The people who inhabit Hollyweird live in a whole different world, IMO. I just watched [part of] the movie that won the Oscar for best picture ("The Departed") and my cynicism about those clowns greatly increased. It starred Jack Nicholson, Matt Damon and the DiCaprio kid, among others, was directed by Martin Scorsese, and about every third word was the F-bomb. Naturally, the Oscar voters thought this was great entertainment. They have strange tastes, for sure..
As a military retiree, I'm certainly no stranger to profanity and have used it quite often myself but even in the military, I never heard the filthy language that is so common and accepted in Hollyweird. Do those jerks actually think people talk like that in the real world? It seems to be the norm in Hollyweird to heap praise and awards on those who produce films that no decent and ordinary person wants to sit through.
I'm about half convinced that Scorsese's Best Director Oscar was awarded out of a sense of guilt among his compatriots that he's never won one before and they thought it was his turn.
At any rate, if some of you want to watch this DVD at home, please don't have your children (or anyone else you respect) within hearing range of the TV. I watched about 20 minutes of the 151 minute film before becoming so disgusted I turned it off.
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Hi Jim
I was due to the fact that Scorsese didn't win a best director oscar in the past that he was given one for this movie.
There are three primary reasons why I have never watched this movie they are Scorsese, Nicholson and Dicaprio, you have now given me a 4th reason.
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Stumpy,
You'd think those idiots would catch on sooner or later.
They have to be losing a big market by putting out this kind of trash. Just another example of why the Duke and those who made films with him were so well loved. They respected the people they were making the films for. They had a sense of responsibility not only to their art but to those who would see it.
My wife and I were watching South Pacific the other night and asked ourselves the perennial question, "Why can't they make movies like this anymore?" I think the answer is because they don't have the talent or intellect to put one together.
That and they are afraid of how they would be obliged to react when the overwhelming positive public response would require them to make more films in a genre they despise.
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One gem of knowledge that I trawled from an autobiography of Robert De Niro was that only ONE Martin Scorsese has ever made a profi!!
That film was Goodfellas which although violent was well made.
The reason he is allowed to continue to direct is that studios and moguls seem to take some prestige in having a Scorese movie on their slate.
The likes of Casino, Mean Streets, Taxi Driver & Raging Bull are so depressing depraved & violent that you wouldnt want to see them.
The remake of Cape Fear was a pigs arse violent cartoon version of the original.
New York New York a musical was totally crap
Funny all those movies starred De Niro a seriously mixed up person!!
Aviator on Di Caprio as Howard Hughes was a major let down
Gangs for New York with Di Caprio I watched with reservations (extremely violent) but wasnt too bad but no way could you watch it in a family setting.
His latest Departed with Di Caprio was as Robbie says an oscar to a man in his early 60s with loads of health problems.
I notice he is slated to do a movie with Di Caprio as a young Teddy Roosevelt next year and a film about The Rolling Stones (no guesses for what it will be like).
In regard to violent movies Hollywood will learn the only way they respond through poor box takings that the kind of violent depraved movies they are making dont make money.
Look through a list of the 100 top grossing movies and you will see what I mean.
Mike
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I've liked all I've seen by Scorsese, even though always with some reservations. Taxi driver and Raging bull made great impact when I saw then in the beginning of 80's, rather young, can't say how I'd like them today.
The Aviator I watched recently and enjoyed it. It's as accurate portrait of Howard Hughes's life as can be expected from a movie. Getting over DiCaprio as Hughes did take some adjusting, but for most part I managed to accept him. The actress playing Katie Hepburn was brilliant.
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I too am against all the bad language that has been in movies for the last few decades. As you say none of the stars and directors of yesterday had to resort to it.
I am ashamed to admit that i do swear when things don't go as planed, but that does not to say mean that i like to be 'entertained' by it.
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Yeah, I guess as you start to get older, the profanity isn't as funny as it used to be. Even though I might throw out a colorful adjective once in a while, some of these current movies have just gotten ridiculous. There is no more family night watching a movie anymore unless its a kids movie and even some of them have some profanity.
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Aviator was fine as a movie but I wanted more. Mind you to get the full history would have taken at least a 7 hour movie!!!
Mike
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I totally agree with those on the profanity issue. The only place I have ever been to that that kind of language is normal, was when I was a Correctional Officer working for the State of Texas. Even then, much of the time, there is not that much foul language. I can't stand scorsese (SP?) and I tried to watch his gangs of new yourk movie and found it pretty disgusting as well as historically inaccurate (on how America and American society, was born)
I have also heard that the movie "Jarhead" is another that is so full of trash talk. I do not bother with spending any of my limited funds, on supporting that kind of trash.
Any you know, I have only seen two movies with the Duke, that had anykind of ""profanity" in them, and even then the words used; were not that all harsh.
Case in point: Big Jake, he used the word: "Bustard" and I cannot consider that word a foul word.
I think in True Grit, he said S.O.B. once.
I cannot remember if he used any in The Shootist-tho Ron Howard used at least one.
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Hi Ringo
The B word was used in the Shootist, Green Berets, Rooster Cogburn, Brannigan, True Grit, Cahill and The Cowboys.
SOB was used in McQ, Big Jake and True Grit, Chisum and The Cowboys.
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Robbie, you're amazing, do you keep notes or really remember that out of your head?!
About Aviator, it indeed ended suddenly, but it was already long and what would you have left out? I can't think of anything, rather added - something about the friendship with Cary Grant. If and when it had to be cut, I think it was a good choise to leave out the childhood and the later years of increasing madness.
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I guess I am in the minority here. I think The Departed was an awesome movie. I'll grant that the language was heavy on the ears, but the story kept me glued and the ending shocked me. I think DeCaprio is an excellent actor. If you doubt that, see him in the movie What's Eating Gilbert Grape. That movie wasn't all that, but his portrayal of a mentally handicapped boy was the best I've ever seen.
Scorcese, IMO, has made a few great films as well as some bad ones. All Directors make flops now and then. I wasn't a great fan of The Gangs Of New York but loved The Aviator and Casino along with Goodfellows ( in which Joe Pesci cussed something terrible...but what a great acting job!).
I guess I grew up around a few foul mouthed people, so I tend not to notice it in a movie unless one of my children are sitting there with me. But I never let language stop me from watching a movie. The acting and storyline dictate that.
I guess what I'm saying is, if you can tolerate the language, watch the movie. To tell you the truth, this is the fist time I heard the film knocked. Everyone I work with loved it.
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It's a cultural question too, I suppose. In UK and US movies are rated among other things based on the strongness of language. In Finland (and most of the rest of Europe?) that wouldn't normally be concidered at all, for any age ratings, nor nakedness. Children are only protected from seeing violence, sex and anything striking horror.
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It's a cultural question too, I suppose. In UK and US movies are rated among other things based on the strongness of language. In Finland (and most of the rest of Europe?) that wouldn't normally be concidered at all, for any age ratings, nor nakedness. Children are only protected from seeing violence, sex and anything striking horror.
You're right, of course, culture does have a lot to do with it.
I was raised in a cultural environment that just didn't accept the uttering of profanity in the hearing of children or decent women. Nowadays, that cultural prohibition has gone by the wayside.
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I'm starting to understand. I first time met that kind of morality in real life when I had a work project with Russians when I was 20. Most of them were 40-50+, and had rarely communicated with any foreigners. I just wanted to learn a few words you don't find in school books, but nobody would tell, except one guy - and he was strongly disapproved, and I was later told that he's not a decent fellow, I shouldn't listen to him. I was in the same time amused and felt that I'm treated like a kid in kindergarden.
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I'm starting to understand. I first time met that kind of morality in real life when I had a work project with Russians when I was 20. Most of them were 40-50+, and had rarely communicated with any foreigners. I just wanted to learn a few words you don't find in school books, but nobody would tell, except one guy - and he was strongly disapproved, and I was later told that he's not a decent fellow, I shouldn't listen to him. I was in the same time amused and felt that I'm treated like a kid in kindergarden.
Your experience sounds like that of most military people. Careerists such as myself visited many lands and were exposed to many cultures. Invariably, the first foreign phrases that a GI learns are dirty words, even though he may be ignorant of that fact until he ends up embarrassed.
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I agree with Dukefan1. I loved the Departed. I don't care if poeple swear when they are mad or in pain but its dreadfully dull to listen to the f-word uttered by inarticulte morons every third word. It doesn't upset when mobsters in movies swear. The violence bothered me more the first time I saw it. The second time I was prepared for it.
He may not have sworn on screen but I recall reading more than once how Wayne, Bond and Ford were way ahead of their time in swearing profusely in real life.
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Hi Ringo
The B word was used in the Shootist, Green Berets, Rooster Cogburn, Brannigan, True Grit, Cahill and The Cowboys.
SOB was used in McQ, Big Jake and True Grit, Chisum and The Cowboys.
Hi Robbie, thanks for this and I do stand corrected. ;-D I guess i'd better get busy and rewatch all of them again and hear the "expletivs" for myself. At any rate though, what little that is heard in his later movies, is nothing compared to what you hear today. Also on TV, the things that are allowed to be said or implied, can easily over shadow any from the Duke's movies-combined.
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