Music has a way of touching our emotions when we watch a moive. Some great composers have really made that special touch in Duke's movies. Victor Young has composed (8) eight movies, Roy Webb has (7) seven. Max Steiner did (3) three, Emil Newman did (3) three, Dimitri Tiomkin composed (6) six, just to name a few.

:rolleyes:

I have a collection of music from Elmer Bernstien (composed 8) that has quite a selection from movies Duke starred in. I really liked the music from The Commancheros. The Sons from Katie Elder is also a good one. Maybe there is one that stands out to you.

;)

I have to say that Hondo from Emil Newman gives me the chills, everytime I hear that theme music.

:P

What is your favorite theme music? You might have to pull out those videos to watch and listen before responding.

Cheers, Hondo B)

I would have to pick the Quiet Man. I listened to that soundtrack often and love it. I think that Victor Young did a superb job on this one.

I love the music in The Searchers, Rio Grande, and Rio Bravo.

GSP

comancheros, sons of katie elder,the alamo,reap the wild wind and the searchers.

Chisum, The Searchers, The Alamo, and the Quiet Man


Monique

My favorite is " The Searchers ", but a very close runnerup is from " The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance ". With some others being "Rio Bravo", "Red River".

Ethan

I'd have to to with The Quiet Man. I too have the soundtrack and like it very much.

The "Quiet Man" has my vote. I also have always enjoyed "North to Alaska" by Johhy Horton. I am soon going to get the music from "The Alamo".

I like the music in True Grit, The Searchers, The Quiet Man and The Sons of Katie Elder.

I think the scences at the beginning and end of the Searchers where there is no dialogue just music and the song of the Searchers playing is excellent.

The music at the start of the Sons Of Katie Elder is brilliant because its Dukes comeback movie and the music alerts you to the fact that your going to see something specail.

In the Comancheroes when Duke is out in the wide open country rideing and the music is playing it is just so traditional and exactly what you want to see .....and hear. ;)

Music in "The Quiet Man" is used extensively and always to great effect you only have to watch the movie to understand.

One negative factor regarding music is that there are far too many songs in films like Rio Grande and it dilutes the story a little, although I am sure I am going to get some heavy critism for that statement. :huh:

B)

robbie,

well for once i have to agree with you about the music in some of the movies is to much and takes away from the movie but we should thank our lucky stars jw didn't make a movie like seven brides for seven brothers with all that music. yuk
i have found also that some times the music becomes so loud that you can't hear the dialog from the actors has that happened to anyone elses movies?

cheers smokey

I really like the music from theCommancheros

Hi again,
It's funny being a John Wayne fan. The reason I'm saying this is because my favorite John Wayne movie of all time is Chisum. So when asked my favorite Theme it is easy, The one from Chisum. :D
But right now I'm watching Hatari! on TV as I'm typing this. The Henri Mancini songs carry the movie so well. :lol:
Like watching The Quiet Man and the way the theme goes through the whole movie. :P
So I guess the proper reply to my favorite John Wayne movie or music theme would be "The one I'm watching now" because it changes from movie to movie ;)

Monique ;)

hi all,
I really like chisum, The Sons of Katie Elder, How The west was won and The Horse soldiers and also The Comancheros.

Mrs. Chester here, enjoying the "lazy" days of summer! Not so lazy, really, but when you home school your kids, summer is when you can call mornings your own. Come September, we will be knee deep in lessons by this time of day.

But for now . . .

I really like the music from The Sons of Katie Elder, and find the song near the end of The Alamo simply haunting. Music from The Searchers is very moving as well. It is interesting to me, the different emotions the music can evoke.

Mrs. Chester

Elmere Bernstien did so many great compositions for so many movies. I really am moved to the movie To Kill A Monkingbird. When I hear Bernstein's music in Duke's movies, I listen with great enjoyment. The Comancheros, True Grit, The Sons of Katie Elder, just to name a few of his compositions.

I like Victor Young also. He did the music for The Quiet Man.

You new ones, tell us some of your favorite movie music.

Cheers, Hondo B)

All of these are great. But one of my favorites not listed so far is the tune for The Cowboys. I find myself whistleing it to myself sometimes. dukefan1

Dukefan1,

Do you know who the composer was for that movie. I will have to go and see the movie. For the life of me, I can't remember the music of that movie

Cheers, Hondo B)

Hondo :rolleyes:
I just looked it up on the IMDB and their is no listing for the composer :angry:

Monique ;)

Having recently had the privilege of being able to watch The High and the Mighty, I realized that a tune I have loved for years is from that movie. The theme music, which John whistles, is beautiful. Somebody posted, in another thread, that JW liked to whistle that tune when he flew, until there was some problem on a flight he was on; he didn't do it after that.

Mrs. Chester :rolleyes:

Hondo, I just checked my copy of The films Of John Wayne by Mark Ricci, Boris and Steve Zmijewsky and it credits John Williams for the music. I don't have the soundtrack so I can't check that. Hope this helps. dukefan1

Duke fan your right it was John Williams who composed the music for "The Cowboys" he became more famous for composing the great soundtrack for the original three star wars movies.

B)

John Williams did a lot of great music before he became world known from the scores of Star Wars. I didn't know how much he did for so many movies.

Are there other musical introductions in any Duke movie you liked?

Cheers, Hondo B)

I don't really know which movie has my favorite music. I do love the love theme from The Quiet Man, of course - the "Isle of Inisfree." Very, very pretty.

I also really like the theme from The High and the Mighty. I've never seen the film, but it's one my dad's told me about before. He hasn't seen it since he was a kid and he wishes they would show it again on TV or release it for home video. I understand that it's tied up in legal battles and the like but maybe someday.

Anyway, does Duke actually do the whistling? That's some mighty pretty whistling!

Jen,

Duke could not whistle, so someone did the whistling for Duke in The High & The Mighty. When you get to see the movie, you will see a silhouette of Duke almost everytime he whistles that tune.

Hope that answers your questions.

Cheers, Hondo B)

Mrs. Chester wants to know . . .

Who does whistle for JW in that movie? Whoever it is does a great job! Reminiscent of my father whistling when I was a kid.

I know that Marni Nixon does the singing for Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady, for Deborah Kerr in An Affair to Remember and The King and I, and Natalie Wood in West Side Story. She was UNcredited in all those movies. I realize those singing roles were much larger than the whistling part in The High and the Mighty, but it would be an interesting piece of trivia to know.

( . . . some time passes . . . )

OK, I checked IMDb, and will now answer my own question -

Muzzy Marcellino dubbed the whistling for John Wayne! :rolleyes:

So now we ALL know!

Mrs. Chester

Mrs. Chester,

Thank you for the information. I'm sure someone would ask, and I would have looked it up. I didn't know who it was, but you found out for me.

OK, I checked IMDb, and will now answer my own question -

Muzzy Marcellino dubbed the whistling for John Wayne!*

So now we ALL know!


Thanks a million folks

Cheers, Hondo B)

Well, thanks everyone. I've heard Duke singing enough in movies to get the impression that carrying a tune wasn't one of his strengths. ;) And the whistling in that song was at least as good as anything I've ever heard even Bing Crosby do, so...

Max Steiner composed the music for The Searchers. What a great musical score for that movie. I watched it the other day, and really enjoyed it very much. It was very appropriate, and made the mood for the movie great. I found out he composed the music for Operation Pacific and Trouble Along The Way, which I enjoyed as well. Any others that touched you in Duke movies?

Cheers Hondo B)

Hi

We have had a list of the definitive list of John Waynes Books, which I for one and I think alot of other people found useful and informative.

In another post the question was raised abouth the theme music for the Quiet Man.

I got to thinking how many other Cd containing Theme music from John Wayne films are in existence.

If I can start this topic off with the titles in my collection and if everyone else can fill in it migt also be useful.

So here goes

THE QUIET MAN - SFC 1501 The Dublin Screen Orchestra conducted by Kenneth
Alwyn.

AMERICA WHY I LOVE HER - Big John Records
(Also on 33rp Long Playing Record)

JOHN WAYNE - THE COMANCHEROS & TRUE GRIT - VCD 47236 The Utah Symphony Orchestra conducted by Elmer Bernstein

JOHN WAYNE - Volume Two THE SHOOTIST/ BIG JAKE/CAHILL U.S.MARSHALL VCD47264
The Utah Symphony Orchestra conducted by Elmer Bernstein

THE SEARCHERS - Conducted by Max Steiner with The sons of the Pioneers
Published by Warner Music FMA/MS 101 Manufactured by Screen
Archives Entertainment.

RIO BRAVO & OTHER MOVIE AND TV WESTERN THEMES - BCD 16328 AR
Bear Family Records PO BOX 1154 D-27727 HAMBERGEN GERMANY

THE COWBOYS - Conducted by John Williams
Varese Sarabande VSD 5540

THE HORSE SOLDIERS/DUEL AT DIABLO Best - Nr 9105W

TRUE GRIT - Music from the classic films of John Wayne - Silver Screen FilmCD153
The City of Prague Philharmonic

THE UNDEFEATED - FSM Silver Age Classics Limited to 3000 copies

EL DORADO/CUSTER OF THE WEST - Comanche 395/66.65

RIO GRANDE Original Motion Picture Soundtrack - Conducted by Victor Young
Varese Sarabande VSD-5378

RED RIVER - Moscow Symphony Orchestra and Choir
Marco Polo

RIO LOBO - Ptrometheus Record Limited Edition of 3000

In addition I have seen advertisments for-

THE ALAMO on CD and Long playing Record
CAST A GIANT SHADOW
THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER
THE BARBARIAN AND THE GEISHA
McQ - Issued November 2003
BRANNIGAN issued November 2003

Hi It's me again

A couple I forgot to mention


HATARI - Henry Mancini RCA Records BMG Music Spain 74321611222

MY RIFLE MY PONY AND ME - Music and TV Soundtracks
Bear Family Records
Includes
My Rifle My Pony and Me - Dean Martin Ricky Nelson
Ballad of the Alamo - Marty Robbins
The Searchers - Sons of the Pioneers
The Sons of Katie Elder -Johnny Cash
Rio Bravo - Dean Martin
North to Alask - Johnny Horton

WILD WILD WEST - Great Western Film Themes 3CD's Boxed
Includes:-
How The West Was Won (main theme)
The Comancheros (main theme)
Ballad of the Alamo (main theme)
Green Leaves of summer (main theme)
Tru Grit (main theme
Rio Bravo (main theme)

THE WILD BUNCH BEST OF THE WEST * (Highly Recomended if you are a western
fan)
The CZECH Symphony Orchestra Silva Screen FilmCD 136
Includes :-
The Sons of Katie Elder - main theme
Rio Lobo - main theme
The Alamo - overture

WAND'RIN' STAR - Bear family records
Includes:
Ricky Nelson & Walter Brennan - get along home Cindy
Gene Pitney - The Man Who shot Liberty Valance
Claude King - The Comancheros

In my first post I mentioned the CD Rio Bravo
I forgot to mention the music on it, it includes:-

My Rifle my Pony and Me - Dean Martin (studio version)
De Geullo - Nelson Riddle Orchestra
Tennessee Babe - Frankie Avalon*
Green Leaves of Summer - Frankie Avalon*
Here's to the Ladies - Frankie Avalon
The Ballad of the Alamo - Frankie Avalon*
The Ballad of the War Wagon - Ed Ames

* In the Frankie Avalon songs he sings them like he has a bus to catch and in the Ballad of the Alamo includes parts of the song that I think he made up himself, at least I've never heard them in any other of the ballads.

Thanks Arthur, I just went to amazon and found the cd My Rifle, My Pony, and Me and bought it. I was always wondering if somebody had made a compliation of songs like this. Thanks.

I have Great Composers Elmer Bernstein CD 302 066 077 2

Titles
1. The Magnificent Seven
2. The Shootist
3. The Comancheros
4. True Grit
5. Wild Wild West
6. To Kill A Mockingbird
7. My Left Foot
8. Frankie Starlight
9. The Age Of Innocence
10. Lost In Yonkers
11. A Rage In Harlem
12. The Grifters
13. The Black Cauldron
14. The Great Escape
15. Buddy
16. The Ten Commandments

In the John Wayne musical pieces these themes are from a title CD The Films of John Wayne, but I haven't been able to find anything on that in any catalogs. This is from the Utah Symphony Orchestra.

Great Music from a great composer.

You might go to composers of Duke movies, and find a greatest hits to get John Wayne compliation of songs or from studios. I've been looking myself for several years, but not lately.

Cheers, Hondo

In addition there are these CDs:

Bear Family Records also produced FROM ALAMO TO EL DORADO
includes many originally recorded songs, even including the Spanish version of Glen Gampell singing True Grit

The most recent release would probably be THE GREEN BERETS, by Silver Age Classics, very good recording, includes the original recording of the title song

THE COMANCHEROS, limited edition of 3000, with the full soundtrack, by SILVER SAGE CLASSICS

HOW THE WEST WAS WON, the full recording including the songs, CBS

The new recording of THE ALAMO, by Columbia, the first full recording, uses the film soundtrack for "lost" pieces, so there is also dialogue on it. Includes many previously unreleased tracks from the Director's Cut.

THE WESTERN FILM WORLD OF DIMITRI TIOMKIN, selected recordings from High Noon, Giant, Red River, Duel in the Sun, Night Passage, and Rio Bravo (the main theme - without singing, and the Love-theme which aren't recorded anywhere else, I guess), by Unicorn-Kanchana

THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY, complete recording, rare, this was not for public sale, promotional copy by GEMA, but sometimes, in a store with good selection

AND ON THE LP (you just can't kill those things)

CIRCUS WORLD, has rare artwork on cover, without Wayne

for THE ALAMO, there were 3 LPs. Next to the usual one with Tiomkin's recording, there was "REMEMBER THE ALAMO", by Terry Gilkyson and the Easy Riders - has a couple of tracks which aren't on the Tiomkin-recording. THE ALAMO, by Tex Beneke. These two are valuable. Then there are the singles sung by Avalon.

STAGECOACH, two record Set, has the full soundtrack with dialogue.

The original soundtrack of TRUE GRIT, with Glen Campbell's vocals, is, interesting enough, conducted by Bernstein, but it sounds like a modernized version of his own composing, Sixties-Style.

RIO GRANDE, the full soundtrack

FROM ITALY:
MUSICHE DA CELEBRI FILM DI JOHN WAYNE, very nice recording with great cover

FROM GERMANY
ERINNERUNGEN AN JOHN WAYNE

101 STRINGS PRESENTS A TRIBUTE TO JOHN WAYNE
concentrates on the folk songs, like Red River Valley, Streets of Laredo and so on

ISLAND IN THE SKY - the original soundtrack would be very valuable. The was a re-release with Island on A-side and The Song of Bernadette on the other. The thing that makes this recording a must for Wayne-fans: He tells the whole film over the music.

THE UNDEFEATED (on B-side is How the West Was Won)

EL DORADO the full recording, arranged by Nelson Riddle, valuable

THE HORSE SOLDIERS, rare. The companion-piece-LP CONSTANCE TOWERS SINGS TO THE HORSE SOLDIERS is even harder to get.

SANDS OF IWO JIMA, together with John Ford's THE SUN SHINES BRIGHT

JOHN WAYNE STARRING IN STAGECOACH is the recording of Wayne appearing on the radio version. The B-Side has Randolph Scott in his radio version of Stagecoach (also with Claire Trevor!). Interesting to compare.

THE LONGEST DAY, selected soundbites of music and dialogue (Japan Import)
I've never seen an original soundtrack of that film, just a single, with Mitch Millers conducting of the March and Song of the film's end
CAST A GIANT SHADOW, the full recording, conducted by Bernstein

THE MUSIC OF REPUBLIC has Wayne on cover and selected soundtracks of B-westerns on it, like The Three Mesquiteers Suite

THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD, full recording

Now that they put AMERICA WHY I LOVE HER on CD, prices have come down for the LP. Mint condition always sold for over 100$. These were so hard to get!

Hope they release a full recording of Rio Bravo pretty soon!

HI iTDO

Some of those on your list make my mouth water I have the long playing record of America Why I Love Her and also the Alamo.

I thought my collection was good but some you mention are superb.

How much is the America:Why I Love Her, LP now? I have a copy, it may not be in mint condition, I listened to it too death, and love it very much, I do have a copy and have one on CD.

Cheers, Hondo B)

Hondo,

That's a good question. I've wondered if the value of the older LPs has gone down with the availability and much better quality of CDs. Nowadays, if you can even find a turntable, or someone to repair one, you're fortunate.

Any of you younger folks out there wondering what we're talking about? :D It's stuff from "back in the olden days."

Chester :newyear: and the Mrs. :angel1:

hey chester we're not all dinosaurs ;) some of us have even still been able to buy turntables as little as 5 yrs ago so there still out there you just have to know where to look


cheers smokey :rolleyes: :cowboy:

About that 4 disc set of "ALAMO: DIMITRI TIOMKIN: The Essential Film Music Collection" we talked about earlier:

The one thing you cannot find on any other disc or LP, to my knowledge, is the first-time recording of the most stirring numbers of THE WAR WAGON.

While these 4 CDs are really packed with the best Tiomkin has to offer in any genre, The War Wagon is really the only track that's entirely new. Naming the set THE ALAMO isn't quite right because it offers no track that you haven't heard previously on Alamo LPs.

Yet if you're not familiar with Tiomkin and don't have most of his music already, this is a compilation you should get.

Listen to samples here:
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Hi all,
Does a Chisum soundtrack exist?
I'm looking for the chorus lyrics of "John Chisum Ballad". Has someone got them?
kalmouk, from France

Hi Kalmouk

There is a chisum sound track which I 'aqquired' unfortunately I don't where it originally came from, equally unfortunately it contains every piece of music from the film except the opening vocal chorus.

Regards


Arthur

The "Resurrectionist" lurks again!

Among my favorite scores for John Wayne movies - "The Alamo" and "The Sons of Katie Elder." Favorite title songs go to "El Dorado" and "The War Wagon."

Jay

As far as title music is concerned, I always have El Dorado playing in my head for a couple of days after watching the film. I also enjoy title music for Rio Lobo.

Over all music, The Alamo is probably my favorite. The Quiet Man is very good as well, hard not to be with all of the Irish music. ;)

Just last night, we watched The Magnificent Seven, and thought the music sounded "familiar" for some reason. The more we listened, we realized it sounded like music from The Sons of Katie Elder, and also we recognized the theme from the old Marlboro cigarette commercials (you know, the song for the Marlboro man), which I believe was later used in the Great Western commercials.

Anyway, in checking on IMDb, we learned that Elmer Bernstein was credited with the original composition of music for that film - and as mentioned above, he did the music for The Sons of Katie Elder and also Big Jake.

I didn't spend a long time checking out the music of Elmer Bernstein, but I suspect he has done many other movies and music which I would recognize.

Chester :newyear:

PS The Mrs. and I are also enjoying the resurrecting of old topics! :D

Hi Chester

Elmer Bernstein also composed

The Shootist,

McQ,

Cahill,

True Grit

The Commancheros
which I particularly like for its stirring start, nostalgic and even poignant middle section climbing to a rousing climax. I think at times the music seems to be fortelling the end of John Waynes career which I suppose is silly as the film was made in the 1960s, or perhaps it puts you in that mood, but I find it a very thought provoking and meloncholy piece.

Cast A Giant Shadow another stirring sound track

Non John Wayne pictures include

The Great Escape

The Scalphunters

The Hallelujah Trail

Gunsmoke

And for me also also a fantastic piece of music

The Ten Commandments

I sometimes wonder especially in view of the last piece if he wrote the music and they put the film to it rather than the other way around, because the two go together perfectly.

I have always enjoyed the opening music of El Dorado.

-ncb

Red River and The Conqueror soundtracks have always been 2 of my favorites, in terms of music running the length of the film.

As for openings, I'll take Sons Of Katie Elder, North To Alaska, El Dorado, The Alamo, and Circus World.

My favorite score in a JW film is the Bernstein theme in "The Sons of Katie Elder". That is music to stir mens' souls. :lol:

After watching the DVD copy of the "High and the Mighty" that I made up off of a not so good VHS Tape, I would go with that Music it is very Stirring!!! Chilibill :cowboy:

Hi

I think the music from the High and the Mighty is in a classs of its own.

But I also agree with most that the Sons of Katie Elder is also very very good.

I have the music from El Dorado on disc, Also the theme music from Chisum
but not the opening song which I also like.

Regards

Arthur

Hi Chester -

Elmer Bernstein also did the music for "True Grit."

Regards -

Jay :)

:cowboy: The JW movie themes that I liked the most and always got my complete attention are:

"The Green Leaves Of Summer" from: The Alamo. It sure is one VERY pretty piece of music.

Next i'd have to say that the theme to The Searchers is my next favorite.

Then the Guitar piece from Rio Lobo.

After this is definately Barry Sadler's The Green Berets in The Green Berets.

Following this the theme music from Fort Apache.

Then the piece from: The Longest Day.

After these i'd have to be a bit more patriotic with the Marine Hymn from Sands of Iwo Jima.

TRK.

Going back to Elmer Bernstein who passed away a couple of months ago, he also did the music for To Kill A Monkingbird, My Left Foot, Wild Wild West, The Gifters & The Black Cauldron. Incidently, To Kill A Monkingbird is my favorite movie and it has a lot to do with the music in that film.

Cheers B)

for the opening music I would say El Dorado and Chisum and favourite themes in movies I think:

Stagecoach, The Alamo, The Comancheros and the music part at the end in True Grit when John Wayne is riding on blackie with Kim Darby that is one of the best music parts I have ever heard.

cya Jwfan

I was forgotten the theme of The Cowboys from John Williams

cya jwfan

My gosh!! I just went over to imdb.com to check out John Williams and found he has been cranking out movie music since the middle 50s. Some of his film scores from the 60s include "The Rare Breed" with Jimmy Stewart and Maureen O'Hara (our favorite feminine co-star for JW), "How To Steal A Million" with Peter O'Toole and Audrey Hepburn and "Penelope" with Natalie Wood. So he already had years of film scoring experience when he did "The Cowboys" and, of course later, the "Star Wars" sagas and beyond.
Cheers - Jay :D

My favorite is from "The Cowboys". When they bring in the horse herd to that music it always gives me chills. I also like all of the music from "The Green Berets".

I'm a film music nut, so I have plenty of Duke movie favorites when it comes to the music scores:

El Dorado- I like the 1960s-sound of the plucked bass guitar while Duke, Mitchum and Cann are patrolling the streets at night. Sounds very "Batman."

The Comancheros- Great main theme which sounds like "Sons of Katie Elder", which sounds like "The Magnificent Seven", which sounds like...

The Shootist- More Bernstein. Sounds poignant and sad, just like Bernstein's "To Kill a Mockingbird"...Love it.

The War Wagon- Probably the catchiest theme song of any Duke movie. Tiomkin was a master melodist.

The Alamo- I still don't like the film, but love the score. Tiomkin strikes again!

The Searchers- Max Steiner. The guy who invented modern film scoring, or at least was one of it's first giants.

Luckily most of the music in Dukes films has been great.
THE SEARCHERS, RED RIVER, THE COMMANCHEROS, THE QUIET MAN RIO LOBO.
THE SHOOTIST.THE WAR WAGON etc
When you look at the illustrious writers that were employed, it's no wonder!
Most of them, remain, the greatest movie music writers, of all time.

Hi

Breaking one of the rules over the use of the definitive works link but......

I have just watched Fort Apache on BBC 2 and as I can't remember where the original Fort Apache thread was I cottoned on to this one. It struck me that the music is quite good and quite varied and includes Around her neck she wore a yelllow ribbon. There is obviously a CD on Rio Grande. I wonder if the sound track of Fort Apache is in being. Does anyone know?


Regards

Arthur

Howdy All,
I was just curious as to which composer of John Wayne film scores do you like the most. I would have to say that my favorites are Elmer Bernstein and Max Steiner. My favorite Bernstein scores are Cahill, and the Comancheros. And my favorite Steiner score is The Searchers. Just thought I'd throw this out.
Colorado Bob

Originally posted by Colorado Bob@Aug 21 2005, 08:20 PM
Howdy All,
I was just curious as to which composer of John Wayne film scores do you like the most. I would have to say that my favorites are Elmer Bernstein and Max Steiner. My favorite Bernstein scores are Cahill, and the Comancheros. And my favorite Steiner score is The Searchers. Just thought I'd throw this out.
Colorado Bob
20686


My favorite is Bernstein and of his compositions, I like "The Sons of Katie Elder" best.

Hi,
Mine are Elmer Bernstein for,

THE COMMANCHEROS
THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER
CAST A GIANT SHADOW
TRUE GRIT
BIG JAKE
CAHILL:U.S.MARSHALL
McQ
THE SHOOTIST

and Dimitri Tiomkin for,

RED RIVER
THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY
RIO BRAVO
THE ALAMO
CIRCUS WORLD
THE WAR WAGON

Let us also not forget, Victor Young,
for amongst his others,
THE QUIET MAN

Keith

I would have to say that without a doubt the theme to the High and the Mighty is the one. Talk about a song that easily recognizable even today many years after the original. The High and the Mighty and John Wayne are synonymous.

I would have to say Dimitri Tiomkin really fits the bill for a Wayne film. Not that the others that made music were not spectacular, but like Chisum said, you can recognize THATM even after all this time and that goes the same for the many other films he did the music for.

Wow..tough question. I have three favorites, and am not sure I could choose the best one.

Dimitri Tiomkin, Elmer Bernstein, and Victor Young.

Hi All -
My choice would be, first and foremost, Dimitri Tiomkin. "The High and the Mighty" with its memorable theme, "The War Wagon" with its title ballad sung by Ed Ames (he of tomahawk notoriety on Johnny Carson's "Tonight Show") and "The Alamo" for exciting music to heighten action and a several ballads to boot, which, if not on the first rung of memorability, still are tuneful.
Elmer Bernstein would be my second choice. He did a number of Duke's films, all very noteworthy.
As I mentioned in another post a few weeks ago, I wish Jerry Goldsmith had the opportunity to do more JW movies than "In Harm's Way" and "Rio Lobo." He was the consummate craftsman and innovator with music.
Cheers - Jay :D

What the heck is wrong with me? I had forgotten all about Dimitri Tiomkin! I must be gettin' old or something!

That sounds like me, Bob. I seem to be the most absent-minded person around these parts at times .... now what board was I posting on :lol: ?
Cheers - Jay :D

Hi,
Whilst on the subject of composers, perhaps it's worth mentioning,
two or three lesser known ones, for example:-

Richard Hageman, for
STAGECOACH
THE LONG VOYAGE HOME
ANGEL AND THE BADMAN
FORT APACHE
3 GODFATHERS
SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON

Emil Newman for,
BIG JIM McLAIN
ISLAND IN THE SKY
HONDO

and I previously mentioned Victor Young, for THE QUIET MAN
but he was also responsible for,
THE DARK COMMAND
THREE FACES WEST
REAP THE WILD WIND
FLYING TIGERS
SANDS OF IWO JIMA
RIO GRANDE
THE CONQUEROR

Oh and by the way, he wrote a little song, young and old might know,

WHEN I FALL IN LOVE

Best Wishes,
Keith

Originally posted by ethanedwards@Aug 23 2005, 01:44 PM
Hi,
Whilst on the subject of composers, perhaps it's worth mentioning,
two or three lesser known ones, for example:-

Richard Hageman, for
STAGECOACH
THE LONG VOYAGE HOME
ANGEL AND THE BADMAN
FORT APACHE
3 GODFATHERS
SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON

Emil Newman for,
BIG JIM McLAIN
ISLAND IN THE SKY
HONDO

and I previously mentioned Victor Young, for THE QUIET MAN
but he was also responsible for,
THE DARK COMMAND
THREE FACES WEST
REAP THE WILD WIND
FLYING TIGERS
SANDS OF IWO JIMA
RIO GRANDE
THE CONQUEROR

Oh and by the way, he wrote a little song, young and old might know,

WHEN I FALL IN LOVE

Best Wishes,
Keith
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I didn't know Richard Hagman and Victor Young did the music for so many of Duke's films.
Colorado Bob

That new True Grit soundtrack looks pretty good. I was never real happy with the jazzed up version that was released.

At any rate, I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of a Rio Bravo soundtrack or a Chisum soundtrack. It seems to me that there is plenty of real good music in both films, and I think they would make great soundtracks. Especially if they (whoever "they" may be) were to include the opening of Chisum with the William Conrad narration, and on the Rio Bravo soundtrack they could include Dean Martin's rendition of the title song.

I've never heard of either of these films having a soundtrack CD or album made. How about any of you folks?

Best,
Colorado Bob

Hi Bob

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I have never seen either an exclusive Rio Bravo or Chisum Disc, but if you go into John Wayne's music there is a CD in existence called My Rifle My Pony and Me issued by Bear records and includes Dean Martin and Ricky Nelson singing My Rifle My Pony and Me and Dean Martin singing Rio Bravo.

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There is also by the same record company Rio Bravo which also includes My Rifle my Pony and Me by Dean Martin it also has four tracks by Frankie Avalon from the Alamo which are not very good and the Ballad of the War Wagon.

I have the sound track from Chisum which unfortunately doesn't icnlude the William Conrad vocal.

Like you I think it a pretty good piece of music.

I have also a three disc set entitled Wild Wild West which isn't bad and contains How the West Was Won The Comanceros Ballad of the Alamo and Green Leaves of summer and Rio Bravo (Main theme) & True Grit. The main details of this
GLD 25416 2001 IMC Music Ltd
issued under liscence from Intermusic SA

Regards

Arthur

Hello:
I am curious as to which soundtrack that is Chisum. If you have one I would surely like to get it. I have a site which shows soundtracks, 45's, compilations, sheetmusic, etc. Please give me information about the Chisum soundtrack or any soundtrack from John Waynes movies. My site is:
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Hi All

Ive seen the Rio Bravo Soundtrack CD but haven't heard of a Chisum one


Mike

Originally posted by DukePilgrim@Jun 11 2006, 10:53 AM
Hi All

Ive seen the Rio Bravo Soundtrack CD but haven't heard of a Chisum one
Mike
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Howdy Mike,
I'm curious, where did you find or see a Rio Bravo soundtrack. I've been looking, but I can't find it anywhere.
Best,
Colorado Bob

Hi Bob

I was a French/German CD which was Red River and Rio Bravo. I think it originated from an earlier LP release.

I saw it on ebay recently I will try and find the ad for you.


Mike

Hi Bob

Here is the ebay link and picture. If you use babelfish you will get a translation

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I dont think it is a OST which may be why it didnt sell. He had a Ricky Nelson CD awhile back that showed Ricky from Rio Bravo.

Ive bought a few books of him and he was okay.

Feel free to email if you have any more questions.

Best


Mike

Originally posted by DukePilgrim@Jun 13 2006, 03:53 PM
Hi Bob

Here is the ebay link and picture. If you use babelfish you will get a translation

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I dont think it is a OST which may be why it didnt sell. He had a Ricky Nelson CD awhile back that showed Ricky from Rio Bravo.

Ive bought a few books of him and he was okay.

Feel free to email if you have any more questions.

Best
Mike
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Thanks Mike, I'm gonna go check it out.
Best,
Colorado Bob

Howdy All,
I just wanted you all to know that you are my last chance. I am still looking for a few more soundtracks to round out my collection. I have tried everywhere I can think of, except ebay. I tend to shy away from ebay for soundtracks because the ones I have gotten are rarely in decent shape due to scratches and such. So I am turning to the one group of folks that can help me. I would like to buy, trade, or do just about anything, to get either original soundtracks or dubbed copies of the following:
Big Jake
The Searchers
The High and the Mighty
The Sands of Iwo Jima
Barbarian and the Geisha
In Harm's Way

Can anyone please help me?!

I'm looking forward to hearing from you all. Either a posting here or a PM (which would probably be faster). Thanks everyone, I'm counting on you.
Best to all,
Colorado Bob

Received Rio Lobo Soundtrack CD today from Germany.

Absolute stunner well worth the money Highly Recommended


Mike B)

Hi Mike,

You may be interested in this link
to the composer of Rio Lobo

Pals of theSaddle- Jerry Goldsmith ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Thanks Ethan

Great link Elmer Bernstein and Jerry Goldsmith would be two of my favourite composers


Best


Mike

Hi Mike,


I agree, along with John Williams they are the tops,

Check out the Forum, on

Pals of The Saddles- Composers ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

By the way Mike,
it's really Keith

Thanks Keith

You would be amazed at how many Keiths and Kevins that I know via the internet and work LOL I have an excuse for being confused.

Yes, John Williams is the last of the Great Titans still alive and working. Somehow the music world will not be the same with Hans Zimmer and the like.


Mike

Oh Well, in that case
carry on callin me Ethan, at least it's different!!

I honestly believe that the three composers,
in a few years down will be classed
as modern classical composers and be treated accordingly.

I agree with you both, these men and their Music were the best. :jump:

Bill :cowboy:

Hi William and Ethan aka Keith

Ethan is a nice name if I had son I would consider Ethan more likely to be John mind you LOL

Yes, Bernstein Williams and Goldsmith were geniuses whose work is grossly under rated. The late Bernard Hermann who worked on so many Hitchcock movies was also in their class.

The sad thing is modern audiences at the cinema will not see their like again as orchestral arrangements cost studios money and they would rather penny pinch with electronic music or forgettable pop songs.

If somebody asked you to name a film soundtack in the last 20 years you would be hard pushed. The recent Mummy movies are the only ones that come to mind with me and they were composed by Jerry Goldsmith.

At least we have the CDs. It would be great if Chisum was released as an OST CD.


Mike

Hi

If this works hopefully you will be able to add to this list

Regards

Arthur

Hello, Arthur:
I have the folowing on CD's:
The Alamo - Varese Sarabande
The Alamo - Coloumbia
The Alamo - Mike Boldt
The Barbarian and the Geisha - Intrada
Big Jake - Varese Sarabande
Brannigan - La La Land
Cast A Giant Shadow - Varese Sarabande
The Comancheros - FSM
The Cowboys - Varese Sarabande
El Dorado/Custer of the West - Comanche
The Green Berets - FSM
Hatari! - RCA
The High and the Mighty - FLY Gema
McQ - FSM
The Quiet Man - Scannan
Red River - Marco Polo
Rio Gande - Varese Sarabande
Rio Lobo - Prometheus
The Searchers - Screen Archives Entertainment
Stagecoach/Fort Apache - The Soundtrack Factory
True Grit - Capitol (Original)
True Grit - Tadlow Music (New)

I have some others that I will send in the morning. Hope that this will wet you whistle.
wbbison

Hi All

In addition to those mentioned:-

Cast a Giant Shadow was released with Exodus some years ago

It has also been released by itself in a 3000 limited edition version see link below:-

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A number of John Wayne themes were also released on this compilation CD.

Amazon.com: True Grit: Music From The Classic Films Of John Wayne (Film Score Anthology): Various Artists,Lisa Pelikan,Lee Meriwether,James Stephens,Jeff Osterhage,Lee Montgomery,Ramon Bieri,Jack Fletcher,Parley Baer,Lee de Broux,Fredric Cook,Redmond Gleeson,Gregg Palmer,Derrel Maury,Roger Frazier,John Perak,Don Spencer (II),Burt Douglas,Simon Tyme,Charles Burke (II): Music ([Only registered and activated users can see links])


A superior True Grit Soundtrack CD was issued this year which has the added bonus of tracks from other films.

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Hatari also turns up on a Henry Mancini CD with Pink Panther and Breakfast at Tiffany's



Best


Mike

Hi Kalmouk

You can download Chisum theme via Limewire. Music only no narration.

The Horse Soldier theme She Wore a Yellow Ribbon and tracks from Rio Bravo and Eldorado are also there.


Best


Mike

Hello:
Here are the compilations that I have collected on CD's.
The Shootist/Big Jake/Cahill, US Marshall - Varese Sarabandie
The Comancheros/True Grit - Varese Sarabandi
True Grit - Music From The Classic Films of JW - Silva
Dimitri Tiomkin - Unicorn-Kanchana
Rio Bravo, Western and Other Movie & TV Themes- Bear Family
My Rifle, My Pony and Me, Movie and TV Themes - Rajon

Then I have dupe the following off of the LP's onto CD's.
Circus World
The Horse Soldiers
El Dorado
In Harms Way
The Sons Of Katie Elder
The Longest Day
Island In The Sky
McLintock
That's just about it. I have seen the original CD, both above and from my earlier posting, and they have been for sale. Hope this helps.
wbbison

Hi All

Here's the link for Sons of Katie Elder


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This one also turns up but I think John Wayne's image is the only link to him.

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Best


Mike

Two links for Cast a Giant Shadow CD on ebay

with Exodus

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on its own

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plus link for Red River CD

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Rio Bravo is widely available on Ebay as well. Check the seller shipping charges before buying they can vary from $7.00 to $20.00
Best


Mike

Howdy All,
So far, I think I have just about all of the John Wayne soundtracks (thank you again Arthur, I am eternally indebted to you). The ones I am missing and cannot seem to find (but I'm still looking) are:
Big Jake
Chisum
The High and the Mighty
The Sands of Iwo Jima
The Barbarian and the Geisha
In Harm's Way
True Grit (the new one, not the old one)

I do have some of the music from some of these films on compilation CD's, and although they're good and enjoyable to listen to, I try to find "complete" soundtracks that feature just the music from the particular film. I've purchased some from Varese Saraband, and Buysoundtrax.com, but as yet have not found any of these on ebay. But, that's half the fun of collecting John Wayne memorabilia, THE SEARCH!

Best to all,
Colorado Bob

Hi Colorado Bob

You can get True Grit and Big Jake from Buysoundtrax (USA) and Chris’s Corner (Germany) via Ebay or go directly to their web sites from their ads and buy directly from them if you prefer not to use Ebay.


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Best

Mike

The Cowboys by John Williams would be my favourite selection.

Elmer Bernstein True Grit Sons of Katie Elder Mc Q

Max Steiner The Searchers is a classic its own right and Richard Hageman
virtually visualises the Stagecoach story.

Also, worth a mention is Rio Lobo by Jerry Goldsmith


Mike

Thanks Mike! I just went to Buysoundtrax's ebay store and bought the True Grit Complete Original Score CD. They did not Big Jake in stock, but I'll keep looking. I have dealt with them before and they're pretty reliable, and easy to work with. Thanks again!
Best,
Colorado Bob

Great to hear you got True Grit Bob you will enjoy it.

The other guy from Germany is okay to deal with as well.

I use him rather than buysoundtrax because any CDs arrive with me within a few days as it is coming from Germany rather than USA.

Price wise they are much the same


Best


Mike

If anyone is looking for CD's of John Wayne's movie, they are being auctioned on ebay. They are around $20 or better. Hope this is something that anyone can use. Good luck.
wbbison

Hi Wbbison

What are the title?

Best

Mike

Hi, Mike:
The titles and the opening bids are:
True Grit - 24.95
Big Jake - 29.95
Brannigan - 24.95
Red River - 9.95
Rio Lobo - 26.95
Comancheros - 24.95
Green Berets - 24.95
Undefeated - 24.95
Quiet Man - 15.95
That is it. The auctions end in about 5 days.
wbbison

Hi wbbison


Ive actually got all those titles but Im sure there will be interest in CDs.

Best


Mike

Hi:
I've been crusing and I have found this site:
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Go there and it will tell you what soundtracks are available on CD's. I question that they do have all of these. Nor do they offer all the soundtracks that are current. However they do have quite a few.
wbbison

I think some of the titles are getting close to the 3000 mark and will soon be discontinued.

I had a copy of Big Jake that leaves less 300 units left.

Nice that they are having a success but if you are missining titles I would act soon.

Hi

I've just got the Stagecoach and Fort Apache CD. Looking forward to listening to it.

Regards

Arthur

Hi Arthur

It is not a bad CD just need the time and peace to listen to it.

Got my copy of Mr rifle my pony & me. Great CD

Mike

Nice little 4 CD Dimtri Tiomkin CD with some rare John Wayne tracks.

It is a Silvo Screen City of Prague Orchestra

The highlights are War Wagon and The High & Mighty with music arrangements on CD 1 & 2 and vocal arrangement on CD 4

The Alamo and and Rio Bravo are also great plus Gunfight at OK Corral and Jimmy Stewart movie Night Passage.

There is also a range of epic themes from Fall of the Roman Empire and Land of the Pharoahs plus some Hitchcock themes.

There is a full colour booklet with a tribute from Tiomikin's daughter.

Reproductions are faithful if not identical to original arrangements.

The Unforgiven tracks are from 1960 movie not Clint Eastwood film as is The Wild Wild West from the 1960s TV series.

Available from play.com at £13.99

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Tracks are:-


Disc 1
Night Passage
Tension At Table Rock
High Noon
The War Wagon
The Wild Wild West: Main Theme
The Wild Wild West: The Ballad Of Jim West
Gunfight At The O.K. Coral
Rio Bravo
Rawhide
Red River
The Unforgiven: Across The Texas Panhandle
The Unforgiven: The Need For Love
The Unforgiven: Horse Ballet
The Young Land
Duel In The Sun
Disc 2
The Fall Of The Roman Empire: Overture
The Fall Of The Roman Empire: The Fall Of Love
The Fall Of The Roman Empire: Pax Romana
Days Peking
Land Of The Pharaohs
Circus World (The Magnificent Showman)
Dial M For Murder
Strangers On A Train
Giant: Main Title
Giant: Love Theme
Giant: The Jett Rink Theme
The High And The Mighty
Wild Is The Wind
The Guns Of Navarone
Disc 3
Cyrano De Bergerac
The Well
Friendly Persuasion
Town Without Pity
It's A Wonderful Life
Tarzan And The Mermaids
The Thing From Another World
The Alamo: Overture / Prologue
The Alamo: Davy Crockett
The Alamo: Tennessee Babe
The Alamo: The Battle Of The Alamo
The Alamo: The Green Leaves Of Summer
The Alamo: Finale
Disc 4 Vocal Arrangement
Giant: This Then Is Texas
Rawhide: Rawhide
High Noon: Do Not Forsake Me
Night Passage: Follow The River
Giant: The Ballad Of Jett Rink
Friendly Persuasion: Thee I Love
It's A Wonderful Life
Wild Is The Wind
The High And The Mighty
The War Wagon: The Ballad Of The War Wagon
Rio Bravo The Young Land: Strange Are The Ways Of Love
The Wild Wild West: The Ballad Of Jim West
The Wild Wild West: The Wild Wild West

You know, you can download a 7-day free trial of Napster, and they have Dmitri Tiomkin's Red River available for download.

Chester :newyear:

Hi Mike

The Tiomkin CD looks good might try that.


Regards

Arthur

Hi Chester

The Red River soundtrack is that the Moscow Symphony CD or another source?

Mike

Mike,

It took a little searching, but if you look at

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you will see pictured the same album shown on Napster. I believe this is the Marco-Polo release, and from everything I read, it is the Moscow Symphony and Choir featured.

Chester :newyear:

Thank Chester

I have the Red River CD. Different cover from one shown. I wasnt sure about it the first time I listened to CD but I grew to love it. Fascinating to see the variations of theme.

I see Silva Screen have Quiet man CD at £11.95


Mike

Hi Jim and Mike

The one illustrated is the same as the one have. its interesting reading the various comments particularly about the singing. All in all though I think this is a very good CD.
On a par with the Searchers How The West Was Won and Red River I would go for How The West Was Won Red River and The Searchers.

If I were to expand two very good CD's that would stand with the other three are The films of Elmer Bernstein Volume 1 The Comancheros and True Grit, and Volume 2 The Shootist, Big Jake, Cahill United States Marshall.

Having played Stagecoach and Fort Apache I wasn't particularly impressed with Stagecoach reasonably happy with Fort Apache. Perhaps I expected more.


Regards

Arthur

Hi Jim and Mike

The one illustrated is the same as the one have. its interesting reading the various comments particularly about the singing. All in all though I think this is a very good CD.
On a par with the Searchers How The West Was Won and Red River I would go for How The West Was Won Red River and The Searchers.

If I were to expand two very good CD's that would stand with the other three are The films of Elmer Bernstein Volume 1 The Comancheros and True Grit, and Volume 2 The Shootist, Big Jake, Cahill United States Marshall.

Having played Stagecoach and Fort Apache I wasn't particularly impressed with Stagecoach reasonably happy with Fort Apache. Perhaps I expected more.


Regards

Arthur

Hi Arthur

Those soundtracks were the first two I bought as LPs I think from DL Cutts and being the first soundtrack records I had I thought they were great

Funny thing when I bought them as CDs I expected to get beter reproduction but thought they sound a little dull particularly on Shootist and Cahill so much so that I now prefer other options

True Grit, Commancheros and Big Jake I have as complete OST and I prefer the Shootist and Cahill selections on new True Grit CD.

It proberably because they are new selections and are digital and I dont pump the volume like I have to on the Elmer Bernstein CDs.


Mike

Howdy All,
I received the new True Grit soundtrack yesterday, and after listening to it I have to say that I am very pleased. I also liked the "additional" tracks of The Shootist, Big Jake, and Cahill. They were done as concert suites, and are very nice. I heartily recommend this CD to anyone who has not heard it.
Best,
Colorado Bob

I would second that too Colorado Bob.

They have done a good job on that CD

Best


Mike

John Williams of course is number one
Jerry Goldsmith, his score for In Harms Way was spectacular.
Victor Young for his Quiet Man.

I have now merged threads together on this subject,
and if any newer members have any thoughts about
the music that was brilliantly scored for Duke's movies,
please let us know.

Most Movies With a Composer

1.Elmer Bernstein.8 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
1=Victor Young. 8 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
3. Roy Webb.7 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
4.Dimitri Tiomkin.6-7 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
4=Richard Hageman.6 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

I didn't know how merging the thread about John Wayne's Music into this thread would affect the flow of conversation, so thought it better to just share the link to another interesting discussion about the music from JW's films. Plenty of food for thought and "grist for the mill."

Chester :newyear:

Thanks for the other link, Jim,
I've merged them anyway, they seem to flow OK.
Anyway at least now, we have them under the same roof.

Thanks, Keith! Just didn't want to muck things up with a bad merge! Glad it worked OK.

Chester :newyear: