Do any of you well informed people know of any hard feelings between the Duke and Eastwood. I have heard that Wayne didn't want to act with Eastwood because he thought that Eastwood was sending out the wrong messege with those anti-hero roles such as The Man With No Name and The Stranger in High Plains Drifter and so on... Any comments would be helpful...

-Thanks

John T Chance :rolleyes:
First I would like to welcome you to board :unsure:
You will find that you have the best and most honest collection of John Wayne fans here :huh:
Second on your question between the Duke and Eastwood B) That topic has been brought up here a few times :unsure: If you look at the board a little more you will find your answer :huh: As I go through the board today if I find it I will put a link here for you :o

Monique ;)

Thank you for the warm welcome Monique. :D I'm a big time fan of the Duke(however I haven't seen all of his movies) and am looking forward to participating on the board.

Looks like you guys have yourselves a wonderful web board here. ;)

Monique, I may be wrong here but something tells me that you like smilies. :P

In the book "The Western Reader" by Kitses & Rickman, you'll find an extended interview with Clint in which he talks freely about his western image, directing films like Unforgiven, and why Wayne once discussed High Plains Drifter with him (Wayne sensed that Eastwood could fill his boots, so he wanted give him some advice on good westerns - Clint didn't get it. Or maybe it was the other way around). Good reading throughout, interview with other western icons as well.

I suppose it wouldnt do any harm to input on this topic a few of the things that Clint said about the Duke and vice versa as the topic was only skimmed before.

B)

John T. Chance,

Let me add my WELCOME to you, to the John Wayne Message Board! What a great picture of the Duke you have as part of your signature.

Itdo, if you have more you can share on this, we'd all love to hear it.

Chester

Nope, s'all said in that similar post about Clint VS. JW, don't have more info about that.

I suspected that might be the case. Thanks, itdo, for confirming. :rolleyes:

Chester

Welcome to the board, John T. Chance. Your input will only add to our group. Great to have another fan in our midst. Looking foward to hearing from you. dukefan1

Thanks for all the responces everyone... :D So far all I have come up with on the internet is that John Wayne was so offended by Eastwood's High Plains Drifter's harshly revisionist view of a frontier town that he wrote to Eastwood, objecting that this was not what the spirit of the West was all about. I guess I could see were the Duke would be offended. Eastwood rapes a women and guns down three heavys all in the first 15 minutes of the movies. I'm a fan of both Eastwood and Wayne and I wish they could have seen eye to eye and could have seen them work together but I guess it just wasn't meant to be...

Thanks for the info on the book itdo. I will check it out...

Once again, great board here... B)

some info for the Eastwood fan - maybe you already know:
just a couple of days back, Eastwood's guns from The Outlaw Josey Wales were auctioned:
here's what they got for one of them:

Clint Eastwood blank-firing pistol from The Outlaw Josey Wales – $11,800.00

It's really sad to see this happen. This is the second time in less than a year that the same company has sold a gun that they claimed was in the movie The Outlaw Josey Wales. The first was back in December and they claimed that an 1860 Army Colt was used in the movie by Eastwood's character. Now they claim that this 1859 New Army Remington was used in the movie. They are gravely mistaken on both accounts. Josey Wales carrys four guns thoughout the movie. Two Walker Colts in his hip holsters, an 1861 Navy Colt as his belt gun and a 1848 Pocket Dragoon in his shoulder holster. It burns me up that this place is getting away with this crap...

Here is the picture of the Remington they claim was used in the movie and sold to some poor soul for that silly price:
http://www.profilesinhistory.com/auction/2148_0001.jpg
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...item=2182151732 (http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=28269&item=2182151732)

This is Josey's belt gun, an 1861 Navy Colt:
http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/images/2569-18.jpg

And here are the famous Walker Colts he carries at his side:
http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/images/2569-20.jpg

Sorry to get off topic but I feel strongly about this company misleading people into thinking they are getting something used in the movie and they are not! :angry:

John T. Chance :rolleyes:
Your knowledge on firearms is quite impressive B) Thats what makes this board so great :P All these impressive minds working together gathering and passing information :D

Monique ;)

John T

Your right about one thing if the gun in the top picture of yours was sold as ome used in "The outlaw Josey Wales" then the customer was ripped off this is clearly not what was used in the film it looks more like a toy.

B)

Originally posted by Monique@Aug 13 2003, 12:25 PM
John T. Chance :rolleyes:
Your knowledge on firearms is quite impressive B) *Thats what makes this board so great :P *All these impressive minds working together gathering and passing information :D

Monique ;)
As I read John T. Chance's post, I had almost exactly the same thoughts as Monique, then I scrolled down, and she'd already said what I was about to post, so I guess all I can say is

Ditto!

This forum is truly a wealth of highly informed folks - I am constantly awed by it.

Chester

I just read some extracts from "Clint bio" where there were some unflattering things wrote about John Wayne like Clint didnt like being compared to him and he didnt like Duke critiseing his movies etc of course it may not have been true but it could be.

B)

I don't think Eastwood harbors any negitive feelings on Wayne, quite frankly, I think that he respects the Duke to an extent. Here is an article a friend passed on to me about Eastwood and the Duke:

Quote:
PLAYBOY: Ultimately, your career will be judged by the evolution of your Western heroes. It seems that your characters are not part of a routine struggle between good versus evil; rather, the Westerns you have directed are highly existential and the question of what separates good and evil is raised to the highest level in Unforgiven. How should we understand the difference between the realism in your Westerns and those of John Wayne?

EASTWOOD: I'll tell you a story just so we can demystify the difference between John Wayne and me. It has nothing to do with existentialism. Don Siegel was making a western with John Wayne.

At one point, a guy shoots at Wayne, misses, and leaves the room, thinking Wayne is dead. Siegel tells Wayne: "Okay, now you get up and shoot the guy as he's leaving." Wayne refuses to do the scene the way Siegel wants. "I can't do that," he says. "A cowboy with any self-respect can't shoot another man in the back, even an enemy."

So Siegel gets annoyed and tells him, "Oh yeah? Well, Eastwood would have shot the guy."

Australian Playboy, July 1993, p. 25

John T. Chance,
Welcome to the board. I've retired with 21 years in the infantry and one can clearly see you know your weapons.

Brian
Tulalip Wa

In the question were Clint and JW sour at each other? I can add this:
they certainly did spend time together.
I just read the December issue of "The Trail Beyond", the Tim Lilley Book, with an interview with JW's grandson (by his daughter Melinda):

"I remember when Clint Eastwood was up-and-coming, he brought one of his early films for my grandfather to wacht. He was very unassuming and down-to-earth..."

I can just see them sitting there, watching one of Clint's early spaghetti westerns, and JW telling this new cowpoke: "Aaaaaw, Clint - did ye have to shoot him in the back?!" :P

Reading a lot of these posts, I have come to a conclusion that tells me the main difference between Duke and Clint.

Duke was man enough to face anyone, eye to eye. Never back down, and feared nothing, or at least to anyone who faced him. Duke had the bravery to look you as he killed you.

As for Clint, he didn't necessary look anyone in the eye, which can be sometimes interperated as a coward. Clint shot those without any thought of any conscience in his decisions.

Just my take in this topic. Subject that can be debated of course. But consider that this is only the movies.

Cheers, Hondo B)

Hondo

Duke shot at leat 20 men in the back but he always gave them a fair chance. The main difference that I can find between the two is that I like Clint bit Duke is far better than him.

By the way Roland what was the movie that Clint and Duke watched and what was Dukes take on the movie.

B)

Hello All
I would appreciate more feedback on the guns. murray

Originally posted by kilo 6@Apr 16 2006, 06:12 PM
Hello All
* * * * * I would appreciate more feedback on the guns.* murray
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Good Luck on getting anymore info from John T. Chance as he has not been active since Dec. 05. I think this topic might do better if Reasr or Chilibill added some of there knowledge, if they have any on Clint's guns.