Duke's Filmography- Discussion

[ethanedwards]

Thanks to Elly,
This 'find' Careful Please ,also changes the history of
Duke's Filmography.
It has been long considered that
Brown of Harvard was the first movie where Duke was first visibly seen,
now this has changed, well at least for the time being.
If the production dates run true, which I feel sure they do,
then Careful Please now becomes that 'first' movie!

[arthurarnell]

Hi

Looking at it it certainly seems to be Duke in the fight scene another first added


Regards

Arthur

[Elly]

Hi Keith

this also casts doubt over when JW met Ford.

JW said Ford asked Hamilton to give him bit parts. If this is correct then

JW met Ford BEFORE 7 February 1926

and as I have it on good authority that these shorts were 2 months from start of production to release

JW met Ford Before December 1925

[ethanedwards]

Hi Keith

this also casts doubt over when JW met Ford.

JW said Ford asked Hamilton to give him bit parts. If this is correct then

JW met Ford BEFORE 7 February 1926

and as I have it on good authority that these shorts were 2 months from start of production to release

JW met Ford Before December 1925

Elly, I agree!

We all believed Duke met Ford on the Fox sets,
from your research, it could be, that he met him on the Hamilton sets.
However, did he indeed meet Ford, say about the time of
The Iron Horse etc.

Interesting stuff, all this!

[Elly]

Elly, I agree!

We all believed Duke met Ford on the Fox sets,
from your research, it could be, that he met him on the Hamilton sets.
However, did he indeed meet Ford, say about the time of
The Iron Horse etc.

Interesting stuff, all this!

Well you must be psychic

I just waded through the 2 hr 29 min US version of the Iron Horse looking for JW as my thinking was that could have been where JW met Ford and O'Brien and

there were sheep in the Iron horse and something about that and references to JW being hired to herd sheep was nagging at me.

It has taken almost 20 hours of stop start slow, ultra slow viewing and the result is I MAY have spotted JW.

I say MAY because I would like to look at the UK version first. (slightly better quality but shorter at 2hrs 12 minutes)

The Iron Horse was released 4 October 1925

BUT it premiered in New York 28 August 1924

http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/D...?s=&Movie=9950

So was JW in the movies before August 1924?

I am bothered by the fact that if this is correct why this film was never mentioned by JW or Ford.

I know Ford was a contrary old...... but he has cited the Iron Horse as his favourite film.

I am going to post a new topic specifically asking for references about when JW met Ford and see what we can turn up. As well as doing further library research myself.

[Elly]

Hi Keith

What you say about JW being in school etc is generally what is said in most of the books I have read. However we do know that whilst in school he was also making films

Brown of Harvard - Production started September 1925

Careful please - Production started December 1925

Bardelys - Production started March 1926

Great K&A train robbery _ Production started May 1926

All during JW Freshman year.

I have read a few time JW did part-time jobs to pay for his college. I have never once read for example JW worked at the seven-eleven to suppliment his scholarship.

Was this what was meant? part-time holiday, weekend or evening work in the movies? Any movies and any studios that would give him work?
After all of the four films mentioned above only the great K&A train robbery was produced by Fox.

I am now of the opinion that a lot of references are just clues and when you get a few together, read between the lines, make allowances for faded memories then you follow it up!

There were sheep in Mother Machree as well as geese.

Elly, from my research for what it's worth.
I read in all my books that Duke was very much in college
in and around 1924/25, and it was his meeting with Tom Mix,
in June 1926, that Mix invited the young footballers,
to the Fox Studios for summer jobs.!!
There is no mention of Duke being involved
in movie studios before this time!!

In that's the case, how did he get involved with Lloyd Hamilton,
if in fact this was earlier?
Unless of course he met Hamilton later in his series of comedies,
which would explain Careful Please in 1926.

So Iron Horse could prove correct.
I hope your hours of wading through this film are fruitful
as once again you could be altering history
and all the associated books will have to updated!!

Yes he did herd sheep, but in which film?

Mother Machree is the gaggle of geese, so where were the sheep?