Since we're right at it discussing "lost" footage - how about a film that hasn't even been made? In the Fifties, Darryl F. Zanuck had a film called "Trigero" lined up, which should have been directed by Sam Fuller (The Big Red One!), starring JW and Ava Gardner. Fuller had even shot some action material already when Zanuck stopped the film altogether because it seemed difficult to get insurances for JW for this difficult, even dangerous adventure movie, to be filmed in Africa (or was it South America?).

But they did a film about the UNMAKING of "Trigero" - I think about 10 years ago. Jim Jarmush was one of the participants in this documentary about how a film was NOT made, and it contains some of the footage that Fuller had shot.

I've never seen it available anywhere. Anybody out there knows more about it? DIG DEEP for this one! Please gimme some answers that'll get us a step further. Thanks!

Oh BTW somebody mentioned in another post that Circus World wasn't yet on DVD. Don't know about the US, but over here it certainly is, along in a line with those other Sam Bronston spectaculars like EL CID, etc. This version contains the original version as well, of course.

Hello :rolleyes:

Itdo, I'll see what I can find out here in Canada :huh:

Monique ;)

Itdo,

Thanks for the heads up, we'll keep our eyeballs peeled :rolleyes: .

As far as Circus World, I would guess it may be more popular in Europe because the story is set there, thus its greater availability. You are in a different region, aren't you, as far as DVDs being able to be played on our machines?

Chester

Yes Sir, it's a different area, but DVD-players which are able to play all different versions are very common and don't cost much more (I've bought me one of these so I never have to bother again about codes). Right, "Circus World" was a European based production, Samuel Bronston had his offices in, I think, Madrid - maybe that's the reason for the film being available here, along with El Cid, Fall of the Roman Empire, 55 Days in Peking and so on.

Thanks for that little tidbit, Itdo. I have read about every book I could get my hands on about John Wayne and I never heard that story about Trigero. I keep learning from this group! dukefan1

hi chester,

i have seen circus world in dvd here in aust. selling for between $20 and $30 aust. dollars but you have to be quick to get it.

cheers smokey

Hey all!
Sorry I haven't posted the last few days, had to fire my ISP people. They were double billing me.

Anyway, this is the one thing I hate about Region codes. Circus World, Fort Apache, and Back To Batan have been released on DVD for the European & Asian markets, but not for the Northeren Hemisphere. This goes the same for those DVDs that are released in the US/Canadian market, but can't be played elsewhere.

This just ain't right! :angry:

Itdo, The name of the documentary is Tigero: The film that was never made. Essentially Jim Jarmusch and Samuel Fuller
go back to see if anyone remembers Fuller from the foootage he shot in 1954. I' ve never seen but a review I read gave the impression Fuller and Duke did not get along too well. Just go to www.amazon.com they have it availabe on Vhs. The documentary was made in 1995 and I believe Fuller died in 1997.

itdo,

That's also interesting to me. How did you know about it? I have no info on this myself, and I have 8 books on Duke. Just never heard anything about it at all. I'm going to have to look into the documentary.

Cheers, Hondo B)

Hey yall

Not sure, but I think you can purchase Circus World in the U.S. Amazon.com has a listing for that movie. The cost is very high at almost $90 U.S. dollars. I didn't like it that much. The relase date was February 28, 2001. Just thougth that you would be interested.

Cheers, Hondo B)

Thanks for the hint! I never found it on Amazon because I misspelled the title! It costs 80$ new (!!!!) because it's such a rare tape, so I'm getting a used one - for twenty bucks. Ouch! But this should be real interesting, would have loved to see JW under Sam Fuller's direction. What a team they might have made! Here's what somebody wrote on Amazon who had the pleasure of seeing the documentary:

This is on the surface a documentary about a film Sam Fuller once wanted to make, an attempt on which time and effort was spent, but
which for various reasons fell apart. It would have been a fine film, displaying his far-ranging interests and passions and his deep caring
for people and their plight. All told, of course, in an exciting fashion with spellbinding action scenes! Romance! Thrills! Excitement!

But what makes this film really so interesting is that it really is a tribute to Sam Fuller, the storyteller. His voice permeates the film as he
recounts his past and ponders on the future, talking with Jim Jarmusch who follows him on this journey to the village that he once visited
while location scouting for TIGRERO.

I can just smell the cigarsmoke. And smile when he laughs!

Roland

Have you watched this documentary yet, was it any good and are there any scenes with John Wayne it it?

B)

No, those things take their time to cross the ocean, but I certainly don't expect to see JW in it - how could he?

Roland

I meant is he in the documentary like saying why he turned the movie down or something like that.

B)

No. Please read the posts carefully, all the information is there. He never turned the film down. Darryl F. Zanuck put the project to a halt because there were problems like getting insurance for JW. That was after Sam Fuller already shot some second-unit-material.

How do you get a copy of this documentary. I haven't been able to get any info on anything about it. Maybe, I'm doing something wrong, and I haven't tried in about a week now, so I might be getting confused.

Thanks Roland.

Cheers, Hondo B)

Hondo (and anybody else who might be interested),

Here is the link to the specific spot at Amazon.com -

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/630...6932768-9356738 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6304005016/qid%3D1060960231/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-6932768-9356738)

Just on the right, you will see where you can click for used copies, starting much lower than the $89.99 price for NEW.

Part of the problem in finding it might have been that it's been spelled several different ways in this thread :huh: . It took me a while to find it.


Chester

Well, I finally had a chance to sit down and watch my "bought-used-from-Amazon" copy of Tigrero tonight.

I'll have to say it was interesting but not quite enough about the John Wayne aspects of the movie. If anybody would be interested in watching native indians from the Amazon River region dancing around in ritual costumes with their bare breasts and genitals hanging out, this is the tape for you. It's definitely a bit of JW history (a small bit), but not worth what I spent on it (about $25 with shipping). I could have bought at least two first line JW DVDs for the same money. Of course, for those who are true scholars of the film industry, this might be a real gem - I am just a died-in-the-wool John Wayne fan, not so much into the ins and outs of Hollywood.

To answer Robbie's question, JW's only "appearance" on this film is in the form of still photos, studio shots and from other movies of his.

Anyone who would like to borrow it for the cost of shipping :rolleyes: would be welcome.

Itdo, have you had a chance to watch your copy (have you received it yet?)? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it.

Chester :headbonk: ( . . . I coulda' had 2 DVDs, I coulda' had 2 DVDs . . . )

Hey Chester,

Are you talking about two (2) DVD's from DeepDiscountDVD.com which will include shipping for the price of that video you bought? :lol:

How long is it, and as you put it in your perspective not really a John Wayne factor at all? I am just interested in you comments.

Cheers, Hondo B)

Hey, Hondo!

Why, YES, I am talking about two (2) DVD's from DeepDiscountDVD.com which will include shipping for the price of that video I bought, which is 75 minutes long!

:D

Chester

chester,

all i can say is buy in haste repent in leisure :lol: so now you know for next time and you will have your 2 dvd's. sorry it turned out to be a waste of money but you never know you might be able to resell it and still get your 2 dvd's. ;)

cheers smokey

Whoaa, looks like I have to ride to the rescue of this one!

First, we've never talked about a John Wayne film. That's the whole point. It's about a film that was never made. So there's a different angle. It's a making of about a film that was all lined up, that had Wayne, Ty Power and Ava Gardner signed - and then Zanuck pulled the plug. So this film here is really about SAM FULLER, that cigar-chewing wise oldtimer who was one of Hollywood's very Best - don't look for Wayne here. It cracks me up when Fuller (who has films like The Big Red One to his credit) returns 40 years after location-scouting to the area, telling us all about it. We get to see the footage he shot but never could use. He wrote a screenplay, a labor of love, we get to know the feeling of a dedicated filmmaker who was cut short before reaching the finish. We're talking about Jim Jarmush here, we're talking a film that one an important prize at Cannes. But - yes, it's not a John Wayne film. It's about a JW film that wasn't made. Interesting though - don't you think? That documentary calls upon you to use your imagination. To see a film where there isn't one.

itdo,

You absolutely did NOT say that Tigrero was a JW movie, and your description of it was a very good representation of what it was, namely a documentary about a movie that never was. I went into it with my eyes (and wallet) open. While the movie was at times interesting, I personally didn't feel like it was a good value for the money, for me anyway. Not being as involved in the film industry as yourself, and not knowing the significance of Mr. Fuller, I'm sure I didn't get nearly as much out of it as you did.

And I can always turn around and sell it used on Amazon . . . . :)

Glad to have you back, and get to hear your perspective on things again! We missed you.

Chester

Well, I stumbled upon this interesting piece of Duke trivia while searching through the site. I must say, I have never heard about this anywhere before (I can't recall any of the Duke biographies mentioning it). John Wayne, Ava Gardner, and Ty Power in a film directed by Sam Fuller? WOW!!! It's a shame Zanuck got cheap and pulled the plug. I wonder if Fuller's original script is still in existence somewhere? It would be interesting to read through it and get an idea of what kind of role this would have been for JW to play.

Hi

I copied the film off of the television a couple of years ago (more like four or five)
the film was going to be based on a floating island in the Amazon and John Wayne was going to play a big white hunter type of role.
Sam Fuller had the concept of an opening shot where a huge bird swoops down to eat something in the river and in turn is killed by an alligator or crocodile and this sequence was actually shot.
Its an interesting bit of memorabilia, for a John Wayne fan not much else.

Regards

Arthur