As the discussion about deleted scenes goes on, here's one from the Shooting script of THE COWBOYS.

There is another one in the script, in which Wil Andersen explains his hands how to use a bandana (this scene is significant because they use his own bandana later on to mark his grave) but we don't know if it was actually filmed or abandoned before that. And there's one in which Cimarron and Wil encounter a bear - there are stills of that one, as well (a video company even used one on the cover of a VHS, isn't that ironic).

What we do know is that the following scene - the meeting of Wil Andersen and the indians - was actually shot - the reherseal for it is shown in the Video "Behind the Scenes with the Duke", and there's a great color shot of it in the book "Great Hollywood Westerns" (no Hondo, you don't have to buy it just because I mention it here :D ). Anyway, I thought the written scene might be of interest to those who are looking for "lost" scenes:

This scene occurs right after they put Charlie under; Cimarron has seen an Indian.

CIMARRON
Break out the guns! there's Indians!

He points. Everyone follows his gesture.

LONG SHOT
The horizon is lined with them. Three painted warriors, looking ferocious, with slivers of bone piercing their noses, break away from the others and begin trotting toward hem.

CAMP SITE

JEBEDIAH
Where's Mr Andersen?

CIMARRON
He went on south, looking for strays. Get the guns.

JEBEDIAH
Now just settle down. Nobody's going to do any shooting. We'll talk and listen. (looks around) Who can talk with his hands.

CIMARRON
I can.

JEBEDIAH
(firmly)
Politely. Don't try to get in front of them.
(pauses)
Who'll be the third. We'll need three.

Slims steps forward, pale but determined.

EXT. RANGE - EVENING
Wil is pushing three cows over the last hill between him and camp. As he goes up the slope, the sunset is revealed in glory of blood-red and orange. At the top the stops and stares.

ANOTHER ANGLE
On the plain beneath him, Wil sees the hundred Indians, his own boys against the sunset, and the two parties at parley in between. (more description about the situation, then:)

ANOTHER ANGLE
All eyes are on Wil as, with studied casualness, he slides up beside Cimarron.

WIL
They don't look too happy. What have you said so far?

CIMARRON
I just asked 'em who they are and where they're going.

WIL
That's enough to get us all killed right there. What do they want?

FIRST WARRIOR
Cow.

Everyone reacts in surprise at the English.

FIRST WARRIOR
Hunger in the tents. Many cold. Children die.

CIMARRON
If they're hungry, let' em eat their horses.

WIL
That's enough!
(turns back to the Indians)
If you're through talking to a boy. ask your chief to come parley with a man.

The braves watch his face closely,then suddenly wheel and race away.

JEBEDIAH
Boys, when you decide to get people killed, ask 'em first.

CIMARRON
(bursting out)
They're just savages. You gotta stand up to them.

WIL
You say one more thing to rile them and I'll knock you out of that saddle, you hear?

CIMARRON
We'd parley a hell of a lot better wearing our guns!

WIL
Sonny, if you shot off your gun the way you do your mouth, we'd all be in hell before morning.

RANGE
A small procession comes their way. (description how Chief Joseph looks, then:)

JOSEPH
I am Chief Joseph.

WIL
I am Wil Andersen.

JOSEPH
These are my people the Nez Perce. I am taking them to a new home, if we escape your army.

WIL
I'm taking my beef to the market. The black man is my brother, the boys are my helpers.
(pauses)
How many are you?

JOSEPH
Not as many as we were. Hunger has claimed some, battle has claimed some.

WIL
Take the cattle you need.

CIMARRON
Give 'em the cows and they'll come back for your scalp!

Wil's am sweeps through the air and knocks the boy out of the saddle. He gets up slowly, nursing his jaw. Joseph obeserves the discipline with recognition.

JOSEPH
You have a wild son.

WIL
He can be a handfull.

JOSEPH
I, too, have sons that don't obey.

WIL
Yeah, they get away from us.

JOSEPH
When our children are small they are tied in the saddle and we lead the horses. Soon they are good riders; they ride alone. We no longer lead them, they lead us...

WIL
Well, I'm not ready to drop back just yet.

JOSEPH
I would be grateful for 20 cows.

WIL
Cut out twenty-five.

The Indian raises his hand in salute as he reins away.

ANOTHER ANGLE
As the four turn toward camp Wil suddenly finds Cimarron at his side, as though suing for a private moment.

CIMARRON
He said I was your son.

WIL
Yeah?

CIMARRON
You didn't say I wasn't.

WIL
That's right.

Wil spurs ahead. Cimarron wathces him go, suddenly feeling sheltered by the acceptance.

Here the scene would dissolve to the scene where the chuck-wagon looses a wheel. Well - a lenghty scene, but very important for the relationship Wil/Cimarron. And another scene which would have shown that JWs parts showed dignity when it came to Indians - contrary to his image.

Roland

I really enjoyed reading that and would have loved to seen that in the movie, I think if I came across it I would want it inserted in the movie as I do feel that the current version of "The Cowboys" does not have enough bonding between Duke and the boys. I seen a still of John knocking Cimarron of his horse. There is also a still at the back of UK VCR covers of Duke shooting, I wonder where this came from.

Duke also filmed a sequence for "The Cowboys" what was it and what happened to it.

B)

Roland, thanks for sharing that. That scene in the script is in the book The Cowboys by William Jennings. I highly recommend to this board that another great enjoyment to being a Duke fan is to read the books that his movies were made from. They are enjoyable and give you insight to how they form it into a movie. Some remain the same, some differ slightly while a few are almost a different story all together. I love Shepherd Of The Hills so I bought the book off ebay and read it. The book is totally different then the movie but has the same characters. It was interesting to see the differences. In the book Red River , Tom Dunson dies. Same with The Searchers . Ethan is killed in the village attack near the end of the movie. I am glad they changed those endings for the movie! You can get these books off ebay usually for around $10. Just a thought to share with the gang. dukefan1

Dukefan1 what is the name of the book "The Searchers" is based on I've tried looking for it with no luck. Where abouts can I purchase.

Thanks in advance.

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Robbie, I PM'd you, but you left befor I got done typing. So here is the place to find The Searchers by Alan Le May. Go to Alibris (http://www.alibris.com) which is a used book site and type in The Searchers and Alan Le May's name into the search bar on the upper left. It shows several copies for sale at the great price of $2.95. Can't beat that! Hope this helps ya. I was surprised to see that Alan Le May was also the author of The Unforgiven . He is a great western writer. dukefan1

itdo :rolleyes:
You never stop amazing me with the information that you post :stunned:

Monique :chickawow:

I have a still from "Red River" of Tom Dunson surveying his domain. He is sitting in front of his horse with a rifle in his hand, anyone know anything more about this scene.

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I'm bringing this topic to the top again for some fresh input on deleted scenes.

I asked Mike(Hondo) this question he thinks the likely answer is no and he is probably correct but does anyone think that it is possible to uncover any deleted scenes in Dukes movies.

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Robbie,

There was a tv documentry one the filming of "The Cowboys". I've seen it when it aired during the movies release. It's the same one that's on the DVD, "The Cowboys". Half of the boys used in the movie were real cowboys hired from local ranches. They taught the other boys who were from Hollywood how to ride and rope cattle.

The still of Wayne knocking Cimmaron off his horse is from a scence from the movie. It's also in my DVD movie.

I do know that a lot of deleted scenes are used for trailers and tv ads. I agree it would be nice to find them if possible and include them on the DVDs.

Just saw the trailer for "The Undefeated" for the first time and there's a shot of Rock Hudson being lifted out of the saddle by a rope which was swung from a tree when he rode unter it. Looks like a missing action moment (by night), it probably was supposed to be in the part after Col. Langdon is sent to ask Wayne to deliver the horses and arrives there exhausted after a long ride.

Roland + others

I hope I'm not annoying anyone wiyh my questions on this topic its just that its one of my favourite.

Regarding three films that I really like of the Duke namely-

1. McQ
2. Big Jake
3 Brannigan

Do any of you know of any cut scenes from these movies.

Baron I'm just a little confusd by your earlier post are you saying that Duke knocking Cimarron off his horse is in the actual movie. Hope you don't mind clearing this up for me.

Thanks in advance.

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Thanks to Chesters link to all them JW photos I have discovered that there was a scene deleted from Mcq it must have been Stan Boyles funeral.

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Just got my copy of Tim Lilley's annual "Trail Beyond", and, as always, it's a treat. Editor Tim managed to get Paul Helmick, author of "Cut, Print and That's a Wrap" to talk more about Hatari! - and there really was more to tell than what he had to say in his book. What I found of particular interest is the interview Tim did with Maureen O'Hara, at one point she tells us about deleted scenes in both
WINGS OF EAGLES (her character is addicted to alcohol, but the real-life children of Minnie objected, so they cut out that portion), and
BIG JAKE (as it was always rumored, there are more scenes with Martha - Maureen says they cut out a lot in the middle part of the film).

I always felt that Maureen O'Hara was cut out of Big Jake. Doesn't make any sense that she would appear in that movie and not be back again. I thought maybe she was busy doing something else and wasn't available, or even sick and they cut scenes because they couldn't finish her parts. It would be interesting to know what was cut and be able to put it in a director's cut movie (that's for you Robbie). :rolleyes:

Cheers, Hondo B)

Thanks for that Hondo

Itdo do you have any more detail as to what scenes were cut from Big Jake I'm particulary interested in scenes with Duke and action scenes.

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No more usable info on that.
I've read that originally it was planned to have the family return to Martha at the end. And then there must be the segments Maureen herself is talking about right now, from the middle of the picture - her interview is in the recent release of "The Trail Beyond", Volume V (it was released this Christmas), by Tim Lilley.

I would strongly suggest that we all do not bother Mr. Wayne's co-stars with questions like that. I know I have said that before about the Wayne family because I feel there still are a lot of co-stars kind enough to answer a fan who wishes for an autograph, or will even answer a question about working with JW IF they are not overwhelmed with questions. Let's not spoil that with questions they absolutely cannot answer. Please. An actor is hired to do an acting's job. He certainly isn't concerned with distributing things unless he owns a piece of it. We have pointed out before that you must go to the original distributor or the one who owns the right since that. It's difficult in the case of "Big Jake" - it was produced and released through the short-lived (now I forgot the name, you'll see that in the titles). Go from there. When a title is sold, the original copy goes with it in most cases. If you really want to find out, you'll have to go all the way, Robbie.

Do not underestimate the storage problem. Aside from the sheer size it must be stored under special conditions (air, temperature, etc). I myself work at a TV station as a director of commercials, and while I'm not trying to compare my job or that station with anything Hollywood, I can tell you that only shots I absolutely know will be used again go into the archive. We're doing the job for the audience of TODAY and must cut corner everywhere, and are not concerned if anything is regarded as a masterpiece 50 years from now and should be preserved. The way Maureen says it in the Trail Beyond interview, she couldn't say more than that she remembers there were more scenes. She certainly doesn't keep them at her cellar in Ireland (which would mean, in that climate, that the material detoriated long ago). OK?