Hi gang this is my list of the worst cowboys.
1.ERROL FLYNN
2.HUMPHRY BOGART
3.JAMES CAGNEY
4.ROBERT TAYLOR
5.TYRONE POWER
THAT'S IT SO FAR WHATS YOURS?
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The only one to come to mind for me is Sharon Stone. Over-rated movie. Even spagettie westerns were better than her cowgirl flick. But thats just me. :rolleyes:

Naw Chance,Bob Taylor did a dozen westerns in 17 years that proved he was a giant in the genre.I won't squabble about your other picks but Bob earned his spurs and even Duke would have said that Bob Taylor knew what he was doing in westerns.Duke who was in charge of Batjac and would have overseen the developement of the Hondo t.v.series and Duke had him in Hondo and the Apaches.Bob went from pretty boy MGM adonis and with the passing of time,the sun and cigarettes those piercing,strilking handsome features became a road map of lines.Bob Taylor was the west and he lived it and loved it.He played an outlaw,a Native American,a wagon master,a gunslinger,a comical coonskin hat fronteirsman,a lawman,a cattle baron and a riveting,chilling deranged Indian and Buffalo hater.He took over Death Valley Days after Ronnie Reagan left to become a political force and starred in half a dozen episodes.He even flew to Spain to make a very good flintlock pampas western.He owned his own ranch and was an excellent horseman.His death was at least 25 years premature in my book and I think highly of him and I'll bet old Duke did too.The rest Chance,whether they gave credible performances in westerns or not I won't defend,but Bob Taylor became the west.

Check out Robert Taylor in "Ambush" almost as good as a John Wayne western... ;)

Hi Fellas Robert Taylor maybe a good actor but i don't see him as a cowboy just my personal choice SORRY!! :stunned:

Alan Ladd. I just don't like him in "SHANE". I mean, Shane is a great movie, but I really can't see Ladd in cowboy-clothes :dead: :stunned: He's probably too thin lol :D Oh God I think everyone was ugly in that movie. Even Jean Arthur! :dead: :D :P

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I do agree with Humphry Bogart, even he agreed with it also. He stayed with the gangster movies which he did well in. :)

I would also say that Rock Hudson was not that good either, and he should stay with romantic comedies. :wacko:

Fred MacMurray did a western once, but I can't remember what it was. I saw it and it was not good at all. Stay with comedy, and drama. :ph34r:

Gregeroy Peck; good actor, but doesn't fit in the western gerne, he should stay with drama, and suspense. :stunned:

I'll thing of others, and report later.

Cheers, Hondo B)

SAW ONE THE OTHER DAY IT HAD CLARK GABLE IN THE STARRING ROLE DIABOLICAL.
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Yes Hondo and Chance and Slugaholic I see your points of view.But Fred MacMurray,Alan Ladd and Rock each made a dozen westerns,and nearly all thirty six of them made money.Between 1953 and 1959 Duke had four westerns out,all classics.Fred had nine westerns out in those six years but of course they are all forgotten.It was Disney that took Fred out of the saddle.Alan Ladd had the classic Shane and a very good one that critics liked too entitled The Proud Rebel.Alan was even an extra in Hell Town with Duke and Johnny Mack Brown.Rock did well in The Undefeated and eleven other westerns and sat a horse better than Ladd or MacMurray.Gable was King and the Duke knew it.The Tall Man was a Raul Walsh epic and Gable used Duke's stuntman Chuck Roberson.It's sad that Ladd was gone by age fifty.He brought a quiet,understated,golden angelic aura to Shane.Nobody else could have played him that way.Certainly not Monty Clift who was considered for it.Alan had his demons and who knows,if he hadn't seen his mother commit suicide and he had been four inches taller he might have lived to die this year.It seems everyone is passing on this year.Greg Peck did and old Duke groused the rest of his life that Peck beat him out for The Gunfighter.I can find goodness in many stars,but I am older and watched many of these westerns in the last forty years.I like Bob Taylor,Greg Peck,Alan Ladd,Fred MacMurray and Rock,plus many,many more.But I love John Wayne an awful lot too.

Just so nobody will hurt his eyes looking for Alan Ladd in Wayne's "Helltown": He's not in it. That's an old mistake that keeps popping up to this day. Yet it has been prooved he isn't (not even as an extra, which he was at the time). I just received my Helltown-DVD, and Ladd's name is put prominently next to Wayne's. But after all, the classic gunfighter of the Fifties, Shane, never co-starred with that classic western-star of the century.

Yes Itdo,John Wayne was the classic,best remembered movie cowboy of the Twentieth Century.It remains to the individual what the greatest western was.To director Steven Spielberg it will be The Searchers.To Woody Allen it would be Shane.I know that HellTown will not show a frame to the naked eye of Alan Ladd,but he had a small role in it.After Ladd became a star with This guns for hire in 42,HellTown was rereleased by Paramount and they padded it with more Ladd footage,a version that we will never see today which means we might have lost a scene or two with Duke that we will never see also.Their was a sad magnetism in Ladd as a buckskin clad knight in Shane who knew he was doomed and the fact that you can never go back.Duke could not have played Shane and Ladd could not have carried The Searchers.John Ford would have chewed up all five foot six inches of Alan and spit him out then went back to chewing his hankie.

Hello, Quirt
In my opinion, Shane is up there with the 10 Best - and I always wondered how Wayne would have tackled the role. Stevens' style in composing and cutting is simply wonderful, even after the 10th viewing, and it certainly is quite different from, say, John Ford. While Ford made it look like everything just happens while he just happens to have a camera there, Stevens' frames look very concious. Anyway, that's the first time I heard about the Alan Ladd-story in Helltown that way - what is to source to that version? Sources have been checked and re-checked before, and I think right know they agree on it being a mistake. Couldn't this be a case like the William Holden starring in The Longest Day case? (he was signed for the Wayne-part and they started printing the press releases, so in some books, even today, Holden stars in The Longest Day).

Well I learned something then too itdo because I didn't know Bill Holden was up for Dukes part.I do know that Holden was first pick for the Van Heflin role in Shane tho.Go to American Movie Classics and type in Helltown.In the left hand bottom corner it has a segment entitled,Did you know!If AMC doesn't know the truth well then nobody does.

Yes, as you probably know, as far as Wayne was concerned, Zanuck could take his picture and... and while this was going on, there were actually other stars interested in what was probably the part with the most meat in the whole film. Charlton Heston writes in his biography "In the Arena" that he was hoping for the part - but even with his kind of star power he had to stand aside when Zanuck got Wayne.
But about Ladd in "Hell Town" - I'm not yet sold on the idea that he really really was in in to begin with (not that I don't trust AMC - but I don't trust the Internet authors!) Variety and another movie magazine of the day actually named Alan Ladd in the role of "prospector". But since then film scholars pointed out that he never was. Probably his name was attached at some point to the picture - but as B-movies go, they were there to just make money. And when they re-released "Born to the West" as Helltown (after Ladd had made his "This Gun For Hire") they just put him on the marquee. Of course they would not check first if he was actually in it. If some footage got lost or replaced or whatever - isn't it kind of funny that those scenes are just the ones in which unknown Alan Ladd appeared?

:headbonk: I have one saw it the other day, not a typical western film but...
Richard Bejamin in West World!! All though Yul was good Richards role was most disturbing!!

chuckie chezze

Drew Barrymore would top my list, as does Kevin Costner.

If I say that Drew's private,partying lifestyle throughout the 90's has an effect on me personally,then such feelings would quite naturally have to extend to a star's political leanings,preferred sexuality and whether or not they called their dear old grey haired momma every day or not and told her that they loved her.It's what's up on the screen in the end that matters and what counts and no woman in the last twenty years has sat a horse on the big screen the way Drew rode that palomino.It was Kevin's success with Dances with Wolves that jumpstarted Clint who had been holding on to a script for a dozen years called Unforgiven to decide the time was right to film it.I have read message board after message board in the past year that predicted another flop for Kevin with his western Open Range and remarks concerning his attitude.In the end,Kevin fooled them.These same people would finally allow and grudgingly to boot that it was Robert Duval that saved it.The truth is that Kevin did an outstanding job and the truth is that again Kevin directed a nineteenth century piece that showed a profit.Kevin already owns another wertern that he wants to film and I wish him luck.The saddest portrayal of an actor in a western is by a man who had won an Academy Award and that is Broderick Crawford.Brod as the villain was teamed with star Audie Murphy in The Texican and he is truly a hair dyed,overweight,stiff,cartoon that is either drunk or with a hangover in every frame.Brod had fallen on hard times and middle age and he telephoned in his performance.

Guess I poked a bear here. I could care less how Drew Barrymore has lived her life. Frankly, I'm glad that she has got her act together and reduced her risk of following in the footsteps of her ancestors early deaths. That didn't form my opinion of her. My opinion was formed by the way she looked uncomfortable in the whole movie, and didn't deliver that good of a preformance, in my opinion. That's what we're talking about here, is people's opinions.

As for Costner. I didn't say he couldn't act, nor did I say he hasn't turned in some impressive perfomances. Dances With Wolves is one of my favorites, as is Bull Duram. I even like The Postman. I can't judge Open Range because I haven't seen it. What I can say is that the role he played as Jake in Silverado made him and the charector look like a dork, again, in my opinion.

Are both of the people I mentioned good actors? yes, some of the best. The roles they chose in this case weren't the best, nor did they pull them off the best.

Interesting to see that while in the US Costner is considered to be going downhill, he is still held in the highest regards in Europe. I really believe the media and bad publicity harmed lots of his films. Look for instance at Waterworld. They killed the movie even before they had seen it, simply for its costs. The movie actually recouped all of that and more, doing very well in Europe - and I believe it to be a great adventure yarn. Look at "Wyatt Earp". There go Costner and Kasdan and make a western, historically accurat (even down to the last dialogue spoken in Tombstone, if you're really into that OK-Corral-story you'll know they hit it on the head). The western genre always suffered from critics who said it's un-realistic. Do a realistic western and they bury you as well. Then Costner states himself he likes doing films "for Americans, for us", and he does films such as For The Love of the Game, et cetera. He simply doesn't plan his career in terms of box-office! Message in a Bottle - ever saw a love-story with a more down-beat ending (with the possible exception of "Love Story") - I say that takes guts. And it was a wonderful movie for it. The Postman (even though I must admit I'm the only one I know) I liked for its symbolic plot, for the great photography - just well done science fiction. When I went to see Silverado (again, I was the only one - nobody else wanted to come) I couldn't take my eyes off Costner - I knew he would be around for some time now. Thirteen Days? You don't make a film like this and hope for a blockbuster. That's what I like with Costner. He makes films he thinks can be good. Not films he think will make money. But in the long run, they always do.

Hi gang you've had the best westerns now's your choice of the worst.
here's a starter
1.SMOKE SIGNAL(1952 DANA ANDREWS)
2.WELCOME TO HARD TIMES(1967 GOOD STARS BUT IN MY MIND A POOR PICTURE HENRY FONDA DIRECTED BY BURT KENNEDY)
3.ALL ERROL FLYNN'S WESTERN'S :stunned:

Hi Chance

Two films spring to mind immediately without even giving it much thought:-

RED GARTERS (1954) with Guy Mitchell, Rosemary Clooney and Jack Carson it was so bad it was funny.

But the worst of all
THE OKLAHOMA KID (1939) wITH JAMES cAGNEY AND HUMPHREY BOGART
That film was just bad

Regards
Arthur

A bad western? Hmmm..............Never heard of one, J/K!!!

I must come to the rescue of Robin Hood: Flynn did so well in Raoul Walsh's "They Died With Their Boots On". And "San Antonio" I gotta like because it has such a great Alamo replica. ;)

High Plains Drifter

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You know Robbie, as much as I like Clint in alot of movies, I was thinking of that one as well. It just seems like it was too "out there" at times, ie wierd.

Billy the Kid versus Dracula (1966)
Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter (1966)
God's Gun (1975)
Trigger Fast (1994)
Wild Wild West (1999)

These are pretty bad. You figure. I saw 4 of them, and was told that other was the worst. I'm sure this could be a close contest as the biggest waste of film made.

Cheers, Hondo B)

I have to agree with you guys. I don't really care for the spagetti westerns that Clint Eastwood made. I also don't like many of the really old black and white westerns. They are sooooo corny. I know this will make me the minority, and I know they were the start of westerns, I just think a lot of them are silly.

stacy

Originally posted by itdo@Jan 10 2004, 10:00 AM
Flynn did so well in Raoul Walsh's "They Died With Their Boots On".
itdo,

We gotta agree with you on that one! After seeing and immensely enjoying Robin Hood, we stumbled upon They Died with Their Boots On at the video store, and were very pleased. CHANCE, have you actually seen that movie? I haven't seen any other Errol Flynn westerns, so can't comment there.

One that stands out in my mind as BAD was The Tall T, with Randolph Scott. What a stinker! <_<

Chester :newyear:

Hi Chester i have seen this movie and thought it quite good but i didnb't class it as a classic western it was mainly his roles in western such as DODGE CITY,SANTA FE TRAIL and others :stunned:

:cowboy: The reason I ask this is because, the one I think should take the cake for the lousiest ever made was played on TCM last night and was called: White Comanchie w/ William Shatner as twins--one of which was the White Comanchie.

The Magnificent Seven Ride ranks pretty high for me, I also though Lee Marvins oscar winning movie Cat Balou was rubbish.

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:cowboy: Hi Robbie, good choices there as well. White Comanchie must have been on an extremely low budget. They filmed in Spain which I guess was OK but they did not put much mney into props etc.

William Shatner was on hiatus from doing the Star Trek TV series when he made this film. His performance was easily not as well done as his acting was in Star Trek. Also, the dubbing was lousy as well as the editing and continuity. Normally I do not pay attention to such things as that but when even I can notice the flubs that this movie was made up of, I have to draw the line.

It's no wonder that that movie was often touted as being rarely seen. Oh well, I thought i'd give watching it a chance. I did and I regretted it. :headbonk: :dead:

I made it up by watching Arrowhead again. :D

McKenna's Gold starring Gregory Peck. Peck did a great job of acting but it had a terrible story line to it i thought.

Mckennas gold was certinally disjointed and also quite borring.

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Originally posted by InHarmsWay@Jan 30 2005, 10:20 AM
McKenna's Gold starring Gregory Peck. Peck did a great job of acting but it had a terrible story line to it i thought.
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It's true that the film "McKenna's Gold" wasn't a very good movie but the story itself is fascinating. I have a book titled "Coronado"s Children" by J. Frank Dobie which recounts legends and tales of lost mines and buried treasures in the old West. McKenna's Gold is in that book and supposedly is about a lost canyon of gold somewhere in northwest New Mexico. Really a fascinating story. I'm kind of a romantic and when I was much younger, daydreamed of going to look for some of those lost gold mines.

Originally posted by Stumpy@Jan 30 2005, 02:54 PM
It's true that the film "McKenna's Gold" wasn't a very good movie but the story itself is fascinating. I have a book titled "Coronado"s Children" by J. Frank Dobie which recounts legends and tales of lost mines and buried treasures in the old West. McKenna's Gold is in that book and supposedly is about a lost canyon of gold somewhere in northwest New Mexico. Really a fascinating story.* I'm kind of a romantic and when I was much younger, daydreamed of going to look for some of those lost gold mines.

After thinking about it for awhile, I decided I'd made a mistake in my reference to "McKenna's Gold", so I did some research. The actual name for the lost canyon of gold (upon which the movie was based) was "The Lost Adams Diggings" and it wasn't in Dobie's book "Coronado's Children" but in his similar book "Apache Gold and Yacqui Silver". This (http://store.goldfeverprospecting.com/loaddipa1.html) gives some of the background concerning the "Lost Adams Diggings".

Billy The Kid vs Dracula
Jesse James meets Frankensteins Daughter

Since you said "watched " ...........I couldn't make it thru White Comanche, I'll name this one...... Lust in the Dust with Tab Hunter
IMdb (http://imdb.com/title/tt0089523/)



Rick

:cowboy: Hi Stumpy, Phantom/Rick.

Phantom, I have heard of those movies before but never have seen them. I do see what you mean though by just the movie titles saying it all.

Rick, I have heard the title you poeted but never saw this one either. I read some reviews on it and will never watch this movie. Devine--why is that name familiar??????? Wasn't that person a cross-dresser or something?

You know, I put a lot of thought in this question, and in my mind listed bad westerns. I know that this is movies I've seen, and most that were listed, I haven't seen. But one that keeps crossing my mind has to be Western World with Yul Brynner. That has to be the wrost movie I've ever seen, and Brynner doing it surprises me so much, but you know that it happens.

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Cheers B)

:cowboy: I remember this movie as well. One of the first times I ever got to stay up past 10 PM was when this movies was playing. Being a kid at that time, I never really gave it much thought as a bad movie but, as a strange one. If I recall correctly, I think there was another of this type movie made that was actually worse. :D

Hi Ringo -

You're probably thinking of "Futureworld" which was a sequel of sorts to "Westworld." Had an entirely different cast, save for Yul Brynner. Actually, the concepts were OK, just caught the usual Hollywood disease.

Cheers - Jay :lol:

:cowboy: Hi Jay, that was it Futureworld. I seem to recall that I did not like that one at all though its been many years since I last saw it. I agree with ya about hollywood as well.

I wonder when the movie: The Battle of the Bulge is released, I wonder if it will be the entire movie or butchered like it is when its played on TV stations. Reason I mention this is because when always aired, they usually delete the scens with Ty Hardin posing as a G.I. Lieutenant faking his commando raid on the German high commands HQ, and they also always delete the scenew where Robert Shaw (Col Hessler) and Hans-Christian Bleth (His Sergeant) are meeting the new Panzer commanders for the first time and the blonde guy who looks a bit like Martin milner, starts singing The Panzerlied (German tankers song)

Interesting enough, when shown on German TV, they usually try to get the scene out where the Nazis shoot the Allied prisoners - but the Panzerlied stays untouched.

Originally posted by Jay J. Foraker@Feb 1 2005, 05:58 PM


You're probably thinking of "Futureworld" which was a sequel of sorts to "Westworld."* .


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Another thought on these two movies (which BTW weren't too bad, to my way of thinking) - "Westworld" had all the conflicts arising from some sort of malise in the system while "Futureworld" had these coming about intentionally by the villains trying to take control of governments around the world by introducing simalicrons under their control which were exact duplicates of world leaders.

Regards - Jay ^_^

:cowboy: Hi Itdo, that is interesting to hear about German TV but, I shouldn't be so surprised as well. Talk to any older German (preferably one who lived through WWII ) and they will tell you that modern Germany is nothing like they remembered--meaning teaching about their recebt history and that they have such an influx of immigrants there.

Mike

Westworld was a pretty good choice, I was watching it the other night on BBC one and I fond it to be far from the masterpiece many claim it to be.

Byrner is good enough as the out of control robot but there are scenes in which he smiles etc which are more appropriate for sadistic bad guys than out of control robots. I never realised that he is a small guy because the first time we see him is when he enters the bar and he's a lot smaller than many others in the bar. The acting in the movie is poor the plot is slow to unravel and there is never any real danger of Brynner killing the lead actor. The best scene in the movis for me was when Brynner is standing against a pole in the side of the street confronts one of the lead actors and guns him down to everybodies amazement.

With regards to Futureworld its been a while since I seen it but its awful. Byrnner(can't spell that word) has a bizarre role in it. He appears in a dream sequence of a female actress whom she fantacises about, he guns down some bad guys for her in this dream and then dances with her and thats all there is to it. :stunned:

One point of trivia the character he plays in the two of these movies is loosely based on his character Chris from the Magnificent seven in regards to them wearing the same outfit and acting in the old west.1

Another poor western I thought was the wild wild west with the usually rubbish Wil Smith I've only ever liked him in the fresh prince.

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Robbie,

A good commentary on Westworld. I wouldn't even take the time to tell the story like you did.

Another note is I agree with you on the movie, Wild, Wild West (the movie). It doesn't measure up to the TV series. I was a fan of the series in the '60s with Robert Conrad and Ross Martin. Will Smith & Kevin Kline in my opinion ruined the movie and what this series was about. I'll second your choice of that movie.

And I was seriously thinking about purchasing Wild, Wild West for my video collection. Must've been drunk! :wacko:

Cheers B)

I did, but I didn't like Westworld. Kind of hard to explain, maybe its because I am a fan of both sci-fi and westerns and I just find it hard to mix the 2.

Also, I have to agree, the new version of Wild, Wild West just plain sucked. No more comments about it because its just not worth talking about.

how bout fred macmurray or ray milland,i want to like robert taylor but the movies were forgettable

Out of the ones listed, Bogart is my nominee. But given a write-in I nominate most of the cast of Young Guns.

James Cagney, takes some beating!

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how bout fred macmurray or ray milland,

As much as I've liked Fred MacMurray in the past, I just can't visualize him
as a cowboy. After checking IMDB, sure enough, he was in several.
Glad I missed them.

Chester :newyear:

As much as I've liked Fred MacMurray in the past, I just can't visualize him
as a cowboy. After checking IMDB, sure enough, he was in several.
Glad I missed them.

Chester :newyear:
When I found out about Fred MacMurray as a cowboy, my mind kept picturing a western Absent Minded Professor... and just refused to accept him as a saddle rider.

When I found out about Fred MacMurray as a cowboy, my mind kept picturing a western Absent Minded Professor... and just refused to accept him as a saddle rider.

Yea, Visualizing a stagecoach floating down the trail . . . .

Hi

Put Bogart and Cagney in the same movie (The Oklahoma Kid) and you have the two worst actors by far in what has to be one of the worst cowboys ever made apart from Red Garters that is.

Regards

Arthur

I'm a little miffed that most recent westerns featured actors from abroad. Pierce Brosnan, Liam Neeson, Russell Crowe, Christian Bale and Viggo Mortensen come to mind. Don't we have any home grown actors who can pass in the old West?
Oh, and Cagney didn't improve much when he made Tribute to a Bad Man. He would have been better off armed with a grapefruit.




We deal in lead friend

Don't they look 'mean'!

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Everybody in this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071230/)farce with the exception of Slim Pickens.

Ive seen thoses movies pure trash i watched white comanche for 5mins turned if off.william shatner in a western no thanks.good in star trek and tj hooker

Westworld was written and directed by Michael Crichton who also penned Jurassic Park. If you think about the theme - a resort area goes amok and trapped tourists have to resourcefully fight back - Mike recycled his own idea.
When Brynner was approached to play the Gunslinger, Crichton suggested playing him like Jack Palance in Shane, but Brynner suggested Chris from Magnificent Seven to Crichton's great pleasure. The movie was shot on a miniscule budget and when the Gunslinger is stalking down the miles of corridors, you can piece together that it's the same set over and over again.
Not a bad little movie but I don't think it, or Futureworld, qualify as westerns. Note that veteran stuntman Terry Wilson plays the doomed sheriff.
For shear torture try sitting through Silent Tongue with River Phoenix.
For laughs try Terror in a Texas Town which ends in a stand off between a gunhand and a harpooneer.

We deal in lead, friend.

Another one I consider a terrible Western is one I THINK was called" A Town Called Hell? And one that I know others here love but I cant stand is: One-Eyed Jacks. I HATE that movie as much as I hate Schindlers List.

One-Eyed Jacks. I HATE that movie...

That's with Brando right? I can't stand him and dislike almost every movie he has ever made. He just grates on my nerves.

I have to string along with the Lieutenant and Ringo on this one. I never understood Brando's reputation. If I had never heard of him before The Godfather, I would have figured he was a solid supporting actor, but his history of mannerisms, misfires and boxoffice bombs distracted me from his performance. My own prejudice, but I found him annoying.
Without going to IMDB, I recall he starred in such colossal flops as Guys and Dolls, Night of the Following Day, Mutiny on the Bounty, Teahouse for the August Moon, Candy, Ugly American and many more which (thank God) escape me.
One Eyed Jacks was a huge misfire. The only smart move that Brando, as director, made was hiring Ben Johnson and Slim Pickens. I understand that when he interviewed Ben, he asked him what he thought of Jack Palance's performance in Shane. Ben replied to the effect that if it were him, he wouldn't have put gloves on before drawing his handgun.


We deal in lead, friend.

That's with Brando right? I can't stand him and dislike almost every movie he has ever made. He just grates on my nerves.

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto, Amen!

Chester :newyear:

well for me the one i hated was "the quick and the dead" with sharon stone,gene hackman,russell crowe and baby face leo dicaprio.good cast one big waste of film. ps I'am back missed you guys.

well for me the one i hated was "the quick and the dead" with sharon stone,gene hackman,russell crowe and baby face leo dicaprio.good cast one big waste of film. ps I'am back missed you guys.

And good to have you back Bill.

Have we mentioned Paleface with Bob Hope?

And good to have you back Bill.

Have we mentioned Paleface with Bob Hope?

It is good to have Bill back! I don't think Paleface was supposed to be a good western, more of a parody.

Chester :newyear:

Paleface was indeed a parody of the Western and was meant to be taken tongue in cheek.

This thread sort of morphed into what is a genuine western. I don't believe Westworld, Futureworld or Paleface land in that category. Which leads me to ask what you gents (and ladies) think of High Plains Drifter and Pale Rider. They had overtones of ghost movies that aren't traditional.
The moderators may want to start a new topic with this. Again, being a neophyte here, I hope this hasn't been covered in a thread I haven't yet found.



We deal in lead, friend.

Which leads me to ask what you gents (and ladies) think of High Plains Drifter and Pale Rider. They had overtones of ghost movies that aren't traditional.
The moderators may want to start a new topic with this. Again, being a neophyte here, I hope this hasn't been covered in a thread I haven't yet found.



We deal in lead, friend.

We do indeed have a dedicated thread about
Classic Movie Westerns- Pale Rider (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=4047)
but not High Plains Drifter

For continuity I have copied your leading question,
over to there, and moved Jim's post also.

As they are not 'Worse' Westerns, their discussion
would be better suited there.

I for one did not like Blazing Saddles I did not know it was a comedy and it was over the top for me. Having said that there were scenes that prompted a chuckle. Mongo T K O the horse etc.

I for one did not like Blazing Saddles I did not know it was a comedy and it was over the top for me. Having said that there were scenes that prompted a chuckle. Mongo T K O the horse etc.
There were positive and negative scenes in this movie, but being an old Slim Pickens fan, I'll have to say I enjoyed everything he was in.

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That's with Brando right? I can't stand him and dislike almost every movie he has ever made. He just grates on my nerves.

Yup, twas Brando. The only movie I ever saw him in that I liked-besides Superman-was the one where he played a WWII German Officer. He diddo a good job in this one and was later killed by Dean Martin-who was a GI and on a Patrol with another GI--Monty Clift-to be exact. I can't think of the title off hand but-its actually a pretty good movie and also in glorious B&W.

Yup, twas Brando. The only movie I ever saw him in that I liked-besides Superman-was the one where he played a WWII German Officer. He diddo a good job in this one and was later killed by Dean Martin-who was a GI and on a Patrol with another GI--Monty Clift-to be exact. I can't think of the title off hand but-its actually a pretty good movie and also in glorious B&W.

The name of that film is THE YOUNG LIONS. 1958.
also with HOPE LANG,BARBARA RUSH,MAXIMILIAN SCHELL AND LEE VAN CLEFF. great film.

What is the ONE worst western? Although I can think of several, the absolute worst western ever made, of all time, has got to be "Lemonade Joe". It is a Czech film, and it is so bad, that I have had it on my want list for many years. it is so bad its hilarious! You can see it on You Tube (just search for Lemonade Joe), and they have it in 10 parts. Good ol' Lemonade Joe can fall 200 feet and land on his feet. He can blow smoke "words" with his cigarette. You have just got so see this movie!

If I was to pick a runner up to the "Worst Western", it would have to be "The Terror of Tiny Town", and all midget cast. Sort of a "Munchkin Western".

If I was to pick a runner up to the "Worst Western", it would have to be "The Terror of Tiny Town", and all midget cast. Sort of a "Munchkin Western".

I have seen only bits and pieces of this film, but the concept itself seems so off-the-wall and ridiculous that I laugh just thinking about it!

one of the worst westerns i saw was shoot the sun down with margot kidder and christopher walken.i saw this film when i was about 12 years old and as i can remember it was an awful western.it is about 4 strangers walking in the desert looking for something.i cant remember anything else about the movie.

For my money I would have to nominate The Young Guns, it had the dressings of a western but it lacked the heart of a western.

one of the worst westerns i saw was shoot the sun down with margot kidder and christopher walken.i saw this film when i was about 12 years old and as i can remember it was an awful western.it is about 4 strangers walking in the desert looking for something.i cant remember anything else about the movie.
I bet it was this
Shoot the Sun Down (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083070/)

Although "The Villain" has a high-dollar cast (Kirk Douglas, Ann Margret, Arnold the Governator), it belongs on the list of worst westerns???????????, IMO.

I bet it was this
Shoot the Sun Down (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083070/)



that's the one.watched about half an hour of the movie,it was painfull

Although "The Villain" has a high-dollar cast (Kirk Douglas, Ann Margret, Arnold the Governator), it belongs on the list of worst westerns???????????, IMO.

The problem with The Villain, is that it takes its cues from the Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner cartoons and makes them extremely predictable. The movie is like a Looney Tunes paint by the numbers exercise, you can see the gags coming from a mile away.

And somehow Hal Needham made once funny gags dull and boring.

Although "The Villain" has a high-dollar cast (Kirk Douglas, Ann Margret, Arnold the Governator), it belongs on the list of worst westerns???????????, IMO.

That was the first movie that I thought of... But as I thought about it more... I did sort of enjoy it... kind of a poor attempt at a blazing saddles theme with roadrunner comedy added in.

Although "The Villain" has a high-dollar cast (Kirk Douglas, Ann Margret, Arnold the Governator), it belongs on the list of worst westerns???????????, IMO.

I saw this when it had its theatrical release and thought it rather cute and entertaining, despite the gags being telegraphed.
Its hackneyed these days but still has its moments!

Here is a vote for Heaven's Gate.

had to give this some thought... but some folks just shouldn't be in western's and the crew from the quick and the dead fit that pistol..with exception to gene hackman.. he does pretty good..

I saw this when it had its theatrical release and thought it rather cute and entertaining, despite the gags being telegraphed.
Its hackneyed these days but still has its moments!


Heh heh, wow, im surprised so many people dislike this movie. I love it because of several things including: Ann Margaret, the use of Looney Toons-like gags and such, the cast and because Paul Lynde was hilarious as the Indian Chieftan: "Nervous Elk". Nobody else could have pulled that off like he did.

One "new" worst western comes to mind. I absolutely hated: A Town Called Hell? or whateverthehellitscalled? It had Henry Fonda and Aldo Ray in it-which is the only reasons why i watched it to begin with.

Heh heh, wow, im surprised so many people dislike this movie. I love it because of several things including: Ann Margaret, the use of Looney Toons-like gags and such, the cast and because Paul Lynde was hilarious as the Indian Chieftan: "Nervous Elk". Nobody else could have pulled that off like he did.

The use of Looney Tunes gags is a pretty novel idea I'll admit, but when you can see them coming a mile away they lose their charm.

Paul Lynde is indeed great as Nervous Elk, and is one of the highlights of the movie.

I would like to nominate Dancing with Wolves but purely on a technicality as I have managed to stay awake/interested long enough to see all of it it will get a bye ball:))):

Silverado and Wyatt Earp spring to mind as possibles (there is a common thread here somewhere). However, the one that stand out with a silly title, loads of big names and is generally awful is Shalako.

I have watched it a number of times hoping it would improve with repeated viewing it doesnt.

Frisco Kid with Gene Wilder & Harrison Ford is another awful movie. TCM seem to love showing it .

I would like to nominate Dancing with Wolves

Read my post about subjective opinions, Mike. I'd be willing to bet that your opinion about "Dancing With Wolves" is so far down the minority ladder that you're never going to get to the top.

Send me the link to the post Jim

Mike

Send me the link to the post Jim

Mike

Here 'tis (http://www.dukewayne.com/showthread.php?t=2894)

A page number would be handy Jim :twitchsmile: or I might be forced to do something desperate like watch Dance with the Woof Woofs:readpaper::readpaper:

I would like to nominate Dancing with Wolves but purely on a technicality as I have managed to stay awake/interested long enough to see all of it it will get a bye ball:))):

Silverado and Wyatt Earp spring to mind as possibles (there is a common thread here somewhere). However, the one that stand out with a silly title, loads of big names and is generally awful is Shalako.

I have watched it a number of times hoping it would improve with repeated viewing it doesnt.

Frisco Kid with Gene Wilder & Harrison Ford is another awful movie. TCM seem to love showing it .


I second your nomination for "Dances With Weasels". I hated that movie the one and only time I tried to stomach watching it. I also think that Saving Private Ryan is also way overrated.

Destry Rides Again

Destry Rides Again

The one with Tom Mix, James Stewart, or Audie Murphy?

Hi

I'm amazed that i haven't put up a nomination before but I yhink the Oklahoma Kid has to be amongst the worst with a cast of James Cagney as the kid all three feet four of him with a twenty gallon hat and boots up to his neck and Bogart playing a Mexican villian the mind boggles.

Regards

Arthur.

Hi

I'm amazed that i haven't put up a nomination before but I yhink the Oklahoma Kid has to be amongst the worst with a cast of James Cagney as the kid all three feet four of him with a twenty gallon hat and boots up to his neck and Bogart playing a Mexican villian the mind boggles.

Regards

Arthur.

That was mine as well Arthur.
I am sure we've posted all this before on another thread,
but I can't seem to find it!

Hi Kieth

Thats right and the reason I hesitated before posting, but if you cant find it I doubt if anyone can.

Best regards

Arthur

Hi Kieth

Thats right and the reason I hesitated before posting, but if you cant find it I doubt if anyone can.

Best regards

Arthur

Arthur, thanks to you, just spurred me
to make another search,to find that thread.
I found it and there was also
Who Played The Worse Cowboy
and as they all overlap, for continuity merged them all into this one thread.


Here is my original post just to confirm my choice, and indeed also yours!

James Cagney, takes some beating!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c187/john-wayne/John%20Wayne/cagney.jpg

The irony being that Cagney absolutely loved the rural life, had a number of ranches and farms, and was a very good rider.

Cagney did a couple westerns in the 50's that were pretty good-Tribute to a Bad man & Run For Cover.

I watched "Shiloh Falls" the other night on DVD. It was made by London Films starring mostly English actors with American accents. If that wasn't bad enough, what started out as a father and son trying to catch a pack of murdering thieves turned into aliens possessing outlaws through some old Indian artifact. Just a plain horrible movie. Don't watch it.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c187/john-wayne/John%20Wayne/cagney.jpg
I don’t know….as a, let’s say, vertically challenged cowboy myself, I always liked to see people like Cagney, (and Alan Ladd and especially Audie Murphy) in Westerns! Shorter guys either have to get tough or be pushed around! So, from personal experience, I completely buy Cagney as a tough cowboy!!!!:laugh:

Sorry!

All silliness aside, one of the recent movies that goes on my list of worst westerns is "Seraphim Falls". Two very good actors in a really bad movie (IMO of course). That one was a big disappointment.

I'll give another vote for Shalako to go on a list of the worst westerns!

And I would add to the list Tall T, with Randolph Scott - I just hated that movie! Stupid plot; among other things it was annoying to see Scott's character getting romantically involved with a newlywed (and just as annoying to see her getting romantically involved with anyone but her new husband). Terrible!

Mrs. C :angel1:

Has anyone mentioned:

"The Legend Of The Lone Ranger" (1981)
with
Klinton Spilsbury (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0818812/)

That's right, he never made a movie before this and never made a movie after it.
Why?...Because he truly sucked in it.

Has anyone mentioned:

"The Legend Of The Lone Ranger" (1981)
with
Klinton Spilsbury (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0818812/)

That's right, he never made a movie before this and never made a movie after it.
Why?...Because he truly sucked in it.

Also his voice was dubbed, and they sued Clayton Moore to stop making appearances wearing the traditional Lone Ranger garb.

Anyway.... on an unrelated note, anyone excited for the new Lone Ranger movie due out next year?

I had forgotten all about Klinton Spilsbury and that movie! I think we have our winner (Or is it loser?) Yep! Good call Phantomstranger!

Has anyone mentioned:

"The Legend Of The Lone Ranger" (1981)
with
Klinton Spilsbury (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0818812/)

That's right, he never made a movie before this and never made a movie after it.
Why?...Because he truly sucked in it.

The actor who played Tonto ( Michael Horse)and native american did not know how to ride a horse. Thats irony.

one of the recent movies that goes on my list of worst westerns is "Seraphim Falls". Two very good actors in a really bad movie (IMO of course).

I'll second that motion ten thousand percent, especially the really bad movie part.

Tommy Lee Jones in THE MISSING.

Feminist revisionism delivered by men for the paycheck. This psychological and emotional deconstruction and emasculation of the male and of the western genre pissed me off.

I'd like to slap Tommy Lee Jones upside the head for lending himself to it.

Richard

THE worst Western of all time HAS got to be White Apache? I think its called with William Shatner playing the two brothers-one white-the other Indian.

The 2nd worst western is: A Town Called Hell-inspite of a good cast.