To introduce a subject that is almost guaranteed to start an argument..............:stunned:

Those of you who've read my posts in the past will know that my ideology is somewhat to the right of our hero's. IOW, I'm a take-no-prisoners conservative.

That said, let me just add that if I'm forced to view one more picture of the bug-eyed creature who now heads the U.S. House, I think I'll puke. :evilgrin:

Stumpy,

It is a sad day in Deadwood :cry2: .

Look at this way - if you hang out here, you don't EVER have to look at her!

Chester :newyear:

Stumpy; You hit the Nail right on the Head ! :headbonk: I have not been this Sick sense I went Deep Sea Fishing out of Morro Bay, California back in the 1970s, over in Chester part of the country, so Move Over !!! :ohwell:

Bill:cowboy:

As you can tell you are not alone. What makes it worse for me is not her looks, that's just on the outside. Its that everytime I see her I have no sense of leadership or that she has a clue what is going on. If this is the best the Democrats have, we should be good to go in 08 and beyond!!! :pizza:

She always looks to me like someone just gave her a helluva wedgie. :uhoh:

Hello

I was mystified for awhile about who you were talking about but I reckon it is the strange female who has taken over recently as leader of Congress

As a totally impartial observer :yeaahh: what is a wedgie?

I got this definition on yahoo so is it a "melvin" or "atomic" and any clues who delivered it.

A wedgie could also mean when a person's undergarments get folded up and 'ride up' between the buttocks, causing discomfort and annoyance. Can be caused by bad posture, awkward sitting or tight underpants such as thongs. Special varieties of the wedgie include the melvin (a frontal wedgie), the hanging wedgie, in which the victim is suspended from a hook or ledge by their waistband, and the atomic wedgie performed by pulling the underpants over the head of the victim from the back.


From your esteemed correspondant from the 51st State.

Well said and I fully agree with all you Gentlemen. Im not a fan of that lady either. I can't stand that smirk she has on her face after she and someone else, had sent a letter to Bush saying they are against a surge in our soldiers going to Iraq. Im so sick of these people throwing monkey wrenches into the Bush machinery at every turn. They are not giving him the chance, just like they never gave former Vice-Presidnt Dan Quayle, a chance. Part of it was due to his last name--something that little children do.

As a totally impartial observer :yeaahh: what is a wedgie?

Well, Pilgrim, it's my understanding that a wedgie is what people my age used to call being goosed. Of course, don't bet the farm on that because I must admit that my knowledge of contemporary slang, language, customs, etc is not really up to date. I more-or-less divorced myself from American society back in the Sixties.

Howdy All,
How does one describe a wedgie other than uncomfortable? Maybe a better description would be a Pelosi. In fact, I would like to ask for a vote among a members of this prestigious forum, that we, from this point on, refer to a wedgie as a "Pelosi." All in favor say "aye", all opposed, stand to the left.
Colorado Bob

So its a finger up the backside (prefererable with abestos gloves on )as opposed to her getting her knickers in a twist

See you learn something every day

Wedgie's can be given, received or just plain happen by themselves, and as far as my description goes, its always a pair of underwear or other piece of clothing. Basically it is when your butt crack looks like it is eating your underwear.

Bob, "Aye" :laugh:

Hi SxViper

Umfortunately, there are plenty of sad sights :cry2: like that in the world.

A bit like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. One minute you are fine then its just happens:stunned:

Howdy All,
How does one describe a wedgie other than uncomfortable? Maybe a better description would be a Pelosi. In fact, I would like to ask for a vote among a members of this prestigious forum, that we, from this point on, refer to a wedgie as a "Pelosi." All in favor say "aye", all opposed, stand to the left.
Colorado Bob

Aye!

I realize we kinda got off on a tangent here but in her pictures, she almost always looks like somebody either goosed her or gave her a wedgie. :ohmy: Whichever it is, the next two years are gonna seem like a lifetime.

2 Years blink and you will miss it try 10 years of Blair & still counting.

Would you be prepared to do a swop.

I will contribute personally $10.00 if you take him & his wife for life.

They are in Robin Gibb's mansion in Florida just kidnap him now.

You will get a honorary knighthood from the Queen for your services.

As a buy one get one free offer you can have the entire Northern Ireland Assembly. They have done nothing and plan to do nothing for a lifetime or two and are waiting for the phone call from Brian Henson to tell them The Muppets Show is reforming!!!

2 Years blink and you will miss it try 10 years of Blair & still counting.

Would you be prepared to do a swop.

Well, you know, it's funny, DP, but since Tony is a Labourite (and thus on the left), and I'm a right-winger in the mold of Attila the Hun, you'd probably assume that I wouldn't think much of Great Britain's PM. But he has been such a steadfast ally during the past 3 or 4 years that you'd be wrong. I'd swap Tony in a New York minute for Pelosi.

Loyalty is a trait that I very much admire and Mr. Blair has been nothing if not loyal.

I realize he's made a lot of people mad in the U.K. but believe you me, my friend, when I tell you Bush has done the same on this side of the pond. I voted for young Bush twice for governor and once for president and right now, I wouldn't vote for him if my life depended on it. In fact, I have come to regard him as even more of a disaster than his old man, who I thought was one of the worst (Republican) presidents the U.S. has ever had.

He's on his way. Big brown parcel with lots of string. Sorry there is no return address LOL.

Well Stumpy, who do you reckon the contenders are going for 2008 race.

Personally ,John Mc Cain seems the most credible from what I have heard and seen of him. I keep having this recurring nightmare of the Hilary thing no please tell me it is a nightmare Ahh. Mind you it might galvanise Republican voters to come out and vote.

In terms of Presidents you never really know who is good or bad until about 20 years after they have left office.


Funny, I was reading a book about Presidents at Christmas time and if it had not been for intervention of Ross Perot it is possible that Bush Sr would have won his second term and Dole could have won through in 1996.

Howdy All,
How does one describe a wedgie other than uncomfortable? Maybe a better description would be a Pelosi. In fact, I would like to ask for a vote among a members of this prestigious forum, that we, from this point on, refer to a wedgie as a "Pelosi." All in favor say "aye", all opposed, stand to the left.
Colorado Bob
AYE:glare: ! All this talk a few weeks ago of bipartisanship and she dumps it all in one fell swoop:headbonk: !!? Pelosi and Clinton - two of the most prominent devil-witches around:devil_smile: .
Cheers - Jay:beer:

Hiy Stumpy

First of all can I say how dare you start a discussion on politics on this board. :wink:

No seriously I honestly don't mind little political debates. As for Tony Blair I understand why many Americans will like him as he has been a steadfast supporter of president Bush and helped maintain and improve the special relationship between America and the UK, this is something which I am in favour of.

However here in the UK mainly in England there is a weird phenomenon called 'open prisons'. Yesterday on the news the head of these prisons told the British public that many people have escaped from these prisons but he can't put a figure on it because there is no way of ever knowing how many were in them in the first place. I find this unacceptable that there are prisons in which the inmates can leave more or less of their own accord and to make things worse these inmates are guility of some pretty horrendous crimes despite the spin the government may put on it. I blame the Blair government for this situation in the UK as they have been soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime yet tough on workers and or motorists by a never ending stream of tax increases.

The real grievance I have with British politics is the so called leader of the opposition who offers nothing new and is virtually a cutout of Tony Blair. Its likely that he will become primeminister in the future, yet he has no policies and doesn't differentiate from Blair on much at all. He wants to be all things to all people and will make for a pretty awful primeminister in my humble opinion.

Well thats my political vent over for today, I'm sure I will get lots of criticism by fellow posters but hopefully nobody reading my post will be too offended.

:agent:

Hi Robbie

You forgot to mention his beloved successor Gordon Brown the Kama Sutra of taxation he knows all the positions and angles and he always ensures you end up screwed!!!

Anyway I'll enjoy working to 95. Give me somewhere warm and dry to go every day.

No Taxation without Representation.

Damn it all the good slogans are alway used!!

Hiy Stumpy

First of all can I say how dare you start a discussion on politics on this board. :wink:

No seriously I honestly don't mind little political debates. As for Tony Blair I understand why many Americans will like him as he has been a steadfast supporter of president Bush and helped maintain and improve the special relationship between America and the UK, this is something which I am in favour of.

However here in the UK mainly in England there is a weird phenomenon called 'open prisons'. Yesterday on the news the head of these prisons told the British public that many people have escaped from these prisons but he can't put a figure on it because there is no way of ever knowing how many were in them in the first place. I find this unacceptable that there are prisons in which the inmates can leave more or less of their own accord and to make things worse these inmates are guility of some pretty horrendous crimes despite the spin the government may put on it. I blame the Blair government for this situation in the UK as they have been soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime yet tough on workers and or motorists by a never ending stream of tax increases.

The real grievance I have with British politics is the so called leader of the opposition who offers nothing new and is virtually a cutout of Tony Blair. Its likely that he will become primeminister in the future, yet he has no policies and doesn't differentiate from Blair on much at all. He wants to be all things to all people and will make for a pretty awful primeminister in my humble opinion.

Well thats my political vent over for today, I'm sure I will get lots of criticism by fellow posters but hopefully nobody reading my post will be too offended.

:agent:

My ancestry is Scotch-Irish so I've always been a pretty staunch Anglophile. But they sure don't make Prime Ministers like they used to. Where's Winnie when we need him most?

I try to keep up with events occurring in the British Isles and I read stuff almost every day that shocks and saddens me. It's sure not the British Empire I once knew that set the standard for the rest of the world.

Well Stumpy, who do you reckon the contenders are going for 2008 race.

Currently, there's nota single candidate being mentioned that I would vote for, especially John McCain. And I'd cut off my right arm before I'd vote for any Democrat.

The only politician for whom I'd vote for president has not been mentioned as a candidate and probably wouldn't get the nomination even if he decided to run because he has principles and fights for them. Not only that but he has made a lot of other politicians mad by trying to stop all the wasteful spending that goes on in Washington. His name is Tom Coburn and he's a senator from Oklahoma.

Fiscal responsibility is my "hot-button" issue - in fact, it trumps all others. And over the past six or seven years, I've been unable to tell Republicans from Democrats when it comes to spending foolishly. Furthermore, Bush has not vetoed a single spending bill since he's been in office, which ticks me off no end.

Hi Stumpy

I know what you mean the amount of money wasted on "crap" is unbelievable.
No one takes responsibility and it will all end in tears.

On a purely economic basis it is only a matter of time before the amount of debt they are amassing is going to come crashing down on us all.

I havent heard of Tom Coburn I will keep a look out for news on him.

Mike

Howdy All,
How does one describe a wedgie other than uncomfortable? Maybe a better description would be a Pelosi. In fact, I would like to ask for a vote among a members of this prestigious forum, that we, from this point on, refer to a wedgie as a "Pelosi." All in favor say "aye", all opposed, stand to the left.
Colorado Bob

Hi Colorado Bob, I think that is cool, you have my vote on it. ################################################# ###################### #####.

Jay, you hit the nail on the head with your last posting :-)) I fully agree that both pelosi and she-clinton are evil beings.

Stumpy

Overall I have lost faith in politicians on this side of the pond, one good thing they have done is to introduce the smoking ban which comes into effect from April onwards. This makes it illegal for people to smoke inside public buildings such as bars and retaurants as well as at places of work. I don't smoke and it will be nice to go into pubs etc which have very poor ventilation in general and not come out gasping for air or smelling of smoke. Even many smokers I have talked to think its a good idea as its an extra incentive for them to give up.

:agent:

Hi Robbie

Looking forward to April and smoking ban long overdue.

How come smokers when they finish a meal have to light up (and I dont mean like Christmas trees) it really annoys me no end. If I wanted to smoke I would have taken it up myself.

Mind you since the smoke ban affecting most work places its amazing how many you meet at lunchtime walking around outside using their ciggies like Darth Vadar light sabres!!!

Guess the smokers will be getting to enjoy our inclement weather hope they bring their umbrellas!!!


Mike

Have to also admit I am scundered with all our politicians our here too not a decent one amongst them.

Hi Mike

I agree completely but its been years since the Irish government implemented it in the Republic and even Scotland have had the ban imposed for some time now, as usual Northern Ireland is lagging behind.

I was talking to a pub owner in the Republic about the smoking ban and how if has effected trade. He told me that there really isnt much difference and in addition to this his cleaning and decorating bills are down dramatically as the walls are not as black (from the smoke) as they once were.

:agent:

Hi Robbie

I went down for a shopping trip to Dublin awhile back and it is noticable the difference in pubs and restaurants.

One of my first jobs was in a confectionary /tobacco wholesalers and I shared a room with a boss who chained smoke.

George owned the business and went through 200 cigareetes every two days. I tried my best to be elsewhere and only when I was on the phone with orders I exposed big time to the smoke. Needless to say my clothes smelt like a smoker but I can only imagine what it would have been like to my health if had stayed there longtime.


Mike

Mike

I can relate to that type of a workplace but thankfully it will occur no longer.

I also remember walking into a pub in Dublin, not realising there was a smloking ban and being struck by how clear the air was inside the pub and how the smell was much better, I then remembered about the ban and longed for a time when it would come North.

:agent:

Recommended Reading: Mark Steyn's "America Alone"

I don't know how many of you are familiar with Mark Steyn but he's one of my favorite writers, mostly because his conservative ideology agrees with my own. In "America Alone", he makes a very convincing and well-researched case that all Europeans west of the Caucasus had better:

(a) Begin having lots more children, or

(b) Think about immigrating to America, or

(c) Begin studying the Koran.

Steyn's thesis is that within 25 or 30 years, because of comparative birthrates, almost all of Europe will be under Islamic control and that European "infidels" who refuse to convert to Islam will be mercilessly killed. He goes on to say that America is the last, best hope for continuance of what has always been thought of as "Western" values but that if the Democratic Party regains total dominance in American politics, even that hope may vanish.

If Steyn is right (and I have no reason to doubt his views), those of us who aren't Islamic face a scary future.

Hi Stumpy

If it is going to be made compulsory can I volunteer for lots of (a) if its a civic duty LOL.

In regard to our Islamic brothers & sisters they have tried to come before see Charlemagne El Cid etc and in a straight fight I wouldn't place much betting money on them winning.


Mike

In regard to our Islamic brothers & sisters they have tried to come before see Charlemagne El Cid etc and in a straight fight I wouldn't place much betting money on them winning.

Read the book, Mike....it may change your mind. Steyn says the birthrate for practically all Europeans is far below replacement level, whereas Muslims are multiplying like rabbits. In the end, numbers win.

Hi Stumpy

Sure according to the scientists we are all going to be under water or have wet feet in Europe very soon or at least have our own supply of ice cubes.

So the islamics better bring a few good plumbers with them. Not a skill associated with them unless they have a few Polish pilgrims.

Best hope is spot a new planet, develop nuclear fusion, build space rockets, take our John Wayne collection with us and drop a few unwanted nuclear warheads on the "unfriendlies" on the way out and book an appointment to come back to Earth in 97 years.


Mike

According to Steyn, a huge problem is the number of politically-correct wimps running things in Europe, not only the so-called leaders in the separate countries but especially those in Brussels. Apparently every time an ayatollah says "jump", the European politicians say "how high?" So I wouldn't place much faith in those clowns having the cojones to vigorously resist the Islamization of the Continent.

Read the book, Mike....it may change your mind. Steyn says the birthrate for practically all Europeans is far below replacement level, whereas Muslims are multiplying like rabbits. In the end, numbers win.


Yeah but Stumpy, if they cannot stop killing each other it doesn't really matter how many keep "showing up". I understand I am just a midwestern "kid" who knows nothing of world affairs and religion. But in my mind, the Muslim's, especially the radicals who kill in the name of allah or whoever, are the most lost and misinformed people on this planet. I think we should be more scared if they start getting along and making treaties with each other.

Yeah but Stumpy, if they cannot stop killing each other it doesn't really matter how many keep "showing up". I understand I am jst a midwestern "kid" who knows nothing of world affairs and religion. But in my mind, the Muslim's, especially the radicals who kill in the name of allah or whoever, are the most lost and misinformed people on this planet. I think we should be more scared if they start getting along and making treaties with each other.

Todd,
Apparently you're thinking only of the Sunnis and Shiites who are killing each other in Iraq. They're but a small percentage of the total population of Muslims, all of whom want to kill infidels (folks who don't subscribe to the Islamic religion.)

Steyn's book says one of the main reasons the Islamists hate us so is our cultural rot (and I can more-or-less agree with that assessment...however, I'm a hell of a lot more tolerant than most Muslims. I believe in live-and-let-live.)

Hi Stumpy

Relax, if the floating ice cubes from the Artic dont get us bird flu will proberable do the trick.

By the way Shia And Sunni hate each other bit like the Ian Paisley and the Pope having a group hug (Mind you everything is possible these days)

Sunni are descended from Turks while Shia originate from Gengis Khan empire.

The Shia's regard the Sunni's as infidels and not real Moslems.

The only one's who have their heads screwed on properly are the Kurds who should be given their own country out of Iraq.

In regard to Islam rising as one nation forget it you have more chance of every strand of Christianity coming together and agreeing on doctrine.

The religious fanatics are bred on poverty ignorance and suppression a regular
event in most of the Islamic states which only really exist because of the need and power of oil. Get a replacement for oil and they are history back to the old Lawrence of Arabia days. Check that film out for how fellow Arabs got on and also check on excellent Khartoum film with a story about the Mardi.


Best


Mike

Well without sounding to mean, we should just pull out of every country, stop giving our money to everyone, take care of our own, lock down our borders, drill in Alaska till we find a alternative fuel, and let the rest of the world rot if we are such a bad infulence. And if that doesn't work then just start bombing, everything!!!!

*That was all said tongue in cheek and was not meant to make the people in the countries that hold the same ideals as the US upset or angry*

Nobody is attacking the US. Just blasting an hornet's nest with a baseball bat aint good sense unless you want stung!!

Study history and there are numerous examples were the bigger opponent lost but shouldnt have.

Alexander the Great couldnt totally control what is now modern Aghanistan.

The British got butchered there in the 19th Century and withdrew.

The Russians bombed the hell out of Aghanistan and were not any further forward when they left.

The British lost the War of Independence because they used miltary force
and couldnt cope with an foe who wouldnt fight by the standard rules.

Hitler would have won WW2 if he had left it to his Generals but made simple basic mistakes that a child could have seen.

Im not saying the war in Iraq is wrong. The problem is Plan A is not working there needs to be a Plan B.

The only way to win in Iraq (which an artifical country set up after WW1) is either to divide the country into three bits Kurds Sunni and Shias or look for another strong leader to keep them in order. To be honest any other option isnt going to work and all that will happen is more Allied soldiers will end up dead and wounded and more volunteers for the terrorists.

Once the heat is taken out of Iraq the plan should be follow the money and you would soon track down the terrorists who have carried out 9/11 and all the other attacks.

Well without sounding to mean, we should just pull out of every country, stop giving our money to everyone, take care of our own, lock down our borders, drill in Alaska till we find a alternative fuel, and let the rest of the world rot if we are such a bad infulence. And if that doesn't work then just start bombing, everything!!!!

I couldn't agree more. And that's NOT tongue-in-cheek.

BTW, guys, I still highly recommend Steyn's book for some good insights.

Nobody is attacking the US.

Why, haven't you heard, Mike - nobody has to be attacking the U.S. for this country to get into wars. After 1945, the clowns in Washington appointed America defender of the entire world, whether the world wants it or not.

BTW, I'm an isolationist. I say the U.S. should develop an alternative energy source, pull up the drawbridge, and say to hell with everybody else, especially the Middle East.

Apparently, Steyn disapproves of isolationalist right-wingers like me, as he includes a couple of lines of criticism in his book for isolationalism. Outside of that, we agree on almost everything else.

Well, I am not a total isolationist. But I will say like Stumpy, we like to stick our nose into alot of things that we don't belong in or need to be part of. Problem is, the world cries for help and the good ole US of A comes a running and cleans up or helps out, but before you know it, we are then plastered for helping. If that's the case then that's where I say to heck with the world and become "isolationist" in my views.

We are not going to solve the problems in this world amongst ourselves. With that said I am going to bow out of this conversation.

I really hate political discussions, because no one usually likes my opinion. After spending 12 years in the military, visiting about 32 different countries, meeting and getting to know many different cultures, seeing the way many many people live in large and small countries, I have to say I like it where I am. I back our President right or wrong, it's what you do if your an American. Not saying he's right or wrong but a nation divided will not endure.

We've been helping the little guy for over a hundred years now. Helping them fight their wars, eliminate their dictators, feed their people, re-build their infrastructure and everything else we've done with a piss poor reimbursement percentage. One example, our military ships dock in Italian ports for free to pay off their WWII debt. We used to travel through the Panama Canal for free for obvious reasons.

Personally, and this is where I get in trouble, I think it's time we start letting everyone fight their own battles. Send the Statue of Liberty back to France, close our borders, if your child is born here you don't get automatic citizenship, and starting spending those billions of dollars on our own homeless, disabled and children. Keep our military close to home. Don't allow US companies to out source jobs to other countries so when I call to get help from a customer service department, I can actually understand the person. This may not be a popular view but we have a lot of people right here at home that can use help from their own government.

I haven't been able to work for 5 years now and I never will again but it took me over 2 years to get disability. People have to remember, we lost more military in Korea in a war that hasn't ended yet. Technically we're still at war with Korea, the only thing stopping hostilities is a treaty and a highly defended DMZ. But we need to start taking care of our own people. New Orleans and alternative fuel source would be a good start.

The problem I see with the war in Iraq, is you can't mix religion and politics. With our separation of church and state it works. But they want an Islamic religion defined government. Not gonna work!

Done preaching! :hyper:

The problem I see with the war in Iraq

The problem I see with the war in Iraq is this, (http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm) which is the exact same micromanaging by civilians that we had in Vietnam. And we all know what happened in that fiasco.

My grandpa used to tell me, "Son, avoid a fight if you can but if you can't, get into it to win", which is very good advice. In other words, once you get into war, take the gloves off and kick their butts. Period. We fought that way in WW2 but haven't since then.

The Washington Times is the most biased newspaper rag in DC. And I was talking the overall reason why Iraq will never become stable with a religious based government. The reason we haven't fought that way since WWII is the stupid United Nations, probably the most worthless organization in the world today. Started after WWII, it's purpose has become worthless. Security council vetoes usually tie our hands because if we don't follow the consensus of the council we look bad. And our main opponents are China, Russia and France. How can you take countries that can't stand each other and ever think they'll agree on policy. Bad topic... moving on!

The Washington Times is the most biased newspaper rag in DC.

Surely you jest. It's no more biased than the Post, NYT or even the Tribune in your neighborhood.

Actually their reputation for slamming the current administration is profound. And it changes as the administration changes. To me they're more of a humor rag.

I agree with most all that is said here. Dakota.S. also posted several somethings I completely agree with (along with all he has said and just to keep my reply short) in that the united nations is a very usless and money-spending organization. I've always said that the initials "U.N" stand for: Useless Nations. I wish they would be kicked out of our country but made to pay up all their bills first -- including the millions of dollars in traffic tickets that representatives of the u.n. accrued in NYC over the years.

According to Steyn, a huge problem is the number of politically-correct wimps running things in Europe

See what I mean by politically-correct wimps? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/28/nterr28.xml)

Maybe the next time the ragheads decide to blow up more innocent civilians in the London subway, Scotland Yard may decide "profiling" ain't such a bad idea after all.

Ooooops - looks like somebody goosed 'er (http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/01-28-07.jpg) again. :wink_smile:

If it was at all possible may I suggest
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Man, I sure would go along with that, Mike. Those terrorists would be in deep kimchee, wouldn't they?

The problems in British politics continued today when it was revealed that the police had lost track of over 300 sex offenders. While I understand that many Americans may have a lot of respect for Blair and the Labour government, however for me this (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/28012007/325/bad-news-home-office.html)story epitamises Labours dreadful tenure.

:agent:

The problems in British politics continued today when it was revealed that the police had lost track of over 300 sex offenders. While I understand that many Americans may have a lot of respect for Blair and the Labour government, however for me this (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/28012007/325/bad-news-home-office.html)story epitamises Labours dreadful tenure.

:agent:

Count me out on respect for the Labourites themselves, Rob. It's only Tony I admire and even then, only because he's stood by us so steadfastly in Iraq. He's been a true ally and such folks are hard to find nowadays.

But I've read of certain policies and events occurring in the U.K. over the past several years that both shock and disappoint me very much because they don't sound like the U.K. of my fond memories. It's really hard to believe that little group of islands ruled most of the civilized world in centuries past.

I've become thoroughly disgusted with the cultural disintegration in this country during the past 30 or 40 years but damned if I don't think it's been worse in not only Great Britain but the entire continent of Europe. Some of the thought now prevalent on that side of the pond is really hard to digest for someone like me.

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Mike, might I ask, is this button pinned on your chest?:uhoh:

Chester :newyear:

If it is, man he's even tougher than Duke!!!

Hi Chester

No, I saw that on one of my tours of Ebay

Ive had this one from about 3 years ago. Proper made badge that doesnt fade in the sun LOL and I havent seen another like it since on Ebay.

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Mike

If he really feels this (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070131/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush;_ylt=AqpyzrXediVNf8o3JIS14LCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMT A2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--) way, he should be making about $14. per month, I think. :wink_smile:

Hi Stumpy

It would be nice to have all politicians on performance!

Mike

Hi Stumpy

It would be nice to have all politicians on performance!

Mike

Amen, Mike.

If the pols were graded on performance though, many if not most of them would end up in the hole.

Robbie made the statement that PM Blair was pretty popular in America and he's right. In fact, I would vote for Mr. Blair for president over any of the Americans who've announced they're running because IMO, he at least has the courage of his convictions whereas none of the current crop of American presidential candidates does. None of them would recognize principle if it came up and bit 'em in the butt.

Funny how distance can distort things.

I think you would find many who would pay you to take Blair away. As for his wife Cherie she makes Hilary look like a warm kind member of the human race
LOL

Blair would be known as having more faces than the Albert Clock a local expression for being two faced liar.

For George Bush's faults I would actually say he believes in what he is doing
and has a certain Irish/Scottish stubborness about trying to achieve his aims.


Mike

George Bush's has a certain Irish/Scottish stubborness about trying to achieve his aims.

You sure have that right. 'Specially the stubborness part. :no2:

In a way, I agree with his determination to resist the Islamofascist's announced goal of trying to spread Islam throughout the world. But as an isolationist, I'm sick of this country getting involved in crap that has nothing to do with our direct security interests. I could see the U.S. going into Afghanistan to take out al Qaeda and the Taliban since they were directly responsible for the attack in NY. But I just cannot accept that Iraq was a direct threat to this country.

I don't accept the left's charges that Bush lied the U.S. into Iraq. More than likely, he was given faulty intelligence information and decided to act on it.

I can even accept him sending in the troops to overthrow Hussein. Hussein was a Hitler clone who richly deserved to be overthrown. What ticks me off no end though is Bush's Wilsonian desire to "make the world safe for democracy". Hell, those ragheads wouldn't know democracy if it came up and bit 'em in the butt. Look at the way they treat their women....disgraceful.

Well, I'd better not get started on this rant because I could go on for days about political things that just irritate the hell out of me. :cry2:

Stumpy,

I agree with most of what you have to say on this point.

I too think we need to keep our nose in our own business.

Look what practiced democracy got us there in Iraq, a Shiite run country that is pursecuting the few Christians that remain there. Hussein was an evil (censored) but at least the Chaldean Christians who once lived there could live in peace.

But you're right, the Western concept of a Republic, which is what I think Bush was really hoping for, is completely foreign to the people of the Middle East. They are not loyal to the concept of a country but rather to a family clan.

We in the US really need to seriously take up a national study of our founding fathers, especially Washington, and understand the consequences of going against those ideals our country was founded upon.

We in the US really need to seriously take up a national study of our founding fathers, especially Washington, and understand the consequences of going against those ideals our country was founded upon.

Amen.

It's been almost a hundred years since anybody in D.C. paid heed to Washington's excellent advice.

“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.”

George Washington

Jim

Does that include the UK?

:agent:

Hi Robbie

I think Washington made that statement because of the "British" and the "French" were trying to involve everyone in their war at the time and if US remained neutral they wouldnt be drawn into that conflict.

Mike

Jim

Does that include the UK?

:agent:

There I have strongly conflicting feelings, Rob. As I've said, my ancestry is Scotch-Irish and I've been a lifelong Anglophile. I have a very soft spot in my heart for the U.K., or at least the U.K. as I remember it back in the forties and fifties. And the historical U.K. But how do I square that liking for Great Britain with my isolationalism? Believe me, it's hard to do. Let me put it this way, if Great Britain needs any kind of assistance, military or otherwise, I say we should go immediately to their side. Otherwise, we should keep our distance.

I am totally convinced that all the problems this country has in the Middle East is caused by our slavish devotion to Israel's security. But I'd better not get into that or somebody will accuse me of being anti-Semitic.

Hi Robbie

I think Washington made that statement because of the "British" and the "French" were trying to involve everyone in their war at the time and if US remained neutral they wouldnt be drawn into that conflict.

Mike

You're wrong, Mike. Washington's advice to avoid "entangling alliances" was in his farewell address and that was after this country won its' independence from Great Britain. The (North American) conflict between the British and French was long over by that time.

Hi Jim

I think the term conflict over was like five minutes in the ice hockey sin bin. They British finished fighting the French King before they started with Napolean.

Was Washington speech directed to avoiding alliances with either France or Britain and to maintain US neutrality?


Mike

Glad you like Scots and Irish.

The English and Welsh are not bad either.


Mike

Was Washington speech directed to maintain US neutrality?
Mike

I believe that was Washington's aim - to maintain neutrality.

That's my wish also. I've always wished the U.S. would adopt the Swiss model of strict neutrality. I'm not all that familiar with Swiss history but believe they've managed to avoid war throughout their entire existence.

Big mountains lots of chocolate and dont ask any questions were you got the money tend to sum up the Swiss success story

Hi Jim

I understand your feelings regarding the link between the UK and USA. I have said before that I have been very unhappy with Blairs tenure as Primeminister but I am happy at the way he has attempted to maintain the special relationship with the USA.

:agent:

CSM Pendry is my kinda man! (http://jdpendry.com/2007/02/)

Wonder will Tony Blair be arrested or forced to resign. I don't think there is any procedure to impeach him.


Mike

Wonder will Tony Blair be arrested or forced to resign. I don't think there is any procedure to impeach him.

I read a day or so ago that the PM had been questioned by the police in connection with the selling of peerages. Anything to that, Mike? If so, that will sure lower my estimation of the man.

Questioned for a second time Jim and there is talk of secret email system in Downing Street. Even his own party want to go before local May elections. He starting to make Richard Nixon look like a saint


Mike

Oooh how I love this thread. So nice to have so many people think in the same stratosphere that I do. But I have to avoid this thread less it have the same effect as Chili Bills chili (haven't tried it yet, but I'll take his word). I will say one thing however, as I can't stop myself. Pelosi (our esteemed Botox queen) now has use of military planes for her family as well as her delegates and nary a peep out of the main-stream press. At least she is getting rid of the culture of corruption. Sorry if I'm just repeating anything from earlier. It's taking me forever to catch up on these threads, but its a pleasure.
Bo

Oooh how I love this thread. So nice to have so many people think in the same stratosphere that I do.

Glad to hear other folks have the same contempt for politicians (especially those of the liberal persuasion) that I do, Bo. I'm even further to the right than our dearly departed Duke was. :wink_smile:

Ain't our new Speaker a hoot?

Ain't our new Speaker hot?

Yes I think she is hot too.:teeth_smile:

Am I in trouble now Stumpy? :omg:

Yes I think she is hot too.:teeth_smile:

Am I in trouble now Stumpy? :omg:

Wow, I cannot wait to see what ole Stump has to say on this one!! :drinks_wine:

Yes I think she is hot too.:teeth_smile:

That was with TWO "O"s, PV.

So unless your remark was meant to convey a suggestion that Pelosi comes from a certain nether region (which is rumored to be rather warm), I can't agree. :no2:

Hi Popol

I agree she's gorgeous but I still think Hillary is better looking!:twitchsmile:

Jim

Tony Blairs position is now unattenable he has been questioned by police but then again so has Gordon Brown (the future primeminister). A close aid of Tony Blairs has been arrested for the supply of misleadning information and still the conservatives do nothing.

:agent:

still the conservatives do nothing.

Your conservatives sound like our conservatives, Rob. :no:

Hi Jim

To be fair Cameron the supposed leader of the conservative party is considering the use of gel in his hair to improve on his sexual pulling power which he believes will enable him to attain the necessary votes to become future primeminister.

:agent:

You know, I never agreed with Tony Benn and his politics but the only one in that cabinet who even gives the impression he might actually believe what he says is Hilary Benn his son who is favourite to become Deputy Prime Minister. When goofy Gordon finally takes the poisoned chalice of leadership from Blair's hand I think he will wish he took that job as head of IMF!!

All the rest of them are to busy lining their pockets or dropping their trousers to actually govern the country properly.

The conservatives are just a sad husk of a party and dont be surpised if the Independance Party or BNP manage to take seats at the next election.


Mike

Mike

I agree with much of what you said.

I can honestly see the turnout being down again due to lack of choice and voter disillusionment with mainstream politics. I can't however see the BNP being elected to westminster in the capacity of 'MP' I do think they will poach a few extras votes and possibly some council seats.

Who in their right mind is going to vote for David Cameron who's policies are 'Soft of Crime' and 'Hug a hoody', I wish I was making these policies up. He refuses to have a policy for fear of offending/upsetting anyone and loosing potential voters. Politicians like Cameron are bad for democracy and bad for the UK as a whole.

:agent:

Hi Robbie

I dont know they are a pretty repulsive lot but like the nazi they offer simple solutions and if there was a serious terrorist attack or major economic downturn those are the sort of parties that will gain because of the weakness of the other political parties.

Mike

To be fair Cameron the supposed leader of the conservative party is considering the use of gel in his hair to improve on his sexual pulling power which he believes will enable him to attain the necessary votes to become future primeminister.

:agent:

That sounds exactly like something a contemporary politician would pull. Little wonder most ordinary citizens don't take them seriously. To me, politicians rank just below lawyers (barristers), their progenitors.

I can honestly see the turnout being down again due to lack of choice and voter disillusionment with mainstream politics.

Thirty or forty years ago I was one of the most politically-engaged people you'd ever want to meet. I wrote hundreds of letters to presidents, members of Congress, newspaper editors, educators, business leaders and other opinion shapers in this country. I voted religiously in every single election from 1960 through 1990. I sent money to various politicians. Finally, I came to the conclusion that my efforts were a waste of time and that, with few exceptions, I was just voting for the lesser of two evils. Well, this is one person who will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils. To hell with all of 'em, says I.

A lot of politicians in UK and USA tend to be ex lawyers /solicitors/ barristers !!!:eek:

I hope people are joking when they say Pelosi is hot. If she gets too close to a source of heat, her botox with break down and you might be seeing someone totally different. That woman is a political machine. I would wonder if she related to the tin man.
Bo

"Well, this is one person who will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils. To hell with all of 'em, says I."

Jim, I wish circumstances were such that I could buy you a beer! Hell, I'd even buy ya 2. Those are some of the wisest words I've read in a while.

And bopoppa, I wouldn't say Pelosi is hot now, but she could well be in the here after if you get my drift.

Jim, I wish circumstances were such that I could buy you a beer! Hell, I'd even buy ya 2.

I suspect there would be a lot of beer buying going on around here. . :beer_yum::beer_yum::beer_yum:

Chester :newyear:

Yeah Chester, I thing the virtual pub is the next true technology hurdle to leap. If we could breach that gap, oh my wouldn't life be grand!

Yes it would, here's to Technology! ! ! :beer:

Chester :newyear:

Looks like most of us are voting for "the lesser of two evils" which is what I have been doing since the end of the Reagan Era.

Are there no politicians out there who are worth more than a flying doughnut anymore?

LAre there no politicians out there who are worth more than a flying doughnut anymore?

I suspect the internationalists, who control much of what we see and hear, are making sure that won't happen again. They prefer "flying donuts".

Chester :newyear:

What we really need is the Second American Revolution. Flush all those Washington yahoos down the toilet and start over.

I think term limits would be a good start. How many years of Ted Kennedy can one take.:cry2: But, barring that I would have to agree with the above post. I think there have to be some good candidates out there, but no money equals no voice.:ohwell: I'm not so nervous about the state of the country as I am the younger generation who knows nothing of sacrifice and who's idea of patriotism is warped. There hasn't been any Depressions or World Wars to unite this country and until there is some sort of shared hardship, there will be no unity. Just my two cents.
Bo

I hope people are joking when they say Pelosi is hot. If she gets too close to a source of heat, her botox with break down and you might be seeing someone totally different. That woman is a political machine. I would wonder if she related to the tin man.
Bo
Relax Bo. I am actually very indifferent to the woman in every way. There was a short clip on the news here the day she got the position, since she was the first woman to have it.After that she hasn't been mentioned on any news channels I have watched. And believe me, if I was to discuss hot ladies on this message board, I wouldn't have picked her.

Now Hillary Clinton on the other hand....:teeth_smile:

Regards
Popol Vuh

Im sure she has a web site or is that a fan site Popol!!:broken_heart:

Mike

Between Pelosi and Hillary and you guys talking about there "hotness". I think I am going to puke!!!

If I did have to vote for a "hot" lady in politics I would say check out our state rep from Minnesota. I am not being partial cause she is from Minnesota, I am just saying if I had to vote for the "hotness" factor, this is who I would vote for.

http://www.michelebachmann.com/

Im sure she has a web site or is that a fan site Popol!!:broken_heart:

Mike

You think so? If not maybe Keith can make a section for her on this message board like the "Maureen O'Hara" forum.

Sorry I made you sick Viper, but the smilies should indicate I was joking.

Sorry for side-tracking this thread. I shall now leave, my head hanging in shame and let those who want to discuss politics continue to do so.

Regards
Popol Vuh

You think so? If not maybe Keith can make a section for her on this message board like the "Maureen O'Hara" forum.

Sorry I made you sick Viper, but the smilies should indicate I was joking.

Sorry for side-tracking this thread. I shall now leave, my head hanging in shame and let those who want to discuss politics continue to do so.

Regards
Popol Vuh

Well before we do get this thread back on topic, I'm gonna sidetrack,
and say Todd, she sure is a nice looking gal,
could do with her over here!!
Don't know wherther Kevin would allow us, a dedicated forum though!!!

Recommended reading for those of you who loathe politicians and/or obtrusive government as much as I do: books by an author named Vince Flynn. I loooooove his writing because I truly believe he and I feel exactly the same way about the two institutions mentioned above. I know that in each book of his that I've read, he's givin' 'em hell.

Recommended reading for those of you who loathe politicians and/or obtrusive government as much as I do: books by an author named Vince Flynn. I loooooove his writing because I truly believe he and I feel exactly the same way about the two institutions mentioned above. I know that in each book of his that I've read, he's givin' 'em hell.

Stumpy, Guess where Vince is from. I know, I know. Its that same Minnesota connection.

You are correct though, excellent writer and he writes very good books. I have heard him many times on a radio show I listen to on my way home from work(30 min drive). He sounds like a decent guy.

Stumpy, Guess where Vince is from. I know, I know. Its that same Minnesota connection.

You are correct though, excellent writer and he writes very good books. I have heard him many times on a radio show I listen to on my way home from work(30 min drive). He sounds like a decent guy.

My wife was the first to "discover" him. She reads non-stop and brought home a couple of his most-recent books from our local library. After reading them, she told me I'd probably like his writing since Vince and I seemed to share a vast antipathy for government and politicians. How right she was - after reading those two, I didn't stop until I had managed to acquire the other six he's written. I'm now reading the first he wrote, a title called "Term Limits". It has nothing to do with politicians voluntarily leaving office though. They leave rather "involuntarily". I love it.

It seems that Mr Cameron is in a spot of hot water at the moment over allegations of drug use while he was at Eton college.

Its a shame that he was able to set the political tone of his tenure around one year ago when he refused to admit or deny the allegation of drug use while he was younger. This ultimately boosted his profile and showed that he could handle extreme media scutiny.

Now he claims that there are things he has done in the past that he has regretted, again he is not coming out with a straight answer and again he is boosting his public profile.

While I don't really care what he has been up to in college when he was younger, I disagree with this issue being used to enhance his image, he's been leader of the conservative party for over one year now and still no policies.

:agent:

It seems that Mr Cameron is in a spot of hot water at the moment over allegations of drug use while he was at Eton college.

Its a shame that he was able to set the political tone of his tenure around one year ago when he refused to admit or deny the allegation of drug use while he was younger. This ultimately boosted his profile and showed that he could handle extreme media scutiny.

Now he claims that there are things he has done in the past that he has regretted, again he is not coming out with a straight answer and again he is boosting his public profile.

While I don't really care what he has been up to in college when he was younger, I disagree with this issue being used to enhance his image, he's been leader of the conservative party for over one year now and still no policies.

:agent:

Like I said earlier, Rob, your political leaders sound exactly like our political leaders. Hardly any of them have principles, IMO.

There's a single American politician for whom I'd vote for any office, including president. He's Senator Tom Coburn from Oklahoma. The only problem is, he's indicated no interest in running for higher office and even if he was interested, he probably wouldn't get help from other politicians because he's made them all mad by exposing the wasteful spending they do. He has principles though and is willing to fight for them, unlike about 99.9% of other politicians.

Hi Robbie

The problem with Cameron is that they are moulding him like a clone of Blair.
All image no substance a man of straw who at the slightest pressure blows one way then the other.

Lord help us


Mike

I suspect the internationalists, who control much of what we see and hear, are making sure that won't happen again. They prefer "flying donuts".

Chester :newyear:

I fully agree with you on all this. Also, I shudder to think of what will happen if they stupidly decide to "dismantle" our border down South.

:laugh: :laugh: I hear ya on that.

Recommended reading for those of you who loathe politicians and/or obtrusive government as much as I do: books by an author named Vince Flynn. I loooooove his writing because I truly believe he and I feel exactly the same way about the two institutions mentioned above. I know that in each book of his that I've read, he's givin' 'em hell.



Hi Stumpy, I never heard of this author but I am interested in knowing the names to some of the books he has written.

You can bet that our local Barnes and Ignobles will not have any of his books on hand. They almost never seem to have books for Conservatives these days.

"our local Barnes and Ignobles"

Ringo,

I had to snicker when I read your post. My wife used to work there for a time, her first experience back in the work world in about 15 years.

I call the place "Barnes Ignoble" in honor of the "interesting" folks she used to have to work with there and the trashy crap she had to stock on the shelves.

In all honesty, I felt bad for these poor folks who had absolutely no spritual life at all. They were like shells walking about taking up space. Unfortunately, they were very adept at spouting filth at the drop of a hat.

I never heard of this author but I am interested in knowing the names to some of the books he has written.

Here's (http://www.vinceflynn.com/) his website showing all the titles he's written. He and I are as one in our contempt for the Washington pukes.

Like most authors, some of Flynn's books are better than others but out of the six I've read so far, only one was kinda boring. Most of 'em are real page-turners. The title "Memorial Day" is one of the most suspenseful and thrilling stories I've ever read, bar none.

The protagonist in most of the books is a CIA operative named Mitch Rapp whose primary function is tracking down and killing, by any means necessary, people who threaten harm to this country. So far, that mostly involves Arab terrorists. Rapp is very good at what he does. In doing his job, he doesn't take crap off of anyone, up to and including those in the White House. This is the part I like best - when he tells those egomaniacs in Washington to sit down and shut up. :teeth_smile:

If anyone decides they want to read Flynn's books, I recommend you read them in order, from the oldest to the newest, as most of them make reference to something that happened in an earlier book.

"our local Barnes and Ignobles"

Ringo,

I had to snicker when I read your post. My wife used to work there for a time, her first experience back in the work world in about 15 years.

I call the place "Barnes Ignoble" in honor of the "interesting" folks she used to have to work with there and the trashy crap she had to stock on the shelves.

In all honesty, I felt bad for these poor folks who had absolutely no spritual life at all. They were like shells walking about taking up space. Unfortunately, they were very adept at spouting filth at the drop of a hat.

Hi Tbone, heh heh, I have called them that for years now. I fully agree with you on the junk they stock their shelves with. Very rarely do I ever find a title stocked that I don't have to place an order for. I WISH we had a Borders Bookstore here--I like them much better. The one I have been to (when in San Antonio) is close to where Jay lives in San Antonio. I also "hear ya" about the quality of folks they have working there. The store here USED to have many great people working there but, most have left or transferred out. I sure do miss Heather--their book specialist who has been gone for about 8 years or so now. Heather was good enough to find me a rare OOP title for cover price--when if you could find a copy, regularly sold at $350.00.

Cheers and Rootbeers--Carl.

Stumpy, many thanks for the link to his website. Also, from reading a bit about a few of his books, I have convinced my local library system to buy his books.

Much appreciated--Carl.

Ringo, I have saw most of his books at the Barnes and Nobles store up here in Minnesota. Might be because he is from here, but I think I even saw them at numerous bookstores around the Altanta, GA area. So I thik it should be easy to get ahold of them.

Are you a Democrat, Republican or Southerner?

Here is a little test that will help you decide. The answer can be found by
posing the following question:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.
Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner,
locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife,
and charges at you. You are carrying a Glock 40 cal, and you are an expert
shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do
you do?
.................................................. ............

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man
look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire
him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the
kids? What does the law say about this situation? Why am I carrying a loaded
gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my
children? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to
wound me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted? We need to
raise taxes, have paint and weed day and make this happier, healthier street
that would discourage such behavior.
...........................................
Republican's Answer:
BANG!
.........................................

Southerner's Answer: *
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click.....
(Sounds of reloading) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Click.
Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or
Hollow Points?
Son: Can I shoot the next one!
Wife: You Ain't Taking That To The Taxidermist!

I'm definitely a Southerner, Jim. Only I carry a Browning Hi-Power.

Guess I must be a Southerner but if I was an expert shot the Scottish Presbytarian blood would kick in after 3 bangs then check his wallet for the cost of the bullets.


Mike

"There's a single American politician for whom I'd vote for any office, including president. He's Senator Tom Coburn from Oklahoma. The only problem is, he's indicated no interest in running for higher office and even if he was interested, he probably wouldn't get help from other politicians because he's made them all mad by exposing the wasteful spending they do. He has principles though and is willing to fight for them, unlike about 99.9% of other politicians."

Jim, I'm proud to say that man is my senator and I wish he'd run for President too!

Jim, I'm proud to say that man is my senator and I wish he'd run for President too!

Although I was born and now live in enemy territory (Texas..:wink_smile: ), my roots lie deep in Oklahoma. Most of my ancestors on both sides of the family were from Oklahoma. I spent most of my childhood and adolescent years there (until I joined the military in 1955 for a 24-year career) and lived in Duncan from 1986 until 1990. I'd probably still be in Duncan if the state legislature hadn't raised taxes every single year that I lived there. Since I hate taxes almost as much as I hate politicians, I moved to Texas in '90 (as you know, they have no state income tax........yet).

Anyway, I sent Senator Coburn an email awhile back asking him to jump into the presidential race but so far, he has ignored me. With his principles, he's probably so disgusted with the whole political scene in Washington that he wants nothing more to do with it. As you know, he gave up his seat in the House after 3 terms (just as he had promised)

Guess I must be a Southerner but if I was an expert shot the Scottish Presbytarian blood would kick in after 3 bangs then check his wallet for the cost of the bullets.


Mike

I thought the politicoes had disarmed all you folks in the UK after the school shooting, Mike.

According to everything I've read, the crime rate in the UK has skyrocketed after that disarming. Which was predictable. In US states where the law permits the carrying of weapons, the crime rate has fallen quite a bit. Criminals don't wanna mess with people who might pull out a gun and blow their butt away.

Hi Jim

Its a complex subject, for example allowing anyone who does not have a criminal record to carry a gun will result at some stage in an unbalanced person being in pocession of a firearm who will do severe damage with it.

However on the other hand a peson close to where I live shot a man on the leg who was stealing from his house. I was on the side of the man who shot the burgalar and thankfully when the case went to court common sense overuled political correctness.

So when it comes to people being allowed to carry firearms I am both for and against it, if you understand what I mean.

:agent:

"Since I hate taxes almost as much as I hate politicians, I moved to Texas in '90 (as you know, they have no state income tax........yet)."

Yeah Jim, we have the honor of boasting the highest paid legislature in the US. We also are the only state that lost population in the last census but yet continued to add state employees so that we have the highest state employee per capita ratio of any state in the union.

Yeah Jim, we have the honor of boasting the highest paid legislature in the US. We also are the only state that lost population in the last census but yet continued to add state employees so that we have the highest state employee per capita ratio of any state in the union.

So now you understand why I chose to move to Texas. :ohwell:

allowing anyone who does not have a criminal record to carry a gun will result at some stage in an unbalanced person being in pocession of a firearm who will do severe damage with it.

Surprisingly enough, Rob, there have been hardly any instances of a carrying citizen shooting someone without a valid reason. In almost every case, it's been well-justified self-defense.

As far as I know, most states who allow citizens to carry firearms require that they attend a firearms safety course and be issued a license. And I imagine at least some of them also require a psychological background check to ensure a mentally unbalanced person is not issued a license.

It outraged me when that British farmer was sent to prison for shooting (with a shotgun) the people who broke into his home. Whatever happened to the notion that a man's home is his "castle" (and thus he's justified in defending it)?

Surprisingly enough, Rob, there have been hardly any instances of a carrying citizen shooting someone without a valid reason. In almost every case, it's been well-justified self-defense.

As far as I know, most states who allow citizens to carry firearms require that they attend a firearms safety course and be issued a license. And I imagine at least some of them also require a psychological background check to ensure a mentally unbalanced person is not issued a license.

It outraged me when that British farmer was sent to prison for shooting (with a shotgun) the people who broke into his home. Whatever happened to the notion that a man's home is his "castle" (and thus he's justified in defending it)?

That went out the door when the liberals deemed your income is there income and they are allowing you to take home some money, even though they never worked for it.

Hi Jim

England Scotland and Wales are disarmed.

Over here I think one estimate put the gun ratio at one each. Mind you they are in some dubious hands.

I wish we did have the same laws were you could defend your home to the maximum.

Personally if some burglar or druggie came I would hit him with anything to hand. Providing he didnt leak too much the best bet is dump him far away from home or a bag of lime and panama canal job in the basement.:stunned:

I have joint visions of Goodfellas and Arsenic & Old Lace now!!


Mike

we have the honor of boasting the highest paid legislature in the US. We also are the only state that lost population in the last census but yet continued to add state employees so that we have the highest state employee per capita ratio of any state in the union.

This is a situation that's hard to grasp - a state that has two Republican senators (both of them pretty conservative) and five of their six congressmen are fairly conservative Republicans. Sounds like Oklahomans suffer from political schizophrenia. In other words, they don't really know which political system they want.

During the 4 years I lived in Duncan, Henry Bellmon (supposedly a "Republican") was governor. Yet during his tenure, he allowed the legislature to raise taxes every single year. Needless to say, I sent old Henry some pretty scathing letters. Not that they did any good, of course.

Whatcha think, Todd? Does this (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/14/D8N9MIFO0.html) jerk stand a chance? The very thought of him as a senator turns my stomach.

Ringo, I have saw most of his books at the Barnes and Nobles store up here in Minnesota. Might be because he is from here, but I think I even saw them at numerous bookstores around the Altanta, GA area. So I thik it should be easy to get ahold of them.


Hi Todd, I think your lucky in that the stores you have been to actually have a decent selection. If you visit the one here in Corpus Christi, you will be disappointed though. Yesterday I called them up just to inquire, and like I figured, the answer was nope--no copies of his books available at our location. However, I am getting them ordered by our local library and they said they will start to come in in about 3 weeks. _0D

Are you a Democrat, Republican or Southerner?

Here is a little test that will help you decide. The answer can be found by
posing the following question:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.
Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner,
locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife,
and charges at you. You are carrying a Glock 40 cal, and you are an expert
shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do
you do?
.................................................. ............

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man
look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire
him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the
kids? What does the law say about this situation? Why am I carrying a loaded
gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my
children? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to
wound me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted? We need to
raise taxes, have paint and weed day and make this happier, healthier street
that would discourage such behavior.
...........................................
Republican's Answer:
BANG!
.........................................

Southerner's Answer: *
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click.....
(Sounds of reloading) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Click.
Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or
Hollow Points?
Son: Can I shoot the next one!
Wife: You Ain't Taking That To The Taxidermist!



Im Southern all the way! And what is posted above, all I can say is: AINT THAT THE TRUTH!

I favor a ,45 but all I have for now is my 1943 AC made Walther P-38 (you know, a Germany Army pistol that has several of those little nasty nazi markings on it) Great pistol none-the-less.

Hi Jim

Its a complex subject, for example allowing anyone who does not have a criminal record to carry a gun will result at some stage in an unbalanced person being in pocession of a firearm who will do severe damage with it.

However on the other hand a peson close to where I live shot a man on the leg who was stealing from his house. I was on the side of the man who shot the burgalar and thankfully when the case went to court common sense overuled political correctness.

So when it comes to people being allowed to carry firearms I am both for and against it, if you understand what I mean.

:agent:

I wish it were the same here about common sense overruling political corrctness. Take this case in point: Very recently here, two Border Patrol Agents who were doing their job, had an "experiance" with an illegal alien/drug smuggler. The agents I am talking about were railroaded and are currently serving an 11 and 12 years sentence in Fed Prison--FOR DOING THEIR JOBS!

These two men spotted an illegal alien--who was smuggling somekind of dope into the USA who in turn pulled out a weapon and fired at these agents. These agents in turn, fired back at the jerk wounding him in the buttocks. The jerk made it back to Mexico.

It was said that these men lied about the incident. That these two men also allegedly said they wanted to shoot Mexicans. Do you know that these two agents are of Mexican-American descent? Compeon and Ramos?

Well, both were wrongfully convicted of a "crime" and sent to fed prison. One of them while in Fed prison, was attacked by 5-6 illegals that were serving time for some crime--in said prison.

Besides being beat to within an inch of his life, what really is also f_____-up is, that if a person who had been in law enforcement and had been sentenced to prison for some reason--that person is considered a P.C. (Protective Custody) and is supposed to NOT be placed in G.P. (General Population) and should have also been sent to a prison made up of men sentenced to prison, who all were in law enforcement. The State of Texas has such a facility and I cannot understand why the fed govt, does not seem to?

Anyway, President Bush should do the right thing and give these two men a full pardon. Also, I hope the sue the heck out of the penal system and get many millions of dollars as settlement. And another thing, the Warden of the prison that Compean was beat up in--should be fired on the spot.

If I had been one of these agents, I would have shot and killed that alien/drug-smuggling criminal.

I have been told by both Policemen and Sheriffs Deputies, that if someone has broken into your home and is armed and threatens you, that just MAKE SURE, that after you shoot him, that he dies inside your home. There is not a thing one, that the law will do against you in that case.

Around here where I live, in the past few years they have been having a rash of home invasions. Many of these have been in my neighborhood. If someone tried to knock down MY door and enter my HOME without MY permission, well, lets just say that I too have guns and will use them without any problem. Also, the tax-payers will be saving money as well.

If anyone wants to question my motives--please let me know and i'll gladly tell you a long story of an experiance I had while a State Correctional Officer--shortly after I had been hired for that job. If not interested, it will save me from telling a long story. ;-)

Whatcha think, Todd? Does this (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/14/D8N9MIFO0.html)jerk stand a chance? The very thought of him as a senator turns my stomach.

You are correct. He is a Puke, with a capitol "P". That guy couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag much less have any rational ideas or thoughts that might help the state of Minnesota or the US. He has bought into his own BS after just spewing hate towards the conservatives for the past 10-20 years and thinks he knows what all the answers are. Don't wory, there is atleast 1 person from Minnesota who will not even consider voting for that blow hard.

Hi Jim

England Scotland and Wales are disarmed.

Over here I think one estimate put the gun ratio at one each. Mind you they are in some dubious hands.

I wish we did have the same laws were you could defend your home to the maximum.

Personally if some burglar or druggie came I would hit him with anything to hand. Providing he didnt leak too much the best bet is dump him far away from home or a bag of lime and panama canal job in the basement.:stunned:

I have joint visions of Goodfellas and Arsenic & Old Lace now!!


Mike

Here's (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18) some pretty comprehensive information about gun laws in the 50 states.

You are correct. He is a Puke, with a capitol "P". That guy couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag much less have any rational ideas or thoughts that might help the state of Minnesota or the US. He has bought into his own BS after just spewing hate towards the conservatives for the past 10-20 years and thinks he knows what all the answers are. Don't wory, there is atleast 1 person from Minnesota who will not even consider voting for that blow hard.

I know the folks in Minnesota are considerably more liberal than those of us in the southern tier of states but I sure hope they're not that liberal.

I know the folks in Minnesota are considerably more liberal than those of us in the southern tier of states but I sure hope they're not that liberal.

Unfortunately you are correct. This state is notoriuosly screwed up on the liberal bias. Although our governor is a republican.

Although our governor is a republican.
Just because he's a Republican, in this day and age, doesn't always guarantee anything. Have you ever heard of the term RINO - Republican In Name Only? Some of the most influential Republicans in our government are working hand over fist trying to merge us into the New World Order, doing away with our gun rights, constitutional rights and in the long run, our sovereignty as a nation.

Chester :newyear:

Just because he's a Republican, in this day and age, doesn't always guarantee anything. Have you ever heard of the term RINO - Republican In Name Only? Some of the most influential Republicans in our government are working hand over fist trying to merge us into the New World Order, doing away with our gun rights, constitutional rights and in the long run, our sovereignty as a nation.

Chester :newyear:

Yeah, your own governor is a perfect example of the RINO species.

"This is a situation that's hard to grasp - a state that has two Republican senators (both of them pretty conservative) and five of their six congressmen are fairly conservative Republicans. Sounds like Oklahomans suffer from political schizophrenia. In other words, they don't really know which political system they want."

Yes Jim, the state has been under Democrat control since its founding. The Pubs are starting to gain ground but so many of them are neo-liberals that as you said earlier, they are 2 heads of the same snake.

Yeah, your own governor is a perfect example of the RINO species.

Sad, but true. I spent eight years on our local Republican central committee, and have seen it all.

Chester :newyear:

I know a lot of folks in the UK didn't like 'er but she was my second favorite PM of all time.


http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_02/thatcherDM1502_228x400.jpg

the state has been under Democrat control since its founding. The Pubs are starting to gain ground but so many of them are neo-liberals that as you said earlier, they are 2 heads of the same snake.

I know that what you say is true - all that is another reason I moved to Texas, where they cast off the chains of longtime control by the Democrats. Today Republicans, though not nearly as conservative as I'd like, control much of government in the Lone Star state.

An interesting perspective on immigration.

Chester :newyear:

A lady wrote the best letter in an Editorial in ages!!!It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

Her point:Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house.

Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.

But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters:

You are Required to let me stay in your house.
You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan.
You are Required to Educate my kids.
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends, who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there. It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.

And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.

Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn MY LANGUAGE so you can communicate with me.

Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?! Only in America ......

Don't get me started on illegal immigration, Jim. That's my biggest pet peeve of all. I know this'll never happen but I wish they'd station troops along the border with shoot-to-kill orders.

I've had it with the invasion of our country by all those living south of the border. And that clown now occupying the White House just encourages it.

Enjoy....

Chester :newyear:

Last Tuesday, as President Bush got off the helicopter in front of the White House, he was carrying a baby piglet under each arm.


The squared away Marine guard snaps to attention, salutes, and says: "Nice pigs, sir."


The President replies "These are not pigs these are authentic Arkansas Razorback Hogs. I got one for Senator Hillary Clinton and I got one for Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi."


The squared away Marine again snaps to attention, salutes, and says,


"Excellent trade, sir."

Nice one Chester Jim,
and by the way Stumpy Jim,
I guess there's no need to ask, who was your favourite UK PM?

Thanks for that Jim :-D

by the way Stumpy Jim,
I guess there's no need to ask, who was your favourite UK PM?

He succeeded Neville Chamberlain, naturally.

IMO, one of the towering figures of history, who deserves to be honored by all who value freedom.

Hi Stumpy

Yes, Churchill stand out like a giant amongst British Prime Ministers.

Who would your favourite President be?

Mike

Out of complete curiosity, how many democrats are there on this board? I can't believe everyone is a Republican and I can remember people stating in older posts on this board that they were Democrats.

:agent:

Hi Stumpy

Yes, Churchill stand out like a giant amongst British Prime Ministers.

Who would your favourite President be?

Mike

Of all 44, I think Thomas Jefferson. Of those who've been president during my lifetime (1938 to present), it would be Ronald Reagan, no contest.

I can't believe everyone is a Republican

We have a saying in the states, Rob...."I didn't leave the party; the party left me". That's how I feel about the Republicans. I no longer consider myself a Republican. I'm a conservative and IMO, the Republicans no longer represent conservative values.

Out of complete curiosity, how many democrats are there on this board? I can't believe everyone is a Republican and I can remember people stating in older posts on this board that they were Democrats.

:agent:
Next thing you know, we'll be talking about religion!:ohmy:

Chester :newyear:

Not hardly!!

Not hardly!!
Well said, Ethan!

Chester :newyear:

Personally, I like to keep out of these discussions,
but have to agree with stumpy, about Mr. Churchill,
Duke being a great admirer as well!!

Personally, I like to keep out of these discussions

I've been a political junkie all my life. It's funny - I hate politicians and obtrusive government but politics are one of my favorite topics of discussion. And as you know, I'm verrrrry opinionated on the subject. :teeth_smile:

Now religion is not a subject I care to argue about. I'm more or less an agnostic. However, I'm not hostile toward religion itself as many people are. I'm a strong believer in religious freedom but just don't like religious fanatics of any kind, Islamic or otherwise. And don't like people proselytizing me. That's a sore subject between my sister and me as she's always trying to "convert" me.

Hi Stumpy

I had a suspicion it would be Jefferson & Reagan.

In terms of importance and what they achieved I would rate Washington Jefferson both Roosevelts and Reagan. Andy Jackson should also get a mention as he was the last one to clear the national debt!!

Religion should be like the example of US School system "outside the remit" of this forum.


Mike

Hi Stumpy

I had a suspicion it would be Jefferson & Reagan.

In terms of importance and what they achieved I would rate Washington Jefferson both Roosevelts and Reagan. Andy Jackson should also get a mention as he was the last one to clear the national debt!!

Religion should be like the example of US School system "outside the remit" of this forum.


Mike

I think my favorite Democratic president was "Give 'em hell" Harry Truman. It took one helluva backbone to make the decision to drop atomic bombs on Japan (which ended WW2). I can't think of another president during my lifetime who would have had that brass, even RR.

have to agree with stumpy, about Mr. Churchill,

I'd bet everything I own that Winston would not have tolerated those Muslim fanatics in the UK who threaten more bombings and violence against the British people. He would have ran their butts back to the Middle East.

He would have interned them and then sent them back were they came from.

Which trust me I predict will happen.

Mike

Sometimes, I think we should start that in the states as well. They cannot seem to get there countries in order so they come to ours and then spout off about not getting a fair shake. Then all of a sudden we are having problems that we never could have imagined. I am all for people coming to place to better themselves. But for god sakes, live by the rules, speak the language that most of the people speak. And if you don't like it, get the hell out!!!

I have a question that has nothing to do with politics but was wondering if perhaps some American on the board might know the answer to. (I just don't wanna initiate another thread).

Has anybody else noticed that when renewing magazine subscriptions, so many of them are renewed in either Colorado, Florida or Iowa. Why is that?

For instance, I have a subscription to the magazine "Texas Highways", which is published by the Texas Department of Transportation in Austin. But when it comes time to renew the subscription, my renewal notice is always sent from Boulder, CO and that's where I send my renewal fee. The same with "Consumer Reports"; I don't think the magazine is based in Colorado but again, the renewal paperwork and fee is sent to Boulder.

I also have a subscription to "Shotgun News", the gun magazine (or newspaper), which I think is based in Nebraska. But at renewal time, the transaction is from someplace in Florida.

Weird......

Hi Jim

It is proberably something to do with all administration being based there.

Same as all our call centres like NTL being based in India and when you eventually get through you cant understand them or they cant understand them.


Mike

Same as all our call centres like NTL being based in India and when you eventually get through you cant understand them or they cant understand them.
Mike

We have exactly the same problem over here, Mike. A couple of years ago I had an internet connection with AT&T's DSL service. Every time I had a connection problem and called for help, I got hold of someone I couldn't understand. I finally got so mad at the situation that I wrote a very nasty letter to one of the head office people in AT&T, threatening to sue them for poor service. A few days later I got a personal phone call from the man to whom I wrote reassuring me that I'd have no more connection problems and if I did, to call him personally and he'd take care of it. I had hardly any problems with connectivity after that.

I have a question that has nothing to do with politics but was wondering if perhaps some American on the board might know the answer to. (I just don't wanna initiate another thread).

Has anybody else noticed that when renewing magazine subscriptions, so many of them are renewed in either Colorado, Florida or Iowa. Why is that?

For instance, I have a subscription to the magazine "Texas Highways", which is published by the Texas Department of Transportation in Austin. But when it comes time to renew the subscription, my renewal notice is always sent from Boulder, CO and that's where I send my renewal fee. The same with "Consumer Reports"; I don't think the magazine is based in Colorado but again, the renewal paperwork and fee is sent to Boulder.

I also have a subscription to "Shotgun News", the gun magazine (or newspaper), which I think is based in Nebraska. But at renewal time, the transaction is from someplace in Florida.

Weird......


It has to do with who is the publishing company for the magazine. If the publisher is located in Colorado, Nebraska, Florida or where ever, that is where you send the subscription fees too. Very few magazines can afford to publish a magazine for themselves so they have a company do it for them.

To fellow Brits

If you disagree with the proposed road mileage tax sign this (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/)petition. I just did, I don't know if it will make a difference but it has got a lot of coverage on the TV etc in the past week or so.

:agent:

I think the denizens of Hollyweird should keep their political opinions to themselves. Not that I'm saying they shouldn't have political opinions - I just don't think they should express them in public because let's face it, celebrities get much more attention from the news media than ordinary people and therefore, celebrity's political opinions are gonna be widely broadcast to the world and will sway the opinions of people unable, or unwilling, to think for themselves. People like us will never get that much attention and can therefore not have as much influence on public opinion.

That's what I liked about Gregory Peck and Burt Lancaster. They were notoriously liberal (as is Paul Newman) but you'd never know it from watching their movies, nor from most of their public pronouncements. My ideology is 180 degrees from theirs, yet they were (and in Newman's case, are) three of my favorite actors. Yet jerks like Fonda, Streisand and Penn are constantly broadcasting their political opinions and trying to influence other people to their points of view.

It brought down up their email system for awhile Robbie

I am saving my water rates bill envelope for a special occasion. Confirm all your details and pay a stamp to post a piece of crap that originated from them back to them. If they dont know who I am that is their problem.





Mike

I think you might enjoy this video clip (http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2845945) (there's a very short advertisement in the beginning).

Chester :newyear:

Good man, and I hope he rallies even more support,
for his most worthy cause!

Good to see someone out doing it.

Chester :newyear:

Good to see someone out doing it.

Chester :newyear:

Amen....should be required viewing by those jerks in Congress.

Amen....should be required viewing by those jerks in Congress.
That'll be the Day. :ohmy: Personally, I'd like to see them required to be paying into Socal Security like the rest of us, instead of that fancy pension system they have.

Chester :newyear:

Its good that somebody thinks of the troops as they return home.

At least Bush meets the familys more than can be said of Blair


Mike

Never a true word said, Mike,
moreover, where are Elizabeth, Philip, Charles
and the rest of them!!
Don't see them waiting at the airports either!

where are Elizabeth, Philip, Charles
and the rest of them!!
Don't see them waiting at the airports either!

I imagine they soon will be. I read where Prince Harry is heading for the desert around Basra.

Believe that when I see it Jim.

Yes, Keith they will proberably turn up 50 years later.

If men and women of our armed forces are prepared to lay down their lives they should be treated with respect with decent salaries pensions and housinig but Labour would rather spend the money or crap are some left wing commie project.

This is the side Americans dont see of Blair The Hollow Man

Mike

If men and women of our armed forces are prepared to lay down their lives they should be treated with respect with decent salaries pensions and housinig but Labour would rather spend the money or crap are some left wing commie project.

Mike, Mike, Mike.....surely you're familiar with this. (http://www.web-books.com/classics/poetry/anthology/Kipling/Tommy.htm)

It's as true today as it was when he wrote it.

I think you might enjoy this video clip (http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2845945) (there's a very short advertisement in the beginning).

Chester :newyear:

It does not work on the library computers. Can you please tell me a bit of what that clip is about? Arg, I hate not being able to afford a computer of my own.

Prince Philip was in Iraq quite recently visiting British troops. I don't think most reasonale people would expect the queen to visit Iraq due not only to her age but to he status.

:agent:

It does not work on the library computers. Can you please tell me a bit of what that clip is about? Arg, I hate not being able to afford a computer of my own.
The clip is an ABC News report on their Person of the Week, about a man (Bert Brady) who has made it a point to go to the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport to greet returning soldiers. He is 69 years old, and has encouraged others to do the same thing, make soldiers feel appreciated and proud of their service to their country. There are many Korean war and Vietnam war veterans who welcome these soldiers home, as well as others from the community.

A very emotional clip. I am so sorry you are unable to view it.


Mrs. C :angel1:

Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness Stumpy.

You dont seem to annoy anybody!!

Mike

Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness Stumpy.

You dont seem to annoy anybody!!

Mike

Oh, I annoy certain people alright, Mike. They just convey their annoyance by PMs. :wink_smile:

Really! I dont know how. LOL

Mike

Oh Happy Day.......I may have found a no-holds-barred forum where political junkies like me can say their piece with little fear of being banned. Come on down, (http://www.politicalhotwire.com/) y'all. :yeaahh:

Sorry Stumpy, this thread is about all the energy I have left for politics anymore..:ohwell:

Chester :newyear:

"We have a saying in the states, Rob...."I didn't leave the party; the party left me". That's how I feel about the Republicans. I no longer consider myself a Republican. I'm a conservative and IMO, the Republicans no longer represent conservative values."

That's my attitude too Jim. The 2 parties in this country are now just 2 sides of the same coin.

Well said, if someone could galvanize all the folks that feel like us, that would be a force to be reckoned with. With the media controlled as it is, probably won't be happening soon.

Chester :newyear:

Sorry Stumpy, this thread is about all the energy I have left for politics anymore..:ohwell:

Chester :newyear:

Ah but Jim, politics is without a doubt the most fascinating yet infuriating topic in the world. Differences of political opinion are what make the world go 'round, I think. :mobile:

The clip is an ABC News report on their Person of the Week, about a man (Bert Brady) who has made it a point to go to the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport to greet returning soldiers. He is 69 years old, and has encouraged others to do the same thing, make soldiers feel appreciated and proud of their service to their country. There are many Korean war and Vietnam war veterans who welcome these soldiers home, as well as others from the community.

A very emotional clip. I am so sorry you are unable to view it.


Mrs. C :angel1:

Thank you Mrs C. I greatly appreciate this. :-D

"We have a saying in the states, Rob...."I didn't leave the party; the party left me". That's how I feel about the Republicans. I no longer consider myself a Republican. I'm a conservative and IMO, the Republicans no longer represent conservative values."

That's my attitude too Jim. The 2 parties in this country are now just 2 sides of the same coin.
I feel EXACTLY the same way as you do. No truer words could have been said.

Sorry Stumpy, this thread is about all the energy I have left for politics anymore..:ohwell:

Chester :newyear:

Be glad you didn't follow advice and go to that link I posted, Jim. Talk about a hotbed of far-leftism. I think about 99% of 'em are related to Pelosi and Murtha. When I saw how outnumbered I was, I decided to hang it up.

Be glad you didn't follow advice and go to that link I posted, Jim. Talk about a hotbed of far-leftism. I think about 99% of 'em are related to Pelosi and Murtha. When I saw how outnumbered I was, I decided to hang it up.

Unfortunately Stumpy you are right. All we can do is hope and pray that Billary or Obama don't get in. That would be a sad day in American politics if one os those 2 people got into the presidency.

Unfortunately Stumpy you are right. All we can do is hope and pray that Billary or Obama don't get in. That would be a sad day in American politics if one os those 2 people got into the presidency.

Kinda scary to discover that people that consumed with hatred for Bush and this country exist. I am far less enamored of Georgie now than I was 5 or 6 years ago but I cannot believe the depth of hatred for him that was shown on that board. God help us if, like you say, people like that assume the powers of governance.

. God help us if, like you say, people like that assume the powers of governance.

That brings us to what the second amendment is all about.:glare:

Chester :newyear:

Check this out -

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That brings us to what the second amendment is all about.:glare:

Chester :newyear:

I thought all those anti-gun nuts you have out there had disarmed you folks. In other words, ignored the Second Amendment.

If necessary, you don't ignore it, you utilize it, as our founders intended.

Chester :newyear:

And Stumpy, you do remember how our Founders came up with that concept, don't you? :wink_smile:

Chester :newyear:

And Stumpy, you do remember how our Founders came up with that concept, don't you? :wink_smile:

Chester :newyear:

Oh very definitely - it was intended to prevent this country ever having another tyrannical government by having an armed citizenry to prevent it.

What's even scarier, is that I heard on a news program I think on Fox, that mentioned that the he-devil clinton, was tossing the idea around at running again. If that happens, THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD; as well as whats left of our country. >:-((

the he-devil clinton, -((

Are you talking about the he-devil, or the she-devil ? :uhoh:

Chester :newyear:

Are you talking about the he-devil, or the she-devil ? :uhoh:

Chester :newyear:

There's been some talk about appointing the he-devil to the she-devil's Senate seat should she win the presidency.

If this works like I expect it to, when you click on the link, you should get a pop-up dialog box asking if you want to save (or open) the file, which is a Power Point presentation. I think you'll get a good laugh from it.

http://files.meetup.com/255107/Digital Editing.pps (http://files.meetup.com/255107/Digital%20Editing.pps)

Hope it works!!

Chester :newyear:

If this works like I expect it to, when you click on the link, you should get a pop-up dialog box asking if you want to save (or open) the file, which is a Power Point presentation. I think you'll get a good laugh from it.

http://files.meetup.com/255107/Digital Editing.pps (http://files.meetup.com/255107/Digital%20Editing.pps)

Hope it works!!

Chester :newyear:

I had that one sent to me, very funny!!!

Are you talking about the he-devil, or the she-devil ? :uhoh:

Chester :newyear:

Hi Jim, most definately the he-devil. From what I understand, it has something to do with the she-devil losing popularite with the extreme left. I guess they could her flip-flopping too much on too many things.

My roommate said that he is going to move to Rumania if billery gets elected. If that happens, it might drive me to do lotsa :martini_shaken: and I don't mean in a partying way. As I don't drink spirits but, having mrs twiggy in charge WILL drive me to more than sipping the grape. :uhoh:

Hi Jim, most definately the he-devil. From what I understand, it has something to do with the she-devil losing popularite with the extreme left. I guess they could her flip-flopping too much on too many things.

My roommate said that he is going to move to Rumania if billery gets elected. If that happens, it might drive me to do lotsa :martini_shaken: and I don't mean in a partying way. As I don't drink spirits but, having mrs twiggy in charge WILL drive me to more than sipping the grape. :uhoh:


I am with you Ringo!! It will be one long hangover for those 4 years if she gets in!!!!

:beer: :headbonk:

To Our Friends Across The Water:

Here's (http://www.washingtontimes.com/culture/20070221-102337-8638r.htm) a news article that perfectly illustrates the difference between the European way of thinking and that in the U.S.

Please note the bit about few accidental shootings, etc.

Guns aren't evil - it's the people who use them in evil ways.

Jim,

Don't the Swiss have a similar law? I agree with your general premise though and I think most Americans are starting to tend toward that Euro view unfortunately.

On a similar note, I read a news story today about a guy who got himself arrested because he overheard what he thought were a woman's cries for help coming from an overhead apartment in the building where he lived. He grabbed a cavalry sword that was a family heirloom and busted through the neighbors door only to find out the sounds were coming from a porn DVD the guy was watching.

The cops arrested the poor guy and confiscated his sword. He could get up to 9 years. The guy thought he was saving someone's life and now he's lost his family heirloom and faces years behind bars because some perv has a penchant for violent porn played loud enough the neighbors can hear it.

Talk about a jacked up world. :mad:

Talk about a jacked up world. :mad:

You got that right.

There used to be a song with either the title or a lyric that said "It's Not The World I Used To Know" and that's exactly the way I feel. Glad I don't have that many more years to endure this crap.

Hi Tbone

I have to admit I would have loved to seen the expression of the guy watching porn as his cavalry sword saviour was coming through the door.


Mike

Yeah, I could imagine that JW would have pulled the same thing if he'd been in that situation. I know for myself, I'd at least been pounding on the door to find out what was happening.

I am with you Ringo!! It will be one long hangover for those 4 years if she gets in!!!!

:beer: :headbonk:

Hi Todd, if she gets in (Heaven forbid) lets get together and I will buy you a few kegs. :beer: I think it will take quite a lot of drinking to be able to completely shut her out of my mind.

Jim,

Don't the Swiss have a similar law? I agree with your general premise though and I think most Americans are starting to tend toward that Euro view unfortunately.

On a similar note, I read a news story today about a guy who got himself arrested because he overheard what he thought were a woman's cries for help coming from an overhead apartment in the building where he lived. He grabbed a cavalry sword that was a family heirloom and busted through the neighbors door only to find out the sounds were coming from a porn DVD the guy was watching.

The cops arrested the poor guy and confiscated his sword. He could get up to 9 years. The guy thought he was saving someone's life and now he's lost his family heirloom and faces years behind bars because some perv has a penchant for violent porn played loud enough the neighbors can hear it.

Talk about a jacked up world. :mad:


On that Swiss law, yes, they have to own a rifle and also have to maintain being a good shot with their rifle. I have a good friend who lives in Rickenbach, Switzerland, who used to be in the Swiss Army. He now is in the Swiss reserves and still has his military issued and modern German made sniper rifle-which is kept at home instead of in some darn armory. I have a German Mauser sniper rifle of my own only mine was made in 1936 - which is the first year that S-42 K-98's were made. Mine also has a fixed 25 round Ansteckmagazine in it.

I have a German Mauser sniper rifle of my own only mine was made in 1936 - which is the first year that S-42 K-98's were made. Mine also has a fixed 25 round Ansteckmagazine in it.

Now that sounds like one of those nasty assault rifle to me. :stunned:

Another stupid liberal-dreamed-up-arbitrary classification.

So what caliber is your Mauser? 7 or 8 mm?

FACTS TO PONDER :

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.

Now think about this:

Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000
(Yes, that's 80 million..)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is1,500. (Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI

So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention

Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention

I truly believe that lawyers are directly or indirectly responsible for most of the world's problems. Generally speaking, lawyers are among my least favorite people.

Chester and Stumpy;

You Both Hit The Nail Right On The Head !!!
Back when I was a Child in the 1930s and did not want to go to School because I did not feel good, Grandmother would Call Old Doc McQuin and He would come by the House to Check on Me, and then come by each day until I went Back to School. You will not Find that Anymore. :uhoh:

Stumpy; You are Correct about Attorneys, they are the Worst and Cause Most of The Problems in Todays World.
:devil:

There Should be a Law on the Books for Doctors and Attorneys that if they cause the Death of Any One Unjustly They Should Be Shot At Dawn, I will Sign up for that Duty !!!
I will Drink To That.:beer:

Bill :hyper:

Funny, how so many lawyers become politicians!!!

Mike

Now that sounds like one of those nasty assault rifle to me. :stunned:

Another stupid liberal-dreamed-up-arbitrary classification.

So what caliber is your Mauser? 7 or 8 mm?

Hi Tbone, heh heh, no nasty assault rifle but a VERY nasty sniper rifle. ;-D

My Mauser fires 8x57. Can't find that ammo anywhere near where I live. Wal-Mart used to sell it but claimed it was not a popular round and quit selling it. Geeze, I know several shooters here who also own (former) German Army Mauser rifles and also love to go shooting. I'd love to take mine out for a "spin." :-D

I used to have quite an arsenal myself including a few of those demon possessed assault rifles. I even had a Chinese Uzi with a 100 rd mag, 50 rd mag and a 30 rd mag. I had the mags taped together so I could imitate Steve McQueen in: Hell is for Heroes. I even had a Hell-Fire trigger system for that Uzi. Some friends and I used to get together and take this baby out. We were shooting onetime when a Deputy Sheriff stopped by and inquired as to why we had an automatic weapon? I simply showed him that is was not a full auto and that it merely had the external trigger system on it. The Deputy told us to be careful and have fun and then left us.

Don't mess with the Ringo Kid!!!:sport_box:

My middle son found this on the internet and shared it with me. Very good, but I wasn't sure whether it should be posted in this thread or "A Friendly Subject".
George Bush at White House Correspondents' Association Dinner (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1921276117304287501&q=george+bush)

I have a politically uncorrect gun. They are awesome!! What I get a kick out of is when you bring it out and people just stare at you like, "What is he going to do with that?"

I have a politically uncorrect gun. They are awesome!! What I get a kick out of is when you bring it out and people just stare at you like, "What is he going to do with that?"

You must have an AR, Todd, which looks like a mean mother but operates the same as any other semi-auto weapon. Of course, the anti-gun nuts and their demogogic allies in Congress, such as Schumer, don't know the difference.

I've got a couple of 'em too.

Don't mess with the Ringo Kid!!!:sport_box:

Shhhh, I don't want anyone knowing that I only have twenty two weapons -- excluding a German Paratroopers Gravity Knife.

Good Lord Ringo, you could start a small war!!!:ohmy:

You must have an AR, Todd, which looks like a mean mother but operates the same as any other semi-auto weapon. Of course, the anti-gun nuts and their demogogic allies in Congress, such as Schumer, don't know the difference.

I've got a couple of 'em too.

You betcha Stumpy.

I have a Bushmaster Varminter AR-15. I have numerous clips for it. Couple 20's, 30's and some 40 round clips. That one makes the eye's bug out of there heads. Then I have a scope and a bipod on it so it really looks like a sniper rifle!! I love that thing!!

That gun is one that they will have to "pull from my cold, dead fingers" to get it from me!!

Meanwhile in UK we have ex policeman arrested and taken to court for having a Swiss Army knife in his hand luggage because his main luggage was too heavy.

Meanwhile in UK we have ex policeman arrested and taken to court for having a Swiss Army knife in his hand luggage because his main luggage was too heavy.

Don't get me started on this world wide ploy to get rid of guns. The people behind this want people to think that it is just to get the "assault rifle" types out of people's hands. But they actually want to get rid of all guns. I know alot of people have a negative view on the NRA but this one item that they fight for should be more then enough reason to support them.

I don't got but one gun and they will pry it from my cold dead hands!:uhuh:

An old gold prospector up in the Sierra Nevada Mountains once told me,

"There's three things you don't share with folks, Your Gold, Your Guns, or Your Gal"

Kind of makes sense. . . .

Chester :newyear:.

Good Lord Ringo, you could start a small war!!!:ohmy:

Just kidding about all the guns I allegedly have ;-D That number has dropped for a few reasons. I sold a few to some Policemen I knew in Kingsville Texas, some years ago. I traded a few away for various things. And I gave one away to each Nephew I have. My number had drastically dropped but, I no longer have just quantity but, I have quality weapons. My next one is going to be a WWII Colt .45. Love those .45's.

Have and used to have:

Early Chinese made Uzi.
Early Chinese made SKS Carbine--which befor ethat stupid law happened, I had it converted into an assault rifle with 30 rd detachable mags and also added a bi-pod to it. This rifle was a piece of garbage though--as I later found out.
Original and never issued and very beautiful and qulity made: Russian SKS rifle made in 1953.
I ever-so-briefly-owned Lt. Gen. Francis P. Hardaway's Remington Colt 45. This beauty only showed ever so slight holster wear. You can look up this General/Gent, as he was an Artillery General serving under MacArthur.
I once also had one of those (and wrongfully named) Black Widow Lugars.
I had 5 Walther P-38s. Traded away two, sold one, one was stolen and still have the other.
1941 made Mauser 98 K. Gave it to a WWII German veteran I knew.
Walther PP, made in 1939--traded it away.
Walther PPK, traded it away.
Intratec DC-9. Sold.
M-1 Garand--traded away.
1913 Karl Gufstadt Swedish Mauser--fires 6.5 x 55. This was one hell of a beautiful Mauser. This is one of the three I gave to my Nephews.
M-100 Carbind .22 cal rifle. I bought this one because it looked like a Star Wars lazer rifle. Gave this one away as well.
S-42 K-98 Mauser Sniper varient. (still have) This is one of those prototype Mausers and has a fixed 25 round ansteckmagazin.
1898 Krag Carbine. (Still have)
.22 cal remington rifle. (Stolen from our house about 15 years ago and never recovered.) My stolen P-38 has never been recovered either and im positive that it now resides in someones collection.
I briefly owned 20 Mosin Nagants. I bought a bunch from a place that had thousands in stock and I cleaned them up and made sure they worked and then I placed them all up for sale to hunters. Needless to say, I sold every one within about 2 days of that ad in the Kingsville Record newspaper.
And last but not least, I used to have two Lithgow-Lee Enfield Rifles. Traded these away for some militaria. (I got the better deal even though Lithgows are some of the more rarer Lee-Enfields)

When I lived in K-ville, many officers from the police and sheriffs departments all used to come by my place to look at and buy some of my guns. I also used to look for a particular gun that someone wanted. Needless to say, I was never harassed by anyone when I used to ride around town with my M-1 Garand or a Mauser strapped to my back. Now if I tried that ina bigger city, the swat team would be called out. :ohwell: Go figure!

diane feinstein (SP?) is so much against guns but, did you know that she has a concealed handgun she carries? If not, just thought i'd let you know.

diane feinstein (SP?) is so much against guns but, did you know that she has a concealed handgun she carries? If not, just thought i'd let you know.


All politicians are hypocrites!!!

Hypocrite is a bit mild I could think of a few more choice words:yeaahh:

Funny how you never see a poor politican.

Hypocrite is a bit mild I could think of a few more choice words

Me too, but they'd ban me from further participation. :embaressed_smile:

Funny how you never see a poor politican.

Contradiction in terms like Central Intelligence Agency:laugh: !
Cheers - Jay:beer:

Yes, bring back old Hoover. He might have worn a dress in private but he kept tabs on all the unsavouries most of whom lived on Capital Hill.


Mike

he kept tabs on all the unsavouries most of whom lived on Capital Hill.

They still do, Mike.

I've read several news stories about the felonies committed by current members of Congress. Yet the doofus voters keep returning the sorry SOBs to office.

I keep thinking of that comedy with Eddie Murphy and James Garner "Distinquished Gentleman" about Murphy running as a Congressman.

Worth watching one of Murphy's better and funny movies.


Mike

All politicians are hypocrites!!!

Moderators, please delete this post. Im using library computers and the system keeps going down and I cannot delete this posting.

Cheers--Me.

All politicians are hypocrites!!!

Hi Todd, its a VERY rare time when I do not fully agree with you on everything and in fact, I have only disagreed with you one thing (I shant mention Kevin Costners name) and I definately agree with you 100% on this one ;-D

All politicians are hypocrites!!!

And until we live in a country where you can actually speak your views and stand by them without being labeled "closed minded" and the ever reliable "out of touch", the politicians have no choice but to flip-flop to remain elected. As long as we have a media that spoon feeds the bull%)&* that passes as news and the average voter knows more than the damn sound byte from the previous nights newscast then you can bet that all politicians will be stuck in the ebb and flow of American ignorance.
Bo
And to add to this, the American voter is as much as an hypocrite. We hold candidates from opposing parties and view points to a much tougher standard than the ones that follow our own party lines. Where the hell is the real men in this world???

Hi Todd, its a VERY rare time when I do not fully agree with you on everything and in fact, I have only disagreed with you one thing (I shant mention Kevin Costners name) and I definately agree with you 100% on this one ;-D


Ringo, we are all different and cannot agree on everything(even if you are wrong about Kevin!!!:sport_box: :laugh: ) that's what makes life the journey that it is!!!

Ringo, we are all different and cannot agree on everything(even if you are wrong about Kevin!!!:sport_box: :laugh: ) that's what makes life the journey that it is!!!

Hi Todd, Did I mention Costner's name? -- Just kidding. Actually, to give him a bit of credit, I did like him in: "The Untouchables." I guess what I can't really stand about him is that he reminds me too much of Francis Ford Coppola's Nephew (I can never think of his name.)