay

Ditto gents. If it was filmed in b&w, it needs to stay that way.

Are there anyone out there that like any distributor who made that movie? Chester suggested that the one with the most extras in it. I don't really know of anybody who makes extras in Angel & The Badman. My collection is in need of this and I'd like to hear anybody who might recommend any.

Cheers :cool: Hondo

This film was probably one of the first ones I owned, as it was in the "cheap" bin at the local KMart. But thank goodness for those cheap bins, as that's how I came to appreciate John Wayne, and get more interested in his films. Now it doesn't have to be cheap for me to buy it :wink_smile:!

Anyway, back to sharing movie posters, which is what got me to this thread this morning - the only pic I have is of a 1959 re-issue poster -

1937

I must agree with You All I still like the Old Black and White film " Angel and the Badman" just the way it is now.
:shades_smile:
The Duke did the Film on a Shoe - String Budget of Way Under $100,000 in Sedona, Arizona in about 1947. How do I know? I was there, and even if I was only 16 years old I can remember how Duke and Yakima Canutt had to Cut Corners on the Film. It would have been Great if They could have done it in Color because of Great Color Landscape in Sedona.
:wink_smile:
The First Big Color Western Film that they did in Sedona was a few years later was "Broken Arrow" with Jimmy Stewart, but they ended up Spending $1,000,000.
They ended up doing over 100 Films in Sedona, Arizona in the Next Few Years.
:teeth_smile:

Here are some Pictures of Sedona as it is Today.

http://www.ranch26bar.com/SEDONA.html

Chilibill
:cowboy:

And still speaking about this film on a different note. I like it also because he plays a character with the same last name I have :teeth_smile: All that aside, its a gem of a movie.

Especially good is that 17 year old kid shown flying out of town on his horse at the end of the movie, right before the big shootout!

Is there anyone here that can help me with an appropriate studio release of this movie? I know there are many studios who have this out, but I am looking for the best release in black and white. Not really interested in the extras at all. When it comes down to it, the movie is the only thing I am interested in and want to know anyone opinion on the best one out. I don't need to know where I get it either. Most of my sources are reliable.

Thanks and Cheers :cool: Hondo

Hi Hondo

I would love an official release of this as all the releases currently out there are pretty awful.

Why nothing has been forthcoming is beyond me


Mike

Hi Mike and Hondo,
I think that release in UK John Wayne collection is the best at the moment. I have others to compare.
Regards,
Senta

Hi Senta

Which version is it? Play.com have 18 to choose from!

http://www.play.com/Search.aspx?searchtype=r2title&searchstring=angel+%26+the+badman&page=search&pa=search&go.x=30&go.y=7

Mike

It is inside the Universal collection of 34 movies. It is devided on parts, which can be bought seperetly. Angel and the badman is in the part John Wayne Out West, which includes Dark Command with documentary Young Duke, Tall in the Saddle, A and the B, The Fighting Kentuckian, War Wagon and Rooster Cogburn. The last 2 films even had subtitels in Russian. Can you imagine? they were released in UK! I think Universal was prepering this two movies to put on Russian Market of DVDs. They already appered here with some good releases of Duke and james Stewart movies.
Regards,
Senta:hyper:

Some time back I put up this Film Clip Story on "Angel and the Badman" that were taken from a Old 16 m.m. Film that I had gotten from Republic Studio back in the late 1950s and was a Good Copy. This was the only way we had to Watch Films at Home before V.H.S. and D.V.D. that we now have.
:beer:

I did get a Good copy of the Film from "Good Times" a few years back and is Pretty Much like the Old 16 m.m. Film that I got back in the 1950s.
:teeth_smile:

Below is the Picture Story of "Angel and the Badman."

http://www.wyntoontrip.com/BADMAN4.html

Chilibill
:cowboy:

Hi Senta


I would reckon this is the Universal title on it's own

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/2241815/Angel-And-The-Badman/Product.html

When I am placing an order with play.com again I may order. mind you I am attached to Tony Curtis and his wig segment.

I think the problem is that a lot of the versions out there are public domain and originate from 16mm or video. Also, a lot are Region 0:cry2: LOL

Its a bit like the Mc Lintock DVD. There were loads of versions but the only one worth watching was the official edition which I got on Region 1 but is now available on Region 2

Mike

Hi Senta


I
Its a bit like the Mc Lintock DVD. There were loads of versions but the only one worth watching was the official edition which I got on Region 1 but is now available on Region 2

Mike

Indeed? In Region 2 now? Thanks. I shall look for it. My MacLintock version is pretty bad.
Regards,
Senta

Hi Senta

Yes a number of the Special Editions like Island in the Sky, High & Mighty Hondo Mc Lintock are now available

HMV are selling for Mc Lintock for £6.99 others at £5.49.

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/simpleSearch.do?searchUID=&pGroupID=5&simpleSearchString=john+wayne&primaryID=5&btnSubmitSearch.x=15&btnSubmitSearch.y=10

Play.com are selling for £7.99 but were selling the rest for £5.00.


Mike

Bill,

Those are great pictures of the movie. I'm glad you have the 35mm. You don't happen to have the negative of this film? That would make the biggest difference. Do you know who owns this movie. I saw that it was a John Wayne Production, so does the estate have this?

Also, do you know why so many distributors have this movie on their label? I'd like to see somebody tackle this problem and get the approved version of this movie.

Cheers :cool:

Hi
I have a book "THE UNSUNG HEROES by Niel Summers".
in this book,page 119, There's an interesting description.

John Wayne rides hard on Banner,one of his favorite horses,for this stampede scene in Angel and the Badman co-starring Gail Russell.
This shot was taken in Sedona,Arizona which Wayne stated in a Life Magazine article
was his favorite location.

regards
H.sanada

There is a Quaker church in vancouver that has a welcome visitors sign and i have thought about attending one meeting. I don't intend to join but wanted to see if the people seemed true to the reputation. I liked the script and the story line.

Very good movie and a shame that I didn't watched it before. Gail Russel as Penelope Worth and John Wayne as Quirt Evans are just a wonderful couple on screen. When you know the background story a bit it's obviously that Gail doesn't just act her love to the Outlaw Evans.John Wayne shows an excellent performance. For me the storyline with the Quaker was really interesting.
A good scripted Movie with a good mixture of romance, humor and action scenes. :thumbs_up:

one of the most enjoyable romantic films i have seen - the chemistry between gail russel and john wayne is just brilliant

one of the most enjoyable romantic films i have seen - the chemistry between gail russel and john wayne is just brilliant

Sarah,

Here is our dedicated thread:

Pals Of The Saddle- Gail Russell (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1997)

Did you guys know anything about this?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1335977/

Long story short, Lou Diamond Phillips is playing Quirt Evans.... and Brendan Wayne plays a role in the movie as well.

How did you even find out about it, Lt.?

Did you notice the spellings of the names - QUART Evens??? The girl is named Temperance??? I see they retain some of the other character names - Hondo and Laredo - but there doesn't seem to be any sight of the girl's parents in the cast list.

Chester :newyear:

I was checking the status of Patrick Wayne's newest movie "The Legend of Hell's Gate", and looking over the cast list I found another Wayne besides Patrick. of course I went to see if he was related to Duke and it turns out Brendan is Duke's Grandson so I checked out his resume and found out about the remake of "Angel and the Badman".

REMAKE OF "THE ANGEL AND THE BADMAN" ?
Now that Makes me SICK !!!
:vomit:
Chilibill
:cowboy:

Speaking of remakes, have any of you heard about the soon to be released remake of Angel And The Badman? It's in post production now and slated for release sometime this year. It will star Lou Diamond Phillips in the Duke role of Quirt Evans, Luke Perry in the Bruce Cabot role of Laredo and Deborah Unger in the Gail Russell role of Penelope, only her character will be named Temperance. Harry Careys role of the sheriff is not in this one but, Dukes grandson, Brendan will have a role in it.

IMDb indicates that the film is now completed (last updated 5/16/09).

It is kind of interesting that Brendan Wayne appears in it. IMDb lists Lou Diamond Phillip's character as Quart Evens! I don't know if they misspelled it, or did that on purpose (I can only hope that was a mistake!).

I wonder if young Mr. Wayne ever saw his grandfather's movie (I'm guessing he has, and is aware).

Can anybody tell if this is slated to be in theaters, or on TV?

Mrs. C :angel1:

Pretty neat article from the Philadelphia Inquirer, Another Wayne defers to Duke (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20090701_Another_Wayne.html), about Brendan Wayne. Among other things, the article gives a little peek into the life of John Wayne as a grandfather, something we rarely hear about.

The movie [remake of Angel and the Badman, with Brendan in the cast] is scheduled to premiere on the Hallmark Channel on Sunday, July 5. Sheer curiosity, along with the fact that Duke's grandson is in the movie, would possibly move me to watch it. This is one time I wish we had cable TV.

Chester :newyear:

Now you have Gone And Done It, I will have to Watch It On Sunday, But Only Because Of Brendan Wayne, and will try to get it on Tape !
:wink_smile:
Chilibill
:cowboy:

iaMmyY5YVNE

Well, we don't have cable, and it turns out our good friends, who DO have cable, don't have the Hallmark channel . . . :cry2:.

So we will be watching the original tonight, but we sure are looking forward to hearing what folks have to say about the Hallmark remake.

Chester :newyear: and the Mrs. :angel1:

The New
=======
"Angel And The Badman"
It was OK to watch, But it was No John Wayne Film !
:no:
They follow the Story Line Pretty Much, but it takes place in a Small Town in the High Mountain Country And the The Quaker family are Store Keepers in Town Not Farmers in the Wide Open Country !!
:glare:
In this Film most of it takes place in the Small Town with Very Few Shot Outside of Town like the Original John Wayne Film done in Sedona, Arizona.
:yeaahh:
I don't think I care to watch it Again, but I did Copy it just to Keep !!!

Chilibill
:cowboy:

iaMmyY5YVNE

Just wanting to know . . . did ANYone watch the remake last night? If so, please let us know how it was!

Chester :newyear:

I did, and I did not Care that Much for it !
:yeaahh:
I put a Post up over on "The Last Western That I Watch" and told what "The New Angel and the Badman" was like !!
:glare:
Maybe You Might want to move my Post Over Here ?
:ohmy:
Bill
:cowboy:

Maybe You Might want to move my Post Over Here?
Actually, I copied it over to here, since it was also appropriate to post it in the "Last Western You Watched" thread! Because you posted it earlier this morning, it appears above, in time order :wink_smile:.

Thanks, Bill, for letting us know a little more about it. The previews looked kind of "flashy" like there were some special effects. What was the building on fire that was in the preview? Obviously, that wasn't in the original.

Chester :newyear:

It wasn't too bad. But no match to the original. Not even close. Luke Perry did a good job and Lou Diamond Phillips wasn't too bad, either. But the girl who played Temperance was awful in my opinion. She played the part very weakly. Like Bill, I got it taped, but don't know when I'll give it another watch. I give it a 6 out of 10.

Mark

the girl who played Temperance was awful in my opinion

That would be Deborah Kara Unger, who lacks any type of real presence in my opinion. She usually just takes up space from what I have seen.

How was Brendan Wayne?

Brendon Wayne was ok. He didn't stand out, yet didn't stink either. I guess he didn't embarrass his Grandpop. :wink_smile:

I just watched the original again after not having seen it for years. It really is a lovely film. I know its about as close to a chick flick as John Wayne made but it was fun. I know all the rubbish talked about John Wayne not being able to act but they don't talk much about his comic timing which many a so called good actor can't do and the Duke is great in this one. His reactions to the "other" suitor when he is churning the icecream are very funny, as he is with then baby. Gail Russell was just beautiful and Penelope really was a heroine who had some gumption. Just because she was good does not mean she was a little wimp. She sure had Quirt under control.

They also had some nice moments. Quirt was wearing a black hat when he seduces Penny. He is back to wearing a white hat when he is feeling guilty about it and proposes. The black hat returns when he goes off to kill Laredo.

Noticed also with the horses John Wayne is riding Banner throughout the film. In the scene where Quirt holds the basket full of donuts while the neighbour mounts, Banner is having a fine old feast of donuts. His head is stuck in the basket then you can see him eating. John Wayne does not stop him so I guess it must be intentional, part of the jokes about food


And Harry Carey was great. Great chemistry with him and John Wayne on screen. Its a pity they did not do more.

There were some good references to other films that John Wayne made. They had characters. Hondo and McClintock. I assume the other film was called McClintock as a tribute to Harry Carey. They also mentioned Casa Verde where Cherry Valance in Red River came from. The stolen herd of cattle came from there.


dee

It was Sure No Duke Film !
:dead:
Bill
:cowboy:

You cannot replace an original. I am sure the Coen brothers will find the same thing with TRUE GRIT re-make.
Andy:teeth_smile:

No, You will not Replace John Wayne, Gail Russell and Harry Carey !
:wink_smile:
Chilibill
:cowboy:

One reason I like John Wayne so much is that he was terrific with the ladies. Maureen O'Hara most of all, but his other leading ladies too.

Like...Gail Russell in Angel and the Badman.
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/pvitari/Angel113.jpg

The Duke really knew how to kiss a girl. *sigh*
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/pvitari/Angel111.jpg

And this one just because I like it. :) A classic John Wayne pose.
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/pvitari/Angel114.jpg

OK, one more with Gail. :)
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/pvitari/Angel121.jpg

One reason I like John Wayne so much is that he was terrific with the ladies. Maureen O'Hara most of all, but his other leading ladies too.

Like...Gail Russell in Angel and the Badman.


Paula thanks for your lovely photographs.
I have also posted them to the dedicated thread
Pals Of The Saddle- Gail Russell (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=1997)

i agree with you paula. john wayne epitomises everything that a real man should be :)
and i love those photos

I had thought there was a thread for the upcoming remake of Angel and the Badman, but I can't seem to find it. At any rate, I can across a web article saying that it a Hallmark Channel production, starring Lou Diamond Phillips in the Quirt Evans role, and it is supposed to air March 4th. As I don't have cable, satellite or even a TV antennae, I won't be watching it. But if anyone is interested, here is the link:
http://www.hallmarkchannelpress.com/pagelist/PressReleaseDetails.aspx?ID=166&PageID=116

I had thought there was a thread for the upcoming remake of Angel and the Badman, but I can't seem to find it. At any rate, I can across a web article saying that it a Hallmark Channel production, starring Lou Diamond Phillips in the Quirt Evans role, and it is supposed to air March 4th. As I don't have cable, satellite or even a TV antennae, I won't be watching it. But if anyone is interested, here is the link:
http://www.hallmarkchannelpress.com/pagelist/PressReleaseDetails.aspx?ID=166&PageID=116

July 3rd, 2009
Pretty neat article from the Philadelphia Inquirer, Another Wayne defers to Duke (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20090701_Another_Wayne.html), about Brendan Wayne. Among other things, the article gives a little peek into the life of John Wayne as a grandfather, something we rarely hear about.

The movie [remake of Angel and the Badman, with Brendan in the cast] is scheduled to premiere on the Hallmark Channel on Sunday, July 5. Sheer curiosity, along with the fact that Duke's grandson is in the movie, would possibly move me to watch it. This is one time I wish we had cable TV.

Chester :newyear:

Bob,
Thanks for your post, so I carried out a search,
and it was discussed in this the original movie thread,
For the sake of continuity I have therefore moved your post.

[QUOTE=Colorado Bob;98776]I had thought there was a thread for the upcoming remake of Angel and the Badman, but I can't seem to find it. At any rate, I can across a web article saying that it a Hallmark Channel production, starring Lou Diamond Phillips in the Quirt Evans role, and it is supposed to air March 4th.



I saw this remake quite some time ago, at least 6 months. As expected, it's a VERY poor job, but they DID try. Phillips was Ok, but the Low budget, bad acting, etc killed it. I watched until the bar fight-I was surprised they could afford a bar set-and had to finally turn it off.

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This scene must have wound up on the cutting room floor. I don't remember seeing it in the film. Am I wrong?

Mark

I found a DVD of Angel and the Badman with a better picture than my first DVD, so I redid the screencaps. That is... I did all the action sequences (my fave movie cowboy Ben Johnson doubled for John Wayne in the riding scenes) plus this time I did dozens of pics of John Wayne and Gail Russell and the other actors and anything else I found visually interesting. The total is 379 pictures. Go here to find the album with all the pics: http://benjohnsonscreencaps.shutterfly.com/stunts.

Here are a few of the screencaps.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8614/angel63.jpg

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7305/angel128.jpg

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5571/angel131.jpg

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http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2777/angel163.jpg

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http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6743/angel224.jpg

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http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1190/angel333.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/230/angel368.jpg

http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/11/97/59/03/a_duk530.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=8952&u=11975903)

http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/11/97/59/03/th/a_duk531.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=8953&u=11975903)