Hi,

Although our friend didn't really die,
he did meet his death in the following:-

1. Central Airport.
2. Reap The Wild Wind.
3. The Fighting Seabees.
4. Wake Of The Red Witch.
5. Sands Of Iwo Jima
6. The Alamo.
7. The Cowboys.
8. The Shootist.

And don't forget he was already gone,
in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.!

May I add another movie to that list as well? Even though we don't know what happened to Duke at the end of The Sea Chase, I guess that it was assumed that he died at the end of that movie.

Another good point,

but I still like to believe that Duke,
was washed up on some Norwegian shore,
in the arms, of a beautiful gal!!

I think the same thing too.

Perhaps Lana Turner washed up on shore with him??????:teeth_smile:

from what i read he almost bought it after a cast party of the SEA CHASE when his second wife took a shot at him when he came home late. she said she thought it was a burglar.:ohmy:

For all Duke fans,
Duke's Screen Deaths are all sad!!
Which one, is your saddest, and most memorable?

Ethan, it just has to be The Shootist. I still have a hard time watching that one. Other than The Shootist, it would be The Cowboys. Bruce Dern would have toted one from me if I could have been there. :stunned:

His death in The Cowboys is the hardest for me to watch, because he is killed in such a despicable manner. In The Shootist, he is already dying of cancer and decides to go out a different way. That one is sort of back-handed as well, but not out of sheer meanness and ugliness. I mean, he went into that place expecting to be shot to death - he was just too good and shot all of the men he expected would get him.

The Shootist is hard to watch because I know it's Duke's last picture, almost mirroring real life - that is the really sad part.

Mrs. C :angel1:

Hi

The Shootist was hard to take for many reasons, although as you say he was determined to go out on a high.

The Cowboys was bad because of the way it came about. For many years after Laura Dern was taunted at school by people saying that her father had killed John Wayn.

Regards

Arthur

Hi

The Shootist was hard to take for many reasons, although as you say he was determined to go out on a high.

The Cowboys was bad because of the way it came about. For many years after Laura Dern was taunted at school by people saying that her father had killed John Wayn.

Regards

Arthur
The Cowboys was the worst for me. It is funny what you said about Laura Dern,I remember a interview with the girl who played Nellie Olson on Little House on the Prarie where she said people would throw stuff at her in parades and other functions because she was so mean to Laura Engels. It is amazing how TV affects our lives and temperement. I can't stand Bruce Dern in anything...You think the "Cowboys" had something to do with that????

That has been the case for years concerning the soap operas. A friend of mine whose daughter was in "As the World Turns" said that many of the actors who played dispicable characters would be confronted in public by viewers that took them to task for being such rotten people! The line between reality and fantasy has been blurred for a long time.
Cheers - Jay:beer:

I agree with everyone else,
The Shootist and The Cowboys,
were sad and memorable scenes.

However, no one as mentioned the Sands Of Iwo Jima.

When watching the film again, we now know what is going to happen,
but I wonder how many of us were as shocked as myself,
when Duke was killed by a sniper!

I agree with everyone else,
The Shootist and The Cowboys,
were sad and memorable scenes.

However, no one as mentioned the Sands Of Iwo Jima.

When watching the film again, we now know what is going to happen,
but I wonder how many of us were as shocked as myself,
when Duke was killed by a sniper!
Sands of Iwo Jima was a shocker but this was war and he died a hero and not by the hand of a coward (Cowboys) or the death wish of a dying gunslinger (The Shootist). In Sands of Iwo Jima aside from his squad and an astranged family he was just another marine who was loved by no one and who,loved no one. Sounds kinda calouse,don't it...

Cowboys, Shootist and then Iwo Jima, in that order.

ET

He also played a corpse in The Deceiver in part of his time at Columbia

The saddest of Duke´s screen deaths is always "The Shootist", because of Duke´s cancer fiction and reality came very close in the movie. It makes me cry whenever I watch it.

But we forgot one screen death here: John Wayne playing the son of a poor farmer, died in the B-Western movie Wyoming Outlaw (1939), produced by Republic. He was steeling deer because the poor farmers were cheated by politicians and had nothing to eat. The three Mesquiteers tried to help him, but after a prison-break he became an Outlaw and was hunted down and killed.

Unfortunately I only could see a German version of "Wyoming Outlaw" and it was cut down from over 50 minutes to 25 minutes! But for a B-Western, I would say, it was a good movie!

But we forgot one screen death here: John Wayne playing the son of a poor farmer, died in the B-Western movie Wyoming Outlaw (1939), produced by Republic. He was steeling deer because the poor farmers were cheated by politicians and had nothing to eat. The three Mesquiteers tried to help him, but after a prison-break he became an Outlaw and was hunted down and killed.


Wyoming Outlaw ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Sorry, but Duke didn't meet his death in this movie,
as he was in fact,
Stony Brooke one of The Three Mesquiteers, who befriends,
the young farmer Will Parker, who had turned into an outlaw!
I can only assume, you may have mistaken,
this as Duke's character?

The complete movie has a runtime, of 56mins,
so it could be, that much shorter version you watched,
did not show the full story!

I have to watch "Wyoming Outlaw" again! Maybe I am wrong, maybe it was because the movie was shortened... I will have a look at it as soon as possible!

EDIT: Yes, You are right! I watched "Wyoming Outlaw" again. John Wayne IS NOT Will Parker and he is not killed in the movie. He is one of the Misqueteers... Don´t know, why I could not remember, but, maybe I have seen to many of Duke´s movies? - NO, You can´t see to many John Wayne movies, but I have seen these B-movies only once, and so I forgot the details. But I like John Wayne´s B-Western! Most of them where great fun with thrilling stunts, fast and hard riding and quick shooting!

I also say "The Shootist" and "The Cowboys" because he was shot in the back by a "6 fingered busturd" in "The sands of iwo jima" he didn't have to die but he didn't much to live for either

the alamo was probably saddest for me - i was also gutted when colonal bowie got killed, but in the sands of iwo jima, his death came as a complete shock

Don't know if it was just a coincidence but in "Sands of Iwo Jima", "The Cowboys" and "The Shootist" the Duke was in the process of mentoring younger men when he met his end. To me, that is an admirable trait worthy of emulation by all who value the future. Those young folks out there need to be taught right from wrong.

hi Keith

you should have done a poll on this question as it appears that by a large majority in this order

the shootist
the cowboys
Sands of Iwo Jima

are the "top" 3

this is also my choice. I still cannot watch the shootist without weeping buckets.

on a slightly different note, I used to like listening to to the theme tune from Island in the sky but since I heard played during JW last appearance at the oscars I can no longer listen to that without crying. brings back memories of shadow of the man he was, physically I mean, very sad.

Hi

Taking your point about Duke mentoring youngsters when he died. I think that in both Reap the Wild Wind and Wake of the Red Witch he was attempting to right previous wrongs, so I suppose there is some merit in that.

Regards

Arthur

"The Cowboys" is my my saddest death of Duke and it makes me always a bit angry. He protects the young Cowboys until his death and the movie is getting more sinister. It's like they lost their fathers and it's good to see that the Boys are taking revenge for Duke's murder.

I only wish that JW's death in The Alamo was more original, rather than a replay of The Last Command. If anything he should have emulated Fess Parker.

I think Duke's Death in "The Shootist" was the Most Moving for me, because it was His Last Film !
:cry2:
Chilibill
:cowboy:

The saddest and the most poignant is The Shootist. I know he didnt plan it as his epitaph but it was a way to go out.

The most shocking is Sands of Iwo Jima as you expect them to survive after reaching the top of Iwo Jima.

That's very true. Dukes wasn't the one who was supposed to die on Iwo, he's the mentor, the teacher, the guy who would show these young recruits how to survive. But knowing what we know now about the fight on Iwo, it would be anybody who could die. Out of the 6 flag raisers in the famous photo, three would die soon after the flag went up, including Sgt Mike Strank, who though he was much younger than Dukes character of Sgt Striker, was considered the mentor of the others and who they referred to as "the old man". I think he was only 25 or so.

Tell me about Central Airport. I am not familiar with the movie, and though Duke had a minor role, I don't know how his death was portrayed. I'd like to know more about that movie.

As for the best death scene, I'd have to say, Sands of Iwo Jima because it is the first movie I've seen him that he died. I did see The Shootist in 1976, but this would be since my renewed interest with John Wayne back in 1990.

Cheers :cool: Hondo

Tell me about Central Airport. I am not familiar with the movie, and though Duke had a minor role, I don't know how his death was portrayed. I'd like to know more about that movie.

Cheers :cool: Hondo

Mike,
Central Airport is a rare one, but we don't have it listed as missing,
or unavailable.
Duke was way down the list as 'uncredited'!
He appears 56 minutes into the film
as an officer in a downed plane in the Gulf Of Mexico.
His screen time is short, some 32 seconds,
as he helps passengers onto the plane's wing and
drowns while helping a passenger.

Wow, I just learned something new here. Didn't know about Central Airport. Is the movie any good?

Mike,
Central Airport is a rare one, but we don't have it listed as missing,
or unavailable.
Duke was way down the list as 'uncredited'!
He appears 56 minutes into the film
as an officer in a downed plane in the Gulf Of Mexico.
His screen time is short, some 32 seconds,
as he helps passengers onto the plane's wing and
drowns while helping a passenger.

Hi Mike and Keith

I have a copy of this movie on DVD, a transfer from video tape. However been a long time since I watched it probably cos JW is not in it very long.

Made in 1933 so pre Stagecoach days but after The Big Trail 1930 which should have rocketed him to Americas leading man.

IMO What a hunk he was in the Big Trail and what an epic film! Would do almost anything to see the 70mm version on the big screen. ANY OFFERS FROM CINEMA OWNERS??

My friend ColoradoBob recently sent me the latest DVD release with a remastered version of the 70mm film on it but not the same watching it on large screen TV as it would be at the cinema.

Elly,

When you watch it, tell us about this movie. I'd like to hear about it. Is it worth a viewing?

Cheers :cool: Hondo

Elly,

When you watch it, tell us about this movie. I'd like to hear about it. Is it worth a viewing?

Cheers :cool: Hondo


Will do but it may be awhile before I can watch it. All my JW stuff is in UK and I am in Bulgaria now. Hoping to be in UK around Christmas time so perhaps a review in the new year?

Hi

Central Airport was one of a number of flying films made in the 1930s, the best of which were made by Howard hawks. It was a starring role film for Richard Barhlemass with John Wayne in at best a peripheral role or even as an extra.

it was made at a time when Duke was struggling to make his way in the industry after The Big Trail. But for all of that its not a bad picture.

Regards

Arthur

It took me many many years to watch the shootist after it's release. When I did finally watch it, it jumped to my favorite Duke movie, not because of the death but simply because of his acting. He was second to none as JB Books. I'm curious does anyone know was the character in the book named the same, I was thinking Jb books could have been used as The books of batjac productions and reversed bj to jb since bj isn't as manly as JB . they used clips from his old movies to show his past life. I'm probably wrong but the thought entered my simple mind.

Yes, Brick, his name was J.B. Books in the book as well. The book does tend to get a bit graphic in it's telling of Books' cancer and the pain he endures. It also graphically tells how each shot enters and damages the man who is shot. But it is quite a good read.

Mark

Batjac had little to do with the making of the Film, But Duke called most of the Shots on How Much Blood and Guts were shown in the Film !
Chilibill
:cowboy:

He also demanded some of the shots to be redone due to the fact that it showed Books shooting one of the bar people in the back, and he didn't want any of his characters shooting anyone in the back.

Cheers :cool:

Hondo, Yes Duke said that He was Not Going to Shoot anyone in the Back, and He Did Not !
:wink_smile:
And He would Not Drop His Pants for the Doc. "Jimmy Stewart" to check Him For Cancer as The Director Don Siegel wanted in the First Part of The Film !!
:ohmy:
He said "There are Not Going to be Any Bare Asses in any Movie I am In !!!"
:glare:
Bill
:cowboy: