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    Classic Movie Westerns- High Noon (1952)

    HIGH NOON

    DIRECTED BY FRED ZIMMERMAN
    PRODUCED BY CARL FOREMAN/ STANLEY KRAMER (both uncredited)
    STANLEY KRAMER PRODUCTIONS/ UNITED ARTISTS





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    Plot Summary
    Will Kane on his wedding day, just as he's hanging up his Marsalls badge,
    is told that the man Frank Miller,
    that he sent to prison, some years ago,
    is arriving on the noon train, to exact is revenge.
    He attempts to leave town, but decides to stay, and confront the problem.
    However, when he asks the townspeople for the help,
    they back off, including his own wife,
    leaving Will to face the Frank Miller gang all alone!
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    Full Cast
    Gary Cooper ... Marshal Will Kane
    Thomas Mitchell ... Mayor Jonas Henderson
    Lloyd Bridges ... Deputy Marshal Harvey Pell
    Katy Jurado ... Helen Ramírez
    Grace Kelly ... Amy Fowler Kane
    Otto Kruger ... Judge Percy Mettrick
    Lon Chaney Jr. ... Martin Howe (as Lon Chaney)
    Harry Morgan ... Sam Fuller (as Henry Morgan)
    Ian MacDonald ... Frank Miller
    Eve McVeagh ... Mildred Fuller
    Morgan Farley ... Dr. Mahin, minister
    Harry Shannon ... Cooper
    Lee Van Cleef ... Jack Colby
    Robert J. Wilke ... Jim Pierce (as Robert Wilke)
    Sheb Wooley ... Ben Miller
    Tom London ... Sam
    Ted Stanhope ... Station Master
    Larry J. Blake ... Gillis, saloon owner
    William 'Bill' Phillips ... Barber
    Jeanne Blackford ... Mrs. Henderson
    James Millican ... Deputy Sheriff Herb Baker
    Cliff Clark ... Ed Weaver
    Ralph Reed ... Johnny, town boy
    William Newell ... Jimmy, drunk with eye patch
    Lucien Prival ... Joe, Ramirez Saloon bartender
    Guy Beach ... Fred, coffinmaker
    Howland Chamberlain ... Hotel clerk
    Virginia Christine ... Mrs. Simpson
    Jack Elam ... Charlie, drunk in jail
    Paul Dubov ... Scott
    Harry Harvey ... Coy
    Tim Graham ... Sawyer
    Nolan Leary ... Lewis
    Tom Greenway ... Ezra
    Dick Elliott ... Kibbee
    John Doucette ... Trumbull
    Lee Aaker ... Boy (uncredited)
    Roy Bucko ... Barfly (uncredited)
    Bob Carson ... Barfly (uncredited)
    Ben Corbett ... Townsman (uncredited)
    Virginia Farmer ... Mrs. Fletcher (uncredited)
    Chuck Hayward ... Townsman (uncredited)
    Chubby Johnson ... First old timer on hotel porch (uncredited)
    Merrill McCormick ... Fletcher (uncredited)
    Syd Saylor ... Second old timer on hotel porch (uncredited)

    Writers:
    John W. Cunningham (story)
    Carl Foreman (screenplay)

    Original Music by
    Dimitri Tiomkin

    Trivia
    * Director Fred Zinnemann said that the black smoke billowing from the train is a sign that the brakes were failing. He and the cameraman didn't know it at the time, and barely got out of the way. The camera tripod snagged itself on the track and fell over, smashing the camera, but the film survived and is in the movie.

    * This film was intended as an allegory in Hollywood for the failure of Hollywood people to stand up to the House Un-American Activities Committee during the McCarthy era.

    * Lee Van Cleef does not have a word of dialogue.

    * The pained expression on Kane's (Gary Cooper's) face throughout the film was not acting; Cooper had a bleeding ulcer at the time.

    * Bill Clinton's all-time favorite film. He watched it seventeen times during his two terms as President of the United States.

    * This movie is rumored to be able to be viewed in real time. Several shots of clocks are interspersed throughout the film and they correspond with actual minutes ticking by.

    * Lee Van Cleef's first film.

    * Although the picture takes place between 10:35 a.m. and 12:15 p.m.. slightly longer than the 84-minute running time, this was due to the reediting ordered by both Stanley Kramer and Fred Zinnemann, both of whom were unhappy over the first assemblage. Editor Elmo Williams experimented by using the final portion of the material shot and condensed it to exactly 60 minutes of footage timed to real-time in the film. Thus the film we see is Williams' experimental version, which met with both Kramer's and Zinnemann's approval.

    * Although John Wayne often complained that the film was "un-American", when he collected Gary Cooper's Best Actor Oscar on his behalf at the The 25th Annual Academy Awards (1953) (TV) he complained that he wasn't offered the part himself, so he could have made it more like one of his own westerns. He later teamed up with director Howard Hawks to make Rio Bravo (1959) as a right-wing response.

    * Gary Cooper, B movie producer Robert L. Lippert and screenwriter Carl Foreman were set to go into a production company together, after the success of this film. John Wayne and Ward Bond ordered Cooper to back out of the deal, as HUAC was preparing to "blacklist" Foreman. Shortly afterward, Lippert was made persona non grata by the Screen Actors Guild, which destroyed his independent production company.

    * Until his death, director Fred Zinnemann fought not to have this film colorized, saying that he designed the film in black and white and that it should be shown that way. He was unsuccessful, however. A colorized version was made by Ted Turner's television production company and was broadcast several times over his several cable outlets.

    * Producer Stanley Kramer first offered the leading role of Will Kane to Gregory Peck, who turned it down because he felt it was too similar to The Gunfighter (1950). Other actors who turned down the role of Will Kane included Charlton Heston, Marlon Brando and Montgomery Clift.

    * Writer 'Carl Foreman' was blacklisted by the House Un-American Activities Committee shortly after the film came out. Indeed Foreman had fled to England by the time the film was finished.

    * As 'Carl Foreman' 's script bore certain similarities to John Cunningham's story "The Tin Star", producer Stanley Kramer bought the rights to Cunningham's novel to protect the production against accusations of plagiarism.

    * Grace Kelly was cast after Stanley Kramer saw her in an off-Broadway play. He arranged a meeting with her and signed her on the spot.

    * Gary Cooper was reluctant to do his big fight scene with Lloyd Bridgesm as he was suffering from back pain at the time.

    * A comic relief scene involving town drunk Jack Elam and an entire subplot with James Brown playing another marshal didn't make it into the final cut.

    * Hadleyville is the name of the town. It is never spoken but is clearly visible on the train station wall. Hadleyville was also the name of the town in Gung Ho (1986) but was placed in the northeast U.S. In the west, there is a real Hadleyville, in Oregon.

    * In the fight scene involving Gary Cooper and Lloyd Bridges, Lloyd's son 'Beau Bridges' , then a youngster, was in the hayloft watching the filming. When water was thrown on his father after the fight, Beau could not help laughing, requiring the scene to be shot a second time. Cooper was not well and in pain but was gracious and understanding, according to Lloyd.

    * Gary Cooper didn't use a stunt double in the fight with Lloyd Bridges.

    * Gary Cooper was responsible for getting soon-to-be-graylisted actor Lloyd Bridges the role of Harvey Pell.

    * Katy Jurado says, "One year without seeing you" in Spanish, to which Cooper replies, "Yes, I know."

    * The wife of Sam, 'Harry Morgan' 's character, was named Mildred. In "M*A*S*H" (1972), Morgan's character, Col. Sherman Potter, also had a wife named Mildred.

    * Fred Zinnemann wanted a hot, stark look to the film. Cinematographer Floyd Crosby achieved this by not filtering the sky and having the prints made a few points lighter than normal.

    * Stanley Kramer removed 'Carl Foreman' 's credit as producer. They never spoke to each other again.

    * They used little to no makeup on the face of Gary Cooper, to show his lines and show how worried he was.

    * Took 28 days to shoot the film.

    * There were 10 days of rehearsal.

    * Fred Zinnemann's meticulous planning enabled him to make 400 shots in only four weeks.

    * The film is set in Hadleyville, population 650, in the New Mexico Territory, on a hot summer Sunday. The 37-star flag the judge removes as he prepares to flee shows that the time frame is sometime between Nebraska's admission as the 37th state on March 1, 1867 and Colorado's admission as the 38th state on August 1, 1876.

    * The picture takes place between 10:35 a.m. to 12:15 p.m. slightly longer than the 84 minute running time.

    * They only took between 1-3 takes per scene.

    * Between takes Gary Cooper would chat with the crew or snooze underneath a tree.

    * The character played by Gary Cooper was originally named Will Doane. The name was changed to Will Kane because co-star Katy Jurado had difficulty pronouncing the name Will Doane.

    * "Do Not Forsake Me, Oh, My Darlin'" was the first Oscar-winning song from a non-musical film.

    * Much of the film was filmed in the gold rush town of Columbia, CA. Today it is a state park right by Sonora on Highway 49.

    * Henry Fonda was prevented from accepting the role of Will Kane because he had been graylisted from Hollywood due to his political activism, forcing him to act exclusively on the stage from 1947 to 1955.

    * In 2007, the American Film Institute ranked this as the #27 Greatest Movie of All Time.

    * John Wayne strongly disliked this movie because he knew it was an allegory for blacklisting, which he and his friend Ward Bond had actively supported. Twenty years later he was still criticizing it in his controversial interview with Playboy magazine in May 1971. Inventing a scene that was never in the movie, he claimed Cooper had thrown his marshal's badge to the ground and stepped on it. He also stated he would never regret having driven the blacklisted screenwriter Carl Foreman out of Hollywood.

    Goofs
    * Continuity: In the church scene a young girl is still in the church next to her mother after all the children have been "dismissed"; in the very next shot she is not there.

    * Continuity: When Kane is in his office and puts his head down on his desk, he did not have a badge on when his head went down, but he has a badge when his head comes up.

    * Continuity: While walking around in the city looking for help, Will Kane's vest alternately opens and closes between cuts.

    * Continuity: Amy's luggage has been loaded on to the train, which we see pull off without any unloading, but it reappears on the cart in the final scene.

    * Continuity: When Will Kane goes to visit Martin Howe, the house door has a different arrangement of panels on the outside from the inside.

    * Anachronisms: In the climactic crane shot when Kane is alone in the town square, modern day Los Angeles is clearly visible in the skyline.

    * Continuity: Due to weather problems, the climactic crane shot at "high noon" was actually taken at 3pm, thus the shadows are all wrong.

    * Continuity: When Kane enters Ramirez's hotel room, he drops his hat on a chair to his left. Next shot he holds his hat in both hands.

    * Continuity: When Kane throws his badge on the ground at the end of the movie, a star from a previous take can be clearly seen immediately behind his left boot.

    * Continuity: When the mayor makes his speech in church there are children sitting in the pews with the adults. Then the children disappear, but they're back in the next shot.

    * Factual errors: Once the showdown began, the first time Kane is fired upon by an off screen gunman, the bullet strikes the side of a barn about a foot over his left shoulder. At the same time Kane grabs his upper left arm as if he was wounded. His shirt from that point on is torn as if damaged by a bullet. The ballistics involved for that scenario just doesn't work, the bullet would have had to bounce off Kane's arm in an impossible trajectory.

    * Continuity: SPOILER: After Amy shoots one of the bad guys in the back there is a shot of Will Kane looking out a window holding his gun in his left hand. There is an immediate cut to a shot of him holding the gun in his right hand. The left-handed shot appears to have been done to make the composition of the shot more dramatic.

    * Anachronisms: SPOILER: In the climactic gunfight, after Marshal Kane has shot Ben Miller, we see Kane running between buildings into a back alley area off the main street of town. He stops by a tree and looks back to see if he is being pursued. As he sets off again, we see the back of a brick building with an air conditioning unit mounted on the outside of a second storey window.

    Filming Locations
    Burbank, California, USA
    Columbia State Historic Park - 22708 Broadway, Columbia, California, USA
    Columbia, California, USA
    Columbia/Warner Bros. Ranch - 411 N. Hollywood Way, Burbank, California, USA
    (studio)
    Iverson Ranch, Chatsworth, Los Angeles, California, USA
    (opening sequence)
    Main Street, Columbia State Historic Park - 22708 Broadway, Columbia, California, USA
    Melody Ranch - 24715 Oak Creek Avenue, Newhall, California, USA
    Modesto, California, USA
    Newhall, California, USA
    Railtown 1897 State Historical Park, Jamestown, California, USA
    Railtown, California, USA
    Sierra Railroad, California, USA (rail scenes)
    St Joseph's Catholic Church, Gardner Avenue, Tuolumne City, California, USA (church)
    Tuolumne City, California, USA
    Warnerville, California, USA (rail station)
    Western Street, Warner Brothers Burbank Studios - 4000 Warner Boulevard, Burbank, California, USA
    Wilson House, Main Street, Columbia State Historic Park - 22708 Broadway, Columbia, California, USA
    (Wilson / McConnell House)

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    Re: Classic Western Movies- High Noon (1952)

    After Duke's movies, I think this is one of best classic westerns ever made.
    I know Duke didn't like it, because of it's moral stand, but I I did.

    Duke said:-
    High Noon, was the most un-American thing I've ever seen,
    in my whole life.... I'll never regret having helped run Carl Foreman(Screenwriter), out of the country.
    * John Wayne strongly disliked this movie because he knew it was an allegory for blacklisting, which he and his friend Ward Bond had actively supported. Twenty years later he was still criticizing it in his controversial interview with Playboy magazine in May 1971. Inventing a scene that was never in the movie, he claimed Cooper had thrown his marshal's badge to the ground and stepped on it. He also stated he would never regret having driven the blacklisted screenwriter Carl Foreman out of Hollywood.

    * Although John Wayne often complained that the film was "un-American", when he collected Gary Cooper's Best Actor Oscar on his behalf at the The 25th Annual Academy Awards (1953) (TV) he complained that he wasn't offered the part himself, so he could have made it more like one of his own westerns. He later teamed up with director Howard Hawks to make Rio Bravo (1959) as a right-wing response.
    High Noon, stands head and shoulders above many westerns made.
    Gary Cooper was perfect in this role, and the suspense
    of filming it in almost real time, as the clock ticked away,
    added to the reality of the film.

    The theme song 'Do Not Forsake Me' sang by Tex Ritter,
    and Frankie Laine, on disc,
    was the first Oscar-winning song from a non-musical film
    and goes down as one of the greatest western movie songs ever written.



    See also:-


    Western Screen Legends- Gary Cooper
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    Re: Classic Movie Westerns- High Noon (1952)

    Do you know that it is going to be a new release of this movie this summer (June, 10) with new transfer (I can't imagine what they can do more the previos collector;s edition was pretty good) and some new documentaries.
    But some material disregarding Duke and Hawks was cut from it. It can be seen here
    http://insidehighnoon.com/video.html
    More information about upcoming release at Amazon.
    http://www.amazon.com/High-Noon-Two-...2823969&sr=8-2
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    Re: Classic Movie Westerns- High Noon (1952)

    High Noon was the first Western movie, I ever saw! I liked it as a child, but, maybe, I have seen it too often...

    Today I prefer John Wayne in Rio Bravo as a more professionel lawman than Sheriff Caine played by Gary Cooper, who ran around through the town, to ask people, who are not professionals with their gun for their help.

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    Re: Classic Movie Westerns- High Noon (1952)

    I watch this movie when I'm in some kind of the fix and usually feel better.
    The first time I saw it was on Russian TV in colorized version and I thought that the movie is original in color, I like it very much and was anxios to see it again and to purchase the DVD with it. So I remembered that I have seen DVD with collector edition in DVD store at Helsinki so I asked my brother to buy it for me and found that movie is black and white but like it even more. Now I'm planning to buy this new edition of High Noon sometimes later this year, it includes all that was in old edition but with new transfer and new documentaries.
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    Oh, I´ve never seen a colorized version of High Noon! - But I have some colorized german versions of original black & white John Wayne movies, like "Sands of Iwo Jima", "Rio Grande", "Red River", "The Fighting Seabeas" and some more...

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    Great Classic Western Film, and Cooper was Perfect for The Part, and I watch it every time that I can !
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    Re: Classic Movie Westerns- High Noon (1952)

    The jury is still out on this one for me. Right now it's not a candidate for being in my collection. However, I maybe slowly coming around to it and I seem to like it more and more everytime I get to see it. ;-))
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    This movie was a great example of human nature. Our Founding Fathers had as much trouble raising a army to fight. A majority of the people didn't have the nerve.

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    I'll state the obvious or maybe not so obvious. I really liked Grace Kelly in this movie. Her innocence in this movie was perfect for the role. Plus, wow, she was not bad to look at.

    While I think this is a good western, and I own the special edition on DVD. I don't consider it a great western, especially next to Duke's finest western's.

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    Re: Classic Western Movies- High Noon (1952)

    I still like to watch this Film when it is on T.V.
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    Re: Classic Western Movies- High Noon (1952)

    I prefer Rio Bravo to High Noon, but make no mistake about it this IS a great western. From the opening beats of the song "Do Not Forsake Me" as the outlaws assemble it builds itself into a great character study.
    There are other western movies I will watch if scheduled head to head with High Noon, but if this is on the schedule on it's own, I always settle in to be ENTERTRAINED and that is exactly what it does. Never tire of watching it.

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    P.S On a trivia note, and one that I did not see mentioned in the above list. Actor John Doucette is seen in TWO roles.
    First he is seen as a member of the outlaw gang assembling to meet the train, and is the outlaw who asks the station master if the train is on time.
    He is also seen in the discussion in the church as one who voices his support for the Marshall.

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    Re: Classic Western Movies- High Noon (1952)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan View Post
    P.S On a trivia note, and one that I did not see mentioned in the above list. Actor John Doucette is seen in TWO roles.
    First he is seen as a member of the outlaw gang assembling to meet the train, and is the outlaw who asks the station master if the train is on time.
    He is also seen in the discussion in the church as one who voices his support for the Marshall.

    From the opening review.

    Dick Elliott ... Kibbee
    John Doucette ... Trumbull
    Lee Aaker ... Boy (uncredited)
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    Re: Classic Western Movies- High Noon (1952)

    This is one of my all time favorite movies. I hate that it's being remade.

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